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While in still in North Vietnam???s military hospital, McCain III gave an interview to prominent
French television reporter Francois Chalais for a series titled Life in Hanoi. Chalais??? interview with McCain III was aired in Europe. Vietnamese doctors operated on McCain???s Leg in early December, 1967. Six weeks after he was shot down, McCain was taken from the hospital and delivered to a U.S. POW camp,

In May of 1968, McCain allowed himself to be interviewed by two North Vietnamese
generals at separate times.??? May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
In August 1968, other POWs learned for the first time that John McCain III had been taken
prisoner.

In 1970, McCain III agreed to an interview with Dr. Fernando Barral, a Spanish psychiatrist
who was living in Cuba at the time. The meeting between Barral and McCain (which was photographed by the Vietnamese) took place away from the prison at the office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in Hanoi (declassified government document). During the meeting, POW McCain sipped coffee and ate oranges and cakes with the Cuban.
While talking with Barral, McCain further seriously violated the military Code of Conduct by
failing to evade answering questions ???to the utmost of his ability??? when he, according government documents, helped Barral by answering questions in Spanish, a language McCain had learned in school. The interview was published in the in January 1970.

So yes he was a POW, but I hardly think he had it has rough as many of the others for one and in the military breaking the code of conduct is a big deal especially if it was done on several occasions. THIS is only what we DO know, the rest of the information is SEALED. I don't think he should have used THIS as his basis to be president.

blackcourt

For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and
biased news media. McCain has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and his collaborations with the enemy now he wants to be our POW-hero president

1 - Student pilot McCain lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus
Christi Bay while practicing landings.
2 - Pilot McCain lost another plane two years later while he was deployed in the
Mediterranean. ???Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines
which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the
son of an admiral.
3 - Pilot McCain lost number three in 1965 when he was returning from flying a Navy
trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain III radioed, ???I???ve got
a flameout??? and ejected at one thousand feet. The plane crashed to the ground and
McCain III floated to a deserted beach.
4 - Combat pilot McCain lost his fourth on July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to
the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk combat pilot. While waiting his turn for takeoff, an
accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain Jr???s. plane. He escaped from the burning
aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft,
and threatened to sink the ship.
5 - Combat pilot McCain lost a fifth plane three months later (Oct. 26, 1967) during his
23rd mission over North Vietnam when he failed to avoid a surface-to-air missile. McCain
ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently
parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. After being pulled from the lake by the North
Vietnamese, McCain was bayoneted in his left foot and shoulder and struck by a rifle
butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

Let's talk the POW; On McCain???s fourth day of being denied medical treatment, slapped, and threatened with death by the communist (they were demanding military information in exchange for medical treatment), McCain broke and told his interrogator, ???O.K., I???ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.??? U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.

It was then that the communist learned that McCain???s father was Admiral John S. McCain,
the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific. The Vietnamese rushed McCain to
Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable
for U.S. POWs. He broke the code but he needed a hospital.

By Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press was quoting McCain describing
his mission including the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the
order of which U.S. attacks would take place. He broke the code again
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McCain Steals Obama???s Mortgage Buyback, which is already in the Bailout Plan [Law]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/in-debate-mccain-touted-m_n_132828.html

It was the first question of the evening: how to turn the economy around and help those ensnared in the housing crisis. And in John McCain's first answer, he bragged about a bold new proposal he would implement as president -- that Obama already fought for in the recently passed bailout bill.

"You know that home values have, retirees, continues to decline," McCain started, somewhat unsteadily. "And people are no longer able to afford their mortgage payments. As president of the United States, Allen, I would order the Secretary of Treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes at the diminished values of those homes and let people make those -- be able to make those payments and stay in their homes. Is it expensive? Yes. But we all know, my friends, until we stabilize home values in America we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy. and we've got to give some trust and confidence back to America. I know how to do that, my friends. And it's my proposal, not Senator Obama's proposal or President Bush's proposal."

It took awhile (by rapid response standards), but by the end of the debate, Obama campaign was all over the claim.

