Palin, McCain and the Weeks Ahead

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  • Posted By: SBleeds @ 10/06/2008 10:12:27 AM

    At least for a while it appears that some kind of sanity is on the rise. The republican view of the world and how it ought to be is Neanderthal and oppressive. There is, to be sure, some danger in being too progressive and too supportive of a far left ideology...but Obama is close enough to the center on all of the important issues to give me comfort. McCain is erratic and irrational. Palin's fake folksy authenticity is vapid and wearing thin. I am ready for a change from the trickle down theory (which means the bottom of the heap gets something trickled down on them) but it???s not the good stuff. I am ready to see how we do building from the bottom up and McCain and Palin are not only more of the same but dangerously more of the same. God Bless A New Revived America.

  • Posted By: jdown1234 @ 10/06/2008 1:16:18 AM

    While Senator Obama seems to be an intelligent man with a true gift for rhetoric, his record of accomplishment is thin at best. Quick: name one thing Obama has actually done. His campaign is reduced to talking about the one piece of legislation he co-sponsored in his brief tenure in the US Senate, and that legislation was a non-controversial bill that sailed through with virtually no objection - a layup for the new guy. What he has done since his election to the Senate is campaign for president; running for another office is not a record of achievement in the current job! Contrast this with the McCain record: how about McCain-Feingold for the most obvious example, and let's count all the ways in which this bill shows indepedence and leadership - a truly groundbreaking bill, opposed by most in his own party, demonstrating real bipartisanship (as he worked with one of the most liberal democratic Senators - at least, pre-Obama). Of course, campaign reform doesn't mean much to Obama, as his campaign chose to opt out of our system of public financing so he could raise and spend unlimited amounts of money in an attempt to buy the election. Imagine if a republican candidate for president had made that decision: there would be no limit to the cries of foul play in the media, including calls for criminal investigations. Let's call the Obama campaign for what it really is: Shades of Nixon - and we all know how that story ended.

    • Posted By: hnordquist @ 10/06/2008 10:05:22 AM

      He, along with Republican Dick Lugar, architected a bill to secure loose nukes in the former Soviet Union. That is an accomplishement. I work in the field of nuclear safeguards, and believe that this is more important than the made up reasons to go to Iraq. Terrorists with access to nuclear materials is a greater threat than Saddam ever was.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 10/06/2008 1:44:23 AM

      I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight???..

      * If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.'

      * Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, yours is a quintessential American story.

      * If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

      * Name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

      * Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

      * Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

      * If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black

      President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that

      Registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law

      professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over

      750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human

      Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state

      of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs,

      Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any

      real leadership experience.

      * If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6

      years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the

      governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become

      the country's second highest ranking executive and next in line behind a man

      in his eighth decade.

      * If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful

      daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

      * If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and then left your disfigured wife

      and married the heiress the next month, you're a true Christian.

      * If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of

      birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

      * If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex

      education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up

      pregnant, you're very responsible.

      * If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious

      Law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to

      raise a family, your family's values don't represent America 's.

      * If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and

      no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a

      member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your

      family is extremely admirable.

      OK, that makes it much more clearer now???

  • Posted By: hnordquist @ 10/06/2008 10:00:27 AM

    Rove is the architect of the nasty campaign cycles we now think of as normal. Miss Wasilla managed to run a small state, with employees in the tens of thousands. If Obama's leadership brings a crushing defeat to the GOP smear machine Rove created, as a literal unknown before this campaign, he will have managed hundreds of thousands of grassroots volunteers, overwhelming Sarah's "executive" experience. The people are finally speaking up. Now, if the crooked voting machines and voter suppression can be curbed on November 4th, we may actually have a duly elected President, also, too (wink , wink).
    I laugh at the likability factor. She is nothing more than a gun-toting, anti-choice GOP talking head. All she does is spew the talking points. ENOUGH! We need an intelligent, eloquent and thinking president!!!

  • Posted By: duchess5 @ 10/06/2008 9:59:14 AM

    Karl,Why haven,t you said any of this on TV? All you do is knock MCCain

  • Posted By: Barron V. @ 10/06/2008 9:58:46 AM

    Dick Cheney is "qualified" and "experienced," and you see what that got us.

  • Posted By: tenaciousD1975 @ 10/06/2008 9:53:20 AM

    The numbers don't lie. Obama is picking up about .8 percentage every polling cycle. He's jumped even higher since the VP debate. Rove is a wiz for numbers and I'm sure he's well aware of that. Heck, the only poll (Battleground) that's been favoring McCain is now +3 Obama. I respect Rove, and am a Conservative, but I'm not afraid to admit (as would Rove) that Palin is tanking the ticket. We don't need hockey moms, we need hockey coaches, or heck, even hockey players to lead this country. No one cares what the opinion is of the loudmouth parent who yells at the ref and the coaches and the kid who roughed up their kid etc...

