Honestly, looking at McCain and Obama objectively (without any party affiliation or any racism) I really can't see why anybody would vote for McCain. Obama has offered a much more coherent plan to get America out of the economic disaster we are in.
Right now, most people are anxious about the economy, fearing the worst but hoping for the best.
Reality check: within 18 months YOU could be standing in a bread line. That's how bad it really is. And Obama will work actively to prevent this short term, as well as make us strong again long term. As much as I like McCain and admire his patriotism, he really is not up for the job, not now with the global markets falling apart.
Obama's economic plan can be found at:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/index.php
Demur, Dodge, Punt
It seems un-American, and politically suicidal, to suggest some belt-tightening—let alone new taxes.
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Posted By: Nins @ 10/30/2008 2:53:59 PM
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Posted By: Nins @ 10/30/2008 2:53:39 PM
Taxation is and always has been a redistribution of wealth. Once you recognize that point, the question is, how are we going to spend the money we raise in taxes?
For the past 8 years, our tax dollars have gone to killing civilians in Iraq and giving big payoffs to Halliburton (co-incidentally owned by the Cheney family). And since there wasn't enough in the Treasury to do this in style, we borrowed money from communist China and ran up the national debt to pay for it. Then, once the fallout from the Republican deregulation of corporations kicked in and the market started collapsing, the tax dollars are also being stretched to bail out the Wall Street fat cats.
Like 80% of Americans, I am sick of this particular redistribution plan.
Obama's plan reduces taxes on 95% of Americans. The other 5% of us (who make over $250,000 a year) can afford to pay an extra 3%. That extra 3% comes out to only $300 for every $10,000 they make above $250,000. If you make over $250,000 a year, $300 probably doesn't mean much to you. The other source of increased revenue will be making corporations that ship jobs overseas pay a higher share of tax. Right now, these corporations pay a lower share than companies that keep their employees in the USA. No more incentives to hurt America. We all can agree with that.
Obama promises to go through the Federal budget line by line and cut all the wasteful spending. He promises to have transparency, a website where you can go and actually see the real Federal budget, not the made for TV version you can access under Bush.
Furthermore, Obama's economic plans will lead to a strong economy, an educated workforce, more American based jobs, affordable health care, and freedom from foreign oil. We will regain our position as a world leader, a nation that spreads democracy not with guns and threats, but with prosperity and diplomacy.
How do I know this? I read Obama's Blueprint for Change. And I compared it to what McCain had to offer (more tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, more wars, a really inadequate health plan, and the stated intention of overturning Roe v. Wade). You really should visit the websites of both candidates and read their platforms.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d4a6RNhCUo
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Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 10/29/2008 3:23:12 PM
Now Barack Hussein Obama is a close friend of and praises a PLO supporter in Rashid Khalid
and the LA Times has the video tape proof.
Obama makes Bill Belichek look like an angel with all these disturbing videos floating around of
Obama's radical associations.
It???s pretty easy for Obama or anyone else to attack George Bush on his economic policies but Obama can't attack George Bush on his record on fighting terrorists to protect America while he
is busy wining and dining with terrorists !!
Barack Hussein Obama should be tried for treason and being a threat to US national security.
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Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 10/29/2008 2:17:25 AM
ELECTION 2008
Obama worked with terrorist
Senator helped fund organization that rejects 'racist' Israel's existence
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Posted: February 24, 2008
5:44 pm Eastern
By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
JERUSALEM ??? The board of a nonprofit organization on which Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe" and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens.
The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.
In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, for which Khalidi's wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.
Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000.
Obama served on the Wood's Fund board alongside William C. Ayers, a member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol in 1971.
Ayers, who still serves on the Woods Fund board, contributed $200 to Obama's senatorial campaign fund and has served on panels with Obama at numerous public speaking engagements. Ayers admitted to involvement in the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s. He is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
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Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 10/29/2008 12:35:50 AM
Obama advisor wants talks with terrorists
The revelations about Obama's relationship with Khalidi follows a recent WND article quoting Israeli security officials who expressed "concern" about Robert Malley, an adviser to Obama who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.
