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  • Posted By: melandmike @ 10/13/2008 11:04:43 AM

    HolyRoller, JoseMarti and similar posters: Do me, yourself and the GOP Party a favor: Put just half the effort that you put into bashing Obama and the Democrats into praising the real values of the Republican Party and it's ticket if you want to get McCain elected. All of this peurile and acrimonious name calling, smearing and outright antagonization is not helping our cause, makes the conservative base look childish, unintelligent, frightened and self serving. It turns off Independent voters and so basically serves the Dem's interests.

    • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 10/13/2008 2:36:36 PM

      McCain and Palin do not stick to the Americans Suck First campaign which Obama and Biden speak to and from on a constant basis!
      McCain and Palin do not associate with a modern version of old 60's radicle terrorist and communist wannabes!
      America is a great country! And americans are a fantastic people!




      • Posted By: JuliaCar @ 10/13/2008 4:44:05 PM

        John McCain is a child in an old man's body. He is (to quote Prince Philip on his son Prince Charles) an emotional pillow. He can obviously be pushed and swayed by the greedy avaricious people around him to do WHATEVER it takes to WIN. I have watched and read it all in the past 10 months and from what I can see....for McCain it is all about the WIN....not about the country. He believes it is his turn. I saw Ed Rollins on CNN over the weekend and he echoed this same sentiment...that McCain has changed...that there is a sense of entitlement in his drive to be president. As much as I do not like Mitt Romney, he would have been a much better candidate....he is, as Jonathn Alter says....an adult. His choice of Sarah Palin is the prime example of his cynicism and for her part she should be ashamed of herself for becoming a shill for the extreme philosophy on the far reactionary right. I totally agree with Jonathon Alter's assessment of where the Republican Party has gone. It is hard to understand why, sometimes, when you realize that in my lifetime, since 1947, Democrats have only had the Whitehouse.....what?....4 times?

      • Posted By: steve02001 @ 10/13/2008 4:40:31 PM

        DelusionalAmerican: you have obviously drank the Kool-Aid and are rambling incoherently. Try to focus, McBush is toat, the GOP is going to loose by a landslide and there is no stoping the next President of the USA, Barack Obama!

  • Posted By: Evax @ 10/13/2008 4:36:09 PM

    List of Palin's crimes = Trap an innocent human soul in a lifelong jail by intentionally bringing a Down-syndrome child to the world + Allow her daughter to provide free sexual intercourse to wild boys (a serious violation to the Bible) + Stir KKK emotions on stumps. To show judgement and courage, McCain has to nix Palin immediately even at the expense of losing the campaign.

  • Posted By: steve02001 @ 10/13/2008 2:21:03 PM

    Let's face it, McBush is toast! He's loosing in both the popular vote and the electoral vote, the voting trends show Obama increasing his lead, McBush's campaign is schizophrenic at best, and his running mate has just been caught in a big lie in troopergate. All Obama has to do is to keep the states he is already winning in and he's got the election. McBush is in the same place HiIllary was 4 months ago, between a rock and another rock. Checkmate Obama!

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 10/13/2008 9:41:02 AM

    McCain seems to have suddenly realized his base is largely a bunch of nut jobs.
    It is interesting that McCain got booed when he said Obama was a "Decent family man"
    It has to be difficult to risk loosing support if you say something nice about someone but that is the point the GOP has reached.
    If you peruse the posters who purport to be Republicans it becomes evident the GOP is the anti everything party.
    These people are anti abortion, anti science, anti global warming, anti entitlements, anti black, anti liberal, anti change, anti labor, and on and on.
    It seems they believe if they are in opposition to an issue people will believe they know something about that issue no one else does.
    What is troubling is they represent a very large group of voters that McCain is trying to hang on too, and will lose if he comes out pro anything. He should be given credit for admitting global warming was real, at the risk of losing the Dobson followers no doubt.
    But it's clear the Republicans have no vision for the future other than the self serving posture they have had for a very long time and cannot see it as the problem it is.
    But if they come out pro anything they are likely to be called a liberal or a socialitst or worse.

  • Posted By: morganrbarney @ 10/13/2008 1:13:12 AM

    The problem wasn't McCain. It was a nowhere opportunity. In fact the reality is that McCain should be down to Obama by 60%. The Republicans are mirred with Bush (below 25% approval) and Congress (below 20% approval). They dislike McCain and have been against him all along. Money has been short and most of them have been absent in support and financial support.

    Even as the country moves to the left, the Republican's have ruined their chances in the white house. It may not have been all of them, but the far right who have run the party for years continue to run the party into the ground.

