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  • Posted By: poddar @ 10/08/2008 1:50:36 PM

    You need to reread the article above and then read some more. At no time did the GSEs originate more than 44% of the MBS market according to government statistics. Beginning in '04, the GSE share of MBSs fell to 20% because the investment banks were allowed to create MBS thanks to Glass Steagall reform. None of that non-GSE activity would have been affected by GSE regulation. The American Thinker article is so politically motivated I wouldn't waste my time. Unfortunately, research by itself only works if the researcher has a deep understanding of the subject and seeks the truth. Any reference to extremist literature disqualifies. Ron Paul and various writers with the Cato Institute compliment Gross's common sense approach. I'll have a hard time blaming Carter, Clinton, and ACORN for the million dollar ghost subdivision on the edge of my town.

    • Posted By: celticdreaming @ 10/09/2008 11:47:00 AM

      You're right that the American Thinker article is politically motivated. That's why people should read it with a grain of salt. However it does have FACTS, well documented, also in the article concerning various regulations and housing issues that are part of the current problem. If anyone tries to lay the blame of this economy in crisis on ONE thing, then you're right. They don't have an understanding of the problem. However, I think most of the readers here at Newsweek are capable of 'understanding' the numbers and finding out the facts.
      By the way...while I agree that the American Thinker article is polically biased....are any of the actual facts it states a lie? Most of the research I have done seems to support many of it's statements. If you have other information that will correct my opinion, then please point me in the direction of it. Thanks!

  • Posted By: red2dye4 @ 10/07/2008 3:06:33 PM

    This mess is definitely due in large part to NINJA loans (no income, no job, or assets). I know here in CA, the churches told their congregations that God wanted them to own a home, that the Lord would find a way. Meanwhile, people in the congregation who worked in the mortgage industry was handing out their business cards after services. Many of these loans were made to vulnerable, uneducated, and poor people who wanted a piece of the American pie. Lack of transparancy in lending practices hurt a lot of people. I'm not saying that everyone was a poor minority, but I am saying that the churches convinced a lot of these people that the Lord helps those that help themselves. I don't know too many hardworking folk who did not even get NINJA loans who are doing all that well now. CA has a pretty large unemployment rate, even if you had been paying your mortgage and all your bills on time in the past, those days are numbered. So many people are out of work.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/07/2008 3:32:52 PM

      I think they also called them NINJA loans because, just like their namesakes, they disappear overnight with your possessions, your home, and most of your net worth...

      • Posted By: Braes @ 10/08/2008 12:42:39 AM

        Actual Ninja were honorable. (Bushido)

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/09/2008 10:53:50 AM

          Actually, the samurai were the ones who followed bushido. The ninja were thieves and mercenaries, usually. But still awesome.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 10/08/2008 12:44:53 AM

      I hope the preacher has a nice day in hell. As for the minions of Satan who handed out the cards, they are the modern day slavemaster. (regardless of color)

  • Posted By: Debbie2008 @ 10/09/2008 10:05:29 AM

    Predatory wolf mortgage lenders preying on sheep home buyers are to blame for this mortgage mess. I have little sympathy for them other than the fact that letting the lenders fail affects all of us on some level.

  • Posted By: Garnish @ 10/09/2008 9:41:26 AM

    I agree that it is incorrect (and quite intentional) to blame poor people and minorities specifically for the aggregate situation. But we should also not infantilize them. If I read one more story of the poor and/or minority person who lost his or her house after owning it outright, or having a comfortable monthly payment, because some big, bad mortgage broker convinced them to take oodles of cash out of the place I'm gong to vomit.

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/09/2008 8:56:10 AM

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  • Posted By: briman31 @ 10/09/2008 7:55:13 AM

    Not that I have all the answers but I think everyone here is missing the boat. We live in a country that people think they are entitled to more than they actually are. That part sees no socioeconomic difference. Everyone wanting what the other guys has but not willing to work for it. People are maxed out on credit cards and equity loans. Not to survive but to try and keep up.You have people working at dairy mart living in 400k homes.