Malley, a principal Obama foreign policy adviser, has penned numerous opinion articles, many of them co-written with a former adviser to the late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, petitioning for dialogue with Hamas and blasting Israel for numerous policies he says harm the Palestinian cause.
Malley also previously penned a well-circulated New York Review of Books piece largely blaming Israel for the collapse of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations at Camp David in 2000 when Arafat turned down a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and eastern sections of Jerusalem and instead returned to the Middle East to launch an intifada, or terrorist campaign, against the Jewish state.
Malley's contentions have been strongly refuted by key participants at Camp David, including President Bill Clinton, then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and primary U.S. envoy to the Middle East Dennis Ross, all of whom squarely blamed Arafat's refusal to make peace for the talks' failure. -
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/27/2008 8:37:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
2001 Chicago Public Citizen Radio Interview criticizing the Warren Court as not radical enough for not pursuing redistribution of wealth.
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/26/2008 9:31:32 PM
The Kennedy tax cut.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg1765.cfm
About half way through the article.
"President Kennedy proposed massive tax-rate reductions, which were passed by Congress and became law after he was assassinated. The 1964 tax cut reduced the top marginal personal income tax rate from 91 percent to 70 percent by 1965. The cut reduced lower-bracket rates as well. In the four years prior to the 1965 tax-rate cuts, federal government income tax revenue--adjusted for inflation--increased at an average annual rate of 2.1 percent, while total government income tax revenue (federal plus state and local) increased by 2.6 percent per year . In the four years following the tax cut, federal government income tax revenue increased by 8.6 percent annually and total government income tax revenue increased by 9.0 percent annually. Government income tax revenue not only increased in the years following the tax cut, it increased at a much faster rate.
The Kennedy tax cut set the example that President Ronald Reagan would follow some 17 years later. By increasing incentives to work, produce, and invest, real GDP growth increased in the years following the tax cuts: More people worked, and the tax base expanded. Additionally, the expenditure side of the budget benefited as well because the unemployment rate was significantly reduced.
Using the Congressional Budget Office's revenue forecasts (made with the full knowledge of the future tax cuts), revenues came in much higher than had been anticipated, even after the "cost""of the tax cut had been taken into account. Additionally, in 1965--one year following the tax cut--personal income tax revenue data exceeded expectations by the greatest amounts in the highest income classes.
Testifying before Congress in 1977, Walter Heller, President Kenned''s Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, summarized:
What happened to the tax cut in 1965 is difficult to pin down, but insofar as we are able to isolate it, it did seem to have a tremendously stimulative effect, a multiplied effect on the economy. It was the major factor that led to our running a $3 billion surplus by the middle of 1965 before escalation in Vietnam struck us. It was a $12 billion tax cut, which would be about $33 or $34 billion in today's terms, and within one year the revenues into the Federal Treasury were already above what they had been before the tax cut.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 10/26/2008 1:20:09 PM
GOP: We federalized credit. Nationalized the banks. Grew the National Debt and the size of government to their biggest size ever. Now emagine what that Socialist Obama will do!!
The links below to legitimate news sources that show that Fannie and Freddie paid many millions of dollars while the Rs were in control of the executive and legislative branches, lobbying Rs only, to prevent regulation of the financial practices that caused the global financial crisis.
One of the biggest recipients of those millions is Rick Davis, McC's campaign manager, who has been recieving up to $35k/mo. since '00 right up to the present. Freddie continued to pay Davis while Davis managed McC's campaign.
And Freddie donated $250k to the R convention.
These facts are everywhere in the legitimate news. You can start at http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html and http://www.newsweek.com/id/164732/page/1 There's much more legitimate news on this.
But the Rs still try to deceive us that it was the Dems' fault!
I was a solid McC supporter and voter until I found out about who paid whom millions to be allowed to loot our economy, and until I realized how extensive and virulent is the R propaganda machine.
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Posted By: walsh @ 10/26/2008 12:44:28 PM
The policies of the past 8 years by our Republican Administration have not worked! We now have the greatest loss of personal wealth since the 1920's! If America's voters feel that the trickle down economics, have worked, then you should vote for Sen. McCain. If however, your 401 retirement plan, your home value or your job are under severe economic pressure, it is time to change administrations and vote for Sen. Obama!
