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  • Posted By: pugs @ 10/12/2008 2:18:57 PM

    Bottome line: Neither might be able to do anything spending wise because of the economice crisis. However if Obama lets Bush's tax cuts expire we all pay more taxes YES 100% of us pay more taxes, then if he can't get his plan or delays it we contintue to pay more taxes. Look it up folks, it is clear he willl let the tas cuts expire and if he cannot get the tax breaks we end up paying more. With McCain he continues the tax cuts and quite frankly I am a middle class and don't paying the same as long as they are not increased. I wish a meddia group would really explain it that way. Obama does mean more taxes!!!

  • Posted By: sandyben @ 10/12/2008 2:07:07 PM

    Oh My, what a clearly biased, unobjective, and partisan article. Do you worship at the feet of Obama? Have you listen to the speech given by Louis Faracon calling Obama the great world uniter and the messiah, and when the messiah speaks the young people listen. In this article you have made Obams the messiah. What ever happened to objective truth? What ever happened to real "Fair and Balanced" reporting. The press cherishes its freedom and so do I but this is the very activity that causes the media to loose its freedom in other countries. You all complain about alternative conservative media. You want the "Fairness Doctrine" but you are equally guilty. The media is beginning to scare me. I am finished with NewsWeek.

  • Posted By: jbudet @ 10/12/2008 1:56:15 PM

    Mr Hirsh

    Your article is as empty of solutions as the candidates for president. Who cares about the clintons or obamas advisor, neither party has come up with anything that addresses point by point the crisis with the exception of the bail out package, another stimu;us package of the argument of tax breaks for the middle class or biig corporations.

    If you are unemployed it doesn't matter what your tax breaks are ! If you are in trouble with your home, it only matter if your are gioing to help the homeowner or the bank that is going to foreclose on it.

    The underlining problem is the housing market, even if we bail out the banks so they can start lending again, so now they can rip off the consumer once again with 25% interest rate on credit cards, $30 for NSF fees, $3.00 ATM charges, $30, over limit fees and many other fees they keep on tacking on to the consumer

    Stop the foreclosures , help homeowners keep their homes and the problem is solved.

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 10/12/2008 1:46:44 PM

    McCain Healthcare and Home Refinance Plans are the BEST AMERICA CAN HOPE FOR !!!!

    On McCain's housing Refi that he debated last week proposing 300 billion to put a floor under the real estate market is monumental in terms of state property tax values that support communities across America , if we do what Obama wants , it will lower the value of property taxes , as they attempt to refi at a Lower value that then will Artificially Compete to drive down over property values , that will then lower the tax revenues that are assessed on real estate that affords the Municipalities that stain and support Infrastructures . The effect on the tax revenues streams like this , that a Obama Plan would cause would Link the Federal Government and the states together to the point that a full blown socialist state would evolve , because the states would become more and more dependent on Federal assistance , instead of sustaining the Individual states ability to provide their own infrastructures support .

    This is the same with Healthcare , Obama's plan would place Federal assistance for those that can't afford healthcare , and Obama says the Federal Government would then step in , and this would Directly compete with independence companies , this is another attempt to kill off the Capital system and replace it with direct Federal assistance programs , resulting in more Socialistic principles of Government operations , that takes less and less choices away from the people .

    The way John McCain healthcare plans work , crossing state Lines to form associate healthcare plans would take the lower risk areas of the united state and blend them with the Higher risk areas , thus spreading out the risk , and letting competing companies automatically through technology developments and management practices would create more jobs , independent jobs !!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 10/12/2008 1:45:28 PM

    How do we NOT know that these people are not Using Team Obama to carry out the Electronic Terrorism in our Electronic trading in USA and Foreign traded Markets ????????
    I heard Mike Huckabee on Fox News Geraldo Rivera talk about this idea that some traders were telling him that could happen ......
    TOP OBAMA CAMPAIGN FINANCIER WORKING WITH STATE SPONSORS OF TERRORISM TO UNDERMINE U.S. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2102867/posts
    Friday, October 10, 2008 | Kristinn

