I'm going to school in Laramie, and I'm from Casper (the other town mentioned in the article), and let me assure you all, we're not that bad here. First of all, ask anyone who visits Wyoming, and they'll tell you that people here are some the nicest and friendliest people you will ever meet. Secondly, before everyone goes and blames a town and even a state for what two demented people did, why don't you blame the actual criminals instead of their surroudings? Thirdly, the article talks a lot about how Laramie has forgotten and ignored the tragedy. The fence on which Matthew was beat was torn down, but it was also directly behind Wal-Mart. If the camera would have moved three inches, you wouldn't have seen a barren field, but rather a grocery store. We don't have Texan accents here, and we're not all cruel people. Elton John came to Casper last year and discussed the incident, and he had right when he said our state is getting a horrible reputation for what two people did. Not everyone here is homophobic, in fact those people are very much the minority. There are still people here who dislike gay people, but I challenge anyone to find someplace that there isn't.
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Has Anything Changed?
The creators of 'The Laramie Project', a play about Matthew Shepard, returned to Wyoming on the 10-year anniversary of his death.
Oct 9, 2008 | Updated: 9:03 a.m. ET Oct 9, 2008
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Posted By: rachelann4730 @ 10/15/2008 5:52:33 PM
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Posted By: EE7011 @ 10/16/2008 2:44:56 PM
You're right, thanks for writing a response to this article.
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Posted By: Emissary_From_Reality @ 10/15/2008 12:13:04 AM
I've read countless things over the years arguing that homosexuality should be granted the same legal recognition as heterosexuality, that homosexuals are good people, and that opposition to their agenda is 'hatred', 'ignorance', 'bigotry' and so on, ad nauseum.
Tonight, reading this claptrap, I finally passed the limit of the pure, unadulterated BS that I could endure without reply.
Religious and moral arguments aside, all the medical evidence we have on the matter suggests that living a homosexual lifestyle, whether you're male or female, will substantially shorten your expected lifespan. It is a documented scientific fact, courtesy of the National Institutes of Health and the Center for Disease Control. For that reason alone, this is not a pattern of behavior that any rational society should condone or encourage in any way. And we sure as hell shouldn't allow those who have willingly embroiled themselves in this lifestyle choice (and yes, how you behave is in fact, a choice) dictate to the rest of us how we should view their dangerous, unhealthy behavior.
The pro-homosexual elements of the media tell us homosexuality is normal and should be tolerated. Why? Because the gays themselves tell us it is?! That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard!
Consider this: if all of our society's thieves banded together and told us that stealing was 'normal' for them, would we tolerate their crimes? Absolutely not! Would we allow them to brand us the real 'bad guys' with a concocted, nonsensical, pseudoscientific word like 'kleptophobia' to describe our opposition to their crimes? Not for a second! Yet, we've allowed ourselves to be gulled into that very state of affairs by a well organized group of deviants (and a very left-wing media establishment), and allowed them to force their way into undeserved respectability, and in many cases granted them special protection under the law.
Now, there are those who would argue that the homosexuals' behavior only hurts them, and for that reason, we should tolerate their choices. This is false. They are largely responsible for the American AIDS epidemic, as well as increasingly frequent outbreaks of MRSA, a drug resistant staph infection that can be spread by casual contact. How many diseases will we let these people inflict on us before we stand up to them?
The pro-homosexual movement is telling the world the most pernicious set of lies since the Communist Manifesto. We're letting them get away with it, and the entire future of a once-great nation is in jeopardy as a result.
It's not 'ignorant' to oppose an agenda when all the facts say it is bad for your society. It is not wrong to oppose that which medical science and common sense tell us IS wrong. It is however, DEAD WRONG to allow perverts to decide for the rest of us what is normal.
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Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/15/2008 4:24:43 PM
"Comment: I've read countless things over the years arguing that homosexuality should be granted the same legal recognition as heterosexuality, that homosexuals are good people, and that opposition to their agenda is 'hatred', 'ignorance', 'bigotry' and so on, ad nauseum. "
It is, and you are.
Welcome to America, Archie Bunker. Equality is principle this nation was founded under, and your insane fear of homosexuals is of no account when balanced against the rights of other Americans.