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Posted By: walsh @ 10/26/2008 12:37:27 PM
Our economy is sinking faster than the Titanic and the Republican Party cannot avoid the iceberg which is our economy. The Republican trickle down policies have not and will not work! Now American taxpayers will see more bank failures and more layoffs as companies cycle down for less business and sales. The current administration has had 8 years to put their plans in place to work and they have not!!! Are you and your retirement plans better off now than they were 4-8 years ago? If yes, vote for McCain, if no, vote for Obama.
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Posted By: walsh @ 10/26/2008 12:29:54 PM
Our economy is sinking faster than the Titanic and the Republican Party cannot avoid the iceberg which is our economy. The Republican trickle down policies have not and will not work! Now American taxpayers will see more bank failures and more layoffs as companies cycle down for less business and sales. The current administration has had 8 years to put their plans in place to work and they have not!!! Are you and your retirement plans better off now than they were 4-8 years ago? If yes, vote for McCain, if no, vote for Obama.
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/23/2008 7:24:42 PM
Obama in this video, addressing his work with ACORN litigation relating to the community reinvestment act and the failure of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, as they relate to the current real estate and financial crisis, states that, and I quote:
"Subprime lending started out as a good idea, helping Americans buy homes who previously could not afford to. Financial institutions created new financial instruments that could securitize these loans, slice them into finer and finer risk categories, and spread them out among investors and around the country, as well as around the world. In theory, this should have allowed mortgage lending to be less risky, and more diversified."
He further states:
???"The original idea was a good one, which was, lets see if we can distribute risk more broadly, and make it easier to provide loans to people who otherwise might not be able to get one."
Listen for yourself. You cannot dispute the mans on words recorded live:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related
Obama in this second video is campaigning at a convention of Acorn and I believe two other "Community Activist" organizations. Ask if he will be their ally if he becomes President, Obama says, quote:
"Yes, but let me say that before I even get inaugurated, during the transition we are going to be calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda. We're going to be having meetings all across the country with community organizations so that you have input into the agenda for the next presidency of the United States of America."
See and hear it for yourself. Obama promised that Acorn and other groups like it will setting his agenda if elected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU
See also: http://www.newsweek.com/id/164972
Stating that Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act wasn't what caused the meltdown, and noting that "economists on both sides of the political spectrum have suggested that the act has probably made the crisis less severe than it might otherwise have been."
See also:
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=808692&boardsparam=Page%3d2
Below is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
See also
http://www.newsweek.com/id/164732 from this web site. (oops!) stating that Freddie Mac was spending tax payer money to target Republicans in 2005 who were trying to regulate Fannie and Freddies fraud. Democrats were not targeted, as the were all in the tank with Fannie and Freddie to kill the regulations. Hear that, the article admits that Republicans were trying to regulate Freddie and Fannie, and Democrats were trying to stop it from happening as a means to facilitate the Community Reinvestment Act. -
Posted By: krohn2 @ 10/22/2008 5:07:26 PM
FactCheck.Org is owned by the Annenberg group of Chicago! Talk about a conflict of interest! And Obama has been telling people on the trail to check out the site to verify his opponents claims. Funny, every time that he endorsed something, it turns out to be a part of his spin machine! Like he raised objections in the primaries when Indiana required photo I.D. to vote. He Protested that It took away people's right to vote! I
knew then and there that he was up to no good! America, wake up from the MASS HYPNOSIS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTs1YyhFRg&feature=related-
Posted By: summer1216 @ 10/28/2008 12:16:59 AM
There are plenty of other factcheck organizations (Snopes and Politico, for starters) so check them out, too.
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Posted By: spotthedog @ 10/22/2008 5:06:30 PM
McCain was a socialist before he was a...whatever he is now. Watch him defend the progressive tax system in 2000 in almost exactly the same words Obama used with Joe the plumber.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2JPbQOHEkY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2JPbQOHEkY</a> -
Posted By: krohn2 @ 10/22/2008 5:04:27 PM
FactCheck.Org is owned by the Annenberg group of Chicago! Talk about a conflict of interest! And Obama has been telling people on the trail to check out the site to verify his opponents claims. Funny, every time that he endorsed something, it turns out to be a part of his spin machine! Like he raised objections in the primaries when Indiana required photo I.D. to vote. He Protested that It took away people's right to vote! I
knew then and there that he was up to no good! America, wake up from the MASS HYPNOSIS!
