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  • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 10/08/2008 11:46:21 PM

    Did it not occur to the pundants and the geniuses running McCain's campaign -- who all seemed to think that the town meting format was "his" kind of event -- that talking to a 100 or so devoted supporters who had already deciced to vote for him would be appreaciably different from addressing several million people in an event staged for national television and in which the live audience was composed of people who were instructed to remain neutral, whatever their own political persuasions?

    There were moments when McCain looked like he had accidently wandered away from the old folks home. His "jokes" (which might have been well received in his supporter-packed town halls) fell flat with a neutral audience. His most spirited exchanged sounded close to rantings.

    One thing, however: I didn't even notice the "that one" exchange. That's an expression I remember my Irish grandmother using -- but she'd be 111 if she were still alive. It didn't sound particularly racist or even dismissive to me. It just sounded old.

  • Posted By: Peter Bear @ 10/08/2008 11:45:00 PM

    Regarding the last debate. Here are some points from a female Republican that I don't see anyone talking about:

    1. John McCain looked as though he was struggling with senior memory deficit when he couldn't remember a three part question and had to ask for a repetition as he wrote down the three elements. Obama remembered them easily.

    2. There were at least two questions that McCain did not answer at all. He did "a Palin" and just talked about foreign policy, his strong subject.

    3. When he recommended Warren Buffett as a potential Treasury Secretary and had to admit that Mr. Buffett was actually an Obama adviser people had to ask themselves: If Warren Buffett is the brightest guy for the job, what does it mean that he is on the Obama team? His next suggestion was even worse because it showed his utter lack of understanding of the Treasury Secretary job. McCain suggested the CEO of Ebay. With absolutely no intention to detract from her success at Ebay, may I say that a CEO is not the right kind of person. The profile for a CEO is generalist, administrator, visionary. The top job at Treasury requires high skills in finance or a highly quantitative background, like that new former engineer who is going to head up the bail out program. That is why, Treasury Secs usually come from Wall Street. John McCain's first answer should have dismayed viewers and his second answer should have frightened them.

    4. That hostile soft whisper that he adopted throughout the debate was creepy because on one hand, it appeared soft and on the other hand it was full of scary intensity. McCain does not have the temperament to be Commander in Chief. Too hasty, too rash, too brash, too much risk taking without sufficient intellectual backup. We don't need another cowboy in the White House. We need someone with cool. "Cool" is a very, very rare trait. Only elite performers have it. In the military, it is known as the vaunted "right stuff." John McCain doesn't have it. Barack Obama does.

    5. Finally, as a woman, I find McCain's "use" of females (whether it is the under educated and unqualified Sarah Palin or his reference to the CEO of Ebay) to be sheer pandering to the female vote and a real insult to our intelligence. The last question in the debate was so revealing of what McCain really thinks of women. Whereas, Obama immediately thought of and referred to his wife, McCain referred to soldiers who would support him when he was down. If the internal feminine within a man is so absent that he can not even associate the feminine with a very, very feminine question (and Tom Brokow even gave him a hint- it sounds like a Zen question) that man is not to be trusted.

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 10/08/2008 11:30:41 PM

    "Not all Democrats agree with Mr. Frank that such policies are off-limits to criticism. Last week Rep. Artur Davis of Alabama said in a statement: 'Like a lot of my Democratic colleagues I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie and Freddie. I defended their efforts to encourage affordable homeownership, when in retrospect, I should have heeded the concerns raised by their regulator in 2004. Frankly, I wish my Democratic colleagues would admit when it comes to Fannie and Freddie, we were wrong.'

    "Mr. Davis is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus."

    'Rank snobbery'

    Camille Paglia, who supports Sen. Barack Obama, has nothing but scorn for the way the media has treated Sarah Palin.

    "The mountain of rubbish poured out about Palin over the past month would rival Everest. What a disgrace for our jabbering army of liberal journalists and commentators, too many of whom behaved like snippy jackasses," Miss Paglia writes at www.salon.com.

    "The bourgeois conventionalism and rank snobbery of these alleged humanitarians stank up the place. As for Palin's brutally edited interviews with Charlie Gibson and that viper, Katie Couric, don't we all know that the best bits ended up on the cutting-room floor? Something has gone seriously wrong with Democratic ideology, which seems to have become a candied set of holier-than-thou bromides attached like tutti-frutti to a quivering green Jell-O mold of adolescent sentimentality."