    The beauty of it is that McCain was able to stick with Obama for so long. That is even with the stabbing from the right.

  • Posted By: PaulStewart @ 10/11/2008 5:18:27 PM

    It is simple, McCain does not get it. He is not leadership material. And he is getting old. At 72, with all the weight of his war wounds on his body, the history of recurring cancer, he is one foot in the grave. And to put the weight of the Presidency on this man, is almost unfair. Consider, his daddy and his daddy's daddy both passed away younger than 72. And McCain himself looks older at times than his mum who is in her 90's. A vote for McCain for President is somewhere between 25% and 50% a vote for Palin as President. That would clearly be stupid.I can see why they are going down this path with the campaign. They don't have a strong candidate. They don't have a strong ticket. They don't have a strong campaign team. McCain does not understand economics. McCain does not understand the middle class. Or lower class. I mean, being at the bottom of the class in Naval Academy does make you lower class. Unfortunately he does not understand strategy either. Nor does he have a vision for this country. And his temperament is not good. So, the clear shot a winning is to take out Obama. In any way they can. And this is getting a bit like the Bobby Kennedy thing with Clinton - so many parallels in the way both candidates are losing to Obama. I mean, leading and inciting anti-Obama GOP rallies with hate and not reigning in the things being said. That is unAmerican. It is more like the K3 would do. What is next? MkKkain is going insane.

    • Posted By: Baked Alaska @ 10/12/2008 10:48:53 PM

      Grammar aside Mr Stewart, your points are clear. If grammar makes conclussions suspect, there would be a bounty on Palin's head after every speaking engagement.

    • Posted By: le114424 @ 10/11/2008 5:25:04 PM

      The poster does not know or understand grammar that makes the conclusions very suspect.

      • Posted By: hexagon_sun @ 10/11/2008 7:22:28 PM

        I see PaulStewart presenting a long argument which is admittedly full of lingual errors, and le114424 making a one sentence rebuttal on the guy's lingual errors. I think PaulStewart wins this one.

        • Posted By: getAgripUSA @ 10/12/2008 1:22:32 PM

          I concur. Paul Stewart in a landslide.
          Perhaps he is a republican who is in touch with his rational side.
          Just a pity he still rambles on like a republican ;)

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 10/12/2008 8:23:44 PM

    THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CANDIDATE!

    NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY HAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BEEN GIVEN SUCH A FREE PASS BY THE PRESS AND JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE!

    I AM WAITING FOR A BLACK PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TO MAKE IT ON HIS OWN MERIT.

    COLIN POWELL COMES TO MIND!

    • Posted By: sirhc @ 10/12/2008 10:29:57 PM

      HILARIOUS. YOU FORGET THE FACT THAT THERE IS A "C" STUDENT WHO CANNOT SPEAK PROPER ENGLISH IN THE WHITEHOUSE RIGHT NOW WHO GOT INTO COLLEGE BECAUSE OF HIS DADDY? OR THAT JOHN MCCAIN IS A "D-" STUDENT WHO GOT INTO COLLEGE BECAUSE OF HIS DADDY? OR THE FACT SARAH QUAYLIN TOOK 6 YEARS AND 4 COLLEGES TO GRADUATE WITH A 4 YEAR JOURNALISM DEGREE?
      SENATOR OBAMA WAS A 4.3 HARVARD "LAW" GRADUATE AND PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW( A JOB MCCAIN NOR QUAYLIN COULD QUALIFY FOR RIGHT FREAKIN NOW). NEVERMIND OBAMA BECOMING A CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY AND THEN A CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR.......................SORRY............YOU PAINT MCCAIN AND PALIN BLACK AND THEY LOOK LIKE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ON HEROIN.
      BTW-YOU DO HAVE A BLACK CANDIDATE WHO RAN FOR PRESIDENT FOR REPUBLICANS. HIS NAME IS ALAN KEYES. A TRUE CONSERVATIVE, VERY INTELLIGENT, ACCOMPLISHED AND EDUCATED. EVENTHOUGH I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH HIM ON EVERYTHING THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH. BUT YOU GUYS RUN HIM OUT OF THE RACE IN THE FIRST WEEK FOR THE GENUIS IN THE WHITEHOUSE NOW. I WONDER WHY?

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 10/12/2008 7:03:05 AM

    Dear Mr. Alter.
    The question is does the DNC have the strength to keep AKORN from taking ovrr the DNC? A good question because ACORN is an extention of the WEATHERMEN who took over the Students for aDemocratic Society to twist it to Ayres bidding!
    Obama does not have the strength top preserve the DNC The DNC will fall prey to ACORN and confusion, deception and lies beforthe rest of the country.
    Obama is a fraud.

