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  • Posted By: HyperD @ 10/04/2008 11:06:52 AM

    The reasoning behind some people???s ABSURD logic that since Palin didn't screw it, then she did well is nothing but MEDIOCRE. She definitely DID NOT DO GOOD ENOUGH and DID NOT PASS the VP standard TEST last night, period! The debate reassured my decision to vote for the Obama/Biden ticket. I am more confident now that Obama has the right partner. Biden definitely won the debate, he blasted and lectured Palin. Biden overshadowed her and looked much more knowledgeable about all the issues discussed. Just because she ???survived??? doesn???t mean she did well. Not at all. She looked like a college student and just managed to dodge the questions, generalize and smile. She was able to appear as if she knew about the issues by giving non-answers, reciting memorized answers, and winking to the audience (very professional, huh?). I???m sorry Sen. McCain but she is definitely not prepared to be a VP. On the other hand Joe Biden, is more than prepared, will provide the experience to back Obama's good judgment, and will be a great VP. Period!

  • Posted By: HyperD @ 10/04/2008 11:05:39 AM

    The reasoning behind some people???s ABSURD logic that since Palin didn't screw it, then she did well is nothing but MEDIOCRE. She definitely DID NOT DO GOOD ENOUGH and DID NOT PASS the VP standard TEST last night, period! The debate reassured my decision to vote for the Obama/Biden ticket. I am more confident now that Obama has the right partner. Biden definitely won the debate, he blasted and lectured Palin. Biden overshadowed her and looked much more knowledgeable about all the issues discussed. Just because she ???survived??? doesn???t mean she did well. Not at all. She looked like a college student and just managed to dodge the questions, generalize and smile. She was able to appear as if she knew about the issues by giving non-answers, reciting memorized answers, and winking to the audience (very professional, huh?). I???m sorry Sen. McCain but she is definitely not prepared to be a VP. On the other hand Joe Biden, is more than prepared, will provide the experience to back Obama's good judgment, and will be a great VP.

  • Posted By: HyperD @ 10/04/2008 11:04:50 AM

    The reasoning behind some people???s ABSURD logic that since Palin didn't screw it, then she did well is nothing but MEDIOCRE. She definitely DID NOT DO GOOD ENOUGH and DID NOT PASS the VP standard TEST last night, period! The debate reassured my decision to vote for the Obama/Biden ticket. I am more confident now that Obama has the right partner. Biden definitely won the debate, he blasted and lectured Palin. Biden overshadowed her and looked much more knowledgeable about all the issues discussed. Just because she ???survived??? doesn???t mean she did well. Not at all. She looked like a college student and just managed to dodge the questions, generalize and smile. She was able to appear as if she knew about the issues by giving non-answers, reciting memorized answers, and winking to the audience (very professional, huh?). I???m sorry Sen. McCain but she is definitely not prepared to be a VP. On the other hand Joe Biden, is more than prepared, will provide the experience to back Obama's good judgment, and will be a great VP.

  • Posted By: Johnny1967 @ 10/04/2008 1:33:40 AM

    I am so happy that Palin is now starting to use the Fox Network, Hannity, etc. to spin her candadacy. It will give Democrats a chance to once again show that logical thought will overcome dishonest spin.

    Palin is simply not qualified to be President or Vice President. By the way, these are very serious positions. The entire country will be affected. She plainly does not have the education, intelligence, or leadership ability for the job. Yet, the Right Wing media (Fox et al) are going to sell her as something that she is not. They will also continue whith their dishonest smear against Obama and Biden.

    Hopefully, with Obamas victory, the dishonest spin will stop and logical thinking and arguments will be more utilized. The Republican Party has really did a disservice to its members by associating themselves with these dishonest tactics. It is certainly a direct result of the Republicans damaged brand.

    My hope is that after this election... should the Democrats win... the Republicans will completely dissassociate themselves with those dishonest media outlets. Or those news outlets will be more honest with their viewers and listeners.

