Palin Reignites The Culture War

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  • Posted By: treetopflyer @ 10/04/2008 9:05:52 PM

    Probably what's most telling is how the McCain campaign literally seems to live and die on how the public perceives Palin. By hanging all their hopes on her they are tacitly admitting that McCain himself has nothing to recommend him to the American people. How desperate must a candidate be to in essence be telling voters, "Don't vote for me, vote for my VP pick"? This campaign is the most pathetic I've ever seen.

  • Posted By: Independent23 @ 10/04/2008 7:00:27 PM

    I am a Democrat. I am not worried about Cultural war or anything. However, I am very uncomfortable with Barrack Obama. He chooses easier path for solving problems. All American people, buy home, securing mortages but what OBAMA has done is unthinkable. He asked a criminal felion to fund his home purchase, with all bells & alarms going on ON CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Tony Rezco is convicted & is in jail. I am not inclinde to vote for some one who makes serious judgement erroe even in buying his own house. Clearly Unamerican. He has a potential to be extremely corrupt & thereby make wrong decisions for America.

    • Posted By: oharris30 @ 10/04/2008 8:59:45 PM

      You must be kidding! You need to check out your bro, John McCain and what do you think about his wife stealing meds from the charity where she worked? It is funny how you criticize something that Obama did sometime ago and continue to totally disregard what McCain is still doing. I don't trust Sarah Palin and her soon to be proud to be a redneck son in law.

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 7:31:35 PM


      That was boneheaded of him but not illegal. Ask McCain about the Keating Five.

  • Posted By: Thersites @ 10/04/2008 7:14:51 PM

    sooo let me get this straight... Biden's cringe producing schtick about Scranton is OK, Obama's Bros before Hoes, likewise OK, Obama's Philly salute of "they bring a knife, we bring a gun", also OK, the whole HOST of condescending blather that we have endured, lo these many MANY months, OK... but Palin's bit about being a Hockey mom, is NOT OK??!!!

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 7:29:59 PM


      This doesn't even make sense.
      A) Biden is from Scranton.
      B) Obama never said "bros before hoes", ever.
      C) No one in the left or right, in their right mind, has said anything about the phrase Hockey Moms.

      What I find disturbing is McCain singing "bomb Iran" to an audience. His being so out of touch as to call the "fundamentals of the economy sound" one week and then stopping his campaign (which he never did stop) "to deal with the CRISIS". Palin's continued idea that living close to Russia gives her any kind of foreign policy experience, or her utter lack of knowledge of the economy at a time when we could be headed for a depression and the possibility of her being close to the presidency. THOSE are scary things.

      • Posted By: Thersites @ 10/04/2008 7:49:17 PM

        Bros before Hoes tee-shirts were all over the place in his campaign headquarters when I visited, no-one said a word about it.

        He did make the reckless comment "they bring a knife, we bring a gun" in a city that has has an ongoing battle with gun violence.

        To hear Biden speak during the convention was to assume that he represented Pennsylvania instead of Delaware.

        Certainly there was a HUGE hubbub about the difference between a Hockey mom and a pitbull, don't tell me that you don't remember that?!

        What I find scary is that Barack Obama's one executive credential stems from being Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge when he hand chose educational programs to fund, spent $100 Million funding them, and ended up producing no measurabel results in academic performance or improved behavior! Now he wants to take his show on the road and people like you are helping him? What has he ever done that resulted in good for the public? The only thing he seems to manage to do is to enrich himself and his donors at the public's expense!

        • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 8:58:55 PM


          I'm calling bull on this.

          THIS pig on lipstick?

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPYkNQlJMM

          Ha!

        • Posted By: akron61537 @ 10/04/2008 8:10:14 PM

          Obama is a sexist, racist corrupt politician. How much has he pocketed from Fannie Mae, Lehman Brothers and Countrywide. Anyone taking as much as he, Dodd and Barney Frank took should be charged w/ political corruption and serve their time rehabbing homes w/ Habitat for Humanity. "Bros before Hoes". What a charming fellow. All the advances in civility and equality in our country are tossed aside for gangsta rap. Disgusting.