  • Posted By: thomasdj @ 10/09/2008 6:59:15 AM

    Hey whs, did you actually read the article? Or do you think you've got it all figured out yourself? Please let the facts shape your conclusions, not the other way around. I know it's complicated for you people who like simple answers, particularly when they reinforce your ideology, but I bet you can do it if you try.

  • Posted By: whs806 @ 10/09/2008 6:38:05 AM

    The problem is not with the poor people, the problem is with legislation that mandated loaning $ to people with bad credit who could not repay their loans. Thanks to Jimmy Carter's CRA and Bill Clinton mandating these loans. And congress, Chris Dodd, Barney Franks, SEC's Chris Dod and others who were anti-regulatation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac while the GSE's made large congritutions to Dodd, Franks, and Obama. They all should be investigated for FRAUD!

  • Posted By: whs806 @ 10/09/2008 6:38:04 AM

    The problem is not with the poor people, the problem is with legislation that mandated loaning $ to people with bad credit who could not repay their loans. Thanks to Jimmy Carter's CRA and Bill Clinton mandating these loans. And congress, Chris Dodd, Barney Franks, SEC's Chris Dod and others who were anti-regulatation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac while the GSE's made large congritutions to Dodd, Franks, and Obama. They all should be investigated for FRAUD!

  • Posted By: amRN @ 10/09/2008 2:55:38 AM

    News Flash thanks to the leadership that has been in place for the last eight years America is already forever changed. Wake up even your CONSERVATIVE candidate is calling for CHANGE. It's his new platform the maverick that can reform Washington and fix the mess that his buddies left behind.

  • Posted By: amRN @ 10/09/2008 2:54:42 AM

    News Flash thanks to the leadership that has been in place for the last eight years America is already forever changed. Wake up even your CONSERVATIVE candidate is calling for CHANGE. It's his new platform the maverick that can reform Washington and fix the mess that his buddies left behind.

  • Posted By: izme @ 10/09/2008 12:26:56 AM

    VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE
    The upcoming election is the most critical election in the history of our nation. The very future of our nation???s foundation is at stake. Every person will be affected. If the liberals win, then our foundation will no longer be based on traditional morality. It will gradually but assuredly be based on an ever shifting, ever moving foundation. If the liberals win, the damage can???t be stopped with elections two, four or forty years from now. America will forever be changed. We will keep seeing a gradual and growing hostility toward people of faith. The morals of our nation will continue to decline. Our children and grandchildren will pay the price.

  • Posted By: bslies @ 10/08/2008 11:08:47 PM

    Very nice Marxist rant there Gross. He'd be happy....maybe you're related ;-)

  • Posted By: Foundations of Stone @ 10/08/2008 8:46:29 PM

    The race card. Really?!!! Come on. Weak!

    I can just see the arian nation right sitting there saying, "let's see if we can blame this on the minorities." That just makes tons of sense. Hope you are reading the sarcasm, because I am laying it on pretty thick. Do you really think people think like that?!! or are you just trying to get a read?

    Being part of the right, I am not blaming the minorities. We are all culpable. I am blaming the morons in this country who thought property value could never go down, despite outpacing incomes significantly, and lent huge amounts of money based on that (a strategy wholly based on a bailout, whether from property that doesn't devalue or from now the government). I am also blaming the "entitlement" morons who despite being unable to balance a $1 dollar budget in the dollar store and who despite a long history of not working in school, at their jobs, and on their careers feel they are entitled to a mcMansion, an SUV, flat screen tvs, and jewelry and feel the hard working folks should make sure they have it. I am blaming the rest of us who let it go unchecked for so long and didn't tell our friends, neighbors, family, etc. to beware.

    At long last the age of entitlement has received its just dues.

    This crash has been a long time coming, going back 20+ years now. It's like an obese person. It didn't just happen overnight or because no one was minding the store. It happened over years, and as a result of not exercising (in the case of the economy the brain or a conscience) and eating bad (sucking down the sugar of the ever prevelant and invasive media selling stories of growth and wealth with catch phrases like "biggest run up ever" and masked truths all to make a dime). And now the obese person has had a heart attack, and while not dead, is in for an expensive surgery (losses in the millions and financial scars), a long recovery, and fundamental lifestyle changes (how we consume media, a financial education not provided in schools, and what we feel is just and right) to survive.