    • Posted By: Baked Alaska @ 10/12/2008 10:06:36 PM

      I don't know why you are thehappyamerican-------------your candidate (my ex-candidate) is falling more behind every day. He's my ex partly because I refuse to be associated on any level with the likes of you, the bimbo who called Obama an Arab, and the trash that booed McCain for not being dirty enough.

    • Posted By: dsqard @ 10/12/2008 10:17:53 AM

      happyamerican do tell where you are getting the fine crack you must be smoking. The next thing you will be saying is that Obama is the anti-christ from Mars who is only here to suck out the brains of all human life on the planet. We can agree to disagree on politics but it is the continuous repeating of lies and fear mongering that is causing the most harm to McCain right now. You are not helping your candidate buy continuing on this track.

      • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 10/12/2008 5:15:53 PM

        My friends this isn't a crack delusion. Happy is having LSD flashbacks behind the keyboard. Please be a real friend and keep your friends from typing while using LSD. Or it may just be that McCain's erratic thinking is caused by a virus and RepubliCON hacks have no natural immunity.

      • Posted By: terrifiedinvegas @ 10/12/2008 4:57:44 PM

        It truly is amazing, the people who spout this endless, ugly tripe. It's like a receipe for hate and they can list all the indredients but are completely clueless as to how they go together (or more to the point, DON'T). Take 1 cup of Obama, stir in some nonsense about Tony Rezco (his wife actually), add William Ayers (ignore the fact that it's stale by 40 years), pop in some ACORN and Muslim conspiracy theory (huh?), add as much Rev Wright as you can stomach, then sprinkle heavily with Sean Hannity. Half-bake and serve with a nice glass of fear mongering at a McCain rally. Yummmy, the right-wing base has been fed, now staep aside and let the reasonable people vote.

  • Posted By: navigator04usn @ 10/12/2008 6:45:12 PM

    I know and admire John McCain. Yet, for only the second time since 1968 I???m not going to vote for the Republican standard bearer in a presidential election. The party has abandoned the people who made it grand (as in grand old Party) and crawled into bed with the fundamentalist Christian right willingly and without coercion. All because it won a couple of elections and provided a basis for governing that promised so much more. While there may be some omissions and stretch in this article, on the whole it pretty well sums up the current shipwreck and the fact that the GOP needs to look deeply and reflectively at itself and its bed mates. I was asked recently what could scare me more the radical left and my answer; ???the radical right aided by the radical Christian fundamentalists.??? One (1), they have more guns than the left and, two (2), they want to usurp Democracy and the Constitution and replace them with a conservative Christian theocracy. Which brings me to my closing, we have more to fear from the fundamentalist Christian right than we do fundamentalist Islam. Why? They are over there and our Christian brethren are right here in the good old USofA, spreading their vitriol and hatred and wondering why their adherents call for death to the other presidential candidate, Barak Obama. That scene is the one that made up my mind as to whether I could, in good conscience, vote republican this year. Sorry John!

    • Posted By: Elizabeth R @ 10/12/2008 9:43:08 PM

      I've already responded to one post this afternoon and I rarely have enough to say to write two in a day. However, although navigator04usn and I probably disagree on many issues, we're in total agreement on the danger of the Religious Right. These folks are indeed very scary and even more so because they are, as he points out, right here in in the USA (think Waco) Although Islamic terrorists are certainly a concern, I'm much more worried about our very own home-grown radicals, who sow hate and divisiveness in the name of "Christianity" at every turn. I haven't been religious for a very long time because I firmly believe that much of the war, death and suffering in this world can be laid at the feet of one religion or another. (This isn't to say that religion cannot be a force for good--the problem is that all too often it's not.) Being a lifelong Democrat with Independent leanings, I doubt that I'll ever vote Republican. However, I would hope that the GOP eventually will return to its roots, expel the radical right and once again embrace its moderate wing. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be on the horizon, and Sen. McCain has not helped bring about reconciliation. I still respect his service to the country and hope he returns to the principled man he once seemed to be.