          • Posted By: Thersites @ 10/04/2008 8:18:57 PM

            A little honest work would do these people a world of good!

            • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 8:56:00 PM


              ... And a few credible source would lend your wacky assertions credibility.

      • Posted By: Thersites @ 10/04/2008 7:59:00 PM

        Oh, and by the way, Obama said:

        "I mean think about it. Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. ??You know, Iran, they spend one one-hundredth of what we spend on the military. If Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us, they wouldn't stand a chance."

        You know of course that it only takes one nuclear bomb to ruin your whole day!

        • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 8:50:20 PM


          You know, of course, that they had no nuclear program before Bush began strong-arming them. And to be perfectly honest, put yourself in their shoes; if the candidate for president of the most powerful country in the world signs songs about bombing your country, wouldn't you be a bit concerned? What if Putin or Medvedev basically assured their voters ON TV that they were planning to bomb America, wouldn't you want a bigger stick?

          The biggest danger to America is a nuclear weapon in the hands of terrorists, but in the hands of a state you have the principle of AD (Assured Destruction), that is, if Iran threatens, launches or gives a nuclear weapon to terrorists (which can be traced back to any region because of the quality of uranium) Iran ceases to exist that day. They know this, and they are not stupid. Believe me, when the Mullahs buy posh houses with pools, invest their money in foreign markets and buy expensive European cars, well, that tells me those people are not in a hurry to die. Don't buy the same line they used on Iraq.

  • Posted By: treetopflyer @ 10/04/2008 7:56:07 PM

    Whenever you hear someone using the word "elitist" to describe someone else, just replace it in your mind with "acting white". Stop for a moment and think about what both of those expressions mean. They are used most frequently by those trying to hide their own mediocrity in group identity, either that of being black or that of being rural, white, "good folk". They absolutely scream "inferiority complex" and fear that someone who actually makes something of him- or herself will throw light on how cheaply they value the limited number of heartbeats each of us is allotted. If they want to waste their lives that's their business, but that's no reason to trash someone who is curious, loves this life and wants to experience it to the fullest. The Bible tells us we'll reap what we sow, and the Koran teaches us to spend of what God has given us, not to let it lie fallow. What is so wholesome and value-oriented then about people who waste their lives in mediocrity and try to tear down anyone who demands more out of life and themselves. They should be held up as role models, proof of the American dream, not trashed by those who go through life with blinders on and would impose them on others.

    Again - "elitist", "acting white". Anyone who can tell me what the difference between those two is, please email laptaperATgmailDOTcom.

    • Posted By: Thersites @ 10/04/2008 8:14:15 PM

      Pushing yourself to personal excellence is one thing, ripping off the public to line the pockets of your friends and donors is quite another matter. Ever hear of Todd Stoger? Obama calls him a "good progressive Democrat"

      If you vote for someone like this because they promise the moon and the stars, you will indeed reap what you sow, problem is that the rest of us will reap what you have sown too!