  • Posted By: researchman @ 10/08/2008 11:23:46 PM

    Ignorance is associating McCain with the Run-of-the-Mill GOP. Be careful calling others intelligent or ignorant based on who they endorse. Most GOP's don't like McCain because he challenges their ideals--watch your associations. Being accepting of a candidate who won't stick his neck out on the line by voting in the Senate, who flip flops on important energy policies, and who fills the room with stirring words which have a huge price tag in this time of deficit should make you very suspicious. I disrespect anyone who has to use foul language and hate in their posts to get their point across....it shows emotion without thoughtfulness. I'll say it again...look at the watchdog sites and see who is going spend and tax. Proof is in the numbers...find out for yourself or you are not an informed voter...only an emotional one. And we all know what happens when we vote on emotion. I will make a last association. California has a republican governor over a liberal legislature...they are begging for help because of the state's social policies. Blaming the GOP for what is happening now is like blaming Arnold for California's deficit. It's time that we look at the record and the total price tag of our candidates' programs. Advertising Change is not enough. I cannot be sold that easily. Do your homework.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/08/2008 10:45:42 PM

    If this election cycle has demonstrated anything, it is that in order to preserve democracy in this country, it is passed time we reconsidered the additional protections provided the media by the Supreme Court in New York Times v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964), which protects the media from most slander and libel suits. While perhaps noble at the time in its conception, the media has abundantly demonstrated that for the advancement of their own political agenda, on both sides, and to fill the demands of the 24/7 news cycle, they are willing to abandon any pretense of objectivity or, more importantly, of journalistic ethics. Since they cannot exercise the power they have been given responsibly on their own, perhaps it is necessary to return the threat of legal sanction under which they operated prior to 1954.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 10/08/2008 10:51:34 PM

      Let's see, 1954 -- wasn't that the height of the McCarthy era? I don't think we need to go back to those days, thanks for the thoughts. I think our media is doing just fine - they're not perfect, but they're trying to be fair and balanced for the most part (except Fox, which is a self-professed mouthpiece for the GOP and the current White House)... I'd say CNN is doing a pretty good job.

      BTW, the rest of the world thinks Obama would be a better president for the USA. Considering our world is so interconnected with every country, every major economy, and lots of developing countries, I think it would behoove us to listen to them and take their views into account. Not throw it all away like it's something dirty and un-American. Obama did the best overseas of any candidate since Ronald Reagan or Kennedy. Why is that such a hard pill to swallow for the Main Street Americans (bumpkins and bigots)???

      I want a president who the entire world can look up to; not another pair of morons and loonies who want to start wars with every single oil-producing country who looks at us cross-eyed. It just costs too much.

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 10/08/2008 10:37:24 PM

    Who are these dumb "Main Street voters" and "Joe Sixpacks" that cannot connect with the best political candidate we've had in four decades? Who are these stupes? Where do they live? In small towns? I don't know anybody like them and I'm in a big city with TONS of different people from all walks of life.

    If you consider yourself Main Street, then why aren't you voting for Obama, or ARE You? I cannot fathom why anybody in his/her right mind would vote for a GOP candidate this year - these two are farcical and the rest of the educated world is aghast.

  • Posted By: whoiamnow @ 10/08/2008 10:23:10 PM

    Beauty and the Beast unleashed their inner pit bulls and are attacking Obama with their same old tricks- character assassination, lies and distortion. But Joe Six Pack isn't fooled.

    This is a quote from foxnews.com:

    "The analysis also concluded that in the latest period, nearly 100 percent of the McCain's ads were negative, compared to 34 percent of Obama's ads."

    McCain has nothing good to say about himself. How pathetic.

  • Posted By: gretnajo @ 10/08/2008 8:54:57 PM

    I think the October surprise is going to be the islamic connections. Valerie Jarrett the Iranian born brains behind Obama. Nadhmi Auchi the Iraqi born businessman money man (that 250mil donor list thats not published) and tony rezko that syrian born businessman that bought Obama's house with Nadhmi money. i dont think the american people like islamic connections that will surely bring obama down

    • Posted By: neos @ 10/08/2008 10:15:29 PM

      Maybe, just maybe, the October surprise this year will be that the American people wiil show their true decency and reject the dirty Karl Rove politics that the McCain Campaign has resorted to.
      And this type of religious bigotry. Shame on you.

  • Posted By: Adam Senokazlieff @ 10/08/2008 11:44:54 AM

    Senator McCain was dismissive and poorly mannered; I see no reason for that behavior in a President of a nation. And McCain's last comment sounded overty pitiful: "I'm old and white and married an heiress (who cut her sister off out of spite). Feel sorry for me. Vote for me out of pity."

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/08/2008 11:59:12 AM

      If that is what you heard in McCain's closing argument I feel sorry for you. You are the one who deserves pity.

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/08/2008 12:03:58 PM

        He was crying for votes. It did sound a bit beg-ish.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 10:09:08 PM

          Yes, and very unbecoming.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 9:46:22 PM

        No, McCain deserves pity.....he's losing and losing big....I say landslide.

      • Posted By: edjones65 @ 10/08/2008 12:05:29 PM

        LMAO

  • Posted By: chris s. @ 10/08/2008 9:12:06 PM

    You mean there are going to be more october surprises? Hope they succeed as well as the last week of attacks. Like they haven't already tried the islam card? They start slinging mud, some of it might just get them a little dirty too.