    Posted on 10/10/2008 8:15:38 PM PDT by kristinn

    Fw: Bundler: Hasan Chandoo ; Bundler for Barack Obama, raised at least $100,000.00

    Washington Prowler
    Obama???s Fishy $200 Million
    By The Prowler http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13981
    Published 10/2/2008 12:08:46 AM
    FUNNY MONEY ; The FEC analyst says that Obama's filings indicate he has received large, bundled sums of donations from overseas, sometimes exceeding a quarter millions dollars. "It's suspicious, but it's the small donations made by credit card that need to be examined. We've raised red flags on many of these and the Obama campaign just ignores us. After this election, after we've sifted through everything -- if we're allowed to sift through everything -- I am confident that we are looking at perhaps the largest fine every leveled against a national campaign entity."

    Just as frustrating as the lack of desire on the part of his bosses to act, says the analyst, is that major media outlets have ignored the story he has been attempting to tell. Thus far, Newsmax is one of the few publications to cover the Obama campaign finance scam story.



    The Chandoo he was referring to is Mohammed Hassan Chandoo which this website claims is now a major campaign bundler for Obama:

    Bundler: Hasan Chandoo

    Employer:
    Oppenheimer & Co
    State:
    NY
    Bundler Status for 2008:
    Bundler for Barack Obama, raised at least $100,000.00

  • Posted By: Presidentboyle @ 10/12/2008 1:35:46 PM

    Markets like neither Obama nor McCain.


    Boyle wants 'limit down' rules for Wall Street Slide

    Burlington, Wisc. ~~~ Thomas Boyle, the Write-In moderate Democrat for President,
    called for the use of the ' limit down ' rule on the stock exchanges to stop the down ward
    price spirawl on Wall Street.

    Mr. Boyle explained, "With the limit rule, the price of a stock can only go down so far in
    one day, after that trading is halted until the next trading session. They do it on
    commondity markets for farm prices like corn and wheat, why not do it on Wall Street.?"

    "The rule could be tied to the price of an individual stock or keyed to an Index, " Boyle
    said. "We have to stop the slaughter of stock values. A simple rule change might at least
    slow it down until cooleer heads prevail."

    Thomas Boyle studied Economics at Georgetown University School of Foreign Service,
    learned government as a Capitol Page in the US House of Representatives in Washington,
    and worked on the Mercantile Commodity Exchange in Chicago. The former Real Estate
    Broker is running as a write-in candidate on the bottom line write-in space of the
    presidential ballot this November. Mr. Boyle is a moderate Democrat who is trying to
    regain his paarty back from the liberals. Presidentboyle.com is the website

  • Posted By: rommel2008 @ 10/12/2008 1:07:26 PM

    Look these names up on the internet. They are players in Obama???s campaign. Stay away from the obvious crazy blogs, but only look at their bios online. Then you make your own decision. Let???s hope that an Obama administration puts THIS country first.

    Muhammad Hasan Chandoo
    Wahid Hamid
    Antoin 'Tony' Rezko
    Nadhmi Auchi
    Valerie Jarrett

  • Posted By: Economics123 @ 10/12/2008 12:57:16 PM

    There are two front to attack this meltdown.
    1. For immediate boost to the economy, household has to spend and it is responsible for 2/3 of growth.
    Immediate stimulus package of $ 20,000.00 for family filling joint return income tax and $10,000.00 for single filers. It is same as dig the hole and fill it.
    2. Fix infrastructure in the country.
    3. Government should takeover all funding to provide lones for higher education instead of subsidizing private bank to provide lones for higher education. Because , this is time more people will improve their education to find 21st. century job.

    With the above measures, Govt has to borrow immediately, but in the long run, educated citizens will pay more taxes to fix the economy

  • Posted By: sheprofessr @ 10/12/2008 12:51:28 PM

    Organized Crime Elephant in the Room: Boiler Room Boys Beg Investigation

    There's something about the mortgage crisis that smells of organized crime. Credit swaps, phony bank appraisals, unregulated new trading products (scams?) that defy comprehension bred like rabbits under a Republican porch, the Bush-McCain "trickle-down" fantasy. Consider this: Congressional deregulation plus lack of oversight (police) unleashed organized crime. Infiltrating a speculation-driven financial system, experts at the "con-fidence" game, the beauty of this opportunity would wet any criminal agenda. Conclusion: Congressional deregulation and the Bush policy gave all our money to criminals, on a silver platter. Hello...