      • Posted By: treetopflyer @ 10/04/2008 8:43:51 PM

        You and I both know "elitist" has nothing to do with patronage politics - and if you think they don't exist in the sticks, you are well and truly blind. "Elitist" is a hot button word meant to conjure up people who drink coffee that actually tastes like coffee and beer that actually tastes like beer. It's meant to stir up jealousy against those who can afford tastes and opportunities you can't, leaving aside the fact that if you had the same money you'd be a bit self-indulgent too. It ignores that usually that money is earned. But on a deeper and more destructive level, it is meant to cow anyone who does not robotically swallow the right-wing ideological poison and actually thinks for themselves. I'm not saying there aren't those on the left who practice a version of this, but for whatever reason there are far fewer people on that side of the spectrum who fall for that garbage. "Elitist" is the club that's meant to keep us in line, silence our criticisms and questions. It's meant to keep us from shaking our heads and wondering the obvious - "Who is this nitwit and what's she doing on this stage?" In any case, a club like that can be overused. The mayor of Wasilla is obviously proud of being a Christian. She should remember that "Christian" was originally a pejorative term, "little Christ", spoken derisively of Paul and his converts. He and the followers of the Way (as it was then called) turned that word around into a badge of honor by virtue of their deeds. There is no reason at all that "elitist" and "liberal" shouldn't undergo the same transformation. A lot of us are tired of being slammed with these labels as though we should be ashamed of them; nowadays we wear them with pride.

      • Posted By: treetopflyer @ 10/04/2008 8:43:26 PM

        You and I both know "elitist" has nothing to do with patronage politics - and if you think they don't exist in the sticks, you are well and truly blind. "Elitist" is a hot button word meant to conjure up people who drink coffee that actually tastes like coffee and beer that actually tastes like beer. It's meant to stir up jealousy against those who can afford tastes and opportunities you can't, leaving aside the fact that if you had the same money you'd be a bit self-indulgent too. It ignores that usually that money is earned. But on a deeper and more destructive level, it is meant to cow anyone who does not robotically swallow the right-wing ideological poison and actually thinks for themselves. I'm not saying there aren't those on the left who practice a version of this, but for whatever reason there are far fewer people on that side of the spectrum who fall for that garbage. "Elitist" is the club that's meant to keep us in line, silence our criticisms and questions. It's meant to keep us from shaking our heads and wondering the obvious - "Who is this nitwit and what's she doing on this stage?" In any case, a club like that can be overused. The mayor of Wasilla is obviously proud of being a Christian. She should remember that "Christian" was originally a pejorative term, "little Christ", spoken derisively of Paul and his converts. He and the followers of the Way (as it was then called) turned that word around into a badge of honor by virtue of their deeds. There is no reason at all that "elitist" and "liberal" shouldn't undergo the same transformation. A lot of us are tired of being slammed with these labels as though we should be ashamed of them; nowadays we wear them with pride.

  • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 7:19:34 PM


    I'm surprised at how out of touch and rambling some of Ms. Clift's articles have been lately; I hardly think Palin ignited even a culture discussion, let alone a "culture war".

    Palin was VERY surprising and effective this week. She was composed, biting and communicated very well to the camera. It is obvious she has great potential. The problem is that a) her comments -although well delivered- lacked any kind of substance and b) she is still the same person who was unable to answer Couric's basic questions earlier this week, that hasn't changed at all. It's not that after this performance she suddenly became a professor! If so, she should go to all the shows and grant all the interviews she's been hiding from.

    With her performance Palin stopped the bleeding in the McCain campaign, a bleeding she herself was partly responsible for, but as Paul Begala said, she seemed to have helped her chances for 2012 more than the McCain campaign this time around. If that is the case, it will be interesting to see how those in the right who wax rhapsodic for her now treat her during republican primaries. She could do well, but the problem with people like Palin is that they have so much charisma and spunk that they forget they need to read to actually know something about anything. If she puts her mind to it she could be a very effective politician. And god help us all then.

    • Posted By: Frustrated in Alaska @ 10/04/2008 7:51:29 PM

      The most recent news on the "Troopergate" front is this:
      The Alaskan judge hearing the case as to whether the Alaskan Legislature had the right to investigate Palin's supposed Abbuse of Power said absolutely they did and threw out the case. Now, McCain's camp is taking it to the Alaskan Supreme Court. Get the picture. Palin has lost a great deal of repect in the Alaskan government over this. Her political career in Alaska is probably over.

      • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 8:39:07 PM


        I hear you. The results of the investigation are supposed to be released on the 10th, no? I'm not getting my hopes up but I can't wait to hear what they have to say.