  • Posted By: Right is RIGHT!!! @ 10/12/2008 9:19:35 PM

    The article repigs do not want you to see

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1

  • Posted By: trogers @ 10/12/2008 7:54:26 PM

    The McCain campaign is the same combination of hate and fear and tax cuts that all Republican candidates have used for the past 50 years. Hate is great because it unifies the base. Fear keeps the voters focused on the danger of other people and ideas. Tax cuts serve as one size fits all economic policy that have resulted in a borrow and spend, public and private culture. Over the years McCain has used all three of the Republican themes in campaign after campaign. They are part of his DNA as they are part of the DNA of all Republicans throughout the country. After 50 years of the same message is it really a surprise that many members of the Republican base are hateful, intolerant, and paranoid? Is it any wonder that the only economic plan they understand is tax cuts, tax cuts, and tax cuts? They know that because they are right nobody else deserves any rights. They know God's will and only they speak for God. They know the only good opposition is the dead opposition. Sen. McCain is the follower of this ideology , not the leader of it. The financial crisis ruined a conventional Republican campaign by a conventional Republican politician which probably would have worked another time. Most of the time: hate works; fear works; and tax cuts work. It could still work this time.

  • Posted By: ramons1308 @ 10/12/2008 6:42:20 PM

    I agree with the author, McCain does need to break from President Bush. One of the most successful antics of the Obama campaign has done is equate McCain with Bush with his McCain is more of the same ads. What everyone seems to forget is one of the key reasons McCain lost to Bush for the nominatin in 2000 was that McCain didn't toe the party line enough. He, like just about everyone else in this partisan government, has been voting along party lines. This would have been fine, except the the President's approval rating has been in the toliet for so long now. All Senator Obama has done is say very little about what he would do if elected and keep repeating that everything that is wrong in AMerica today is a result of President Bush & John McCain.
    However, blaming President Bush is a vast oversimplification, and since no one really want to think about it, they believe it. I'm not saying President Bush has been a good president. I don't think history will look kindly upon his presidency. The problems with our economy also lie within the mismanagement of companies in a free market.
    President Bush did not run General Motors into the ground. At least 30 years of corporate mismanagement hav edoen that. President Bush did not run all of the banks that ran into the ground over the last 18 months. He did not run Enron. All of these companies failing is a result of short-sighted executives taking big quick profits for bonuses.
    Also, President Bush did not lower the interest rate. That was Alan Greenspan, who did a great job runnign the Federal Reserve for so many years, until 2001. Let's go back to the summer of 2001. The economy after years of growing, was starting to go into a typical, cyclical slowdown. Companies were starting to lay a few people off, and to stimlate the economy Greenspan lowered the interest rate. Then, 9/11 happened, and the economy took another big hit. So the rate was lowered again and again, reaching historic lows.
    This caused home builders and mortgage companies to boom. That's when people started buying homes they couldn't afford. Others opened up home equity lines of credit and spent more than they should. Home values shot up because the demand was so great. Everything would be great as long as the housing bubble didn't bust, and people could get out of their ARM loans before they adjusted too high for them to afford their mortgages. The bubble burst, foreclosures skyrocketed.
    Again though, there's even more factors for the economy going so porrly right now. To lay all the blame on the President is tremendous oversimplification, and anyone who believes it is all the President's fault is wrong.
    For all those who want the truth, don't go to a Obama website. All you will get there are half lies and oversimplifications that belittle your intelligence. Go to independent websites, and go to several of them

    • Posted By: gregm52246 @ 10/12/2008 7:51:39 PM

      Thanks, ramons--you actually have several intelligent points to make re: the housing bubble--though I'd add that predatory lenders--meaning lenders who lied to the faces of people they were loaning to (which is fraud)--were a problem. I'd disagree with a couple of things you said--Obama's been very clear about his plans; indeed, if you go to his website, you can download a sixty-page small print document called "The Blueprint for Change." Whether or not he can *accomplish* the things he proposes is open to debate, but, from comparing their websites and statements, he's far more detailed than McCain.
      You also didn't mention another big reason for the economic collapse--Gramm-Leach-Bliely, a 1999 Republican-sponsored bill (but Clinton-signed, unfortunately--that let bank holding companies own other financial companies--that helped generate the rampant speculation and the companies that were "too big to fail." Adam Smith himself agreed that free markets need some regulation to truly function well. Bush didn't *run* all the banks to into the ground, true, but he refused to listen to people who warned that lack of regulation *would* run the banks into the ground.
      B

  • Posted By: Reclaim GOP @ 10/12/2008 7:42:02 PM

    The Republican party's leaders decided months ago to "throw John McCain under the bus." And this choice makes me wonder what I and other Republicans must do to rescue our party from the likes of Tom Delay and George Bush. Yes, Obama will win in November, and I am voting for him. But that's just the beginning of the fight to take back the Republican party.



  • Posted By: trazer222 @ 10/12/2008 7:40:24 PM

    Its interesting to note how many themes this political campaign has had. 1) Get us out of Iraq was the main reason to vote for Obama. He now wants to invade Afgahinstan, Pakistan, possibly Iran, several African countries. 2) Drill - Drill - Drill (and that disappeared when the Middle East lowered their price of gas. 3) Foreclosures - Obama is not for renegotiated mortgages. Obama sounds so Republican....its odd.