    So, uninformed, opinionated crap, like this article, doesn't help the discussion or the resolution it simply is a last gasp attempt to make even more money off an already sick situation, like the insurance guy sitting on your bed telling you his company isn't going to pay, and hes just doing his job. Let's start talking solutions and quit playing the blame game, left, right, black, yellow, white, red, green. And let's please teach people how to muddle through the media garbage, since media doesn't seem to want to regulate itself either for the good of the whole.

  • Posted By: craziness101 @ 10/08/2008 4:43:44 PM

    No one with intelligence is blaming the poor. It all goes back to LOWERING THE STANDARDS on lending and giving funds to those who were not in a position to pay it back, whether rich or poor. Without Fannie and Freddie creating a secondary market in which garbage loans were bought from lenders most of this would not have occured. A private firm would not have bought these loans from lenders who had no standards. These lenders would have simply been dealt with by the market place as they would not have been able to replenish capital and went bankrupt. Only firms that gave heathly loans would have found a buyer. Instead Fannie and Freddie as GSE's bought anything, no questions asked which aloud the bad mortgage companies to replenish capital and make more and more bad loans. If you could give a loan to a dog and sell that loan to Fannie no questions asked within a couple of weeks and make your nice cut without worrying if that dog ever makes one payment, would you? Maybe most wouldn't, but a good number would because it is just to easy to make quick money. How anyone doesn't see the Democrats and their policy of lowering standard's connection to all of this I have no words for your ignorance. Where does the majority of the blame lie? With stupid Americans who bought more then they could afford. Secondly greedy mortgage lenders who participated in predatory lending. There is no doubt though that there have always been stupid americans who would buy too much and greedy lenders who would lend too much but without the Govs (pushed by Dems) policy of allowing Fannie and Freddie to completely do away with any standards this could not have occurred. My main question is why if the republicans had control over most the last decade, why were they not able to push the necessary oversight/regulations through? I know they tried and Dems got in the way, but in the end it is mostly their fault because they had control and didn't get what needed to be done accomplished. All of our leaders are idiots. I am voting Barack, but that doesn't mean I have to be blind to dumb Dem policies. Everyone stop all the stupid partisanship and mind your finances. If we did that in the first place no business or government policy could have caused this. This article is mildly informative. I expect more from Newsweek.

  • Posted By: craziness101 @ 10/08/2008 4:31:12 PM

    Yes, no one is blaming the poor. It all goes back to LOWERING THE STANDARDS on lending and giving funds to those who were not in a position to pay it back, whether rich or poor. Without Fannie and Freddie creating a secondary market in which garbage loans were bought from lenders most of this would not have occured. No private firm would have bought these loans from lenders with no standards, these lenders would have simply been dealt with by the market place as they would not have been able to replenish capital and went bankrupt. Instead Fannie and Freddie bought anything, no questions asked which aloud the bad mortgage companies to replenish capital and make more and more bad loans. How anyone doesn't see the Democrats connection to this Fannie and Freddie policy I do not know. Where does the majority of the blame lie? With stupid Americans who bought more then they could afford. Secondly greedy mortgage lenders who participated in predatory lending. There is no doubt though that there have always been stupid americans who would buy too much and greedy lenders who would lend too much but without the Govs (pushed by Dems) policy of allowing Fannie and Freddie to completely do away with any standards this could not have occurred. My main question is why if the republicans had control over most the last decade, why were they not able to push the necessary oversight/regulations through? I know they tried and Dems got in the way, but in the end it is mostly their fault because they had control and didn't get what needed to be done accomplished. All of our leaders are idiots. I am voting Barack, but that doesn't mean I have to be blind to dumb Dem policies. Everyone stop all the stupid partisanship and mind your finances. If we did that in the first place no business or government policy could have caused this.

  • Posted By: quasqueton @ 10/08/2008 3:16:08 PM

    To ybjzxp: Agreed. I had to jump through so many hoops before a mortgage was agreed to, and that I could make my monthly payments - which I did. My brother works in the title insurance business in Arizona - Phoenix area, and he just appalled about all the loans banks were making.

