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  • Posted By: izme @ 10/09/2008 9:07:06 AM

    Factcheck.org states that Obama's statement about cutting taxes for 95% of Americans is false. It states that 20% will receive a tax increase.
    So my calculations are: 40% out of the remaining 80% don't make enough to pay taxes. So only 40% of Americans will not receive tax increases. BUT Obama wants to repeal the current Bush tax cuts. SO THAT MEANS AN AUTOMATIC TAX INCREASE FOR ALL. Lots of double talk going on here. BEWARE OF THIS GUY ...he is a fast talking politician. No change there. He is worse than we have ever seen.
    McCain does not plan to change any taxes He wants to leave things as they are.

  • Posted By: tippology1 @ 10/09/2008 7:50:26 AM

    Also just a quick comment notice all the states Obama has a lead in. Most if not all of those states are dealing the voter fraud as well lead by ACRON, a organization that is deeply involved with Obama. Just a thought, people, just a thought...I feel its just too many things coming up directly related with Obama and the American public doesnt care..... This is a joke of a election and the democrats and the media is all behind it.......

  • Posted By: izme @ 10/09/2008 12:29:01 AM

    VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE
    The upcoming election is the most critical election in the history of our nation. The very future of our nation???s foundation is at stake. Every person will be affected. If the liberals win, then our foundation will no longer be based on traditional morality. It will gradually but assuredly be based on an ever shifting, ever moving foundation. If the liberals win, the damage can???t be stopped with elections two, four or forty years from now. America will forever be changed. We will keep seeing a gradual and growing hostility toward people of faith,. The morals of our nation will continue to decline. Our children and grandchildren will pay the price.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/08/2008 11:48:23 PM

    Obama is at 264 Electoral Votes, all thats needed is [270]

    Aint that America.....Something to see.

    John Cougar Mellencamp

    Aint That America


    This is a Young Country and it should be lead by a Young Man and having Joe Biden by his side, is a Good Thing....

    Aint That America

    Something to See Baby !!!!

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/08/2008 11:35:58 PM

    Former Kissinger Assistant:

    "Obama Knows More [About Foreign Policy] Than Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton When They Were Elected"


    The Philadelphian is a high-rise condominium overlooking the classical columns of the Philadelphia Museum of Art, with picturesque views of the Schuylkill River and the verdant Benjamin Franklin Parkway. Many of the Philadelphian's residents are retired and a considerable number of them are Jewish. On October 4, Tony Lake, foreign policy adviser to Barack Obama and National Security Adviser in the Clinton Administration, addressed a gathering of 200 Jewish voters at the condominium. Ted Mann, a nationally revered leader in the Jewish community, introduced Lake. Mann's distinctions include serving as co-chair of the Conference of Presidents of Jewish Organizations, President of the American Jewish Congress, and Chair of the National Conference of Soviet Jewry, among other leadership roles. Mann has endorsed Obama and spoke directly to the rumors and smears about the Democratic Presidential nominee being targeted to Jewish voters.

    "There have never been as many falsehoods about a candidate's religion being perpetuated by the Republicans as there have been this year," Mann said, explaining that, because of the mendacious rumors, he felt the need to name Obama advisers who are Jewish including such well known figures as David Axelrod, Robert Rubin and the guest speaker, Tony Lake.

    Before he began his presentation, Lake asked for a show of hands to determine how many undecided voters were in the audience. To his pleasant surprise, there was only one undecided; everyone else in the audience was an Obama supporter. Lake has been working for Obama since 2002 and he explained that, although he has been a "foreign policy nerd" for decades, this is the first time he has actively campaigned for a candidate. "This campaign" he said, "has excited me like no campaign since 1960 and I'm enthusiastically working for Barack." Early in his career, Lake was an assistant to Henry Kissinger in the Nixon administration, but left after disagreeing with Nixon's Cambodia policy. Since then he has had a first-row seat in evaluating the foreign policy approaches of several administrations. Describing himself as non-partisan, Lake said he has voted for both Democratic and Republican candidates and believes Obama has the qualities necessary to be a great leader on foreign policy and a friend to Israel.

    "As a Jew," Lake said, "I'm certain that Obama is good for our community," and he outlined the qualities required of a great leader, qualities he believe Obama possesses: authenticity, change (he believes Obama embodies change), experience, and vision (not of where America is in the world, but a vision of America itself).