    It is kind of scary because those dishonest news outlets may still have some sway. Perhaps a lot of voters are swayed by the propaganda. Yes, Democrats may certainly lose if they do not get out and vote. But I hope not... and I do not think Democrats will lose.

    Regardless, I love the fact that McCain and Palin are going to those news outlets to spin their story. It will make the Democrats victory that much more meaningful.

    • Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/04/2008 9:48:30 AM

      I agree, these are serious positions, so I don't blame her. Actually, it's the only place she can get a fair break. Weasel Charlie Gibson's interview of her was hateful and condescending, while he puckered up and kissed Obama's @ss for an hour in his interview with him. Couric, Weasel's partner, hates her as much as he does. It's no secret that NBC, CBS and ABC are in the tank for Obama, don't begrudge the fact that there's an actual, non-liberal news entity out there that wants McCain and Palin.

  • Posted By: pumapurr @ 10/03/2008 4:45:45 PM

    Obamabots, just be thankful you won't have to see Palin debate Obama. Imagine the humiliation the Thrilla from Wasilla would deal out to Captain MumbleMouth. But as it is, you'll get plenty of humiliation on Nov.5. But you need not! There's still time to come on over:

    Change your mind. Change your vote. Change... yourself. Yes you can. It's okay, really!

    • Posted By: Hannah B @ 10/03/2008 5:09:33 PM

      OK, yup yer right! You keep believing that. I like my right wing best when its delusional.

      • Posted By: pumapurr @ 10/03/2008 10:42:07 PM

        "Okay", but I've called the last SIX elections in a row. Now you think about that, kiddie. When have you EVER been right? Just trying to teach you a lesson grasshopper, so you don't cry too much on Nov. 5. Unless... you want to? Maybe that's what it's all about. Okay, then cry it out kid, it's good for you. You will survive. But you'll be a little smarter.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 10/03/2008 6:00:49 PM

        Ha ha. Very telling.

  • Posted By: riverscapes @ 10/03/2008 9:58:56 PM

    Palin's attempt at portraying herself as just another hockey mom from middle America does not play well after one sees the photo shoot of her next to her personal airplane in Vogue Magazine. I know a few hockey moms, and none of them own their own airplane. She is just another wealthy Republican pretending, during election season, to care about those of us who really are middle America and have to struggle to make car payments...not airplane payments. She is not sincere about anything. Just trying to make us believe she is a uncomplicated, caring, friendly hick from Alaska. Don't kid yourself....she is an egotistical, aggressive and self-aggrandizing power monger.

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/03/2008 9:05:13 PM

    The Bush Depression


    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide the largest morgage bank in the world,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. Also, Fanny and Freddy Mae which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash and we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before.

    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.

    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He either didn't care or didn't realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime.
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit.Bush created a national debt larger then the first 42 presidents combined
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why isnt obama 25 points ahead

    The chairman of McCains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite. Which means he is trying to sell you personality instead of results.

    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .

    31 states are voting now, dont wait
    Elect Obama Biden 2008





    Check out this video of sarah palins interview before you vote



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4i

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/03/2008 9:05:02 PM

    The Bush Depression


    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide the largest morgage bank in the world,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. Also, Fanny and Freddy Mae which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash and we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before.

    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.

    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He either didn't care or didn't realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime.
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit.Bush created a national debt larger then the first 42 presidents combined
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why isnt obama 25 points ahead

    The chairman of McCains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite. Which means he is trying to sell you personality instead of results.

    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .

    31 states are voting now, dont wait
    Elect Obama Biden 2008





    Check out this video of sarah palins interview before you vote



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4i

  • Posted By: mrzoid @ 10/03/2008 5:22:52 PM

    I have a feeling that if any of you decide to go to a kids soccer game tommorow, and ask a parent about how they feel about the economy, you will get this response, "What? Who the hell are you and what are you doing here? Im trying to watch my kids game here a-hole!". I think there would be anomosity in their voice, not fear....... unless you're black..... then yeah, probably fear.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 10/03/2008 9:02:38 PM

      Playing the race card already?

