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  • Posted By: jeanrenoir @ 10/12/2008 9:22:29 PM

    This financial fiasco has been entirely crafted by the Boomers, on Wall St., in government, in the Clinton and Bush White Houses, you name it. The most entitled and consequently reckless generation in American history--the worst generation rebelling against the greatest in their misspent youth--these people have left a trail of broken marriages, messed-up kids, and now foreign policy and economic ruin in their hapless wake. It's as if their whole lives, whether hippie or overextended, equally grasshopper, yuppie, have been lived in a drug-induced haze. They really have acted as if nothing serious could go wrong, as their marriages and families collapsed under the weight of their narcissism, and now their country has collapsed under it too--not to mention their own inadequate retirement savings. No wonder their Gen-X kids have nothing but disdain for their parents' Boomer generation, and can hardly wait to wipe them off the pages of history with a sober, competent, responsible, ADULT presidential candidate in Obama, who will wipe the slate clean after all the wreckage caused by the feckless carelessness, and shoddy stewardship of America of those twin Boomer loser presidents, Clinton and Bush.

    • Posted By: celticdreaming @ 10/13/2008 8:15:00 PM

      ROFL!!! 'wipe the slate clean"? and just HOW is he going to do that? He has a magic wand? Or wait...he is an expert in economics and completely understands all this subprime mortgage, securities, derivitives nonsense? Wow. And again...the kids blame their parents. Of course the kids with the whole "I WANT I WANT I WANT" attitude have nothing to contribute. Please. Maybe Obama can come up with a new slogan. THE BOOMERS DID IT!!!
      Frankly, most of this overspending started in the 80's...with the Me me me generation. Then in the nineties...it just increased. For ALL generations. Credit card companies hit kids when they are in college and, depending upon thier PARENTS income...give them credit cards...which the parents may know nothing about. See that article about the kid in college who killed himself because he had already gotten himself into something like $20k in credit card debt and didn't want to tell his parents. This country is in the shape it is in due to a number of factors and CANNOT be blamed upon just one thing. And almost everyone contributed to it. Obama AND McCain both believe in a loose immigration policy. ie: import cheap labor. They both signed off on this 'bailout'. They both wanted to give 20% of the bailout to Acorn backed mortgages...so those people, who shouldn't have gotten the loans, wouldn't be out of their homes.
      Obama is not going to fix anything. He doesn't have a magic wand, and America does not want socialism. This is not Russia, or China. We dug ourselves into this mess by not paying attention to our Government Representatives...and by no minding our own wallets and reading the fine print. We let this happen....We can dig our way out. I don't need Obama or McCain to 'fix' it. I just need them to be fiscally responsible...which is laughable for both parties.

  • Posted By: ppearlman @ 10/13/2008 8:39:47 AM

    It's all fine and good to point out the obvious fact that the U.S. has been pursuing an unsustainable policy of borrow and spend (the GOP's policy, as opposed to supposedly "liberal" tax and spend policies) ever since Reagan got into the White House. But in focusing exclusively on this deficit spending spree we've been on, government and citizens alike, you overlook entirely a major contributing factor to the crisis -- namely the impact moving higher paying manufacturing jobs overseas has had on the ability of Americans to save or to avoid going on a credit card binge. What you overlook is the fact that real wages in America have been declining (or at least flat-lining) for the better part of a decade, while at the same time corporations have moved more and more of their manufacturing activities offshore to take advantage of cheaper labor and lower regulation. To tell the truth, aside from foodstuffs, weapons systems and creative debt instruments, I'm not really sure what America produces anymore. Meanwhile, health care costs, energy costs, college tuition, and housing costs have soared. For many Americans, putting basic necessities on a credit card and carrying a balance is a rational response to a gloomy personal financial situation.

    The problem is that lawmakers and regulators in Washington, DC -- and in many states -- found religion with Ronald Reagan and the GOP. The holy trinity of that religion is: (1) deregulation, usually coupled with privatization of public sector services and preemption of any state effort to chart a different course; (2) absolutely free trade (a la NAFTA, CAFTA and various other government incentives to move jobs offshore); and (3) unconstrained "borrow and spend" GOP fiscal policies (supposedly preferable to Democrats' purported "tax and spend" habits). When I say religion I mean it. As a state regulator who has fought against federal deregulation and preemption efforts, and interacted with members of Congress and their staffers on this issue, the foregoing three tenets are held just as firmly, and illogically, as any article of religious faith.

    We may, it is to be hoped, get our financial system's house in order. But unless our government fundamentally reverses course on favoring the export of high-paying jobs overseas and subscribing to the disingenuous and evil notion that we can borrow indefinitely to pay for bloated defense budgets and boondoggle wars, we are not going to get out of the hole we''ve dug ourselves.