    • Posted By: neos @ 10/08/2008 10:07:45 PM

      Maybe, just maybe, the October suprise this year will be that the American people wiil show their true decency and reject the dirty Karl Rove politics that the McCain Campaign has resorted to.

  • Posted By: Russk2t @ 10/08/2008 10:38:50 AM

    What bothers me a lot about all these comments is the persistent way some people repeat the lies or half-truths that propagate via the internet. I'm talking about the smears to both candidates that are circulated but not reported in main-stream media because they have not been proven and can not be proven. These same people claim bias by the media (towards both sides!) because the media will not print these unproven lies. I can only hope that the majority of americans who vote can see through and rise above such tactics.
    In fact, neither candidate is perfect and they both have their good points. As a voter my job is to decide which one will do the better job for our country to improve our lot and keep us safe, end or win the wars, improve our international image, etc. Looking at McCain, one has to be very afraid that he would not make it through a term in office. Thinking of Sarah Palin as president of the United States gives me the shudders.
    For most of my life I was a dedicated republican. I voted for every republican candidate from Barry Goldwater to the first Bush. But somewhere along the line I began to open my eyes and see that the republican party had become something different than the party my father so admired. The past 8 years have shown me nothing to change that. So I will vote for Obama, not because I think he is wonderful, but because I cannot stand the thought of more years like the last 8, and because I think Joe biden has the experience to be president whilst Sarah Palin does not.

    • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 11:01:54 AM

      I'm not sure why you are buying into the Obama hype machine... but McCain is nothing like Bush.... so we definately won't be getting four more years like the last eight years. But if you want to buy into that pile of bullcrap I guess that is your decision.

      • Posted By: Russk2t @ 10/08/2008 11:09:34 AM

        If McCain is nothing like Bush then why did he vote with him 80 or 90% of the time? Why did he support a new war (on false pretenses) when we had not yet finished our objectives in the existing one? Why did he parrot the adminsitrations assurances that our ecomomy was in good shape, so recently? For all his claims to be a 'maverick', he has not been one in any ways that are very important to me or most other people.

        • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 11:28:14 AM

          I'd be willing to bet that if you look at the voting on Obama's side that you find he voted with the President 80 - 90% of the time as well. Thats what happens when congress and the President are working together to pass legislation. Why did the majority of congress support a new war? Because we didn't want to be attacked at home again. Seems to have worked pretty well hasn't it? Why did he parrot the administrations assurances that the economy was in good shape? Probably because he didn't want people to panic... just like everyone else involved. And I would say he is a "maverick" because he doesn't allow partisan politics to determine his course of action. He works with people across the aisle to get things done. The same can't be said for the socialist candidate. Let me ask you a question... McCain and congressional Republicans warned the Democrats about the practices of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago. How it would cause an economic disaster. Democrats stated that there was nothing wrong with either of them. Umm... yeah who is guilty of ignoring the problems in our economy again?

          • Posted By: Russk2t @ 10/08/2008 11:44:10 AM

            Yeah, both candidates claim they warned... Obama wrote a letter to treasury secretary and last night McCain claims he wrote his own letter (that Obama did not sigh - how strange !). The bad thing is that both sides seem to ignore the actions of the other side. But I do not buy the excuse of not wanting to cause a panic. You don't pursuade people to keep their funds in failing investments just to prevent panic - not if you are a moral person, that is.

            • Posted By: cwinebarger @ 10/08/2008 1:47:50 PM

              Obama voted with Bush 40% of the time while McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

              Check your facts people, rather than spewing nonsense and assumptions.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 10:01:45 PM

                Good looking after, thank you.

              • Posted By: cwinebarger @ 10/08/2008 1:53:01 PM

                Just clarifying that my above comment was directed at blackcourt and not Russk2t.

            • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 12:57:21 PM

              McCain didn't just write a letter... two years ago he brought a bill to congress that would have helped regulate and prevent the Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's of the country from running us into the ground. Where was Obama two years ago? On the side of the democrats saying that there was nothing wrong with either company while he was taking handouts to the tune of $144,000. The third highest paid politician over the last ten years and he was only in office for three of them.

  • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/08/2008 10:50:11 AM

    I know I will be attacked by a large group of you for saying this, but did anyone get the sense when McCain continually said- my friends- that in a way it harkened back to dialogue with the USSR decades ago when the word comrade was spoken in every sentence? I remember those discussions; I remember hearing various Soviet politicians speak to their constituents, making promises of how their government will work for them- comrades I feel your pain and I will fix this broken system- McCain repeated this sentiment last night, but never actually explained how he would fix it. It was too eerily familiar to Cold War words. What I found extraordinarily amusing was when the second question was asked by the young African-American gentleman, McCain totally skirted answering the question, insulted the man by saying you probably have not even heard of Freddie or Fannie, and then Obama got up and said- first let me answer your question, and he did. When it was McCains turn next to answer the question first, he started by saying, alright well let ME answer your question, attempting to sting Obama, and the hilarious part was, he never answered the question. Now I am in no way saying that McCain is a communist, so do not infer it that way, I am just drawing some Cold War parallels that add on to the ones I already have seen in McCain, that continue to concern me over his ability to properly run this country in this day and damaged age.