    • Posted By: ybljzxp @ 10/08/2008 3:47:33 PM

      I too had to jump through hoops when I bought my home in 2000 from my local credit union and I had a great job, great credit and had to put up a down payment, but they were simply doing their due diligence. Sadly, these very credit unions that didn't (or better wouldn't) make subprime loans were hurt by being unable to compete with the banks who did. Now these very credit unions are still healthy, viable banks and will likely continue to be hurt due to the subprime banks getting the bailouts using their customer's tax dollars.

      • Posted By: quasqueton @ 10/08/2008 4:10:12 PM

        I borrowed from the Independence, Iowa, Federal Savings & Loan. Luckily they didn't put any money into the big swindle, that cost most of the other thrifts. Anyway, my name is John, and I filed for bankruptcy 2 years ago, and I still get love letters from the IRS. Life is good, nice day, trees are changing, roof over my head, and food on the table.

  • Posted By: think4yourself @ 10/08/2008 4:03:45 PM

    It is up to the Media and American Citizens to find out if Obama Ever sent a letter about the Bailout. There is evidence according to C-Span that he DID NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Finally Good news! You cant stop the truth!

    After much protesting - Hulu.com brought back the Saturday Night Live Congress Bailout skit back. CHECK IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/38041/saturday-night-live-washington-approves-the-bailout#s-p1-st-i1

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/07/2008 1:04:10 PM

    The link below contains a purported list of the top 25 in Congress who got contributions from the folks at Fannie and Freddie. Obama is listed third, after Dodd and Kerry, even though Obama is just a junior Senator. Obama is followed next by Clinton. Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are on the list as well.

    http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

    Then there is the Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher J. Dodd who allegedly got special mortgage deals from Countrywide, who gave preferential rates to 'friends' of company's chairman.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25140560/

    For an interesting article purporting to detail the House Financial Services Committee Chairs long history with Fannie Mae, See http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx

    "House Financial Services Committee Chair promoted GSEs while former 'spouse' was Fannie Mae executive."

    The link below describes how some in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN, a group Obama has a long association with. See:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    And then there is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who allegedly has directed nearly $100,000 from her political action committee to her husband's real estate and investment firm.

    http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/01/pelosis-pac-pays-bills-for-spouses-firm.

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 10/07/2008 3:15:16 PM

      I suggest you give your posts a little thought or a little less deception.
      Aside from siting questionable opinion articles that fudge on facts, "purporting" (claiming) this and that, your premise is either non-existant or makes no sense.
      1) ACORN is a non-profit group that tries to get voters to register, and has nothing to do with a banking or mortgage crisis. (Obama worked for them for a short time back before he graduated from law school. That's your "long running relationship".)
      2) You ought to read the article as it points out that businesses decided to do the sub-prime mortgages not because they were pressured by anyone, but out of greed because they could get away with it.
      3) You talk about Dodd as if he was Phil Gramm. (Different party.) Gram is the guy who was chair of the Senate Banking Committee when everything went wrong. In contrast, Dodd first chaired the committee in 2007, and inherited this mess. (A little spin for ya. He's been in the Senate for a long time even if not chairing Phil Grams committee at the time, but can hardly be held to the same level as Phil Gramm.)
      4) You mention Obama getting contributions from what essentially amounts to employees (like janitors) of those companies, but fail to mention that those contributions total less than 1% of his contributions. You also fail to mention that the contributions to McCains campaign manager dwarfs the contributions to all the people you mentioned combined. (This is because he was lobbying for them up until a month ago.)
      5) You miss the fact that in this case, the issue is not who got how much money from which company, but who did away with the regulations that caused this mess. (Hint: They work for the McCain campaign.)

      Here's a link to some info you conspicuously left out.
      http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9663_mccain_fannie_freddie.html

      Clear back in 1998, there were concerns about what might happen with Gramm:
      http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5553/is_199811/ai_n22376270

      The only common theme here is you don't want people to vote for a Democrat.