    • Posted By: celticdreaming @ 10/13/2008 7:56:49 PM

      Wow. THIS comment was excellent. Congratulations on posting one of the best comments I have read on here in a long time. Thank you.

  • Posted By: celticdreaming @ 10/13/2008 7:48:14 PM

    But one thing I DO agree with Mr. Zakaria: Get control of your spending. Stop buying all that 'Made in China' crap. Buy American. Keep the money here in this country by buying stuff that is MADE IN AMERICA. If it is a little more expensive than something made in Japan or in Korea, then just save a little longer and then buy it.
    And by the way....I AM an average American...and most of the people I know...and NONE of them has 13 freaking credit cards. Where did you come by this particular fact? And why are credit card companies so fiscally irresponsible that they GIVE a credit card to someone that has more than 2? They run credit reports and they can clearly SEE what accounts people have. So unless they were intentionally targeting Americans and INTENTIONALLY trying to get them so far into debt they would never get out (and have to pay outrageous percentage rates and fees, thus doubling or tripling their money)....but wouldn't that be a massive example of extortion? Rather like giving subprime loans to people who have no credit and no viable income...setting them up for a fall. Thank you Congress and Corporate America.

  • Posted By: celticdreaming @ 10/13/2008 7:40:35 PM

    cani77 is a spammer. Hits multiple stories with this same post over and over. Probably works for or is a volunteer for the Obama camp. I hate spammers. Go away.

    "Since the 1980s, Americans have consumed more than they produced???and they have made up the difference by borrowing."
    You're right about that, but WHY aren't we producing? Cause all our factories went OVERSEAS. We no longer lead the world in manufacturing. They tried/are turning us into a more 'services' oriented country....and now they are even outsourcing THOSE jobs, and IMPORTING cheaper labor to fill the ones left. We import HUGE quantities of cheaply made JUNK that is supposedly 'affordable'...contributing to the global economy. Isn't that what your book said? That America HAS to move forward with the global economy? And now you bash people for buying the stuff that our government let into this country, for getting into the credit market that financial institutions SUCKED them into by easy access and no limits.
    Frankly Mr. Zakaria....I'd rather opt out of this new 'global economy'. You can see where it got us. Now people all over the world can hate us for our poor financial habits. After all...WE affect the financial economies the world over now. So when WE go bust....THEY go bust...and they affect us now too. It's a vicious cycle. And just gives them MORE reason to hate us. I've been reading the comments on foreign newspaper websites. They are not happy with us. Thanks but no thanks.
    And..from I can tell from your second paragraph in the article...you are talking about socialism. Let the governement step in and control everything. Again...no thanks.




  • Posted By: haynessemperfi @ 10/13/2008 6:09:43 PM

    http://www.counterpunch.org/
    Congress Should Bail Out of the Bailout
    Rescue for the Few, Debt Slavery for the Many
    By MICHAEL HUDSON - Must read
    Let???s put the giveaway in perspective. While Senators and Congressmen subject to voters??? choice were debating $700 billion for the major Wall Street contributors to both parties (admittedly only for starters, Mr. Paulson explained), the Federal Reserve already had given even more, without any public discussion and without the major media noticing. Since Bear Stearns failed in March, the Federal Reserve has used the small print of its charter to go outside its normal customers (which are supposed to be commercial banks), to give investment banks, brokerage houses and now large corporations almost indiscriminately some $875 billion in ???cash for trash??? swaps. (The statistics are released each week in the Fed???s H41 report.) Like Aladdin offering new lamps for old, the Fed has exchanged Treasury securities for junk mortgages and other securities that brokerage houses and investment banks did not have time to pawn off onto OPEC, Asian sovereign wealth funds or other investors.

    www.votenader.org

    • Posted By: VoiceFromWhoville @ 10/13/2008 7:38:35 PM

      Vote Nader? Oh, please, don't. Obama/Biden is the choice that will actually get you closest to where you want to be.

      The fact that there is still 43% support for McCain/Palin demonstrates that what we need in a president is someone who has the tact and finesse to build consensus among divergent factions--not Nader's strong suit.