    • Posted By: suzvoter47 @ 10/08/2008 10:54:50 AM

      I was taken aback that he would have spoken to this young black man in such a manner as if he was to ignorant to understand what Fannie or Freddie Mac, If this had been a young white man I wonder would his approach been the same. Bet not....

      • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 11:09:48 AM

        Oh quick... lets place the race card because wouldn't want to forget that Obama deserves to be President because he's black. *eye roll*

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 10:00:40 PM

          You are a dope...You need to be quiet or get lost..

        • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/08/2008 11:57:50 AM

          Your intelligence is only superseded by the loudness off you ignorance. --Eye roll --

      • Posted By: bartsimpson2008 @ 10/08/2008 11:44:00 AM

        I think the comment was condescending but I don't think it had anything to do with color. I think McCain simply thinks voters are not as smart as he is. As I watched the debate last night I decided to call McCain Napoleon. You know, short mean little man. I think McCain has an inferiority complex that he is trying to make up for by proving how tough he is. Kind of funny actually or tragic depending on your point of view.

      • Posted By: edjones65 @ 10/08/2008 11:36:24 AM

        Please do not go there

    • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 11:00:13 AM

      Calling us friends reminds you have the Soviets? What part of Obama socialist economic plans don't remind you of the Soviet Union? Ummm... hello... McFly...

      • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/08/2008 11:36:34 AM

        First of all, I was talking about his rhetoric, I made that very clear. Second of all, I was talking about communist rhetoric, not socialist. And just so I can completely wipe the floor with you, have you looked at McCain???s proposals, he went from I do not support regulation to lets bail out all the banks, wait, lets not stop there, lets bail out all the mortgage companies, hold on, lets bail out every Americans bad mortgage. So now, under McCain, the government will control our banks, our lending houses, and the houses we live in. Comrade. Oh but hold on there is more, we are now also going to sponsor and control drilling in the arctic and off our continental shelf, so the government will control gas prices as well. But there is more Comrade- we need to annihilate North Korea, and we need to bomb Iran, and if need be we should invade Russia- oh right that was Palin who said that, well we will count it as McCains words given he picked the idiot. Shoot I forgot one more, we will alienate and ignore any world leader at our own discretion, without having due cause or an explained reason to the American people. You know what, that sounds an awful lot like our Cold War years when I lay it all out. So though I still will not call McCain a communist, as I said originally, here are all the lovely parallels that make me very wary of becoming the United States of Soviet America. Comrade- woops, my friend.

        • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 3:50:45 PM

          Everything you just described about the government taking over banks, mortgages and all the rest. Those were all instituted by Democrats. You can try and twist them around all you want to... but there is one party who wants to make government bigger and there is one party who wants to make government smaller. You know which is which and no matter how you try and twist your hand around to point the finger at McCain... it never leaves Obama.

          • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/08/2008 4:35:59 PM

            Wow, what world do you live in? It was Bush that introduced and pushed for the bailout, and said it was immediately necessary- it was McCain who suspended his campaign (the most laughable political ploy ever- especially since he is not on the committee that oversaw it) in order to ensure that it was passed- and everything I wrote was what McCain said last night- bailing out bad mortgages, controlling domestic oil, staying in a no win war, invading Cold War countries, etc. Are you just stupid or deaf? I am not twisting anything. You are so delusional that you are convinced that the Democrats are the ones propagating this. Did you watch the debate last night- that all came straight from the horses mouth. Get a clue!

          • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/08/2008 4:34:16 PM

            Wow, what world do you live in? It was Bush that introduced and pushed for the bailout, and said it was immediately necessary- it was McCain who suspended his campaign (the most laughable political ploy ever- especially since he is not on the committee that oversaw it) in order to ensure that it was passed- and everything I wrote was what McCain said last night- bailing out bad mortgages, controlling domestic oil, staying in a no win war, invading Cold War countries, etc. Are you just stupid or deaf? I am not twisting anything. You are so delusional that you are convinced that the Democrats are the ones propagating this. Did you watch the debate last night- that all came straight from the horses mouth. Get a clue!

  • Posted By: jlog @ 10/08/2008 11:01:58 AM

    If Senator Mccain says "let me tell you something my friends" one more time! He is very demeaning in his reference here. Also, how does he get away with referring to Senator Obama as "That one". If Senator Biden or Senator Obama referred to the other candidates in this fashion, it would be punced upon.

    • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 11:08:17 AM

      Oh please stop... Obama can do whatever he wants to do and the media allows every bit of it to go off without a single mention. Look at the articles throughout the mass media. Every one of them is a positive message about Obama, a sharp contrast to the articles about McCain.

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/08/2008 11:53:48 AM

        That's because McCain message was "get off my lawn". Not a whole lot of positive to say about "that one" is there?

        • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 12:06:55 PM

          Got a serious case of believing everything the media portrays to you don't ya? So much for the "elite" college education and thinking for yourself.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 9:54:45 PM

            If you watched the debate and truly believe that McCain is the one with the intellect instead of Obama...that means you are sorely lacking in that dept yourself.

    • Posted By: bbop1 @ 10/08/2008 12:44:02 PM

      I have a new bumper sticker: Good Friends, I am voting for "THAT ONE"

      • Posted By: queenie @ 10/08/2008 1:15:17 PM

        I love it! I was so offended when McCain said "that one" - as it was the same term that was used to refer to me as a child and trust me, it's NOT ambiguous. McCain just seems like a mean, old crabby man to me, Obama is the new thinking, a breath of fresh air.

      • Posted By: jesselhill @ 10/08/2008 12:58:11 PM

        would love to get that bumper sticker!

  • Posted By: Abots22 @ 10/08/2008 11:37:28 AM

    I think at this point, anyone paying attention has heard enough about the candidates' stances on the economy and foreign affairs. Obama might have well as been reading his transcript from the previous debate. I guess at this point playing it safe is a good political strategy, but really not all that inspiring. If the next debate doesn't address some other topics of interest like our childrens' education, abortion and immigration I think we can all declare that the liberal media won their first presidential election. Congrats to Brokaw for doing such a fine job "filtering" the questions. Anyone who says Brokaw is unbias, probably also thinks O'Reilly is unbiased. To all the socialists out there (oops, sorry, I mean "progressives"), you can say good bye to the capitalist incentive and personal freedoms that established this country as the financial superpower that IT STILL IS. I think Mrs. Obama summed it up best when she said (and I paraphrase), that the average American doesn't want the whole pie, they are happy with just their slice. Really?? Either she's calling us lazy or stupid, I haven't figured out which one yet. Easily said from a woman with an Ivy League education, earning over $300k/year, and currently campaigning to be the First Lady. If you pick apart the Obama's position on almost everything you will see it either signifigantly changes from week to week (off shore drilling, troop surge, Russia/Georgia) or it simply doesn't apply to the times (tax policy). The ONLY point I am willing to conceed to Obama is his health care plan, but even then until a candidate recognizes that it's a demand problem and not a supply problem, we won't have a workable solution to our health care situation (soon to be crisis).

    Read up on the Born Alive fiasco and you will see that he bold-faced lied to the American people. Then tell me why the media flat out ignored this topic, not from an abortion stand point from from one of character and EXTEREME liberalism. This is a case in point of jusy how much Obama trusts the media not to run with anything that would condemn him. The same people who are angry with their government (myself included) should be equally as angered by the media's decision to HIDE THE TRUTH from us. And then you complain about how McCain is "desperate" and "angry"...hey, wake up, someone has to say it if the media refuses to. Then ask yourself one last question...not why was Obama interested in working with Ayers, but why Ayers was interested in working with Obama. Let freedom ring and GOD bless this great county on mine.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/08/2008 11:47:29 AM

      The media didn't ignore the topic, you ignored the media's interpretation and truth. You want Mr. Obama to hate and kill children, but he doesn't so you're mad. Same lie different day for you.

      • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 12:01:39 PM

        What is abortion if not the killing of innocent children?

        • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/08/2008 12:05:58 PM

          What is choice if the moral right does not want you to have any? Oh yeah. Singular, puritanical, bully pulpit judgement.

          • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 12:17:03 PM

            So you think its ok to murder children? Thats the future you want for this country? Wow... thats all I can say is... wow....

            • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/08/2008 1:10:28 PM

              future??? where you been? last i checked its legal to have abortions...and its not killing childeren...childeren are not a small egg attatched the the wall of the uterus...childeren run around and go to school, crap in diapers and suckle on breasts...

              • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 1:26:25 PM

                I guess I didn't realize that kids were delivered fully developed by the stork. What is with all this pregnancy talk and what is the need for abortions if a fetus isn't a child? It doesn't matter how many people like you want to make up excuses that will allow you to kill children... thats exactly what you are doing. Just like a liberal though... save a tree... kill a kid.

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 9:50:23 PM

                  Just like a neo-con..kill other children...esp. the Iraqi children. You really need to be quiet you know, because your argument loses.

                • Posted By: MissWorld @ 10/08/2008 2:44:36 PM

                  let's bring the focus back to issues that effect our day to day lives...many of us will probably never have an abortion. liberals DO NOT say "go out and get abortions". they simply give the right to choose. if you are opposed to it, then don't get one.