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Posted By: toom5499 @ 10/15/2008 6:47:58 PM
You are wrong, America was based on Freedom of religion. Being able to worship God. And no matter what you call it or the abuse you give to those who are not gay..does not change a thing. Homosexuality is wrong in the eyes of GOD! WE did not say, GOD sais it in HIS WORD. You want to argue with someone? Argue with HIM and keep your ugly comments to yourself. It is always a few people like you who hates everyone and uses one controversy to unlease their anger and ugliness. No one said they "hated" homosexuals, they hate the act. I love people, all of them, it does not mean I love what they do or that they approve of what I do. But what is immoral should not be pushed on to ALL of AMERICA-you live with it!
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Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/16/2008 12:59:25 PM
Also, your freedom of religion does not extend to denying the liberties of others, nor is it restricted to the Judeo-Christian God.
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Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/16/2008 12:58:12 PM
So that whole "all men are equal" (in the eyes of the law) part doesn't count?
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 10/15/2008 11:03:41 PM
"America was based on Freedom of religion. Being able to worship God."
You have no idea what you are talking about. Freedom of religion is only one of many principles this country was founded under, but first and foremost the idea of equal rights for ALL is highest of all(of which freedom of religion is only one aspect).
"Homosexuality is wrong in the eyes of GOD! WE did not say, GOD sais it in HIS WORD."
That is not relevant to US law. And actually homosexuality is not mentioned at all. Onty ONE act that not all homsexuals engage in is mentioned.
"Argue with HIM"
Ther is no-one to argue with since god and religion are all man-made stuff.
"But what is immoral should not be pushed on to ALL of AMERICA"
No one is trying to push it on all of America. They are jsut asking for equal rights and ot to be targettted for violence and discrimination.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/15/2008 3:36:03 PM
"The pro-homosexual movement is telling the world the most pernicious set of lies since the Communist Manifesto."
Hahahahaha, wow.
It probably explains the bigotry in the rest of your post, which I see you have backed up with no statistics. Did you ever stop to think that there are plenty of gay men and women in monogamous relationships?
"Consider this: if all of our society's thieves banded together and told us that stealing was 'normal' for them, would we tolerate their crimes? "
Who's stealing anything from you? Aren't you the one trying to steal some of their freedoms from them?
Thank God I live in California where people know how to separate their facts from their bigotry, at least some of them.
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Posted By: Bluebird51 @ 10/10/2008 3:22:51 PM
I find it so sad that people can't just live and let live. Just like politics- the lies told about how awful gay people are, that they molest children, etc... I also find it sad that it seems that the people in the town of Laramie did not learn from this young man's murder and homophobia just like prejudice still exists there.
It is my belief that you are born homosexual or heterosexual or maybe even bisexual and that it is not something that you can change. You just are - and like every person on earth you are here to do your best - to live, laugh, and love. The University of Wyoming is behind the times in providing domestic partner benefits.
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Posted By: it's just me@26 @ 10/10/2008 4:11:53 PM
I also believe that homosexuality/heterosexuality is not a choice but rather something you are born with. The heart wants what it wants. I also agree that EVERYONE should have equal benefits at UW as with any institution. And as I said in my last comment???Yes, you will find homophobia in Laramie. But you will find is everywhere else. Please do not let a few ignorant people define the town of Laramie and the University as a whole.
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Posted By: RockRibbedConservative @ 10/10/2008 4:55:42 PM
There is no proof whatsoever that you are born that way, homosexuality is a chosen behavior, just as alcoholism, gambling, addiction, adultery or any other destructive behavior.
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Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/15/2008 4:38:07 PM
Proof your your assertion, please. How ever did you learn so much about homosexuality?
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Posted By: tx_countryboy79 @ 10/14/2008 1:20:58 PM
Who in God's name would choose to be ridicual, made fun of, beat, abandoned and abused. Its not a choice. Its something that is just naturally there. Do not think that if I had the choice when I was younger I would have chossen to be str8 over being gay. Growing up always having to hide the bigest part of my life was hell and I wouldnt want that for anyone. Since then Ive come to terms with it and accepted my self for being me. However, I dont expect you to accept me. All I ask is that you let me live my life with the same choices that you have with out having to be bullied or abused or most impartantly JUDGED.
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Posted By: it's just me@26 @ 10/10/2008 5:09:21 PM
Did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? Are you attracted to both sexes and only CHOOSE to love the opposite? And if the tables were turned and someone told you, you HAD to love someone of the same sex or else you were condemned to hell, then would you CHOOSE to love someone of the same sex? There isn???t proof for many things in this world. It???s called belief and faith.