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/08/2008 11:19:17 PM

    Source: Washington Independent

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enpc6_lqw7Y

    Petraeus Talk

    By Spencer Ackerman 10/8/08 4:16 PM

    Gen. David Petraeus (WDCpix)

    Throughout Sen. John McCain???s presidential campaign, the Republican nominee has wrapped himself in the mantle of U.S. Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, proclaiming himself the leading advocate of the former commanding general in Iraq who devised last year???s controversial troop surge. Yet during a talk Wednesday about Iraq at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative Washington policy organization, Petraeus repeatedly made statements that bolstered the foreign-policy proposals of Sen. Barack Obama, McCain???s Democratic rival, or cut against McCain???s own lines.


    Petraeus relinquished command in Iraq last month. He assumes responsibility for U.S. Central Command later this month, putting him in charge of U.S. forces in the Middle East and South Asia.

    As a serving military officer, Petraeus attempted to avoid any explicit political discussion. ???I???m not walking into minefields now,??? Petraeus said, to laughter, when asked a question that referred to Tuesday night???s presidential debate. In fact, the general averred that he didn???t watch the debate.


    Yet Petraeus, whether intentionally or not, often waded into areas of dispute between Obama and McCain involving Afghanistan, negotiating with adversaries and other recent campaign controversies. Each time, the general either lent tacit support to Obama or denied tacit support to McCain.


    Unbidden, Petraeus discussed whether his strategy in Iraq ??? protecting the population while cleaving apart the insurgency through reconciliation efforts to crush the remaining hard-core enemies ??? could also work in Afghanistan. The question has particular salience as Petraeus takes over U.S. Central Command, which will put him at the helm of all U.S. troops in the Middle East and South Asia, thereby giving him a large role in the Afghanistan war.


    ???Some of the concepts used in Iraq are transplantable [to Afghanistan] while others perhaps are not,??? he said. ???Every situation is unique.
    ???

    Petraeus pointed to efforts by Hamid Karzai???s government to negotiate a deal with the Taliban that would potentially bring some Taliban members back to power, saying that if they are ???willing to reconcile,??? it would be ???a positive step.
    ???

    In saying that, Petraeus implicitly allied with U.S. Army Gen. David McKiernan, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan. Last week, McKiernan rejected the idea of replicating the blend of counterinsurgency strategy employed in Iraq.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/08/2008 11:19:00 PM

    Source: Washington Independent

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enpc6_lqw7Y

    Petraeus Talk

    By Spencer Ackerman 10/8/08 4:16 PM

    Gen. David Petraeus (WDCpix)

    Throughout Sen. John McCain???s presidential campaign, the Republican nominee has wrapped himself in the mantle of U.S. Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, proclaiming himself the leading advocate of the former commanding general in Iraq who devised last year???s controversial troop surge. Yet during a talk Wednesday about Iraq at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative Washington policy organization, Petraeus repeatedly made statements that bolstered the foreign-policy proposals of Sen. Barack Obama, McCain???s Democratic rival, or cut against McCain???s own lines.


    Petraeus relinquished command in Iraq last month. He assumes responsibility for U.S. Central Command later this month, putting him in charge of U.S. forces in the Middle East and South Asia.

    As a serving military officer, Petraeus attempted to avoid any explicit political discussion. ???I???m not walking into minefields now,??? Petraeus said, to laughter, when asked a question that referred to Tuesday night???s presidential debate. In fact, the general averred that he didn???t watch the debate.


    Yet Petraeus, whether intentionally or not, often waded into areas of dispute between Obama and McCain involving Afghanistan, negotiating with adversaries and other recent campaign controversies. Each time, the general either lent tacit support to Obama or denied tacit support to McCain.


    Unbidden, Petraeus discussed whether his strategy in Iraq ??? protecting the population while cleaving apart the insurgency through reconciliation efforts to crush the remaining hard-core enemies ??? could also work in Afghanistan. The question has particular salience as Petraeus takes over U.S. Central Command, which will put him at the helm of all U.S. troops in the Middle East and South Asia, thereby giving him a large role in the Afghanistan war.


    ???Some of the concepts used in Iraq are transplantable [to Afghanistan] while others perhaps are not,??? he said. ???Every situation is unique.
    ???

    Petraeus pointed to efforts by Hamid Karzai???s government to negotiate a deal with the Taliban that would potentially bring some Taliban members back to power, saying that if they are ???willing to reconcile,??? it would be ???a positive step.
    ???

    In saying that, Petraeus implicitly allied with U.S. Army Gen. David McKiernan, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan. Last week, McKiernan rejected the idea of replicating the blend of counterinsurgency strategy employed in Iraq.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/08/2008 11:04:07 PM

    Anyone who thinks theres much Difference between a Democrat or a Republican, needs to Deprogram yourselves Quickly.

    All Politicians answers to the CFR and Most are Blood Related, as well as being Chosen or hand picked...fact

    The Rockefeller's Control this Region, called North America.