                  • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 2:52:29 PM

                    Is that we are going to tell murderers from now on? You don't deserve jail time... your just weeding out the population. I don't believe in murder though so I'll just go on living and you can just go on killing.

                    • Posted By: MissWorld @ 10/08/2008 3:12:15 PM

                      ok, a 13 year old girl is raped and gets pregnant and she has an abortion....so you're calling the 13 year old girl a murderer? that's just silly.

                      • Posted By: blackcourt @ 10/08/2008 3:37:44 PM

                        Did that baby have anything to do with the 13 year old get raped? So why should the baby have to be killed? Does killing that baby make it easier for the girl to deal with it? I'm sorry... but if you can't give life back to those who deserve it then you shouldn't be deciding who to kill either. Believe me... my heart goes out to anyone in that situation. It is tragic beyond words and I wish that we could prevent anything like that from ever happening. But two wrongs won't make it right.

                        • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/08/2008 6:27:39 PM

                          The more you post, the crazier you get.

                    • Posted By: MissWorld @ 10/08/2008 3:13:00 PM

                      also do you have to comment on everyone's entry? it's kind of annoying.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/08/2008 9:48:07 PM

              Let's count all of the Iraqi children who have been maimed, blinded, disfigured, burned and killed. Is it okay to kill Iraqi children?

        • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 10/08/2008 5:50:17 PM

          Your inability to distinguish between a fetus (at ANY stage of its development) and a child is distubring. An insensate blastocyte is not "a child". The Bible, even in the Old Testament, makes this distinction quite clearly, in prescribing DIFFERENT pentalties for murder, for accidental killing of a human being, and for causing the death of a fetus. Maybe you think God was confused.

    • Posted By: bartsimpson2008 @ 10/08/2008 11:49:36 AM

      Tom Brokaw is a well known republican. Brokaw is an old school republican who believes in smaller gov. and fiscal responsibility. He may not like McCain much for the same reason other republicans don't like McCain.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/08/2008 3:00:16 PM

    Obama is getting a bump out of this because people are not being reminded of the whole history where the economy is concerned, and who did what when. Call it bias by omission. The media simply says that the economy is Obamas strong issue, but never discusses the facts in detail. Further, who had a majority when is rarely relevant. If the simplistic Party In Power model were true, then the Democrats would not have needed the House Republicans when they tried to pass the bailout bill, as Democrats have the majority in both houses and there is no threat of a veto. In theory, they do not need the Republicans to vote at all. In fact, something like twelve (12) Democrats from Barney Franks own banking committee voted against the bill. Obviously, it is not so simple and the media does the voter a disservice by doing little more than reinforcing the error. A similar argument would be to say that the economy appeared to be doing fine until the Democrats took over control of Congress and the power of the purse, then it tanked. As an aside, the media also misleads regarding the Clinton economy when they fail to mention that it also ended in a recession, requiring the first round of Bush stimulus checks immediately after he took office..


    Do Obama and the Democrats deserve a lift in the polls as a result of the financial and mortgage problems? The answer from history is a clear NO. Here's the lead of a New York Times story on September 30, 1999:

    "Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending" [link below]. That's 1999 folks. Clinton Administration, I believe.

    Here's the lead of a New York Times story on Sept. 11, 2003:

    "The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago. "[see link below] The Democrats killed the reforms.

    McCain said in co-sponsoring the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190:

    "If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole. The Democrats killed the Bill.

    What was Barney Frank and fellow Democrats saying at the time of these attempted reforms? According to reports, Representative Barney Frank(D-MA) claimed of the thrifts :

    "These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis, the more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

    Representative Mel Watt (D-NC) added of the reforms "I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing." [ See Community Reinvestment Act, link bel

    • Posted By: Abots22 @ 10/08/2008 5:34:52 PM

      Well said. Hard to argue with this, although I'm sure some will refuse to acknowledge the truth even when it's right in front of them. Keep up the good fight.

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/08/2008 5:38:20 PM

        You two should get married in a Fundamentalist Church complete with a witch hunter.

      • Posted By: Big G @ 10/08/2008 6:45:38 PM

        That is a good one but lets take a look at what you wrote.

        President Clinton was in office and he did sign the bill that allowed for this deregulation but Sen. Phil Graham was the one who sponsored the bill. So it was a Democratic President and lets say it, A Republican House and Senate.

        So, if I take your comment in your first paragragh, who had the majority in congress, then it would have been wise if the republican outright reject ed the bill.

        Just to let you know, and I am a Democrat, both President Clinto and Phil Graham can take credit for this deregulation. It hurt in some ways but lets look at it this way it help. Without the deregulation then commercial banks like Citibank, would not have been able to purchase the smaller banks that are in trouble today. Look on Factcheck.org and it will tell all that there is blame to go all around on this issue and may more.