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Posted By: Peterpotamus @ 10/10/2008 5:19:41 PM
God didnt create Adam and Stev...it was Adam and Eve. In the bible it clearly explains that "sword fighting" with another man wrong. It is so wrong in Gods eyes and homos dont go to heaven. why do you choose to burn in hell.....why should you get rights....its un natural! Sickos
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Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/15/2008 4:37:24 PM
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Posted By: tx_countryboy79 @ 10/14/2008 1:16:08 PM
If I remember correctly it isnt the fact of being gay that is the sin, it is in the actual act of engaging in homosexual sex. Take another look at your bible and re-read those parts again. While your at it you might want to re-read the parts about not judging others. I also bet that at least one of your closest friends/relatives is gay but you would never guess which one was.
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Posted By: Peterpotamus @ 10/10/2008 5:24:49 PM
They should not have murdered that boy and he should not have been gay.
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Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/15/2008 4:36:22 PM
So, you're saying that he was equally guilty?
WTF?
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Posted By: whatsright11 @ 10/14/2008 10:40:25 AM
Not all Republicans are against same sex couple rights - I'm not - I just happen to be for less gov't and fiscal conservatism. Remember what stereotyping groups of people does to society!! I'm also a vegetarian and animal rights activist, but still a republican. I feel awful for Matthew's family, this was an ugly thing. Of course it was a hate crime and hopefully people are a lot more aware of this and other discrimination going on every day.
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Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/15/2008 4:35:04 PM
"Not all Republicans are against same sex couple rights - I'm not - I just happen to be for less gov't and fiscal conservatism. "
Then why are you a Republican?
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Posted By: toom5499 @ 10/14/2008 3:09:34 PM
The killing of Matthew Shepard cannot been seen as anything but a hate crime. Something that seems to have gone rapid in America. But to apply that it is only happening to the gay community is a gross over statement. Wyoming is not the only state dealing with hate crimes. The Ayrian Nation, KKK and other organizations have been terrorizing minorities for centuries. Now the gays believe that our moral laws should be changed just for them? They complain that the college is not approving their partner status? I say good for them. Why do we have to continue to set our morals aside to accomadate the inmoral? Homosexuality is wrong no matter how you say it or who it is. I do not care if it is the President of the USA, it is wrong! God set His commandments down and He hates homosexuality, not the person, but the act. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of it. Do you really believe He will not do the same to us? Have we forgotten 911 so soon? Know one has the right to take a life of someone who is different. But neither should our morals be changed for a minority. God said marriage was for man & woman, it is in the Bible, it is not man and man or woman/woman. it appalls me that our government is so afraid of standing up for what is morally right as our forefathers did and are instead comprimising our nation to Satan. Quit trying to change all of us to fit into your dysfunctional lives. If you would get on your knees and bow before the One who can change you, Jesus Christ Lord and Savior. I am so tired of hearing that you are born gay..I do not believe that, God will not condone what He condemns, and He will not create anyone that is gay...it is your choice and if you choice not to be born that way, as so many say, they change. Pray and the Lord will deliver you. Accept Jesus, confess your sins and know He does love you, I love you, and I pray for the Shepard family and all gays. I have no hatred in my heart for you or anyone else who may not adhere to my thoughts and ideas. All I ask, is quit trying to change our laws to fit your selfish lifestyles. I am AGAINST GAY MARRIAGES! AND THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS A REGULAR UNION OF A MAN & WOMAN. So tell me as you read this, how much hatered are you feeling right now? Exactly, so it goes both ways..quit blaming a everyone for what a few do. And remember us, the blacks, the Mexicans, Jews, we have all been there. Have you forgotten that they hung blacks in the South for looking at white women? So get off your pios horses and step into reality and quit your sniveling about "how mistreated" you are! The blacks have reason, it was not their choice IT IS YOUR CHOICE, WHAT YOU DO IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD!
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Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/15/2008 4:31:33 PM
Who cares what your bible says? If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay.
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 10/14/2008 4:06:54 PM
"All I ask, is quit trying to change our laws to fit your selfish lifestyles."
Quit trying to make US law based on your religious beliefs. They are only your beliefs.
" I am AGAINST GAY MARRIAGES! AND THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS A REGULAR UNION OF A MAN & WOMAN. So tell me as you read this, how much hatered are you feeling right now? "
No hatred. Just contempt for someone who knows nothing about nature and the baiss of this greeat country, the US Constitution, the ONLY sacred document to our government.
