Pulling Away

you know there is a person who shows up before the messiah , has a fanatic following and changes the world

Here's the so-called "Christian" viewpoint in a nutshell: Dont vote for a candidate who condones abortion and gay rights, and who has intellectual friends and acquaintances. That's really suspect.

Guys, get real. Have none of you ever studied Moral Philosophy? It sort of posits scenarios where you might be forced between chosing to save a mother or her children, and the overwhelming thinking is that the mother (the living, breathing human) is more "valuable" and that she can always have more children. I know that sounds cold, but that's the common wisdom. The mature human being has acquired more knowledge, wisdom and experience, and that has irreplacable value; the children are also valuable but they are younger and somewhat more replaceable.

In this line of thinking, how does the unborn fetus rank? I realize it's a moral dilemma of a huge magnitude, but it's not for the federal or even the state gov't to decide - it's a moral issue, a private issue and a religious issue. So get your noses out of the woman's right to choose. Her unborn fetus should be no concern to the state. If you carry on the logic from the above scenario, the unborn fetus has even less value than the born children. It's cruel, I know, but when circumstances call for drastic decisions, live or death, then I say butt out, and let the woman choose. That's pretty much the Democratic position, and that's Obama's.

The Christianity I know is a religion of inclusion, non-judgemental, humble and caring to all people, whatever walk of life or proclivity or happenstance.

What's wrong with the Religious Right in this country? I'll tell you -- they lack basic intellectual thought leadership and their spiritual understanding seems shallow and meant for the purposes of "socializing at church with other like-minded types" -- as some might say, narrow-minded bigots.

I'd say waging an inexplicable war, killing and torturing people and condoning that under Bush's Administration, displacing millions of families from their homes in Iraq to other Middle Eastern countries, making enemies across the Muslim world -- I'd say that was pretty awful stuff.

Aligning yourselves to the party that the National Rifle Association and one that all the gun lobbies support - thats also very strange, if you're a Christian. You want everyone to be allowed the right to carry a gun, no matter how crazy or distraught - resulting in their potential to kill innocent students, bystanders, people in public places, etc. You want the DEATH PENALTY? That's not very Christian of you - the faith is all about redemption. Forgiveness. Acceptance, inclusion and caring...

Go read your bibles and do a little thinking, all you Christian Geeks who think you're so morally pure. I'd say your hate-filled churches are becoming an embarassment and a scourge across this country. It's time for a change. It's time for the true Christian party to come back into power.,

Obama is God's intervention? Good grief, since when has the God of heaven sanctioned abortion, called spiritual leaders to Damn America in His name, or authorized radicals to bomb buildings?