        One last thing, when you and the republicans state that the democrats are the majority remember this just happened in 2006 and by your claim Sen. McCain was calling for legislation in 2005 and YOU had the majority and could have pushed legislation through Congress. Now you want to get on the Dems. for asking for Bipartisianship on this Recovery Item. Remember the article you mentioned dated 2003, who had the majority, Republicans.

        Lets take a breath and understand that it is going to take a collective effort to get out of this crisis.

        This is my first post so please excuse and grammical and speeling errors...was not able to go back and proof read my comment...

  • Posted By: Beauko @ 10/08/2008 9:34:49 PM

    GRETNAJO: Exactly what kind of hate are you breeding?So, we hate Islam now? Does anyone remember the Salem Witch Trials? Burn her?? Does that ring a bell? Seriously folks, it's 2008.... it is time we jusy really become OK with ourselves, faults and all. factcheck.org.... It's cool to check it out.

  • Posted By: izme @ 10/08/2008 10:10:17 AM

    If a 1960 "Unibomber" did you a favor and got you started in politics, wouldn't you fee indebted to him? I wonder what Ayers will require of Obama in return............Scary, huh?

    • Posted By: suzvoter47 @ 10/08/2008 10:32:16 AM

      The relationship of Ayers and Obama is loose at best, insighting this type terrosist mongerimg from Palin was beneath low for any VP candidate...Her actions created a situation heard on TV and during the rally of "kill Him" thus pronpting the secret service to investigate, Firthermore McCain allowing the word Terrosist to be screamed out and not admonished by him tells me exactly who does not belong in the White House. Ayers sat on a community school board as did Obama and many REPUBLICANS, Obama has in no way shape or form has condoned Ayer's behavior when Obama was 8 years old. Please show me how either McCain or Palin acted presidential or Vice presidential by their actions. It backfired and shows desperation and a willingnes to create a dangerous atmosphere during this campiagn. There is no honor or patriotism by either of them. No matter how much they scream it.

      • Posted By: dianlarkin @ 10/08/2008 10:38:21 AM

        McCain & Palin are obviously anti-God and anti-American

        I want to see Palin arrested for her efforts to incite a race riot and for inciting her rally attendees to scream KILL HIM about a US Senator and a Presidential candidate

        • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/08/2008 10:58:05 AM

          I do not agree with what you said, though I cannot stand either of them, I think that McCain and Palin are not necessarily anti-God or America, but have manipulated both to send out their sordid message. But the point you made when someone yelled out Kill Him- that was terrifying. If anyone remembers the extremists that came out of the JFK Presidency, and what obviously resulted, it is disgusting that Palin would not have the common decency to tell her supporters that even that is too much. Okay, she wants them to support her, but she should not be propagating that her opponent be assassinated. It shows both her poor lack of knowledge and understanding of major life changing events in this country, and even more appalling, it shows her as an unfeeling, uncivilized, and out-of-touch American, who feels that type of rhetoric is appropriate at a political rally on the Presidential and Vice Presidential level.

          • Posted By: dianlarkin @ 10/08/2008 11:21:22 AM

            thank you fccCh you just described someone who is anti-God and anti-American -- to foster than kind of hate and call it a presidential rally is both

            • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/08/2008 11:37:46 AM

              I still feel it is a bit harsh. There is a lot to attack on that duo, lets keep it civilized.

              • Posted By: edjones65 @ 10/08/2008 8:13:15 PM

                I can agree with that

    • Posted By: kathy in ct @ 10/08/2008 11:36:10 AM

      "Got you started in politics???"

      The facts: A woman who was running for office had a campaign meeting at Ayers home. She invited Obama to attend. He attended.

      Ayers no more got Obama "started" in politics than I did.

  • Posted By: Donna1000 @ 10/08/2008 10:20:52 AM

    While they are both smarter than W, truth is I was absolutely appalled at the logical inconsistencies that consisently came out of both candidates' mouths last night. America, is the best we can we de?

    • Posted By: dianlarkin @ 10/08/2008 10:36:46 AM

      i would not be so sure that McCain is all that smart -- he was smart enough to ride his vet experience (and I admire, honor, respect and thank all vets, including him) to where he is but please remember he crashed several planes and graduated at the bottom of this class (lowest 5 out of 895 being the bottom) Obama on the other hand we all know is a Harvard educated lawyer -- as a lawyer myself I know the importance of education and I am in favor of education.