  • Posted By: tenaciousD1975 @ 10/06/2008 9:53:04 AM

    The numbers don't lie. Obama is picking up about .8 percentage every polling cycle. He's jumped even higher since the VP debate. Rove is a wiz for numbers and I'm sure he's well aware of that. Heck, the only poll (Battleground) that's been favoring McCain is now +3 Obama. I respect Rove, and am a Conservative, but I'm not afraid to admit (as would Rove) that Palin is tanking the ticket. We don't need hockey moms, we need hockey coaches, or heck, even hockey players to lead this country. No one cares what the opinion is of the loudmouth parent who yells at the ref and the coaches and the kid who roughed up their kid etc...

  • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 10/06/2008 9:47:47 AM

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Barack Obama attracting 52% of the vote while John McCain earns 44%. This is the highest level of support ever recorded for Obama and is his largest lead of the year. It also continues a remarkable twenty-five days in a row where the Democrat???s support has never declined by even a single point. The Democratic candidate has gained six full percentage points of support since Lehman Brothers collapsed to start the Wall Street mess

  • Posted By: JoanR @ 10/06/2008 9:34:39 AM

    Hello there Vic Winkler.While you are in fact check mode, possibly you can clear up when exactly the USA and France ( of all people) kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon as Joe Kinnock claimed they had during the debate? You know, the time that he and "Barack" , begged for some troops or other to "fill the void" ? Obama's foreign policy expert is apparently unaware that the US hasn't had troops in Lebanon since Reagan nor France since the Truman Administration. So you would think he and Obama must have been awfully young at the time. He likely heard that while visiting Katy???s Diner that closed in 1990.All sorts of things apparently happen in the diners of his mind

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 10/06/2008 9:32:58 AM

    "This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America," Palin said.

    You betcha.

    Palin - and McCain - see America as a place where corporate greed is rewarded, health insurance benefits are taxed, and a woman can't make choices about her own body.

    McCain/Palin see America as a country that uses it's military for questionable motives and unsupportable doctrines and suspends the writ of habeas corpus at will, a country that can alienate it's allies and refuse to negotiate with it's adversaries to the detriment of the American reputation.

    McCain/Palin see America as a society where it is not necessary to use the internet (McCain) or read a newspaper (Palin), where intellectual achievement is regarded as suspect, and where it is acceptable to slander one's opponent's character without regard to anything related to the truth.

    No. Barack Obama and Joe Biden don't see the same America that John McCain and Sarah Palin do.

    And thank god for it.

  • Posted By: LudwigVanBeet @ 10/06/2008 9:30:49 AM

    Karl Rove did you ever look in the mirror and see the reincarnation of Himmler? He is your exact double in mind and spirit.

  • Posted By: LudwigVanBeet @ 10/06/2008 9:28:40 AM

    Does anyone doubt that the new attack ads were not sponsored by Karl Rove and Bill Kristol. It is the same kind of slime that the Repig's have used since they made Hubert Humphrey a Homosexual, Max Cleland a traitor, and John Kerry a s wimp. Chicken-Hawks, like Rove, Kristol, Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz who all took deferments are heros to the Neo-Cons.

  • Posted By: Fred D @ 10/04/2008 4:12:08 PM

    As Gov. Palin so eloquently put it during the VP debate on Thusday: Sen. Obama wants to ???waive the white flag of defeat??? in Iraq. I think most Americans, right of left of the aisle, do not want that to happen. Regardless of whether or not you supported the war at its onset, not to mention the debacle it transitioned into before Gen. Petreaus got there, we are clearly winning now. The terrorists are on the run, safety is improving, and if we don???t get it right this time, we???ll probably have to go back 10 years from now to fix it anyways. It???s like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Iraq has been doing well lately and it would be crime to let the lawlessness that has reigned for the last 3 years loose once again to ravage the country and its people.

    Palin went on to point out that Obama is insistent on pursuing ???dangerous??? foreign policies and remains ???naive??? when it comes to the ways of the world. Imagine what people would say about anyone else promoting a 16 month withdraw plan for well over 18 months, and then saying that no revisions were necessary? That sounds pretty naïve to me. Obama says that we must win in Afghanistan, which to him is the central front on the War on Terror (the Generals in the military disagree), and not necessarily Iraq. I can't imagine how we could possibly win in Afghanistan if we capitulate in Iraq. That is a very dangerous thinking.

    I think Palin made the decision that voters face this year very clear. Vote for a winner, or vote for a loser.

    The real Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S26C-rxIVW8

    • Posted By: terrifiedinvegas @ 10/04/2008 4:28:26 PM

      How shameless for you to think that Democrats would actually cheer for the "defeat" of our nation. How dare you suggest that Republicians hold a monopoly on patriotism. War supporters seem to crave a WWII style "victory" in Iraq... a parade of US tanks down main street Bagdhad with Iraqis showering our troops with flowers. That ain't going to happen. And through this perpetual foreign war we are hurting our country economically, to the point where the terrorists will achieve their goal of diminishing our way of life... we're seeing the cracks already.

      • Posted By: PleaseChange @ 10/04/2008 6:19:24 PM

        Very true. I think the problem for some people is that they can't accept the idea that our Government made a bad decision and we are up a creak. There is NO victory for an unjust war. Just look at McCain who still fighting for victory in Vietnam. He' still trying to win the war. That is what makes him so very dangerous in a time of war.