      • Posted By: wcor242 @ 10/08/2008 12:49:09 PM

        ACORN was also raided today in Nevada for voter fraud, How about that !
        In the early 90's they came out with something called a credit score which eliminated the need for Loans for the poor, because if your poor and have a good credit score you get a home loan if not renting isnt so bad, I kind of wish I was a renter at this point since I am also upside down on my home

        • Posted By: BetsyY @ 10/08/2008 3:53:03 PM

          I worked for Acorn for a little while (a BIG mistake). They have both an organizing wing and a housing assistance program that operates completely separately from what I understand. But BOTH are corrupt and aim to exploit the poor. They have been sued by their members more than once! I am now an actual community organizer and a reluctant Obama supporter (actually I would vote for Cynthia McKinney if she had a shot). Perhaps ACORN wasn't a phony org when Obama was with it (or maybe he didn't realize it was - it took me awhile to figure it out) but it surely is now.

      • Posted By: wcor242 @ 10/08/2008 1:00:00 PM

        ALSO, Here is some data on the innocent ACORN: which is not just for signing up voters fraudulently

        Which brings us to the Fannie Mae Foundation. A sweet little set up for handing out cash to a nice little outfit called ACORN among others. Here are a few of the grants to ACORN.

        ACORN Housing Corporation - Dallas

        Dallas, TX $20,000 approved in 1993

        Support of a housing counseling program.

        ACORN Housing Corporation - Little Rock

        Little Rock, AR $1,000 approved in 1997

        Ninth Maxwell Awards of Excellence honorable mention grant for a 9-unit affordable homeownership project using sweat equity.

        ACORN Housing Corporation - Washington, DC

        Washington, DC $3,386 approved in 1994

        Support of computer equipment necessary to operate the Desktop Home Counselor.

        ACORN Housing Corporation of Illinois

        Chicago, IL $3,386 approved in 1994

        Support of the purchase of computer equipment required to operate the Desktop Home Counselor.

        ACORN Housing Corporation of Illinois

        Chicago, IL $35,000 approved in 1994

        Support of the placement of Americorps members with homeownership counseling programs.

        ACORN Housing Corporation-National

        Chicago, IL $100,000 approved in 2004

        General operating support of an organization that helps families of limited means to secure and protect decent housing by providing housing counseling services, building homes, and educating policy makers in Chicago, IL; Phoenix, AZ; and Brooklyn, NY

        OK so ACORN helps people who were barely qualified or totally unqualified get housing. So what would they be doing? Finding landlords who would rent to them? Well no. Landlords want to get paid. Fannie Mae had no such scruples. Ever hear of NINJA mortgages? Funny name, huh? It stand for No Income, No Job, No Assets. Just the kind of reliable folk honest lenders are looking for. People with a credit score of ???.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 10/08/2008 12:54:04 AM

        I owe you a beer.

    • Posted By: Newsweekbhg @ 10/07/2008 1:34:34 PM

      Since we are in the mood for "truth" telling---is McCains close advisor listed here as well?

  • Posted By: BetsyY @ 10/08/2008 3:45:52 PM

    Sadly it was not just the right wingers who jumped on the blame-the-poor bandwagon. SNL had a bad skit who implied that Black (and lazy) homeowners were part of the problem. And actually Oprah was one of them too! As she had a CNN finanical "expert" earlier this week who sure enough - blamed homeowners who didn't make payments as part of the problem. And Oprah didn't object. She just stood there and basically agreed with him. Such moralism and condecension from someone who is one of the richest women in the world! Thankfully several days later Senator Obama put the proper priority on placing blame at the feet of the Wall Street tycoons. Oprah should apologize! I would say the same for Krauthammer (or whatever his name is) and his fellow crooked journalists, but that just seems like dreaming...Sadly it was not just the right wingers who jumped on the blame-the-poor bandwagon. SNL had a bad skit who implied that Black (and lazy) homeowners were part of the problem. And actually Oprah was one of them too! As she had a CNN finanical "expert" earlier this week who sure enough - blamed homeowners who didn't make payments as part of the problem. And Oprah didn't object. She just stood there and basically agreed with him. Such moralism and condecension from someone who is one of the richest women in the world! Thankfully several days later Senator Obama put the proper priority on placing blame at the feet of the Wall Street tycoons. Oprah should apologize! I would say the same for Krauthammer (or whatever his name is) and his fellow crooked journalists, but that just seems like dreaming...

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