  • Posted By: Thersites @ 10/04/2008 7:34:52 PM

    No Cazador1972, I think the dip in the polls had more to do with the public seeing George Bush, hearing him ask for $700 Billion, and suddenly remembering part of what they've hated about the past eight years, forgetting that they hate Congress even more! Surely the mantra that Sarah is unqualified hasn't helped but if you compare her specific qualifications and judgements to Obama's, the clear winner is Palin!

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 8:34:50 PM


      Really? And nothing to do with McCain saying the economy is strong, then a week later "canceling" his campaign to "deal with the crisis" and then not canceling the campaign at all, or his choosing a running VP who can't even answer basic questions most informed citizens -not to say politicians- should know? People are McCain to Bush because he sided with him time and time again; lower taxes for the rich, deregulation and hell-bent on Iraq. Give me a break.

  • Posted By: bethany617 @ 10/04/2008 8:32:56 PM

    Gov. Palin has been revealed as the poor VP choice many feared her to be from the start. Neither she, nor McSame, can reverse the damage.

  • Posted By: subbob @ 10/04/2008 4:12:20 PM

    Obama's family on food stamps, please spare us the drama! His Columbia education was bankrolled by Nadhmi Auchi. His $1.6 MILLION house was bankrolled by Tony Rezko. And, his campaign and political machine was bankrolled by the terrorist Ayers. IF his family was on food stamps, it was only because he could not disclose the money he obtained illegally.

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 8:29:11 PM


      Do you have any sources? Or is this all anal in origin?

  • Posted By: Fred D @ 10/04/2008 4:14:12 PM

    As Gov. Palin so eloquently put it during the VP debate on Thusday: Sen. Obama wants to ???waive the white flag of defeat??? in Iraq. I think most Americans, right of left of the aisle, do not want that to happen. Regardless of whether or not you supported the war at its onset, not to mention the debacle it transitioned into before Gen. Petreaus got there, we are clearly winning now. The terrorists are on the run, safety is improving, and if we don???t get it right this time, we???ll probably have to go back 10 years from now to fix it anyways. It???s like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Iraq has been doing well lately and it would be crime to let the lawlessness that has reigned for the last 3 years loose once again to ravage the country and its people.

    Palin went on to point out that Obama is insistent on pursuing ???dangerous??? foreign policies and remains ???naive??? when it comes to the ways of the world. Imagine what people would say about anyone else promoting a 16 month withdraw plan for well over 18 months, and then saying that no revisions were necessary? That sounds pretty naïve to me. Obama says that we must win in Afghanistan, which to him is the central front on the War on Terror (the Generals in the military disagree), and not necessarily Iraq. I can't imagine how we could possibly win in Afghanistan if we capitulate in Iraq. That is a very dangerous thinking.

    I think Palin made the decision that voters face this year very clear. Vote for a winner, or vote for a loser.

    The real Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S26C-rxIVW8

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 8:27:04 PM


      "As Gov. Palin so eloquently put it during the VP debate on Thusday: Sen. Obama wants to ???waive the white flag of defeat??? in Iraq. I think most Americans, right of left of the aisle, do not want that to happen."

      You are confusing a talking point with reality. Bush has BROKEN the armed forces. If we had to fight another war right now we would have to start a draft because the military is stretched to the max, take it from me. It is not unwise to pull out of a mistake one should not have committed in the first place.

      What does victory in Iraq look like? They just postponed their elections again! We are running a huge deficit and they have a $75 billion surplus. How many deaths are necessary to end a mistake?

  • Posted By: pnkearns @ 10/04/2008 4:54:08 PM

    I love hypocrite liberals with their double standards like Ms. Clift.

    Palin has more real experience than Obama, yet Obama is "qualified" because he graduated from elite Eastern liberal colleges... salutes liberal dogma.. and... let's be truthful.... he's Black. Ms. Clift is willing to ignore his total lack of accomplishment and experience to validate her soft racial bigotry and liberal race guilt.

