Palin Reignites The Culture War

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  • Posted By: pete1618 @ 10/03/2008 6:37:21 PM

    Where we got the idea our leaders should be people we could relate to I don???t know. All the leaders I admire were people way over my head in knowing how and understanding what was going on in the world. The idea that we want someone in the oval office just like me is??? stupid. Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower were all remarkable people with an incredible capacity to figure out what was going on and what to do about it. Way beyond my capacity or anybody I know. Kennedy, even Nixon were remarkable people. I don???t know anybody as complicated as Nixon. In my more paranoid moods I suspect this ???Just Folks??? kind of president is a conspiracy by the right to destroy America.

  • Posted By: avocats @ 10/03/2008 6:22:41 PM

    She may be able to parrot catchphrases, but she does not appear to understand fairly common questions (does she even KNOW what an Achilles' heel is?) and has little command of standard English. I lost count of her misplaced subjects and objects. My toddler granddaughter has a better command of the language. I'm appalled. She has set American women back 100 years. Foreign leaders would be patting her empty head and telling her how cute she is, as did the Pakistani leader. Sheesh. And she should stop making her teenage daughters carry around her infant like a campaign sign. Those poor kids deserve better.

  • Posted By: lorisherrell @ 10/03/2008 6:35:37 PM

    When did it become a bad thing to finish first in your class. Obama did just that at Harvard. How that makes him an 'elitist, I don't know. I think it just makes him driven and smart. He went on to teach constitutional law. I believe his grasp of the issues and the law, as well as, his leadership qualities and ability to bring people together will serve us all well when he enters into office.
    I find it odd that the republicans think that I would vote for Sarah Palin because she is a 'woman, just like me'. Well, I
    am not qualified to lead this country and neither is she. Her performance at last nights debate solidified my suspicion that she has gotten far with her pluck, determination and Barbie like good looks. I think she was so concerned about what she was going to 'sell' us on next, that she didn't really listen to the questions that were posed or to what Senator Biden had said. Her lack of response after Joe's comments about his family and how he was so choked up should have warranted some kind of compassionate response from Palin. She is not a leader and does not belong in the white house.

  • Posted By: scoutjung @ 10/03/2008 5:59:48 PM

    Am I the only one who believes "Joe Six-Pack" is pejorative? The image it evokes for me is not attractive. I hope I am not Joe Sixpack just because I live in Wisconsin.

    • Posted By: terrifiedinvegas @ 10/03/2008 6:08:38 PM

      Sorry but you are. You are exactly who the Republicians are talking down to. All those folks in WI, PA, OH, and up until yesterday MI... Republicians consider you all knuckle-dragging Joe Six Packs with your pick up trucks and guns.
      Every four years they pretend to care about you, they think if they wink, say "you betcha" and "doggone it" and then wave a flag you'll be too stupid to remember that they don't represent your interests. Prove them wrong.

      • Posted By: scoutjung @ 10/03/2008 6:33:04 PM

        Yes but.....the more I drink my six pack(s) the more attractive a V.P. she becomes. It must be my beer goggles.

  • Posted By: johnwaco @ 10/03/2008 5:45:06 PM

    Your article is filled with such contempt for Palin. Will journalist ever get back to objective facts for the American people or will we just be told what ideology to believe & who we ought to vote for. Hopefully Americans will not fall for all the doubts & bias created so as to elect the "chosen" one. Please, please will some journalist just be objective & fair. We only have 2 partys to choose from. Is this too many?

    • Posted By: avocats @ 10/03/2008 6:32:52 PM

      Objective facts? Republicans?? Seriously! Referring to Obama as "The Chosen One" is certainly factual and objective. Ms. Clift wrote an "opinion" column. That means that she is expressing her "opinion." Look it up. Palin is beneath contempt and has seriously damaged the standing of the American woman. And the word "parties" has no y.

  • Posted By: Abby Martin @ 10/03/2008 6:31:31 PM

    Governor Palin does not appeal to this average American. Palin's financials are due out today - correct? (Just needed that disclosure extension until after the debate?) I think we'll see that she is way above the average income of the audience to which she is playing. A household income of $250,000 and a private plane is NOT average to anyone I know. Perhaps a new definition of ???average??? is in order or did I miss a memo?

    Can I call you, Joe? A rehearsed line straight from Sedona that later allowed Palin to quip, ???Say it isn???t so, Joe.??? There she goes again reaching backwards to the 1921 White Sox and Shoeless Joe Jackson . . .