    The opportunity to steal trillions by simply presenting a business card and posting a website, launched hundreds of new mortgage companies, private lenders, and get rich quick infomercials. Bundling the banks and Wall Street with the bill, it seems to me, a real novice, that the entire financial system fit right into the 21st century criminal mind, an emerging global consideration. For example, this past June, I was able to search comparison appraisals specific to my home for the first time. What shocked me the most was learning that the bank appraisal on my 2007 mortgage was $100,000- $150,000 "officially" overvalued. Any criminal conspiracy would not work without bank cooperation, regulatory neglect, and international vulnerabilities.

    When Congress returns in November, the best move would be to get both sides together and reach a bi-partisan agreement to fully fund and support the best special investigators, with a mission to untie the twisted shell companies, find the extortionists, co-conspirators, sophisticated, white collar criminals at the helm. A quality, international approach to stop "crime" could also recover the trillions that have been stolen if we are successful.

    Congress needs to take the lead here, get past the lobbyists and partisan dupes, the naive and uninformed, and identify the economic terrorists playing everyone for suckers.

  • Posted By: rjohns08 @ 10/12/2008 12:47:02 PM

    OK OK mister gneubeck we get it you don't like Barrack Obama nor his wife Michelle. You know it might be more effective if you would express your opinon devoid of lies and innuendo. OOPs, after scanning your comments, I realize without lies and innuendo you would have nothing to say.

  • Posted By: reysr @ 10/12/2008 12:44:27 PM

    Enough is enough. We retirees are on the brink of being left homeless and hungry!!!! Let's elect Obama with the Clinton's winning economic team as portrayed above and let them get us out of this REPUBLICAN MESS!!!

  • Posted By: Bluegrass Woman @ 10/12/2008 12:33:21 PM

    Is there some comic book publishing the lies (obvious to any sane person) spewed by Greg Neubeck, that is available only to the crazy extremists? This guy must live in a vacuum and read only what is made up by his group. Why would any sane person put forth information that is so easily disproven? However, to try to reason with such a person by presenting the truth would be like trying to convince a pedophile that a two year old isn't flirting with him. Scary that this person and his Nazi buddies can vote!

  • Posted By: mittzdad @ 10/12/2008 12:30:51 PM

    The verbosity and vocabulary employed by the previous poster fails to obscure the lies that he, his candidates and party attempt to perpetuate. The only radicals running for high office in 2008 are on the Republican ticket - I suggest that they and their supporters put down the Kool-Aid, crack pipe and propagandized insults, and join the rest of us in actually trying to do something for the country that so many have shed precious blood for.

  • Posted By: voicewithin @ 10/12/2008 12:30:48 PM

    McCain / Palin are on the bottom side of low!!

    McCain and Palin promotion of hatred against Obama is wrong! Advocating that Obama is friendly with terrorists is a lie! Suggesting that Obama has associations with people who are supporters of terrorists is absolute falsehood!

    I DO NOT BELIEVE MCCAIN OR PALIN ARE CHRISTIANS! They are liars!!

    Folks we now have a 16,000,000,000,000.00 deficit. McCain is responsible for supporting DEREGULATION of Wall Street CONSISTENTLY for 25 years! McCain CONTINUES TO SUPPORT INCREASING OUR DEFICEIT by reducing taxes for LARGE CORPORATIONS AND THE WEALITHEST AMERICANS. MCCAIN SUPPORTS WAR IN IRAQ REGARDLESS OF THE COST!! MCCAIN supports a brand of politics that is wrong for America. His sidekick Sarah 666 Palin was investigated and found guilty by Alaskan Republicans of government ABUSE! Palin used her power as governor to pressure and fire individuals who disagreed with her view!