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 10/03/2008 8:20:53 PM

    Right now, the polls indicate that a whole lot of the people are being fooled a whole lot of the time.

    The current financial bailout crisis has propelled Barack Obama back into a substantial lead over John McCain-- which is astonishing in view of which man and which party has had the most to do with bringing on this crisis.
    It raises the question: Do facts matter? Or is Obama's rhetoric and the media's spin enough to make facts irrelevant?

    Fact Number One: It was liberal Democrats, led by Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, who for years-- including the present year-- denied that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taking big risks that could lead to a financial crisis.

    It was Senator Dodd, Congressman Frank and other liberal Democrats who for years refused requests from the Bush administration to set up an agency to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    It was liberal Democrats, again led by Dodd and Frank, who for years pushed for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans, which are at the heart of today's financial crisis.

    Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury, five years ago.

    Yet, today, what are we hearing? That it was the Bush administration "right-wing ideology" of "de-regulation" that set the stage for the financial crisis. Do facts matter?

    We also hear that it is the free market that is to blame. But the facts show that it was the government that pressured financial institutions in general to lend to subprime borrowers, with such things as the Community Reinvestment Act and, later, threats of legal action by then Attorney General Janet Reno if the feds did not like the statistics on who was getting loans and who wasn't.

    Is that the free market? Or do facts not matter?

    Then there is the question of being against the "greed" of CEOs and for "the people." Franklin Raines made $90 million while he was head of Fannie Mae and mismanaging that institution into crisis.

    http://townhall.com/Columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/03/do_facts_matter

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 10/03/2008 8:19:30 PM

    Senator Joe Biden lied at least 14 times during the vice presidential debate according to those counting at John McCain???s presidential headquarters.

    Tucker Bounds, a spokesman from GOP presidential candidate John McCain???s campaign said in a statement, ???Joe Biden graduated from his trademark verbal gaffe to outright lie in tonight???s debate.???

    McCain???s blogger-in-chief Michael Goldfarb chronicled the 14 lies HERE.

    On the foreign policy front, Biden challenged Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin when she said Barack Obama???s pledge to meet with any foreign leaders, including Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, without precondition ???goes beyond naivete and goes beyond poor judgment.???

    Biden lectured Palin, ???That's just simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say he'd sit down with Ahmadinejad.??? During the YouTube Democratic primary debate last July Obama was asked if he would meet the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea without ???precondition??? during his first year in office.

    ???I would,??? he replied.

    Biden appeared to attack Obama for making that very statement in August 2007. While Biden was challenging Obama for the Democratic nomination for president Biden said he would not support such a pledge. ???Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president???? he said in an appearance at the National Press Club. ???Absolutely positively no."

    Five of the lies Biden told were related to tax and energy votes. During the debate Biden adamantly claimed McCain voted the same way as Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama did on a vote to raise taxes on those making $42,000 a year. The legislative record shows McCain was not present in the Senate for either of those votes and is recorded as ???not voting.???

    The RNC also takes issue with Biden???s assessment Palin supports a ???windfall profits tax??? and Biden???s claim McCain voted against alternative energy 23 times. The independent Factcheck.org has previously stated when Obama and other Democrats made similar charges about the 23 votes ???they???re overstating the case.???

    The other lies detailed by Goldfarb were related to Biden???s characterization of McCain???s healthcare plan, stances on bank deregulation and the $700 billion financial bailout that recently passed the Senate.

    http://townhall.com/Columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/10/03/biden_tells_14_lies_during_vp_debate

  • Posted By: quasqueton @ 10/03/2008 8:15:43 PM

    You mean the Democrats? Fiscal mess is, and you know it,. Vysomething. Everyone has to have a house, whether you can afford it or not. Democrat plan. So - Fannie & Freddie did just that. And the CEO's made a gazillion dollars. Plague on both your houses & senates.

  • Posted By: choonzer @ 10/03/2008 11:36:17 AM

    Here's another fact completely ignored by Palin:

    It's "nu-cle-ar," not "nu-cu-lar."