"Exactly, so it goes both ways..quit blaming a everyone for what a few do. And remember us, the blacks, the Mexicans, Jews, we have all been there. Have you forgotten that they hung blacks in the South for looking at white women? So get off your pios horses and step into reality and quit your sniveling about "how mistreated" you are!"
Remember that the Civil Rights movement used much of the same methods (public outcry and demonstrations as well as gettting in segregationsists faces through things like sait down strikes) to get their rights. The LGBT community is actually using time tested methods to secure thier rights.
"The blacks have reason, it was not their choice IT IS YOUR CHOICE,"
LGBT isnot a choice, it is nature. And even if it was a choice, so what. Equal rights do not stop at choice, otherwise religous discriimination would not be prohibitted (and the US Supreme Court that religion IS part of the Civil Rights Act based on the Neo-Nazi attack on a Maryland synangoue in the 1970;'s). Remember religion is a choice.
"WHAT YOU DO IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD!"
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 10/14/2008 4:06:39 PM
toom5499,
"The killing of Matthew Shepard cannot been seen as anything but a hate crime. Something that seems to have gone rapid in America. But to apply that it is only happening to the gay community is a gross over statement."
No one is sayng that is to ONLY be applied to gay crimes. whgat is being said is that must ALSO be applied to hate crimes.
"Now the gays believe that our moral laws should be changed just for them?"
Hate Crimes, murder in general and discrimination are the ONLY things in this story that are in any way immoral. Homosexuality is not immoral.
"They complain that the college is not approving their partner status? I say good for them. Why do we have to continue to set our morals aside to accomadate the inmoral?"
Since is not immoral your comment is void.
" God set His commandments down and He hates homosexuality, not the person, but the act."
God is not relevant to US law. And there are plently of people who belive in your god who say that your interpretation of what god says is wrong.
"Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of it."
Not at all. Judaism has alwasy said that Sodom and Gemorrah were destroyed because of baseless hatred. Abd since the story is first and foremsot a Jewish one (they were the first ones to create the god of the bible and the bible was written by them) thier interpreation is the most valid one. In case you do not knwo what baseless hatred is look at those who would deny equal rights to gays just because of biology, which ish what homsexuality is.
"Do you really believe He will not do the same to us? Have we forgotten 911 so soon?"
Since he is a man-made creation he does not do anything. 9/11 was done by reliigous extremeists who used their beliefs to justify terrorism, not by some deity.
"it appalls me that our government is so afraid of standing up for what is morally right as our forefathers did and are instead comprimising our nation to Satan."
Actually our forefathers were adamantly opposed to using relgion as the basis of law. Basing US Law on what one part of one religion believes (since not all Christians believe as you do) is a clear and absolute violation of the Establishment clause. In fact basing law on religious belief is a clear and absolute violation.
"If you would get on your knees and bow before the One who can change you, Jesus Christ Lord and Savior. I am so tired of hearing that you are born gay..I do not believe that, God will not condone what He condemns, and He will not create anyone that is gay...it is your choice and if you choice not to be born that way, as so many say, they change. Pray and the Lord will deliver you. Accept Jesus, confess your sins and know He does love you"
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Posted By: goose79 @ 10/14/2008 3:39:09 PM
I think the last bolded statement in this comment pretty much sums it up. As long as there are ignorant people in the world who think it's a "choice" to be homosexual, then there will never be equality. Please tell me why someone would choose to make their life more difficult; life is difficult enough as it is. Religion is a CHOICE, biological developement is not. Please read some science books instead of the holy bible before making such silly and uneducated comments.
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Posted By: imnxdc @ 10/14/2008 7:53:17 PM
I obviously don't condone the murder. However, I do wish to take the discussion in a different direction. This quote from the article caught my attention, 'DeBree: "[Shepard] put his hand on my leg. ... "' So let us suppose the murder had not followed, and that DeBree wasn't lying about being touched on the leg. Then the question is, "How was DeBree touched?" Was it appropriate? Had a heterosexual man touche a womena that way would this have been something that she should be expected to tolerate? Or would Shepard been guilty of sexual misconduct or sexual assault? Would DeBree have been justifiably angry not at the fact that Shepard was gay but that he was the victim of Shepard's misconduct? I don't know the nature of the touching. But in the absence of the details, I think I am at least asking fair questions. My wife was touched inappropriately by a man once. She broke his arm. Was it a hate crime?