    I don't want a VP on either ticket who winks at cameras, gives a 'shout out' to 3rd graders and speaks as if she were text messaging a teenager. Palin's presentation is may be 'homey' to some but I find it patronizing. If I want to talk to a soccer mom I'll go to a soccer match.

  • Posted By: SouthernYankeeBelle @ 10/03/2008 6:28:53 PM

    I don't want to have a beer with any of these candidates. I want my president and VP working on important issues of our country. Ms Palin antics was a turn off to me. These debates are not a game to me. Bush won because people had a feel good wanting a beer with Bush mentality. Senator Kerry won all the debates but the republicans made him look foolish. I don't think people are going to take it this time around. We can't afford game playing now. Sen McCain shooting from the hip antics is not the man I want as president. Being a marvick to me is dangerous. He wears it as a badge of honor. I like McCain and Ms Palin is nice but both are not prepared to be president. Sen Obama and Sen Biden both come off better prepared on the issues and are looking forward. We need change and the republican party isn't it. They put Corporations first and Country last.

  • Posted By: yellow72 @ 10/03/2008 5:58:28 PM

    I live in texas and people here do not talk like what is described as her 'folksy' lingo. people here might add the word 'fixin' to a sentence or two. I really think she spoke that way because she really thinks the people she's trying to reach out to are that stupid. it's offensive. she's the manchurian candidate. I use to say she lies a lot. now, she IS a lie. it's really sad to hear people say she reminds them of themselves. so are these people lying, snarky, unclassy, opportunists? I guess from now on, at work, anybody who says they like palin, I will keep away from. they are not trustworthy in thought or action.

    • Posted By: avocats @ 10/03/2008 6:28:18 PM

      Oh no! A literary reference! Don't be Manchurian Candidat-ing Ms. Palin! That is her Achilles' heel.

  • Posted By: sharyn post @ 10/03/2008 5:11:18 PM

    What is so wrong with being an "elitist"? I personally would like to have someone who is smarter and more educated than most of the population leading this country. We had the "guy next door" leading us for 8 years and look where that got us? Obama is down-to-earth and can relate to the public, along with being knowledgeable and having a plan. He also possesses the charisma and leadership qualities we need to pull America and its reputation around the globe out of the gutter that it has fall into.

    • Posted By: brehove @ 10/03/2008 6:20:37 PM

      I agree there is nothing wrong w/ elitism, but mainly b/c the term itself is about as useful as focusing on the "average american." In this election cycle, this polarity has been throw around excessively with little qualification. Both terms (average/elitist) are relative terms, obviously, and subject to the whims of the speaker. From a rhetorical perspective, Palin is creating the "average american" as she speaks--there's no empirical correllat. In this sense, Biden was challenging that creation during the debate, w/ his Wilmington comments. A battle over what constitutues the average american

  • Posted By: GeorgeLoBuono @ 10/03/2008 6:19:12 PM

    Palin was out of her league in the debate. When the moderator asked the biggest question of the debate: what caused the current financial mess, Palin didn't even answer her. Instead, she rattled off some prepared diversion about who raised taxes. Biden called her on it, but she avoided answering the question in her rebuttal, also. The least educated "Joe Six-pack," as Palin referred to the average US male in the debate (believe it or not) could see plain as day that she was afraid to even talk about it.

    Worse yet, she sat on a national stage doing tacky little tricks: she actually tried to wink at intervals--a pathetic act (it seems to be so ingrained in her routine that she couldn't suppress it--even on a national stage); she kept nodding to try to underscore her evasive chatter and when she began to tell false info she actually shook her head as if to say NO, repeatedly. She kept making weird little expressions that a Miss Wasilla contestant might try in a high school gymn: out of place smiles, bleacher cheer blather (she gave "extra credit" to her sister's 3rd grade students who were watching---15 seconds on that, absolute zero on why Wall St. wants your money NOW, or else), and she made numerous winky house frau gestures--mostly hypnotic puff as if to show her solidarity with semi-literate homemakers.

    It was all about trying to appeal to Middle American viewers, a game that Biden beat her at soundly---his logic was clear, tempered and to the point for average viewers, while Palin didn't even resemble a person ready for the national stage. I'm surprised she didn't quote TV reality shows as if they are gospel.

    At least she didn't blame it all on "muk-luks," Palins derogatory way of referring to Inuit native people of Alaska.