National press secretary Bill Burton noted that the "rescue bill includes authority for the Treasury Department to buy 'residential or commercial mortgages.'" Moreover, he noted, Obama has made that proposal twice previously.

At a Sept. 23 press conference, Obama said: "For example, we should consider giving the government the authority to purchase mortgages directly instead of simply purchasing mortgage- backed securities. In the past, such an approach has allowed taxpayers to profit as the housing market recovered. This is not simply a question of looking out for homeowners; it's doubtful that the economy as a whole can recover without the restoration of our housing sector, including a rebound in the home values that have suffered dramatically in recent months."

And in an Oct. 1 statement, Obama repeated the idea. "We also must do more than this rescue package does to help homeowners stay in their homes. I will continue to advocate bankruptcy reforms to help families stay in their homes and encourage Treasury to study the option of buying individual mortgages like we did successfully in the 1930s," he said.

Meanwhile on Fox News, conservative pundit Bill Kristol wasn't too impressed with McCain's jumping on the mortgage buying bandwagon.

"We will hear much more about this $300 billion mortgage plan of the next day or two," Kristol said. "It might end up hurting McCain. It is a pretty chaotic campaign. If you were going to do this, you [would need] lay the groundwork for it."

McCain Steals Obama???s Mortgage Buyback, which is already in the Bailout Plan [Law]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/in-debate-mccain-touted-m_n_132828.html

It was the first question of the evening: how to turn the economy around and help those ensnared in the housing crisis. And in John McCain's first answer, he bragged about a bold new proposal he would implement as president -- that Obama already fought for in the recently passed bailout bill.

"You know that home values have, retirees, continues to decline," McCain started, somewhat unsteadily. "And people are no longer able to afford their mortgage payments. As president of the United States, Allen, I would order the Secretary of Treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes at the diminished values of those homes and let people make those -- be able to make those payments and stay in their homes. Is it expensive? Yes. But we all know, my friends, until we stabilize home values in America we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy. and we've got to give some trust and confidence back to America. I know how to do that, my friends. And it's my proposal, not Senator Obama's proposal or President Bush's proposal."

It took awhile (by rapid response standards), but by the end of the debate, Obama campaign was all over the claim.

National press secretary Bill Burton noted that the "rescue bill includes authority for the Treasury Department to buy 'residential or commercial mortgages.'" Moreover, he noted, Obama has made that proposal twice previously.

At a Sept. 23 press conference, Obama said: "For example, we should consider giving the government the authority to purchase mortgages directly instead of simply purchasing mortgage- backed securities. In the past, such an approach has allowed taxpayers to profit as the housing market recovered. This is not simply a question of looking out for homeowners; it's doubtful that the economy as a whole can recover without the restoration of our housing sector, including a rebound in the home values that have suffered dramatically in recent months."

And in an Oct. 1 statement, Obama repeated the idea. "We also must do more than this rescue package does to help homeowners stay in their homes. I will continue to advocate bankruptcy reforms to help families stay in their homes and encourage Treasury to study the option of buying individual mortgages like we did successfully in the 1930s," he said.

Meanwhile on Fox News, conservative pundit Bill Kristol wasn't too impressed with McCain's jumping on the mortgage buying bandwagon.

"We will hear much more about this $300 billion mortgage plan of the next day or two," Kristol said. "It might end up hurting McCain. It is a pretty chaotic campaign. If you were going to do this, you [would need] lay the groundwork for it."

McCain Losing It: "Across this country this is the agenda I have set for my fellow prisioners" stated John McCain in his latest speech - to the obvious concerned expressions of Gov. Palin and other visibly shaken members in the audience.

McCain Losing It: "Across this country this is the agenda I have set for my fellow prisioners" stated John McCain in his latest speech - to the obvious concerned expressions of Gov. Palin and other visibly shaken members in the audience.

blackcourt

Here we go

S.190
Title: A bill to address the regulation of secondary mortgage market enterprises, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Hagel, Chuck [NE] (introduced 1/26/2005) Cosponsors (3)
Latest Major Action: 7/28/2005 Senate committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs. Ordered to be reported with an amendment in the nature of a substitute favorably.