    We all know Ms. Clift would be cheering Palin on if she was a liberal candidate.

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 8:17:21 PM


      Obama is qualified because he was a state senator for eight years and has been a senator at the federal level for four. And please, let's not count graduating first in his class from Harvard against him.

      If "liberals" just wanted a black president they would have given the candidacy to Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, and as history shows, that ain't happening.

      If Palin was a liberal conservatives would be condemning her lack of experience and her utter lack of knowledge of the most basic issues confronting America, as well they should, except it was a republican who chose her.

  • Posted By: RFlorida @ 10/04/2008 8:12:45 PM

    If Joe 6pack keeps voting for guns and religion as they have in the last two presidential campaigns they will be known as Joe 1/2 pint cause they won't beable to buy a 6 pack

  • Posted By: nmauricer @ 10/04/2008 4:59:33 PM

    Indeed. Obama is supremely unqualified to lead anything but a campaign. One shouldn't sneer at community organizers (ssems to be the only thing on his resume), but what else has he done? Clift is a robot liberal though, and no rational argument will sway her. At least Palin has real achievements.

    • Posted By: Frustrated in Alaska @ 10/04/2008 8:09:46 PM

      Obama knows the laws of this country, unlike Palin who is currently being investigated for Abuse of Power under her administration in Alaska. McCain's camp now plans to take it all the way to the Supreme Court of AK, as the Superior judge ruled in favor of the legislature. Do you smell something fishy? You should. Delay findings of investigation until after the election. Sorry folks, it ain't gonna happen.

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 8:09:42 PM


      Read before posting please. Obama started as a community organizer. Then he ran for office and was an Illinois state senator for EIGHT YEARS (in a state with more than fifteen times the population of Alaska - literally). He has been a Senator in D.C. for four years.

      Please explain to me how Palin's experience counts when she is unable to cite A SINGLE CASE she disagrees with Supreme Court or any type of coherent response to the economy. The experience argument is not something you want to get into, even the McCain campaign is abandoning it.

  • Posted By: rbierly @ 10/04/2008 5:09:58 PM

    Eleanor: I just read your hatchet job on Sarah Palin. You are so out of touch with small town America. All you can do is put down this woman. Palin???s alleged lack of experience as the VP candidate compares favaorably to the lack of experience of ???The One???, and he is seeking the Presidency! You hope that while you trash a woman who is trying to do her best for her state and country, we will not notice that the emperor is naked. I particularly loved your term,???gibberish??? to describe the arguments of Ms Palin. It is so so Ivy League and spoken by someone with such a superior intellect. You cannot stand that a woman could choose life for a disabled baby. Exactly when did you loose your heart? You liberal hypocrites would move heaven and earth to save the life of a mountain climber who chose to put his life in peril, but oppose all efforts to save the millions of unborn children who have no say. You are correct about one thing, we are in a culture war. I can only pray that your side does not prevail. Richard Bierly.

    • Posted By: 1jdgriff @ 10/04/2008 6:36:19 PM

      Richard,
      Thank God you don't speak for "small towns" because you are the one out of touch. I live in a town of 3,000 people, each of us are laughing at Ms. Palin and looking forward to watching SNL's latest ability to expose the inept person she is. By the way, look up the definition of Liberal and you will find that most of the founding fathers were in fact liberals. Throwing around talking points and terms such as you have just done is obviously the same tact they used with Ms. Palin because she did not have the ability to give an answer to the simplest of questions.

      • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 7:56:57 PM


        Jd, couldn't have said it better myself.

        LIBERAL
        a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
        b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

  • Posted By: crclark721 @ 10/04/2008 5:59:00 PM

    Palin ignites culture war? Liberal/elites/MSM ignites it is more correct. These groups look at the majority of Americans which Palin represents with repugnance, lacking the polish and lofty rhetoric that appeals to them. At least Biden showed a little awe along with his horror...