  • Posted By: GeorgeLoBuono @ 10/03/2008 6:15:21 PM

    Palin was out of her league in the debate. When the moderator asked the biggest question of the debate: what caused the current financial mess, Palin didn't even answer her. Instead, she rattled off some prepared diversion about who raised taxes. Biden called her on it, but she avoided answering the question in her rebuttal, also. The least educated "Joe Six-pack," as Palin referred to the average US male in the debate (believe it or not) could see plain as day that she was afraid to even talk about it.

    Worse yet, she sat on a national stage doing tacky little tricks: she actually tried to wink at intervals--a pathetic act (it seems to be so ingrained in her routine that she couldn't suppress it--even on a national stage); she kept nodding to try to underscore her evasive chatter and when she began to tell false info she actually shook her head as if to say NO, repeatedly. She kept making weird little expressions that a Miss Wasilla contestant might try in a high school gymn: out of place smiles, bleacher cheer blather (she gave "extra credit" to her sister's 3rd grade students who were watching---15 seconds on that, absolute zero on why Wall St. wants your money NOW, or else), and she made numerous winky house frau gestures--mostly hypnotic puff as if to show her solidarity with semi-literate homemakers.

    It was all about trying to appeal to Middle American viewers, a game that Biden beat her at soundly---his logic was clear, tempered and to the point for average viewers, while Palin didn't even resemble a person ready for the national stage. I'm surprised she didn't quote TV reality shows as if they are gospel.

    At least she didn't blame it all on "muk-luks," Palins derogatory way of referring to Inuit native people of Alaska.

  • Posted By: HappyDay41 @ 10/03/2008 5:27:58 PM

    Anyone concerned that Boden, lawyer, 35-year congressman, doesn't know much about the US Constitution he supposedly took an oath to uphold?

    When he claimed the executive branch of government was codified in Article 1 of the Constitution, I about wrecked my car!

    Maybe he needs more coaching by the Omaba group... Gov'nr Palin did not make such a HUGE mistake, but we'll never hear Biden raked through the coals like they have done to this fine woman.

    • Posted By: Nashville Girl @ 10/03/2008 6:10:01 PM

      Article 1 states "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided." That is the only mention of the Vice President in the entire article. I believe when Biden said "The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States," he was making the point that the VP is NOT a member of the legislative branch. Yes, the executive branch is defined in Article 2 and his wording was poor, but your kind of splitting hairs.

    • Posted By: terrifiedinvegas @ 10/03/2008 5:54:34 PM

      Are you seriously going to criticize Biden's confusion when referencing Article 1 and Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution, as opposed to that disgraceful performance from Talking Point Barbie?!

      She couldn't reference an article from a newspaper, let along an Article from the Constitution.

  • Posted By: john sullivan @ 10/03/2008 5:35:13 PM

    happyday41, only in such a messed-up world would a republican, the part of "business", try to say Palin is qualified for this job. maybe that's why wall street is in trouble - buisnessmen have been hiring people based on personality instead of substance.

    jesus i give up. i'll see you idiots on the other side. if you vote for mccain/palin, you can rest-assured you are the ultimate self-denying ass.

    • Posted By: HappyDay41 @ 10/03/2008 6:09:19 PM

      John, instead of calling me names, why not address the substance of my post. Which, by the way, had nothing to do with Wall Street, Business, or anything like that. You think you know my political party, and you think you knkow my occupation. Amazing.

      Now... can you tell me why obiden doesn't know the US Constitution? He said the executive branch is covered by Article 1. Do you, John, know which section the executive appears in?????