    If you're main objective is to distance yourself from Bush, you problably shouldn't massacre the same words he does.

    • Posted By: EE7011 @ 10/03/2008 1:35:46 PM

      Choonzer thank you for pointing this out! I always assumed Bush does it on purpose because after eight years in office one would think someone would have briefed him on his error, but when Palin pronounced the world incorrectly I thought this is rediculous!

      • Posted By: fastMJ @ 10/03/2008 1:46:13 PM

        Enter Your CommentNot to mention her severe botching of Iran and Iraq. The countries are pronouced ee-ron and ee-rock not eye-ran and eye-rack. I swear I would vote against Bush or Palin for no other reason than their consitently ignorant pronunciations. It's a symbol of their general stupditiy and proves they are unable to absorb facts and knowledge from the world around them.

        • Posted By: Hannah B @ 10/03/2008 3:53:55 PM

          In order to correct something, they've got to admit they were wrong. If the past 7-5/6 yearshasn't taught us anything its that they will NEVER admit they were wrong about ANYTHING!!!!!

          • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/03/2008 7:01:51 PM

            You mean like the fiscal mess your party has gotten us into? No admission about their part in this from you or them, right?

      • Posted By: fastMJ @ 10/03/2008 1:45:55 PM

        Not to mention her severe botching of Iran and Iraq. The countries are pronouced ee-ron and ee-rock not eye-ran and eye-rack. I swear I would vote against Bush or Palin for no other reason than their consitently ignorant pronunciations. It's a symbol of their general stupditiy and proves they are unable to absorb facts and knowledge from the world around them.

      • Posted By: fastMJ @ 10/03/2008 1:45:22 PM

        Not to mention her severe botching of Iran and Iraq. The countries are pronouced ee-ron and ee-rock not eye-ran and eye-rack. I swear I would vote against Bush or Palin for no other reason than their consitently ignorant pronunciations. It's a symbol of their general stupditiy and proves they are unable to absorb facts and knowledge from the world around them.

  • Posted By: getAgripUSA @ 10/03/2008 1:03:07 PM

    If only the moderator couldve kept the "gov" on topic, we may have had an actual debate.
    Seriously, did McCain get his medication mixed up when he picked this woman? And remember, the guy is 70+ years old, he does take medication. Not that age is any barrier when it comes to ruling the most powerful nation, working massively long hours (unless you're Bush), and making clear decisions. Nixon anybody?
    She simply is out of her league, and she knows it.
    Disgraceful.
    If McCain gets up Palin will be the face of his stupidity, the face of a strategists mastery. And the face of the American people's stupidity if McCain's health fails him.

    • Posted By: Joe six pack @ 10/03/2008 2:56:35 PM

      At Least Palin didn't get us into this mess, she's left with the task of cleaning it up. At this point, I'd rather have a green candidate, than a career politian who is a part of the problem in Washington. Everyone in America should be screaming for a reformer, someone not tained by the corruption of Washingtion, who will fight against the status quo. I don't think anyone running in this election is even worthy to be running, the country's a mess and capital hill couldn't care less. All incumbents should go, everyone. New fresh faces should fill the seats on captial hill.

      • Posted By: Hannah B @ 10/03/2008 3:34:31 PM

        McCain not tainted by the corruption of Washington? Not hardly, remember in 1987 a little incident called the Keating 5? A reformer? Who's economic adviser Phil Gramm, lobbyist for UBS who worked for banking deregulation. Whose wife, working in the Bush administration, helped create the Enron loophole and then went to work at, who else, ENRON!
        McCain may be claiming to be a reformer, but is soooo deregulation-mad that he's scary.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 10/03/2008 6:09:20 PM

          http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/obama_sidesteps_reform_in_illi.html

          Obama Sidesteps Reform in Illinois

          For those of you who still cling to the fantasy that Barack Obama is "about change," you should note how he, or his minions, want nothing to do with reforming politics in Illinois, perhaps the most corrupt state in the Union.