    David Rockefeller controls BOTH PARTIES.....

    The CFR, The FED and other Organizations Control BOTH PARTIES...

    Thats why there is an [Electoral College]

    The Population Rarely Chooses the President.

    34 of all your Presidernts in America are Blood Related ...Period.

    This is a fact and its not by Accident.

    John Kerry is George W. Bush's Blood Cousin and this will not Change, simple and plain.

    You had better acknowledge the True Rulers-Controllers of this Society...

    The Rockefeller's are this Nation's Royalty and you all had better pay Homage, because you can't do a Damn Thing about their System, but Exist in it or sink or swim in it !!!

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/08/2008 10:45:56 PM

    Obama Opposes McCain Home Plan AND HERES WHY....

    By POLITICO STAFF |

    After Tuesday???s debate, the Obama campaign e-mailed a statement accusing Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) of STEALING THE IDEA for his Homeowner Bailout from Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

    NOTE: The statement, ???John McCain Lies Tonight,??? began: ???McCain today said he had a new plan to allow the Treasury to purchase and restructure mortgages. The truth is that this is not a New Proposal and is already part of the Rescue Plan that was signed into law.

    [It was Obama, not McCain who called for this Move Two Weeks Ago]

    On Wednesday afternoon, the Obama campaign's economic policy director, Jason Furman, issued a statement opposing the plan.

    NOTE: The Obama campaign says the reason for the opposition is that when the McCain campaign revealed details of the plan Wednesday, it became clear that Taxpayers would be Guaranteed to Lose Money, and Financial Institutions who Helped caused the problem would be BENEFICIARIES.

    Politico's Ben Smith reported from a conference call with McCain senior adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin: "Taxpayers would Directly Pick up the Tab for the Difference in COST between a Homeowner???s Old, Too-Expensive Mortgage and the Cheaper one provided by the Government."

    The plan would be a better deal for taxpayers if the bad mortgages were bought at a discount.

    Here is Furman's statement: ???Senator McCain???s first response to this economic crisis was to say that the fundamentals of our economy are strong. Since then, he???s acknowledged that there is a crisis and offered multiple plans, sometimes conflicting. Last night, in his latest attempt to get it right, he threw out a proposal that appeared to give the Treasury authority it already has to restructure troubled mortgages. But now that he???s finally released the details of his plan, it turns out it???s even more costly and out of touch than we ever imagined. John McCain wants the government to massively overpay for mortgages in a plan that would guarantee taxpayers lose money, and put them at risk of losing even more if home values don???t recover. The biggest beneficiaries of this plan will be the same financial institutions that got us into this mess, some of whom even committed fraud.

    ???Since this beginning of this crisis, Barack Obama has demanded that any rescue plan must protect taxpayers and ensure that they share in any profit once the economy recovers, and he worked to include that principle in the plan that passed Congress. John McCain???s plan to overpay for bad mortgages by handing taxpayer dollars over to big financial institutions is erratic policymaking at its worst, and it???s not the change we need to strengthen our economy, create new jobs and keep Americans in their homes.???

    • Posted By: AhfganSolja @ 10/08/2008 11:00:29 PM

      yeah did you know the plan was going to raise 300 million dollars in taxes to whom the middle class who don't own homes, plus its not considered stealing if the same plan is already in effect.

  • Posted By: AhfganSolja @ 10/08/2008 10:56:43 PM

    You know I was leaning towards Mccain up until his GOP convention when he introduced Sarah Palin. My jaw dropped and my heart sunk, and thought if Mccain bites the dust and God forbid really God forbid Sarah Palin would be the President SCCAAAARRRRY! Good news is I am still undecided I wished there was a third party candidate though.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/08/2008 10:52:42 PM

    If this election cycle has demonstrated anything, it is that in order to preserve democracy in this country, it is passed time we reconsidered the additional protections provided the media by the Supreme Court in New York Times v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964), which protects the media from most slander and libel suits. While perhaps noble at the time in its conception, the media has abundantly demonstrated that for the advancement of their own political agenda, on both sides, and to fill the demands of the 24/7 news cycle, they are willing to abandon any pretense of objectivity or, more importantly, of journalistic ethics. Since they cannot exercise the power they have been given responsibly on their own, perhaps it is necessary to return the threat of legal sanction under which they operated prior to 1964.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan

  • Posted By: Halfpintone @ 10/08/2008 1:52:28 PM

    I find it embarassing that "every" news station and newspaper staffer is for Obama. Has anyone actually "watched" the debates?? Last night was clearly one sided, McCain made a total fool out of his running mate. It's amazing to me that no one in the media pays attention to the points that are made. Who has the most experience? And who "always" goes around the question without answering it. Yes, the choice is clear who is the best for the job. Obama has no experience, his wife is a "clear" racist and the facts are hard to ignore. Wake up people! We really don't have a "clear" choice, but one is much better than the other!