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Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/15/2008 4:26:38 PM
Did your wife then tie him to a fence and beat him to death?
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Posted By: my2sense @ 10/15/2008 2:14:11 AM
As someone who lives in California and works in the entertainment industry, I don't think gay people are discriminated against AT ALL!!! They control EVERYTHING here! They live in their rich mansions and they go off to your state and shed very poor light on it so they can make another fortune, and all of you suckers believe everything you see and you feel all guilty over it, so you grant them benefits they don't need or deserve. If you ever wonder why "The Laramie Project" was just a play with a bunch of hired actors rather than a documentary with real people, it was so the actors could dress dumb and trip over the words and look as ignorant as Hollywood wants you to believe they are. If you wonder why the idiot cab driver got way more air time than any doctor who actually tried to save Matthew, if you wonder why so many people said, "I don't know why you are asking me about this,,,, I know nothing about the case"??? Gay people control the media, and they hate straight people, especially those living in the midwest so look out: your town may be next. If anyone is killed who *might* have been gay, it will be labeled a hate crime no matter what actually led up to it, and the whole town is to blame for it even if there were only 2 perpetrators and everyone else did everything right. The gay media will descend upon you and put words in your mouths and hire actors to play you and those actors will look nothing like you and act nothing like you and then the rest of the world will hate you for it. And if you ever try to get a job in California... good god, talk about discrimination!!!! You can't admit to being from the midwest here and get a job. California employers will fire you for being from the Midwest, and you can't take them to court for it, because this state believes YOU are the bigot. I'm sick of it.
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Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/15/2008 4:22:11 PM
PROTIP: Tinfoil goes shiny side OUT, Sparky.
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Posted By: americanPride @ 10/10/2008 10:57:14 AM
Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.
That is the message of Jesus that conservatives like to ignore. Jesus taught tolerance, forgiveness, and unconditional love. WWJD? I'm pretty sure he wouldn't tie a young guy to a fence and beat him to death for being different.-
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 10/10/2008 3:41:56 PM
Jesus also entreated the Gentile to ''judge that which is right''[Matthew]. Exasperated with his disciples for their confusion in interpreting Judaic Law as promoted by the Pharisees and the ''new wine'' [or covenant] offered by Jesus,he turned on Peter and asked him ''why then,do you not judge that which is right''?
What is ''right''to Jesus as we know it through the Scriptures left behind?
For one thing, his ''Love''commandment [''upon this all others hinge''[or ''rest''], reigns supreme in the life of the practicing Christian,however,in coming to ''fulfill the law''[Matthew,Mark],he yet entreats those who would ''take up my burden'' to ''judge that which is right''
In Matthew 19 and Mark 10, Jesus addresses the surly Pharisees who are baiting him and attempting to catch him in a trap. In this case,regarding ''divorcement''.
''Have you not read,that He who made them made them male and female.For this cause,man shall leave his mother and father and they two once twain,shall now be one. What God has joined, let no man place asunder ''[ this and Genesis 1 provide the text of the Jesuian ''marriage''commandment].
It is important to read the remainder of the chapters verse for Jesus refers specifically to ''divorcement'' as '' a thing not made of God''.[or,Man made that scene. Not God]. Jesus'intention was that man and woman would be one until death. So too did God see this in Genesis,one of the few areas where there is concrete agreement with things of the Old Testament as they applied to that of the New.
Thus,even in ''love''which is altruism and as a product of the human heart and mind need not rely upon religious decree, [indeed,is suspected to exist in lower orders including dogs ,horses and others], how does the marriage ''under God''between two men or two women comport with the God and Jesus instructions of the Jewish and Christian Bible? Is the resistance by so-called ''conservative''churches resting upon ''judging that which is right''? [are gays and gay-affirming individuals judging in their turn precisely due to this conflict]? To put more plainly,is gay marriage a thing God seeks,or we seek? What other places in the Bible,especially in the New Testament,are we warned about the ''inventions of men,rather than Gods''? I have no dog to hunt here as gays may go their way in peace,as there is damned little enough of it as there is , But it is nevertheless important to observe this paradox.-
Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/15/2008 3:54:34 PM
I think all of this ought to be a moot point in this country. We have an Establishment Clause in our First Amendment which has always been understood to say that you can't make laws based on the Bible (or any other religious tradition).