          "Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has fought for open and honest government," proclaims his campaign Web site. Apparently, no longer. When the Democratic presidential candidate--now his party's industrial-strength voice for our deliverance from political corruption everywhere--was asked by a reformer if he would help get his political mentor back home to get off the dime and move the most minimal of state ethics legislation toward passage, the Obama campaign sent word back that amounted to a "no."

          In response, Obama's campaign issued an oozy statement reaffirming Obama's alleged commitment to reform, while getting no more specific than urging everyone to get together and love one another right now. What Canary was asking Obama for wasn't all that much. Maybe a 30-second phone call to back up his usual pap of, "Look, ah, I've, ah, always been for, ah, reform." For most people, the reform that we're talking about is so basic that they might ask, "You mean it's not illegal already?"

          Jones now is the only one standing in the way of the reform, with Obama abetting.

          Here's another example of how Obama has revealed himself to be a creature of the Chicago machine. Who can forget his silence when he could have affirmed his reformer credentials by endorsing Democrat Forrest Claypool over machine creature Todd Stroger as Cook County Board president? When things got too hot, Obama severed his ties from his racially inflammatory pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. That's not too hard; you can always find another pastor.

        • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/03/2008 6:05:53 PM

          Right, like a good lib, sidestep the issue and take us back to 1987 for something McCain was found innocent of. But of course, you find him guilty in the court of Hannah. BTW, I don't see you laying any blame on the real culprits of this economic mess, Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd, and Barney Frank. George Bush and John McCain tried to create legislation to stop it five years ago, buy your party stopped it!

    • Posted By: Joe six pack @ 10/03/2008 2:41:02 PM

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  • Posted By: thorninurside @ 10/03/2008 1:22:18 PM

    I never seriously intended to vote for McCain but after last night's debacle I'm ready to ring doorbells for Obama. Her pseudo-folksy "You betchas" and cutesy winks almost caused me to throw up. What could McCain have been thinking....or was he thinking at all ? God help us if we have to live with the danger of this woman in the Oval Office.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 10/03/2008 6:06:31 PM

      Heaven help us if the a member of the proletariate actually makes it into a position of power. What will all those Washington insiders do if Palin came in and cleaned house. Gasp.....we might actually have real reform! Not just talk, but real reform.

      What has Obama done in the name of reform in Illinois?

  • Posted By: whyiask @ 10/03/2008 1:34:42 PM

    It's the Emperor's New Clothes to pretend that Governor Palin belonged on the national stage as a candidate on a ticket that we are expected to vote on. It makes all other decisions of John McCain's suspect. Where is his judgement?

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 10/03/2008 6:04:45 PM

      Where was Obama's great judgment picking Biden?
      30 years in the Senate and Palin with 2 years as Governor held her own....that doesn't say a whole lot for Biden or Obama's judgment for picking him.

  • Posted By: wbpjr001 @ 10/03/2008 2:23:42 PM

    your take on Biden's comments are so skewed. When Biden said "McCain voted exacty the same as McCain on Iraq"", us less sophisticated folk knew what he meant.. Are you factcheckers really that poor at reading and speech comprehension. Even a third grader could deduce what Biden meant, and factually, he was correct - you just did not get the context. McCain did in fact vote agains troop funding, as did Obama. Two totally diffferent bills, but Biden di go to extreme lengths to make that clear. Who's fact chec king the fact checkers. Is Newsweek trying to be "fair and balanced". If so, then I, as part of their core demo, can no longer trust this paper to be objective. Selling out the facts to appeal to a wider audience does not broaden the appeal, it just reminds us of everything that's wrong with news these days.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 10/03/2008 6:03:10 PM

      Anytime Factcheck says anything to challenge the Cognitive Dissonance of the Obamaphiles, you guys scream factcheck the factcheckers.....hey guess what....the factcheckers aren't perfect and they actually skew things more positive for Obama than McCain....