McCain fooled you, it was not HIS idea and last I checked the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs was made up a republicans and democrats. To make matters WORSE he came on board AFTER the bill was returned. A man of character all right. When the bill was reintroduced McCain name was not there.

As for Freddie and Fannie, since family's net worth is over $100 Million,,they simply found another way to get in bed with him (ie through Davis' services)

Hero: For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain, a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for NOT being shot down. McCain recieved 28 medals,that equals to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were men fighting on the ground, who had more than 7,000 hours in combat that were probably in situations where a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. It's good to be an admiral son.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/55_say_media_bias_bigger_problem_than_campaign_cash

55% Say Media Bias Bigger Problem Than Campaign Cash

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2008/cyb20080819.asp

Media Credibility Plummets, Just 30% Believe 'Most Trusted' CNN

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/51_say_reporters_are_trying_to_hurt_palin_39_say_she_has_better_experience_than_obama

51% Say Reporters Are Trying To Hurt Palin; 39% Say She Has Better Experience Than Obama

I think the problem with your thinking, blackcourt, is that Republicans are just as much about big government as Democrats but they hide it by saying they are against social programs but the reality has shown that the money is going SOMEWHERE...Republican government gets the money to Big Business and Democrats get the money to the people. Unless you are Big Business or REALLY believe in Trickle-Down economics then the best chance you have for getting some of your tax money back, in benefits to you, is with Democrats.

Republicans had 8 years to prove war-mongering, tax breaks for big business and de-regulation work but reality has proved them wrong.

Let's give the other side a chance again and see if Obama can't balance the budget again and get us out of Iraq. It's a pretty safe bet, I'd say.

D.

ladybuglady writes: "Mccain says over and over that he knows how to catch Osama bin laden. What is he waiting for? He says over and over that he knows how to fix the economy, make more jobs,fix healthcare. Watch the debates and any of his campaign speeches, he says it over and over. What is he waiting for? "

Uh, he's waiting for the metamucil & prune cocktail to do it's "thing"...

max in fl writes: "Those are votes you are leaving on the table. How can you call Obama green and forget the fundamentals?. After 26 years, no one should have to tell you that the people in the audience will be voting."

What are you talking about, geez, leave McCaiin alone already - the prune & Metamucil cocktail kicked in at the wrong moment - OK, enough already....

Even Bill Clinton points to Congressional Democrats failure to deal with Fannie and Freddie as a primary cause.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsynspIqAoE

The link below contains a purported list of the top 25 in Congress who got contributions from the folks at Fannie and Freddie. Obama is listed third, after Dodd and Kerry, even though Obama is just a junior Senator. Obama is followed next by Clinton. Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are on the list as well.

http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

Then there is the Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher J. Dodd who allegedly got special mortgage deals from Countrywide, who gave preferential rates to 'friends' of company's chairman.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25140560/

For an interesting article purporting to detail the House Financial Services Committee Chairs long history with Fannie Mae, See http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx

"House Financial Services Committee Chair promoted GSEs while former 'spouse' was Fannie Mae executive."

The link below describes how some in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN, a group Obama has a long association with. See:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

And then there is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who allegedly has directed nearly $100,000 from her political action committee to her husband's real estate and investment firm.

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/01/pelosis-pac-pays-bills-for-spouses-firm.

See also:
http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=M2QwNDhkZTg2OGYzZjkzM2E2NDEwM2U5OGVkNTc0YzU=

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260

http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx

http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080926

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Where is the article about Joe Bidens longstanding relationship with the credit card industry lobby? Is that what you call looking out for the middle class?

McCain looked like a grumpy old man. He would have served himself better by foregoing the attacks and pumping himself up. Instead he focused on tearing Obama down and it just looked like a bunch of cheap shots.

And what was up with "that one"?!?! thats what we say to my dog!

I am voting for "That One"...Obama...I am voting for "That One"...Obama...I am voting for "That One"...Obama

I am voting for "That One"