      • Posted By: edjones65 @ 10/08/2008 11:32:36 AM

        I agree with you on the educational issue's, I would've liked to hear the candidates elaborate on that more ( Obama has got my attention with that issue and I have no clue as to what McCains view on education is and that bugs me). However, please do not take offense to my doubts about Obama or your profession, but how does being a lawyer give you insight to the military, keeping in mind the President is the commander and chief of the worlds most powerful military force. I have been in the military myself and can tell you that dealing with some officers(who are extremely intelligent and book smart) but would get us lost walking around in our own backyard, literally. I trust McCain in that respect and have absoluletly no confidence in Obama in that respect, the old saying that goes " all brains and no sense", won't get you too far either applies here, in my opinion. Now with McCains age in mind and Palin being the alternative is a bit nerve wracking to me too, but can you honestly say that Obama's experiences have prepared him for dealing with the military(which will be a whole new world that he has not dealt with before)? Please I am just seeking an honest opinion and not more of the same old rhetoric I hear from both sides, I really am just curious as to what your toughts are on that, being that you are a lawyer as well you should have a unique perspective.

        • Posted By: ThinkingBeing @ 10/08/2008 1:34:59 PM

          If you don't mind my joining your discussion to share my thoughts. I'd like to say that while we've all met people who are brilliant but can't walk through a door, it doesn't mean it's true for all intelligent people. To me, it's Obama's combination of intelligence and common sense that makes me feel he'll make the best president. Add to that his ability to connect to the American people AND world leaders , his calm, steadiness and I think it'sa win all the way around.

          • Posted By: ThinkingBeing @ 10/08/2008 1:51:10 PM

            Add to that Obama's policy which strengthen the middle class and small business and a great plan for economic growth and energy independence. Unfortunately, McCain/Palin are stuck in the same trickle down rut that didn"t work under Reagan, Bush I or Bush II and now say they support a broad range energy plan but historically have supported the drill baby drill plan while voting against alternate energy. I've looked at it all in detail and feel we'll be a stronger nation on every front under Obama/Biden. .

            • Posted By: edjones65 @ 10/08/2008 3:18:28 PM

              Thank you for your input, I do have a difficult time with the trickle down theory, you Dems are dead on with that one. I just have a problem with him being in charge of our nations military, pull and run talking to terrorists and those that support terrorism scares the heck out of me. I hate this war just as much as anybody and I do agree with Obama that we should have finished what we started. Obama's economic plan doesn't make sense to me though, it will cost to upgrade and modify this or that, no matter how you look at it but he did mention Clinton and he did some wonderful things for the country and embarrassed us too, but I can live with that.

              • Posted By: Donna1000 @ 10/08/2008 6:10:08 PM

                W sets a pretty low bar for Presidential intelligence but what I said in my earlier post was that I was apalled at the utter lack of logic from either candidate last night. They both seemed exhausted and unable to think to me. I finished last night's debate terrified that either one of these guys will be President in less than four months. Eight years of no logic in the White House has America staggering and I don't see either one of these guys changing that. Frankly, I would take Biden or Palin over Obama or McCain any day.

                • Posted By: edjones65 @ 10/08/2008 7:56:48 PM

                  I know how you feel. I wish I could be as confident about either candidates as some of those that post here( Dems or Repubs) but I have my doubts about both of them too. The last debate was just the "SOS" I thought. I was hoping for a little more. Sometimes I can even get an honest answer or somebody even makes a good point every now and then on these posts.

                • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/08/2008 6:26:00 PM

                  Palin? Pretty much puts your credibility to the test.

          • Posted By: Donna1000 @ 10/08/2008 6:13:46 PM

            Obama -- common sense? Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc.? And he is calm or is it that he just doesn't have a clue so he pastes on a calm face and hopes that people won't notice that he is totally overwhelmed?

            • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/08/2008 6:24:44 PM

              That was a very long stretch from a pretty hostile poster.

      • Posted By: Donna1000 @ 10/08/2008 6:11:24 PM

        And as George Bush has trashed the Harvard MBA brand, I think Obama won't help the Harvard Law brand.

  • Posted By: neda @ 10/08/2008 7:45:05 PM

    3 weeks ago mccain was in the lead. the battle is not over. By the way, mccain is not my candidate. It's this thing I got. I gets really angry when others attempt to use, manipulate and abuse me. I'm surprised you don't. The way things have been playing out though, I'm not even surprised that you are adverse to an unbias campaign.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/08/2008 7:39:12 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYFm5kK4f1k



    Today Old Senile McCain is called his Audience "My Fellow Prisoners" opposed to "My Citizens" or his ole faithful "My Friends"

    It seems after the YouTube World and Mass Media has criticized his Robotic, Predictable and down right boring "My Friends"

    McCain tried to switch it up and Blurted out "My Fellow Prisoners"

    This Mother Lover is Too Damn Old and Sarah Palin is Too Damn Dumb...Simple an Plain.



    "My Fellow Prisoners"

    http://therealmccain.com/butler/

    McCain is a Joke ...A Easy Win for Obama and Biden

    Obama is already at [464] Electoral Votes, all Obama needs is to hit [470] an all you McCain Low Lifes, can finally call it a Year and Go Home.

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