To say that another way: it does not matter what your Bible says. It is utterly un-American to create a law that duplicates the laws of any religious tradition expressly to represent people's beliefs that there should be such laws. It ALWAYS has been.
Concerning homosexuality or any other matter, any person who would suggest religious law be passed in the U.S. is acting in an manner against the Constitution of the United States. Regardless of what people may say, it is unpatriotic to advocate for Christian law, Hebrew law, Muslim law, Buddhist, Shinto, or any other religious law in our country.
Some of the people claiming the most patriotism have the smallest understanding of principle.
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Posted By: RockRibbedConservative @ 10/10/2008 5:52:59 PM
Jesus would have told Matthew Shepherd that unless he repented of his Sin, that being homosexuality, he would be going to hell. Jesus certainly told the adulterous woman that she should "go and sin no more he said, lest nothing worse befall you." John 8:1-11 And what is that "worse" what do you think he meant? Not only was Jesus not afraid to call a sin a sin, He was not afraid to call a sinner a sinner. BTW in Matthew 7:1-2 Jesus taught that you should judge righteously and not hypocritically.
Which means that if you are trying to tell someone to stop sinning you should not be doing the same thing.
If you want to see who will be going to hell for not following God's law read Romans 1:26-32.
BTW this is the "obscure" book of the Bible that Barack was trying to diminish while trying to use the Sermon on the Mount to justify homosexuality and "Gay" Marriage. I have been wondering just exactly what was he trying to say. And moreover, was it something about himself? -
Posted By: liberalsaredumb @ 10/10/2008 11:24:37 AM
You are right, But Jesus also taught the Homosexuality is immoral and a sin. WWJD? I think he would tell this young man to repent and give up him immoral and sinful life or be damned to an eternity in hell.
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Posted By: americanPride @ 10/10/2008 1:36:51 PM
Jesus taught with love and compassion for those that society deemed unworthy of both of those things. He did not teach with threats.
keep your fire and brimstone to old testament where it resides. There slavery is supported. Stoning to death an insolent son is validated. Should we repeal the 13th amendment? Change our child abuse criteria?
Bigotry is brought by fear, fear brought by ignorance and insecurity. Educate. Support. Love.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/15/2008 3:44:28 PM
To anyone who'd legislate anyone else's bedroom, shame on you. You'd be screaming bloody murder if anyone came to your bedroom to tell you what you could and couldn't do.
To all the fundamentalists talking this whole "Adam and Steve" thing - shame on you too. We are a free country. We have an Establishment Clause that PROHIBITS our government from infringing on OR explicitly supporting any one particular religion. That means you don't get to make laws based on the Bible! I find it hard to understand what people don't understand about this.
"Separate but equal" should have gone out the door in the 1960s with the back of the bus, guys...
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Posted By: Peterpotamus @ 10/10/2008 5:27:38 PM
My life is great....im not gay...I have a wonderful loving husband and children who are not gay....we dont have a hard life or get made fun of because we are gay....people dont threaten us or say harmful things because we are not gay. Do you get what Im saying? Gay is not normal and yes Jesus loves all....but there will be a judgement day...and it states in the bible that it is wrong.....so all you gays take your chances with God...Im not. I believe in what the bible says. I dont question God like all of you seem to be doing. Its wrong and you know it....or else why would you be so scared to come out of the closet?
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/15/2008 3:40:44 PM
"Its wrong and you know it....or else why would you be so scared to come out of the closet?"
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Posted By: Avicenna1 @ 10/10/2008 10:53:24 PM
It says in the Bible that being rich is wrong. It says wanting what your neighbor has is wrong. It says in the Bible that adultery is wrong, yet we have a rich adulterer pretending to be a Christian, just as the Bushes have. Too many people want to focus on just one or two sins. Read the WHOLE Bible.
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Posted By: tx_countryboy79 @ 10/14/2008 1:12:11 PM
I totally agree here. The bible doesnt just address one or two sins, it address a multitude of them. So please people, before you start firing off scriptures, actually know what your talking about and know what it is that the bible says about many things. Im no brilliant person but from what I remember the sin isnt in being gay its in the actually act of sexual relations of a homosexual matter.
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Posted By: american_dream_is_gone @ 10/10/2008 7:11:56 PM
PEOPLE ARE SCARED YOU MORON BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY ARE TREATED BY SOCIETY.