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/13/2008 6:11:43 PM

    THE GREAT BUSH DEPRESSION
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    He perfectly predicted the current meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen next
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide ,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch , Fanny and Freddy Mae ,AIG
    The government took them over because they are bankrupt. Even with the goverment nationalizing hundreds of billions of dollars in debt the stock market is crashing
    the credit markets are frozen and all of us may suffer beyond anything seen in generations
    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand how its been broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use quantum mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.
    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He was the last to know somthing was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime. Check out this link to the truth http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a budget surplus like Bush did but a crashing economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why are the polls even close then ?
    Mccains team just said they no longer want to talk about the economy.Instead they would like to spend time talking about obama
    which means running the biggest smear campaign in history.
    They think they can just tell you lies and you wont be smart enough to see through it
    Let's teach him we are smarter than that
    Stand up and hold them accountable
    Bush isn't on the ballot this year but his policies are
    Elect Obama Biden 2008






    Check out this video of sarah palins interview and ask your self if she understands what she is talking about.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/13/2008 6:11:33 PM

    THE GREAT BUSH DEPRESSION
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    He perfectly predicted the current meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen next
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide ,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch , Fanny and Freddy Mae ,AIG
    The government took them over because they are bankrupt. Even with the goverment nationalizing hundreds of billions of dollars in debt the stock market is crashing
    the credit markets are frozen and all of us may suffer beyond anything seen in generations
    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand how its been broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use quantum mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.
    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He was the last to know somthing was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime. Check out this link to the truth http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a budget surplus like Bush did but a crashing economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why are the polls even close then ?
    Mccains team just said they no longer want to talk about the economy.Instead they would like to spend time talking about obama
    which means running the biggest smear campaign in history.
    They think they can just tell you lies and you wont be smart enough to see through it
    Let's teach him we are smarter than that
    Stand up and hold them accountable
    Bush isn't on the ballot this year but his policies are
    Elect Obama Biden 2008






    Check out this video of sarah palins interview and ask your self if she understands what she is talking about.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

  • Posted By: gamediva2112 @ 10/13/2008 8:16:48 AM

    Vypurr, You probably better stick you little ostrich head back in your little sand hole. Republicans set the pace for the country and this is where we are eight years later. Why do the Dems always have to come in a clean up?

    • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/13/2008 3:49:26 PM

      There's no room.... your head's been buried there too long. Clean up? Lol! No comment about how your democrat controlled congress was going to turn things around in "days?" That was two years ago.... maybe you might want to have a little chat with Barney and ask him why he and his buddy Dodd stopped Bush and McCain's efforts to reign in Fannie and Freddie.... I love to know how that conversation comes out!

  • Posted By: good conscience @ 10/13/2008 1:00:25 PM

    Hear, hear, Fareed! As always, you've nailed it! There is such an interesting dichotomy among Americans, and I happen to be a proud member of that club. We do have immense discipline when it comes to chasing the dollar, equipping ourselves with all the "right" things, e.g. the thinnest-screened TVs, 4 cars in the driveway, houses with at least 2500 square feet that's completely unused. It's only there to show everyone else that "I have a big house!!"
    But the self-discipline that we now desperately need, that of self-denial and for some, downright asceticism, is far more elusive, and very foreign to many millions of us. I hope we can apply our ingenuity to mustering the strength and courage to show we can develop the discipline of doing a lot more with a lot less.

  • Posted By: Ordermonger @ 10/13/2008 12:47:21 PM

    Anita72: I don't see what you see, namely that this is a campaign stump for Obama, in fact it disagrees with a few of his policies like the middle class tax cut, while agreeing with others such as an investment and job creation in new energies. Regardless just because you think Obama and the author agrees on some points is not a valid reason to disregard what you thought was a good article with balancing short term and long term fixes to our economy, unless so biased against Obama that you can not take good advice when given.

  • Posted By: VoiceFromWhoville @ 10/13/2008 12:46:55 PM

    When I wake up November 5, I look forward to the dawn of an exciting future that rewards and encourages the inventors of new technologies and the innovators and entrepreneurs of sustainable businesses. I have great hope that with the right leadership, Americans have the resources and abilities to begin a new industrial revolution that moves us beyond the tangled web of our oil-based infrastructure and international dependencies. Imagine the funding that would be available for these changes if we no longer had to fight oil wars to sustain an outmoded economic system.

    We're at a critical crossroads with international economies desperate for stability, confidence, and leadership. I believe this is the end of an era, and that Barack Obama is the leader who has a vision of a new Twenty-first Century civilization and will help usher in its arrival.

  • Posted By: ploughman @ 10/13/2008 12:30:19 PM

    As part of the greater discipline, we need to demand to know how every tax cut or spending increase will be paid for. And don't try to say "through future growth"; in 20 years in office under that philosophy, Reagan and the two Bushes produced ZERO balanced budgets, despite Bush 43 inheriting a surplus! What would McCain change? Nothing! He's still talking about hefty tax cuts weighted toward the top, but hasn't said how he'll pay for them and that means deeper deficits. And the money put in at the top will just go toward more outsourcing, bubbles, t-bills or other uses that are producing highest returns but little or no social benefit.

  • Posted By: Anita 72 @ 10/13/2008 11:09:19 AM

    I started to think what a good article - but then - of course - by the third page a campaing stump for Obama! Silly me for expecting more from Newsweek!