    • Posted By: Pandora'sBox @ 10/08/2008 1:56:44 PM

      how do you marry a racist ,have a racist as a preacher and friends that are terroists against america and stay as lily white as obama? who is really wearing the lipstick?

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 9:19:34 PM

        You..the pig with the lipstick. What shade do you prefer, Pandora? Do you even know what a Pandora's Box is? I doubt it.

        • Posted By: Pandora'sBox @ 10/08/2008 9:26:15 PM

          whats the matter harley ,did I stike a nerve? your getting off subject .perhaps you need an anger management session

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 10:43:08 PM

            Hey, dope, I'm not Harley.

  • Posted By: izme @ 10/08/2008 5:30:28 PM

    ACORN endorsed Obama's presidential campaign, an endorsement touted on Obama's official website.

    • Posted By: nodnarb @ 10/08/2008 9:22:51 PM

      Enter Your Comment Where is the "Main stream Media "with all this fraud?

  • Posted By: grrgto @ 10/08/2008 6:24:48 PM

    PALIN!!! You go Girl!

    I heard her today on the stump... "Sen. McCain talked about solving the problems and OBAMA Talked about beating BUSH in the upcomming election" Take that Democrats!

    How you gonna beat BUSH in 2008, besides you tried in 2000, tried harder and CHEATED with ACORN in 2004 but lost both times!
    CLINTON NEVER Got more than %47 of the Vote either!
    We know why You guys were so pissed in 2004... becuase ACORN overstuffed the ballot boxes, they figured NO WAY you would lose! We turned out then and McCain/Palin will motivate us even more this time!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 9:22:23 PM

      Palin..you go girl..all the way back to Alaska...where you will be going in Nov! Happy moose hunting.

    • Posted By: izme @ 10/08/2008 6:34:10 PM

      I loved that line too!! She said that Obama would rather run against George Bush than McCain.

      • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/08/2008 7:49:05 PM

        McCain would rather run against [Hillary Clinton]

        Had Hillary Clinton not Roasted and Toasted McCain at the DNC, by No How No Way, No McCain,

        McCain would've surely tried to

        A) Asked her to run as his Running Mate or

        B) Asked for her Support and her Followers....

        That has'nt Panned out either.....Hahahaha !!!

        With all this Sarah Palin Bull-Spit...Palin has Not Helped him, with the Desired Demographic [Females]


        Reality is a Mother...Huh

        Hahahahahaha !!!!

  • Posted By: scubbieduu @ 10/08/2008 8:11:07 PM

    The trouble with Democrats is:.Democrats are vicious screaming babies if they don't get their way...it's always someone else's fault. Democrats cannot think for themselves...follow the leader and only see what the leader want them to see. They totally ignore reality and live in a 'pretend' world. They will surely be amazed when they wake up and find out why Barry Obama changed his name to Hussian Obama...if he wins this Presidential election. Better vote for McCain a real American who has always loved this country and has always been proud to be an American...no Terrorist on his list of friends, never have been, never will be. With Sarah Palin as our Vice President the economy and security of American will be a done deal.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 9:17:29 PM

      Scubbiedope-what th eheck are you ranting and rambling about? We're not screaming..we're winning and you are the Big, CRYBABY, SORE LOSER. Go chew on a bone.

    • Posted By: tlm041260 @ 10/08/2008 8:14:01 PM

      I'm a Democrat, can you hear me crying all the way to the White House?! WHAAAAAAAAA .....Go OBAMA/BIDEN!!!!

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 9:15:59 PM

        Yeah, me too, I'm crying my eyes out because Obama/Biden are on a winning streak!

        Obama/Biden 08! All the way to the White House!

  • Posted By: izme @ 10/07/2008 11:04:49 PM

    Did you pick up on Obama's Socialist vision of America? He wants EVERYTHING to be equal and fair. Life isn't fair. It's like telling Americans...You better not be more successful than anyone else in this country, because that just isn't FAIR.
    He's a guy that flys around the country in a private jet, lives in a Chicago mansion, had his Harvard education paid by a rich Saudi Arabian, eats at the best places and sleeps in the best hotels and I feel that IT JUST ISN"T FAIR to the rest of us. He needs to give each and everyone of us some of his wealth.