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 10:17:51 PM
See: http://www.newsweek.com/id/164972
Stating that Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act wasn't what caused the meltdown, and noting that "economists on both sides of the political spectrum have suggested that the act has probably made the crisis less severe than it might otherwise have been." -
Posted By: Nins @ 10/21/2008 1:38:24 AM
After 9/11, the US government started rounding up Muslims without cause and without due process of law, and put them in prison camps like we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. The Bush administration called it's main internment camp Guantanamo Bay. While there are certainly many guilty terrorists held in Guantanamo, there are also many innocent American citizens who have been held illegally for years without even being charged with any crime. They have been tortured by our government. Some of them have died.
Recently the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration in the matter of Guantanamo Bay. The Supreme Court Justices were NOT on the side of the terrorists. They were on the side of the Geneva Convention, that says you can not torture POWs, and on the side of US laws that state you can not imprison a person without charging them with a crime and bringing them to trial. I'm sure that like most Americans, the Justices who voted against the illegal, immoral doings at Guantanamo didn't feel sympathy for the terrorists. They felt sympathy for the laws of AMERICA, the land of the FREE, where even rat finks get a fair trial.
Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the Bush administration is busy trying to build a smokescreen to hide the CRIMES they have committed. Those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Just think, the National Debt went up over 6 trillion dollars under Bush. More than 2 trillion of it went directly into the pockets of Halliburton, a corporation owned by the Cheney family. Halliburton is now a DUBAI corporation and therefore is not subject to US taxes. All that money they took out of the US Treasury is going into the coffers of a MUSLIM country.
Did you hear about how the US government is being charged millions for Halliburton deliveries of sand into Iraq from Kuwait? Sand. Like there is a shortage of sand in Iraq? Another contractor shipped sand from Idaho to Iraq at our expense. Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz discusses these and other excesses of our current government's out of control spending in Iraq.
Your grandchildren will be working like slaves to pay off this debt, so that the Bushes and Cheneys can live the high life in Dubai.
Yeah, they're patriots, Bush&Co. They wear flag pins. And hide the money they stole from America in Dubai.
And they want me to believe that Obama is a socialist. Right.
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Posted By: krohn2 @ 10/21/2008 12:21:51 AM
This is so true about how the election is already bought and paid for:
http://www.againstobama.com/2008/10/what-is-it-that-barack-obama-knows-that-the-rest-of-us-don%E2%80%99t/#comment-1929 -
Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/20/2008 9:18:02 PM
Nims: Funny how fast Newsweek took that article : AP IMPACT: Mortgage firm arranged stealth campaign, http://www.newsweek.com/id/164732 , came off the general table of contents for this site once they figured out that, instead of being a bit on those evil lobbiest, it in fact admitted that the Republicans were trying to regulate Freddie and Fannie in 2005 and were targeted by Freddie, and the no Democrats were targeted because they were all in the tank with Freddie and Fannie not to regulate them as a means of promoting the Community Reinvestment Act. I don???t think that article stayed up 24 hrs before they took it off the main screen.
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Posted By: krohn2 @ 10/20/2008 8:51:51 PM
Obama, the excuses are wearing thin. what excuse do you have for this one?:
http://www.againstobama.com/2008/10/obama-praised-searing-and-timely-book-by-ayers/-
Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/20/2008 10:47:14 PM
Were you not just accusing others of repeating their comments all over the place?
No excuse required since you are using a non-substantive
and inflammatory reference.
Means: No truth, Dude.
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/20/2008 3:43:21 PM
Who "Joe the plumber" may be is not the issue, though it's easy to see why the Dems want it to be. That's because the real issue is what Obama's comments to him revealed about Obama. In the exchange with "Joe the plumber" we find out that Obama really is as radical as his early political acquaintances, Davis, Ayers, Wright, etc., and that he is into the failed economic policy of wealth redistribution. Obama's tax and spending plans alone would be bad enough, but add Reid and Pelosi to the mix, with the three of them controlling both houses of Congress and the executive branch without any effective restraint, and you have something that should causes concern even among moderate Democrats.