  • Posted By: downhill240 @ 10/03/2008 6:08:39 PM

    The last "every man/woman" who appealed to "Joe Six-Pack elected was The current President. I don't know how many Red-necks want to be called REd-Necks or "Joe Six-Pack" but the connatation in my mind is not good. Her First aspiration was to be a Sports announcer. That's where she learned how to read notes/tele-prompters and to speak, smile and wink at the same time. Are those not good qualifications for a Sports Announcer? They are but their not indications of the ability to lead our nation specially after the mess the Republicans have left it in. I don't blame all Republicans. There was a time when the party stood for some values. No more with the current lot in power. I can't help think that a person first elected to office by 625 votes, then 990 her second temr as Mayor of Wasilla Population 5000 at the time. Her next election she actually didn't pull a majority of votes. She had 123,000 while the other four candidates had 141,000. This in a state having less population than over 20 cities in the rest of the country. Indeed her Governorship vote was smaller than 200 cities in the rest ot the country. She and McCain have not only inflated the importance of Alaskan oil by saying they account for 20 percent of our energy when in fact all the sources I read put that number at 3.5 percent. "Maverick" McCain who voted with bush over 90 percent of the time did so. He had Big Oil on his mind just like the Bush Cabal when he chose Palin. She, like other Alaskans have a more than passing interest in the production of their Oil. I think it's one reason she hurried back to Alaskan soil to have her last child. Their entire state economy is based on Big Oil which includes such perks as no State income-tax, very little State sales tax and I understand that native Alaskans get a nice piece of change yearly from their Big-Oil buddies.
    Remeber when Bush/Cheney had their big secret meeting with "experts" form big Energy (OIL) To decide how to move forward on energy policy and we asked who was there and what was discussed? They refused to this day to tell the American people who was there or what was discussed. Need I point out This policy of hiding was inititated by a "Good old boy" known for his history of proving he was a "Hell-rasin Joe-Six-Pack" in his day down in Texan whose main skills were driling dry wells and getting paid for it and the other "good old boy" is a Bird hunter that can't shoot straight with anybody unless he's actualy shooting at them.

  • Posted By: crumb @ 10/03/2008 6:07:56 PM

    Calling Obama an elitist is an excuse not to listen. America, it worked so well the last two terms to have "a guy that we could have over for a beer" lets do it again! The world stage laughs once again.

  • Posted By: ericjohnson @ 10/03/2008 6:06:30 PM

    @Johnwaco

    Not everything in journalism is meant to be objective. Ms. Clift is a columnist for Newsweek and is expressing an opinion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnist). Her opinion is not going to be the same as everyone elses. People who tend to agree with her opinions may wish to hear some of her other opinions. Even if you don't agree with her opinion, doesn't it help you define and strengthen your own opinion in response to hers?

    If you're looking for objective, investigative journalism, don't read columns or editorials. Those are the part of news publications that express OPINIONS!

  • Posted By: macrhino @ 10/03/2008 5:52:01 PM

    Duh, I wanna be Vice President as well. I ken rite good and I ken read good and I ken get peeple who hate those eleeetst high school grads to vote fer me as well. I think Sarah Palin is cute and she shore can talk rite. I voted in the last lection for Bush and look at how good he has been doin' !

    • Posted By: sdhdavis @ 10/03/2008 5:56:06 PM

      Your talking about the Democrats right...aren't they the ones transporting folks from homeless shelters to vote!?

      • Posted By: macrhino @ 10/03/2008 6:05:48 PM

        "Your talking about the Democrats right...aren't they the ones transporting folks from homeless shelters to vote!?" Please "You're" not "your." Quoting Rush now? Excuse me but please wipe away the drool from the screen before you post the poison Kool-aid.

  • Posted By: trokussek@msn.com @ 10/03/2008 6:02:08 PM

    I want a VP who is intelligent enough to know what is going on re the economy and the world. Especially one who would be a heartbeat away from a 72 year old man with a history of cancer. She's still a cheerleader only now for McCain & herself! Her statement that she's only been on the scene 5 weeks is extremely telling. What was he thinking when he picked her. She's an insult to women to pass her off as qualified. He first question was incorrect; she should have asked, "May I call you Joe? Not, "Can I call you Joe?"

  • Posted By: k@chicago @ 10/03/2008 5:58:10 PM

    What's wrong w/"elitist"? you don't mind them running our country b/c they're smart? :-) Just b/c they're elitists doesn't mean they're smart. It just means they think they're smarter than you and you're not worthy, nor can you think for yourself. And just b/c they "think" they're smarter, doesn't mean they are. MANY smart people have their PhDs and are scientists... and they're not elitists. You can be rich and not be elitists.

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/03/2008 5:57:37 PM

    The Bush Depression

    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide the largest morgage bank in the world,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. Also, Fanny and Freddy Mae which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash and we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before.

    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.

    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He either didn't care or didn't realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime.
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit.Bush created a national debt larger then the first 42 presidents combined
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why isnt obama 25 points ahead
    The chairman of McCains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite. Which means he is trying to sell you personality instead of results.
    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .

    31 states are voting now, dont wait
    Elect Obama Biden 2008




    Check out this video of sarah palins interview before you vote


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

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