  • Posted By: Blackcat75 @ 10/13/2008 10:42:17 AM

    Excellent comment, M. Sakaria. It-'s more clear for me the direction that the USA must follow. The growth at any price is a bridge to nowhere issue

  • Posted By: akgregg @ 10/13/2008 9:27:34 AM

    Please ask the author to just report facts. The article started on track However the author then morphed the artlicle into opinion and a political advertisement. Opinion and advertisements have their place, but not disseminated as news. Maybe the news media should turn the same scrutiny on themselves as the author suggests be turned on our economic situation, I belive that objective scrutiny would find much of the news media has been acting just as irresponsibly as those taking on unsustainable amounts of debt.

    So let's all do the right things from now on. Let's live within our budgets, not mortgage our futures to pay for today's pleasures, let actions not words be the basis for judging others, and report news instead of twisting the news into Opinion/Educational pieces. Then there may be a silver lining to this whole mess making all our futures brighter.

  • Posted By: teacher in sd @ 10/13/2008 9:11:37 AM

    In response to an earlier comment about the McCain campaign smearing Obama, Republicans usually turn to mud-slinging when issues get too complicated for them to confront. Republicans seem to be very out of touch with reality. They preach propaganda and its sad to see the uniformed abide by it.
    I remember a line that a college professor shared with his microeconomics students, "Anytime you have a Republican Administration serve at least two-terms there will be a recession." If you look at history this statement stands correct. One of the ways that the U.S. economy will get back on track is to raise taxes. I cannot imagine any other solution that will get us out of this mess.

  • Posted By: ayazkhan317 @ 10/13/2008 8:24:07 AM

    Excellent analysis. I would like to add to add that there must be an attitude change . The high tech advertising efforts to spend as if there is no tomorrow must stop and people must learn to rein in their wishes . By mortgaging our future for our todays excesses we have landed in this mess. Government must play a responsible role to usher in this attitude change. USA must now look to reduce their debt rather than increase it and its true for every individual as well as for the government.

  • Posted By: ppearlman @ 10/13/2008 7:59:18 AM

    Fareed,

    This is all fine and good but you left out a major element of the story -- why Americans consume more than they produce. Or more correctly, why they borrow more than they earn to consume. A huge component of the pain Americans are feeling today is attributable to hugely rising costs of health care, college and retirement, while at the same time real income has been declining or flat-lining (take your pick) for the last decade or more. The fact is, America has lost so many good paying jobs in the manufacturing sector, as companies sent operations offshore in the wake of NAFTA, CAFTA and other free-trade initiatives it's hard to see what we produce as a nation anymore -- except weapons systems and creative debt instruments, of course. Frankly, lawmakers and regulators in Washington have been adherents of a new religion and the holy trinity of that religion is: (1) deregulation and privatization (coupled with preemption of any state efforts to regulate), (2) unconstrained free-trade, and (3) deficit spending (coupled with tax cuts that favor primarily the wealthy and large corporations). These are, or at least were, articles of faith in Washington, DC. As a state regulator who has been fighting the federal deregulation/state preemption mania for the past 10 years, believe me, I know just how firmly and illogically held these beliefs are.

    We might, just might, be able to set our financial system's house in order but unless we do something to reverse course on eliminating US manufacturing and high-paying jobs, the need to borrow and spend will continue unabated.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/12/2008 10:24:05 PM

    Bill Clinton points to liberal Congressional Democrats' protection of Fannie and Freddie from scrutiny as a primary cause of the current economic meltdown.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsynspIqAoE

    To prove Bill Clinton's point, this is a link to a C-SPAN video clip of the Congressional hearings at roughtly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix fannie and freddie.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    "Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis"

    The link below describes how some of those Democrats in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN. See: Wall Street Journal

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    And here is Lou Dobbs reporting on ACORN corruption and ties to Obama, including Obama Campaign paying ACORN $800,000 for voter registration activities, and Obama representing them when he was a practicing attorney.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/10/09/ldt.tucker.acorn.under.fire.cnn

    • Posted By: Right is RIGHT!!! @ 10/12/2008 10:32:38 PM

      http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1

      The article repigs do not want you to see

      • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/13/2008 7:44:38 AM

        The Rolling Stone??? Not really worried about an opinion written by a group of toked-up, left wing radicals.

  • Posted By: hoping4 @ 10/13/2008 7:01:40 AM

    You have a way of making complicated issues understandable and I only wish more people were listening to you. Perhaps now they will. Somewhere in our consciousness we knew this day would come and, frankly, I'm glad it did. I'm not happy about seeing the retirement funds I live on shrink, but if it means we all get a reality check, then so be it. I want my country to return to a position of respect and honor. Enough of the bravado and arrogance!

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