    For more information on McCain and Palin visit http://www.ibelievethis.us

  • Posted By: gneubeck @ 10/12/2008 12:06:50 PM

    In perhaps the greatest irony in American history an individual who: because of numerous long-term subversive associations; admitted heavy drug use; and, failure to produce a birth certificate - could NOT pass a basic FBI background check for an initial security clearance, is considered to be a serious contender for the Presidency of the United States! How is it possible that a man who is widely recognized as the least experienced; and, most radical far-left extremist ever nominated by a major political party could beguile so many simply because, while anchored to a teleprompter, he's a SLICK TALKER? A man who, was a principal architect of the mortgage meltdown; and, an individual who labored feverishly to engineer an American defeat in Iraq, in perhaps the ONLY forthright moment of his extended campaign, Barack "ACORN" Obama, while being interviewed on ABC, lamented the dispersions frequently cast against: "MY MUSLIM FAITH". The ascendancy of this charlatan, along with his characteristically angry, "Hate America" wife, Michelle Obama, to the Presidency would unquestionably mark the portending demise of our Constitutional Republic that so many have shed their precious blood to nurture and preserve. Greg Neubeck

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 10/12/2008 11:08:38 AM

    Obama's intent for a bottom up economy is about the only rational approach,
    The shortsighted view and obvious destructive result of the corporate capitalism/trickle down economics that Reagan, Bush and now McCain clings too is clearly a disastrous experiment, some day soon I would like to see the term free enterprise used to once again describe what America is all about.

    Two recent reports by noted economists stated the economy is now based on housing prices, and when the price of housing went back up things would get better?
    First most Americans are already priced out of the market, and things get better when more are priced out?
    Apparently when the prices go back up and more Americans have higher equity they can borrow more and get the economy moving again, fine solution push more people further into debt and things are going to be fine?
    When these so called economists realize we now have no source or mechanism to generate income other than our equity things might start to turn around.
    I'm convinced these so called economists have not a clue when it comes to business, while they may have great expertise at maximizing the bottom line it comes at the expense of the middle class, and now has reached the point where the destruction of the middle class is obvious.
    A bottom up economy includes most if not every American in the process, Even the person who sweeps the floor and cleans the bathroom is important to the success of a business, Reagan didn't get it Bush doesn't get it and now McCain doesn't get it.
    Creating a business and making it successful is an art form, it will in due course happen due in large part to the creativeness, ingenuity and energy of the people of America.
    First however while both Bush and McCain have acknowledged this fact they have to get out and stay out of the way.
    When Bush took office this country had made great strides toward peace and prosperity and the new millennium looked hopeful, American now looks more like 1929.
    It's going to be a long hard road back, but its time to take the first steps.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/12/2008 10:57:03 AM

    This link of a CSPAN video clip may help set the context, as these hearings were at the time of McCains attempt at S.190.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    "Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis"

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/12/2008 10:56:38 AM

    Even Bill Clinton points to liberal Congressional Democrats??? protection of Fannie and Freddie from scrutiny as a primary cause of the current economic meltdown.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsynspIqAoE

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/12/2008 1:07:39 AM


    IF you WANT a SOCIALISTIC country evolving under a Obama/Biden administration (if you are all for the redistribution of our US wealth to the rest of the world), vote for Obama/Biden. PLS. READ THIS ARTICLE:

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    (Part 1 of 3)

    Obamas Global Tax Act
    By INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY - Posted Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:20 PM PT

    Election 2008: A plan by Barack Obama to REDISTRIBUTE AMERICAN WEALTH on a global level is moving forward in the Senate. It follows MARXIST THEOLOGY ??? from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

    We are CITIZENS OF THE WORLD, Sen. Obama told thousands of nonvoting Germans during his recent tour (July 2008) of the Middle East and Europe. And if the GLOBAL POVERTY ACT (S. 2433) he has sponsored becomes law, which is almost certain if he wins in November, we are also going to be TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD.

    Speaking in Berlin, Obama said: While the 20th century taught us that we share a common destiny, the 21st has revealed a world more intertwined than at any time in human history.