  • Posted By: Hannah B @ 10/03/2008 4:02:57 PM

    I can't believe that no one has mentioned the most frightening moment of the whole debate. Sarah Palin wants to extend the job of VP beyond that done by Cheney. Doesn't anyone have a problem with that? I find it impossible to put more power into the hands of Palin when she is even LESS qualified than Cheney... MORE power is that very LAST thing we should be giving this woman!!!!!

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 10/03/2008 6:01:26 PM

      Obama is less qualified than Palin...why give him that much power.

    • Posted By: mrzoid @ 10/03/2008 4:27:22 PM

      I thought that was her one collosal blunder; her advisors should have warned her to disagree with anything even related to Cheney, and she flatly embraced it. That was a big mistake, which Biden pounced on.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 10/03/2008 5:01:02 PM

    Dunno. Joes Constituional gaffes were unforgivable,as this man has spent decades in the Senate and should know better [ VP tiebreakers and Article I responsibilities]. HEZBOLLAH was never ''kicked out of South Lebanon''. Indeed,it never left.
    The ''3.4 million children''under SCHIP expansion that ''McCain voted against''. Except for one detail. McCain and several Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats opposed the bill as it placed the ceiling at people making:

    250,000$ per year.

    The same people Biden and Obama call ''rich''.



    The Biden ''ropeline coal gaffe''has been replayed on YOU TUBE,and yes, Joes comments are in full context.

    More dishonesty on the ''tax breaks for oil companies''. As FACTCHECK helpfully observed,Biden and Obamas attacks were ''misleading'' as the tax break went for all American businesses.Not simply ''oil companies''.

    The plan now for the legacy media,is to first acknowlage that the debate went better than planned,and then corral resources in order to wreck her surviving chances. We will fully expect more ''troopergate''stories to clog the place up.[while not mentioning in one place on these pages that Joe Bidens brother and son are under investigation and lawsuit for fraud], pushing the ''non-regulatory''angle in the wake of the bailout in the ''What Happened And Why"" meme [while pointedly ignoring Democrats Frank and Dodds ,even Bidens,role in the disaster], and small beer stuff that NEWSWEAK is already circulating about Palin [size and cost of home[but not Bidens], self-financial worth [But not Bidens], parents as sometime ''rat killers''[but not Bidens lobbyist sons role in the Bankruptcy Bill], fluteplaying,SNL,and Why Leftwinged San Franciscans Are No Longer Buying A Chilean Wine Called ''Palin'',which predates her very political career [while saying nothing on the Jim Jones-like singalong of brainwashed kids down the coast in LA who chant: ''Obama Will Lead Us,And We Will Follow''].

    Another day,another dig at NEWSWEAK.

  • Posted By: benluclar @ 10/03/2008 1:40:45 PM

    Watching Joe Biden steppin-fetchit last night was very sad indeed.
    What a waste of a good man and a dedicated statesman.
    Second fiddle to a big nothing, spewing translations for the RAP STAR no one can interpret alone.
    Very, very sad.

    • Posted By: tmitch10 @ 10/03/2008 1:57:18 PM

      How in the world are you gonna defend yourself from the "Racism" claim with the "RAP STAR" comment.

      Would that make McCain a tribute band star?

      • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 10/03/2008 2:16:11 PM

        The problem is that it seems the only people who appear to not have to defend themselves from the racism claim are the actual racist. Myself, I'm sick and tired of having to defend myself and being accused of being a racist when Chris Rocks and for that matter ANY black comedians entire stand-up routine is based off of making fun of white people in general. Sick of being called a racist for speaking on views backed by facts and statistics and tired of anyone who is not white not having to account for their words in which 99% would reflect a racist white person had a white person said them.

        You know, if you took Hope, Change, More of the same, and accusations of racism out of the speeches and retoric, all you'd have left would be..... I'm barack Obama, and Im running for president of the United States.

        • Posted By: troyola @ 10/03/2008 4:02:31 PM

          one thing has nothing to do with another. if u are accused of being a racist than ur actions or statements brought that on. it has nothing to do with black comedians. or obama

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