THIS SOCIETY AS WELL AS OTHER COUNTRIES STILL VIEW GAYSAND LESBIANS THE WAY BLACKS WERE SEEN HERE IN THE PAST.... AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS.
AND IT IS THE FAKE CHRISTIANS WHO SPEW ALL THE HATE. THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.
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Posted By: ReaderJL @ 10/15/2008 3:02:58 AM
Just when I think people are growing more compassionate and understanding, I read the jaw-dropping comments from some of the previous dbags. Whether you approve of a homosexual lifestyle or not, I've got some news for you...we aren't going anywhere! Welcome to the world in 2008, where all types of people love and live together. Matthew Shepard was murdered for being gay and the whole point of the article was based on a play that was written from real testimonies. Most of you bigots probably didn't even read it!!! It doesn't say one way or the other about how you should feel about Laramie WY. It leaves it up to the reader. I'm sure Laramie is a fine place, but a brutal and disgusting act of hate was committed there. Instead of people defending themselves, everyone should acknoledge it and look within at the way we can all become more loving and accepting individuals.
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Posted By: reagancoe @ 10/15/2008 2:26:46 AM
I honestly am completely shocked by that bit of hate speech that was just spewed. Homosexuals have a shorter life span than the rest of the population so its dangerous, unhealthy behavior. Stuffing your arteries with fat will significantly short your life span, but you don't see people beating the hell out of McDonald's patrons and leaving them on fence posts to die. Homosexuals have mass amounts of stress, which by the way also significantly shortens your life span, from people like you who attack their lifestyle for no reason except hate and bigotry.
I was also perplexed by the thiefs argument. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Even though your statement is hypothetical it has no reasoning. A thief breaks into your home. They steal your property. They are taking your possessions from you, hurting you. When was the last time a homosexual hurt you? When was the last time they took your property? Did they steal your feather boa and your wife's makeup and run around town causing havoc and disaster? Now I get it your trying to make a point but I just don't see how you can make that connection. I really can't wrap my head around it.
Then the whole gays spread disease thing. I honestly just laughed. How is a homosexual inflicting disease on you? Unless you've got something hid in your closet you don't want us to find out about. Diseases are spread by humans. All humans have casual contact. All humans are disgusting. Just because straight people slip on a rubber to avoid getting knocked up doesn't mean they don't have the same fricking chance to pass on the same diseases.
What I find the most disturbing however is what you posted this comment on. Excuse the world for taking a moment to remember a kid that was MURDERED. If you want to spread your message do it somewhere else. Matthew Sheperd was killed because he liked men. That like getting murdered because you like tacos, its makes no sense, and people like you who obviously condone hatred against his fellow man deserve to bee in prison right along those monsters. I dare you to say this to Judy Sheperd, I dare you. You should be ashamed, you are no better than those idiotic boys that did this.
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Posted By: chelseyforpeace @ 10/15/2008 2:25:54 AM
gee, sure seems like all you "christian" folks are very hateful and intolerant.
if i didn't know about jesus myself, i'd think your "leader" was quite the malicious, self-righteous ass.
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Posted By: Emissary_From_Reality @ 10/15/2008 12:01:03 AM
I've read countless things over the years arguing that homosexuality should be granted the same legal recognition as heterosexuality, that homosexuals are good people, and that opposition to their agenda is "hatred", "ignorance", ???bigotry" and so on, ad nauseum.
Tonight, reading this claptrap, I finally passed the limit of the pure, unadulterated BS that I could endure without reply.
Religious and moral arguments aside, all the medical evidence we have on the matter suggests that living a homosexual lifestyle, whether you're male or female, will substantially shorten your expected lifespan. It is a documented scientific fact, courtesy of the National Institutes of Health and the Center for Disease Control. For that reason alone, this is not a pattern of behavior that any rational society should condone or encourage in any way. And we sure as hell shouldn???t allow those who have willingly embroiled themselves in this lifestyle choice (and yes, how you behave is in fact, a choice) dictate to the rest of us how we should view their dangerous, unhealthy behavior.
The pro-homosexual elements of the media tell us homosexuality is normal and should be tolerated. Why? Because the gays themselves tell us it is?! That???s the most ridiculous thing I???ve ever heard!