    What the 20th century really showed was a series of TOTALITARIAN THREATS - from fascism to Nazism to communism - defeated by the U.S. military. Hitlers Germany, Mussolinis Italy, Tojos Japan and the Soviet Union offered destinies we did not share.
    Our destiny of peace and freedom through strength was not achieved by a trans-nationalist fantasy of buying the world a Coke and singing Kumbaya.

    OBAMAS GLOBAL POVERTY ACT offers us a GLOBAL SOCIALIST DESTINY we do not want, one that CHALLENGES AMERICAS very SOVEREIGNTY. The former POST-RACIAL candidate obviously intends to be a post-national president.


    (Continued in the Reply area to this post below)

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/12/2008 1:11:44 AM


      (Continued from my post above - Obamas Global Tax Act )



      (Part 2 of 3)

      A statement from Obamas office says: With billions of people living on just dollars a day around the world, global poverty remains one of the greatest challenges and tragedies the international community faces. It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty and ensuring every child has food, shelter and clean drinking water.

      These are worthy goals, BUT note there is NO MENTION of spreading democracy, expanding free trade, PROMOTING ENTREPRENEURIAL CAPITALISM or RIDDING the world of DESPOTS who rule and ravage countries such as Zimbabwe and Sudan.

      Obama would GIVE THEM ALL A FISH WITHOUT TEACHING THEM HOW TO FISH. Pledging to CUT GLOBAL POVERTY IN HALF ON THE BACKS OF U.S. TAXPAYERS is a ridiculous and impossible goal.

      His legislation refers to the MILLENNIUM DEVELOPMENT GOAL, a phrase from a declaration adopted by the United Nations Millennium Assembly in 2000 and supported by President Clinton. It calls for the ERADICATION OF POVERTY in part through the REDISTRIBUTION (OF) WEALTH OF LAND and A FAIR DISTRIBUTION OF THE EARTHs resources. In other words: American resources.
      It is A MANTRA OF LIBERALS that the U.S. is only a small portion of the worlds population yet consumes an unseemly portion of the planets supposedly finite resources. Never mentioned is the fact that Americas population, just 5% of the worlds total, also produces a stunning 27% of the worlds GDP . . . to the enormous benefit of other countries. Nonetheless, THEIR SOLUTION is to SIPHON OFF THE PRODUCT OF OUR FREE DEMOCRACY AND DISTRIBUTE IT.

      WE ALREADY TRANSFER TOO MUCH NATIONAL WEALTH TO THE UNITED NATIONS and its busybody agencies. Obamas bill would FORCE (it will be mandatory) U.S. taxpayers to FORK OVER ' 0.7% ' OF OUR GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT EVERY YEAR to fund a global war on poverty, spending well above the $16.3 billion in global poverty aid the U.S. already spends.

      Over a 13-year period, from 2002, when the U.N.s Financing for Development Conference was held, to the target year of 2015, when the U.S is expected to meet its part of the U.N. Millennium goals, we would be spending an ADDITIONAL $65 BILLION ANNUALLY for a total of $845 billion.

      During a TIME OF ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, the plan would COST EVERY AMERICAN taxpayer around $2,500 !


      THERE IS MORE. . . HERE IS THE FULL ARTICLE FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN READING MORE:

      http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=302222641317480

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/12/2008 1:20:26 AM




        S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007 - sponsored by Barack Obama:

        A bill to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/12/2008 1:33:04 AM


          Well at least Obamas Half Brother in Kenya will benefit from this act/bill if passed next year cuz he is one who lives on a $1 a month in a hut in Africa:

          ARTICLE: http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2008/08/20/obamas-half-brother-lives-in-hut/

          VIDEOS:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xGaVf96gIA
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dECCKOSYM4g
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zB8eKTEe9M


          65. S.2433 : A bill to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.
          Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 12/7/2007) Cosponsors (30)
          Committees: Senate Foreign Relations
          Senate Reports: 110-331
          Latest Major Action: 4/24/2008 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 718.


          http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/d?d110:0:./temp/~bdns0N:[[o]]&items=100&|/bss/d110query.html|

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/12/2008 1:25:30 AM

    This link of a CSPAN video may help set the context, as these hearings were at the time of McCains attempt at S.190.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    "Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis"

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