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 7:54:35 PM


      Maybe so, but not all. The same way many conservatives (but not all) look at us liberals with contempt as lesser beings for not agreeing with their self-righteous beliefs. These sweeping generalizations cut both ways. People are people.

  • Posted By: ikez78 @ 10/04/2008 6:39:00 PM

    Eleanor, the radical left's attempt to force homosexuality, abortion and many other countless issues down America's throat is the start of the culture war. How can "conservatives" start a war when they are the ones trying to keep things the same?

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/04/2008 7:51:30 PM


      How is homosexuality being forced down your throat? Ask Ted haggard if that is the case. Homosexuality has, is and will always be with us. Live and let live because if anyone forced their values on you as much the conservative right does in this country you'd really feel like you are under attack.

      Abortion, as much as I dislike it is the law of the land. Further, 70%-80% of people in this country approve of it, that is hardly something the "left" is forcing down your throat. By the way, have you ever asked yourself why Bush for eight years and to this day refuse to meet publicly with anti-abortion groups? Because in spite of what you might think, most elected republicans don't want to see Roe v. Wade revoked. Why? Because by having the Supreme Court uphold it as law abortion is not on the ballot, it is not a wedge issue. The day it is back on the ballot republicans will lose every election you can think of, especially in so called red states. Hmmm, food for thought.

  • Posted By: grapefire8 @ 10/04/2008 7:42:19 PM

    Palin reignited nothing as far as I am concerned. I am a woman an I will tell you she DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME. I am totally ashamed of her for playing the woman card.. Poor little me,, and can i call you Joe? duh.. The winking and flirting,, she is not fit to be a mayor or a pta president,, excuse me whiile i barf......................

  • Posted By: ombudsman @ 10/04/2008 7:13:57 PM

    Why is it cheeky to ask, respectfully, if you can call a senator by his first name? Boy you people can't be satisfied. She isn't reigniting the culture war, people like you and the posters who don't like a regular person making a decent living are doing it. Palin had plenty of facts - surge worked, will work in Afghanistan, taxed hurt jobs, global warming is mostly natural.

    They just weren't the facts you wanted to hear. Instead of debating them, you toss them aside.

  • Posted By: Freicha @ 10/04/2008 7:13:54 PM

    Until this week, Palin's presence on the Republican ticket has served Democrats by entirely upstaging the toxic resentment campaign of disgruntled Hillary voters who had hoped to sabotage Obama. In view of his ascendancy in the polls, we Democrats should be grateful that her marginal debate performance has precluded any chance of her being replaced by someone more competent. It appears that economic fear has caused significant numbers of working class voters who would prefer not to vote for Obama to resign themselves to his presidency; but if Sarah were replaced by Mitt, for example, blue collar voters might reconsider the merits of a McCain administration.

  • Posted By: ombudsman @ 10/04/2008 7:11:45 PM

    Asking to call Sen Biden "Joe" is cheeky? Most people who say it was respectful. She isn't reigniting the culture war, people like you are - you want to keep someone like her in her place. Let her speak. She had plenty of facts (surge worked, and in an adjusted form will work in Afghanistan, global warming is mostly natural and cyclical but that doesn't mean polution is good, and taxes hurt jobs) ... they just weren't the facts you wanted to hear.

  • Posted By: Independent23 @ 10/04/2008 7:09:28 PM

    OBAMA hides behind the media. If elected, the media can not cover a President in delivering his job, as they cover for a Presidential contender. OBAMA recklessly launched & watched with evilness, attack against Bill Clinton as a KKK Racist and also demolished Hillary Clinton with an accusations of assasination attempt on him, back in June 2008. He did denounce Bill Clinton that there were no new ideas since Regan. This and the fact that he bought his first home with criminal felon's money , will definitely push me away from him.

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