Consider this: if all of our society???s thieves banded together and told us that stealing was ???normal??? for them, would we tolerate their crimes? Absolutely not! Would we allow them to brand us the real ???bad guys??? with a concocted, nonsensical, pseudoscientific word like ???kleptophobia??? to describe our opposition to their crimes? Not for a second! Yet, we???ve allowed ourselves to be gulled into that very state of affairs by a well organized group of deviants (and a very left-wing media establishment), and allowed them to force their way into undeserved respectability, and in many cases granted them special protection under the law.
Now, there are those who would argue that the homosexuals??? behavior only hurts them, and for that reason, we should tolerate their choices. This is false. They are largely responsible for the American AIDS epidemic, as well as increasingly frequent outbreaks of MRSA, a drug resistant staph infection that can be spread by casual contact. How many diseases will we let these people inflict on us before we stand up to them?
The pro-homosexual movement is telling the world the most pernicious set of lies since the Communist Manifesto. We???re letting them get away with it, and the entire future of a once-great nation is in jeopardy as a result.
It???s not ???ignorant??? to oppose an agenda when all the facts say it is bad for your society. It is not wrong to oppose that which medical science and common sense tell us IS wrong. It is however, DEAD WRONG to allow perverts to decide for the rest of us what is normal.
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Posted By: btpf @ 10/14/2008 9:21:29 PM
As a middle class white staight woman, I am saddend by all of this. This is as far as we have come...this is the result of our forefathers quest. We esacaped persecution by creating this country. Created due to persecution. No official religion, no official language...melting pot!!!!
I fear for the children that are not taught these fundementals of our country....and the ones that embrace these ideals, while their parents and peirs do not....Good luck to you all, and know that there are people that will embrace you, no matter what your color, gender, or offiliation....
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/14/2008 9:12:24 PM
"Press Releases
AJC Strongly Condemns Rev. Jesse Jackson's Comment on American Jews
October 14, 2008 - New York - The American Jewish Committee (AJC) has condemned the Rev. Jesse Jackson's statement about 'Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades.'
"Rev. Jackson's remarks, which appeared in an interview with the journalist Amir Taheri in today's New York Post, echo classic anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Jewish power," said AJC Executive Director David A. Harris. 'This statement, regrettably, is not the first troubling comment by Rev. Jackson regarding Israel, Zionism and the Jewish people.'
Arguing as a private citizen that an Obama administration could bring significant change to U.S. foreign policy, Jackson was quoted as saying that "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" would lose much of their influence should Senator Obama be elected president."
http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=849241&ct=6107743
And people are upset about raciest comments some in the crowd are allegedly saying at Palin events. Isn???t this the same Democrat leader who once called New York "Hymietown"?
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Posted By: LarrBerr @ 10/14/2008 8:30:23 PM
Putting your hand on someones leg is not a sexual assault. It is a come on. If your wife broke a guys arm for putting his hand on her leg, she is guilty of assault. I am a straight male. I have had 2 occasions of gay males putting their hand on my leg. Rather than beat them or even break their arm, I simply removed their hand and made clear that I was not interested. No means no. A beating is not neccessary to say no. Or we can simply make it so a come on by either a male or female to a mail or female is always unacceptable and no one shall ever be allowed to date ever again.
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Posted By: imnxdc @ 10/14/2008 9:03:02 PM
I think whether or not putting a hand on someone's leg is sexuall assault depends. Did the hand go on the knee or on the upper thigh, or higher? Was it an appropriate appropriate touch or not? Again the aritcle does not specify. I also deliberately did not specify in the case of my wife either. I did this to show how difficult it is to assess a reaction without knowing the details. In fact, I didn't say her leg was touched, I said she was touched inappropriately. Yet, you judged her actions as assault even though you were not there. I wasn't there either, but unless she is an outright liar, then based on what she has told me, the man deserved the broken arm. He probably deserved some jail time, but since he was the son of a highly placed local official, that was not about to happen.
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Posted By: LarrBerr @ 10/14/2008 8:25:46 PM
Putting your hands on someones leg is not sexual assault. If your wife broke the guys arm for touching her leg, then she is guilty of assault. I am a straight mail and I have had 2 occasions where gay men have put their hand on my leg. It was not sexual assault. I removed their hand and informed them that I was not gay. No need to beat them. No means no. A beating or arm breaking is not neccessary to say no. Unless you want a rule of never hitting on anyone male or female, whether you are male or female yourself.
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