  • Posted By: navigator04usn @ 10/12/2008 6:52:16 PM

    I know and admire John McCain. Yet, for only the second time since 1968 I???m not going to vote for the Republican standard bearer in a presidential election. The party has abandoned the people who made it grand (as in grand old Party) and crawled into bed with the fundamentalist Christian right; willingly and without coercion. All because it won a couple of elections and provided a basis for governing that promised so much more. While there may be some omissions and stretch in this article, on the whole it pretty well sums up the current shipwreck and the fact that the GOP needs to look deeply and reflectively at itself and its bed mates. I was asked recently what could scare me more the radical left? My answer; ???the radical right aided by radical Christian fundamentalists.??? One (1), they have more guns than the left and, two (2), they want to usurp Democracy and the Constitution and replace them with a conservative Christian theocracy. Which brings me to my closing; we have more to fear from the fundamentalist Christian right than we do fundamentalist Islam. Why? They are over there and our Christian brethren are right here in the good old USofA, spreading their vitriol and hatred and wondering why their adherents call for death to the other presidential candidate, Barak Obama. That scene is the one that made up my mind as to whether I could, in good conscience, vote republican this year. Sorry John, but the Genie is out of the bottle and now you???ve got to ride the whirlwind!

  • Posted By: ClassicGirl79 @ 10/12/2008 2:46:50 AM

    I am a staunch Obama supporter, but I remember a time when I said, loudly and proudly, that there were two Republicans I'd vote for without a second thought: Colin Powell and John McCain. Watching John McCain disintegrate into the travesty that he has become leaves me with the same dull ache inside that I felt when I watched Hillary Clinton do the same thing during the primaries. Both people I'd once respected self-destructed because of their desperation to take Sen. Obama down.

    When I saw Sen. McCain's exchange with the "woman in red" at his rally, I felt a lump in my throat. Every so often - It's rare now, but it still happens - you can catch a fleeting glimpse of the man John McCain once was, the man I had such respect and admiration for.

    It breaks my heart.

    • Posted By: Elizabeth R @ 10/12/2008 6:37:06 PM

      Although I'm another staunch Obama supporter, at one time I, too, respected John McCain. It has been disappointing to see him engage in the very tactics he once (rightfully) denounced. I absolutely deplore the "politics of personal destruction" and believe that these tactics should play no role in electing our President--or even the position of dogcatcher for that matter. There can and should be heated debate about issues and policies, but let's put the personal attacks aside. Sen. Obama is NOT a terrorist nor does he "pal around" with terrorists, as Gov. Palin loudly proclaims at every opportunity. He served on an education board with Bill Ayers, whose radical activities took place when Sen. Obama was in grade school. Sen. McCain needs to return to the person he once was--whether or not he wins this election.

    • Posted By: dsqard @ 10/12/2008 10:28:40 AM

      Amen sister

  • Posted By: waxtadpole @ 10/11/2008 6:27:19 PM

    The most significant Republicans in this equation aren't the GOP wheeler-dealers, and it isn't poor old John McCain. It's the responsible, rational, fiscally-conservative but charitable mainstream Republicans who are standing by, silent, while McCain, Palin and their remaining gaggle of no-nothing supporters drag their party down the drain. They need to stand up and speak up and do it soon, even if it means declaring their support for Barack Obama, or theirs will cease to be a major party in 10 years.

    • Posted By: ArmyVet @ 10/12/2008 6:36:12 PM

      Enter Your Comment
      Well said and very true!

  • Posted By: The Dominican @ 10/12/2008 6:28:58 PM

    I hope if your candidate wins you get the position offered in the new goverment... BIAS

  • Posted By: The Dominican @ 10/12/2008 6:28:05 PM

    ha ha ha ha !! BIAS

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/12/2008 5:25:10 PM

    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide ,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch , Fanny and Freddy Mae ,AIG
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt. Even with the goverment nationalizing hundreds of billions of dollars in debt the stock market is crashing
    the credit markets are frozen and all of us may suffer beyond anything in the last 80 years.
    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.
    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He didnt realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime. Check out this link to the truth http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a crashing economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why are the polls even close then ?
    Mccains team just said they no longer want to talk about the economy.Instead they would like to spend time talking about obama
    which means running the biggest smear campaign in history.
    They think they can just tell you lies and you wont be smart enough to see through it
    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .
    Elect Obama Biden 2008


    Check out this video of sarah palins interview and ask your self if she understands what she is talking about.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

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