        • Posted By: Polly Tickle @ 10/06/2008 9:27:27 AM

          The correct spelling is "c-r-e-e-k". Enter Your Comment

        • Posted By: Braes @ 10/05/2008 2:36:50 PM

          He and his fascist friend, a protege of Rove, Schunemann, want a war with Russia too. The Georgia suprise backfired. They use war as a transformational policy. Look up Project for a New American Century. It is the neo-con fascist think tank.
          McCain plans 'more wars' and has said so. Wars of Agression are why we hanged Germans and Japanese after WWII. These peole are fascists. (Not conservatives..)

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/05/2008 5:08:16 PM

        We lost the war the second the first American soldier hopped on a plane to fly over there. It's an unwinnable war - the same way Vietnam was - not to mention which, it's stolen our national prosperity besides.

        The true patriots are the ones who've been speaking against the war since before it started...

  • Posted By: joemoore23 @ 10/06/2008 9:18:00 AM

    Rove is exactly right. Obama is dangerously inexperienced to lead this nation out of the economic crisis and to victory in the War on Terror. His idea of change is the same left-wing liberal talking points that we've always heard - more taxes and more spending. Regarding Biden, I hope Obama listens to what Biden has to say on foreign policy issues and does the exact opposite because Biden has been wrong on every foreign policy issue since Reagan.

  • Posted By: mldetch @ 10/06/2008 9:24:14 AM

    The reason Americans don't believe that Obama has the experience to be President is that each political office he has held has only been a stepping stone to the next political office with nothing of substance to show for the time spent at each position. the legislation he supposedly introduced in Illinois, the most time spent anywhere, was handed to him by the party bosses for him to promote. he little or nothing to do with the substance. His time in the Senate was spent writing 2 books. In the nuclear non-proliferation legislation he claims to have part ownership with Senator Lugar, he was a Johnny come lately trying to add some meaningless additions that were rejected. The only across the isle legislation that he was remotely a part of was the immigration reform, which he stepped back from and left McCain in the lurch, leaving McCain hanging in the wind. The only thing Obama is consistent in is voting PRESENT, the safest, non-committal vote any spineless weasel can make. Not that I am calling Obama a weasel. It would be degrading to weasels.

  • Posted By: Polly Tickle @ 10/06/2008 9:22:25 AM

    Uh, Mr. Rove, did you forget about GOVERNOR Romney's experience when you said she had more executive experience than any candidate? Or did he purposely omit that? In any case, you can try to pit Obama's experience vs Palin's but it doesn't wash. Mr. Obama is a thoughtful man who has explored the history of the country along with a solid knowledge of the Constitution. Ms. Palin has not shown any intellectual curiousity about our country or our Constitution and has no historical references on which to make the kind of decisions that would be required by a President. She is an empty suit and times are too perilous for someone who's all flash and no substance.

  • Posted By: olga c @ 10/06/2008 9:20:12 AM

    Palin inspires those who would vote against Obama -- racists and the hater types. She doesn't inspire anyone with intelligence. I heard her announce today at a rally that she is reading.

  • Posted By: wordsmithdan @ 10/06/2008 9:05:45 AM

    You, on the other hand, were instrumental in inflicting 8 years of George Bush and Dick Cheney on the nation. Where do you come off questioning anyone's judgment?

    • Posted By: suzvoter47 @ 10/06/2008 9:14:07 AM

      Thank you, I hope others really look at who the author is....

  • Posted By: suzvoter47 @ 10/06/2008 9:12:43 AM

    Coming from you no surprise, Palin has shown by her canned speeches and lack of intelligence that she is not fit to be the VP or God help us President. The tactics of the Rovian Era worked see where they got us....
    Lets be real the MCCain and Palin have learned well from the your camp, except the country in in up to its hip in mud and neither of them have the MORAL fortitude to undo what has been done in the past 8 years. We were fooled once... But it seems the tides are turning,,, so next resort ATTACK, McCain appears to do that well but he will not heal this country that is hurting. Biden has shown leadership for 35 years, Palin does the usual uses executive privalegde and disregards the laws she put her hand on the Bible and said she would uphold. Neither her experience and judgement give me any indications that she is fit to be in office.

    This country is looking for HOPE and from the cynical, sarcastic mean spirited win at any cost. McCain and Palin you really do tell Americans who you care about. YOURSELVES!!!!!

    Independent voter for OBAMA/BIDEN

  • Posted By: BubbaJoe @ 10/06/2008 9:12:19 AM

    I did not watch the debate because I refuse to dignify Ms. Palin or anything the GOP wants to say at this time by giving one second of my time. This is nothing short of dumbing down America! I am sad the lead is
    > not 20+ points for Obama-Biden ticket. They have mastered the art of getting people to "living poor, voting rich" with Ragan. I do not know what tomorrow holds for America (and by extension the rest of the world). This is the ultimate price we must pay for putting "the guy everyone would love to have a beer with" in such a powerful office.

    I pray for peace. I pray for Mr. Obama. I pray for sanity. Keep hope alive!

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