    • Posted By: Kimo @ 10/07/2008 11:16:09 PM

      izme--You're a true McCain supporter ... and just like McCain, you lie just as well as he does. Obama attended Harvard through a well earned scholarship. Everybody knows that. It's well documented on the internet. So go ahead and keep on lying and make a jerk of yourself.

      • Posted By: izme @ 10/07/2008 11:36:19 PM

        Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour a/k/a Donald Warden paid for Obama's Harvard education.
        He is a Saudi and a PLO leader.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 9:12:44 PM

          Show proof of this lie or chill...in other words, put up or shut up!

        • Posted By: MichiganLoyal @ 10/07/2008 11:53:21 PM

          This is totally unsubstantiated information, and just perpetuates the far reaching tactics to tie Obama to anything and everything that the right-republicans can use as an excuse to say Obama and terrorist or un-American in the same sentence.

  • Posted By: izme @ 10/08/2008 5:25:58 PM

    During Obama???s time on the Woods Funds ACORN received grants of $45,000 (2000), $30,000 (2001), $45,000 (2001), $30,000 (2002), and $40,000 (2002) from the Woods Fund. (Obama in the early 1990???s helped train ACORN organizers and later served as counsel in 1995 for ACORN in a ???motor voter??? registration lawsuit.) And ACORN certainly appreciated whatever assistance Obama afforded the radical organization over the years.

    • Posted By: nodnarb @ 10/08/2008 9:04:47 PM

      Why doesn"t Newsweek report on this?

      • Posted By: Pandora'sBox @ 10/08/2008 9:09:20 PM

        none of the news sites I have been on tonight offer much on this subject..a small blip hidden in the corner. Thank You izme for the information.

  • Posted By: izme @ 10/08/2008 5:11:34 PM

    During Obama???s tenure on the board of the charitable Chicago Woods Fund, he helped channel funds to the notorious socialist activist group, ACORN:

    During Obama???s time on the Woods Funds ACORN received grants of $45,000 (2000), $30,000 (2001), $45,000 (2001), $30,000 (2002), and $40,000 (2002) from the Woods Fund. (Obama in the early 1990???s helped train ACORN organizers and later served as counsel in 1995 for ACORN in a ???motor voter??? registration lawsuit.) And ACORN certainly appreciated whatever assistance Obama afforded the radical organization over the years.

    • Posted By: nodnarb @ 10/08/2008 9:08:17 PM

      Enter Your Comment Where is Time Newsweek, ABC, NBC, CBS with all this info????

  • Posted By: painters40 @ 10/08/2008 6:03:15 PM

    I am appalled at McCain referring to Obama as "that one".....how racist can you get?? Why is there no public outrage about this????????Did McCain ever refer to McCain as 'that one?" Absolutely unconscionable. Would you want this racist to be President???????

    • Posted By: Morgan2008 @ 10/08/2008 7:30:30 PM

      Yes, I would rather see John McCain be president, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with him calling that liar "that one". There is nothing racist at all in his remark. Just like Geraldine Ferraro said in the primary... Barack Obama would not have been considered at all in the primary race with his thin resume if he had been a white man. Hussein Obama has gotten away with far too much by playing the race card. In the words of Dennis Miller, "it is not the color of his skin that bothers me, it is the thinness of his skin that bothers me" he is such a whiner when everything doesn't go his way and so are many of his supporters whiners and always ready to use the race card when someone points out that Barack is a liar with a record different from his talk. Obama is trying to lie and talk his way into the White House and many of us who are democrats are not buying it, and we are voting for McCain/Palin. This guy, Obama, plays underhanded and dirty politics and if you can't see it, you should take off your rose colored glasses. NOBAMA!!! NOBAMA!!! NOBAMA!!!
      McCain/Palin on November 4, 2008

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 9:07:12 PM

        Morgan, too bad your old candidate is on a major losing streak, and my young Obama is running away with the polls and electoral college.....forgive me for gloating but you deserve it...you are a racist... now, get lost.

    • Posted By: nodnarb @ 10/08/2008 8:55:45 PM

      just ask Biden he called him nice and clean

  • Posted By: izme @ 10/08/2008 5:14:47 PM

    In the 1980s, groups such as the activists at ACORN began pushing charges of ???redlining??? - claims that banks discriminated against minorities in mortgage lending. In 1989, sympathetic members of Congress got the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act amended to force banks to collect racial data on mortgage applicants; this allowed various studies to be ginned up that seemed to validate the original accusation.

    In fact, minority mortgage applications were rejected more frequently than other applications - but the overwhelming reason wasn???t racial discrimination, but simply that minorities tend to have weaker finances.

    • Posted By: nodnarb @ 10/08/2008 9:06:15 PM

      Enter Your Comment Don't bother Clinton and Carter with the facts

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