See Wall Street Journal: A Liberal Supermajority:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html
And whether McCain won or lost the third debate is also not relevant. He succeeded in the first half hour to plant the seeds of a Reagan style wipeout. Reputable historians and economists overwhelmingly agree that the taxation imposed by Hoover and FDR, and the "stimulus" spending and public works programs of FDR, actually deepened and prolonged the Great Depression. It was the production demands of WWII that got the economy going again. And when the war was over, the economy promptly went into recession.
See e.g. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/03/opinion/main4499465.shtml
And
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx
Point is, Obama's programs are tax, and it does not really matter who he taxes, those taxes are going to be passed through the economy. He has to tax, because it is they only way he can pay for his massive social engineering experiments. Any first year economics student knows that taxation is a tool used to contract an economy experiencing inflation, because it reduces demand by reducing the amount of money individuals and businesses have to spend. It is contractionary, which is exactly what you do not want to do when the problem is that the economy is contracting already into recession. Like Hoover and FDR, Obama's plans will only make it worse for longer. -
Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/20/2008 3:43:11 PM
Look and listen for yourself. Hear Obama in his own words discusses his links to both ACORN and the mortgage meltdown, and praises bundling and securitizing mortgages by banks as a means to float loans to the poor. Never mind the link commentators point of view, just listen to what Obama says in his own words. A picture is worth a thousand words. Maybe more in the case of the last half of the second link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related
See also:
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=808692&boardsparam=Page%3d2
This is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
The link below contains a purported list of the top 25 in Congress who got contributions from the folks at Fannie and Freddie. Obama is listed third, after Dodd and Kerry, even though Obama is just a junior Senator. Obama is followed next by Clinton. Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are on the list as well.
http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918
And the link below describes how some Democrats in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN, a group Obama has a long association with. See:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj -
Posted By: haynessemperfi @ 10/18/2008 2:10:04 AM
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE TO BE HELD SUNDAY AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY
The Free and Equal Elections Coalition (FREE) and the Columbia Political Union are pleased to announce that a Presidential debate will be held this coming Sunday, October 19th, 2008, on the campus of Columbia University.
ALL SIX of the Presidential candidates who appear on enough state ballots to acquire the 270 Electoral Votes needed to become President are invited. They are as follows (listed in alphabetical order by affiliation):
Constitution Party Candidate: Chuck Baldwin
Democratic Party Candidate: Barack Obama
Green Party Candidate: Cynthia McKinney
Independent Candidate: Ralph Nader
Libertarian Party Candidate: Bob Barr
Republican Party Can John McCain
The Columbia Political Union will present the debate from 8:00pm to 10:00pm in the Altschul Auditorium, located at 417 International Affairs Building. The debate will be moderated by Pacifica Radio's Amy Goodman, the host of "Democracy Now!". CSPAN will cover the debate, and live radio broadcasts are expected.
"The Columbia Political Union is committed to energizing political discourse on Columbia's campus," said Allon Brann, Columbia Political Union Publisher. "As a non-partisan organization, we work to provide students with opportunities to encounter and engage with political ideas across a wide ideological spectrum, and on a wide range of issues."
"It is with these goals in mind that we have organized this Presidential Debate: to give all candidates-- either within or outside of the political "mainstream"-- the opportunity to speak directly to students about their goals on the issues they deem critical for this country."
"We have invited all eligible candidates, and it is our sincere hope that all will participate, to ensure the substance and rigor of the dialogue which we believe is crucial at this time."
Certified letters officially inviting each candidate have been sent to the respective campaigns.
The Free and Equal Elections Coalition and the Columbia Political Union await the response from the candidates. All candidates' supporters are encouraged to contact the Presidential campaigns and urge them to attend.
The Columbia Political Union seeks to enhance involvement in the political process, domestic and international, and draw every member of the campus community into an ongoing discussion of political ideas.
FREE is a coalition of political parties, independent citizens and civic organizations formed to promote free and equal elections in the United States.
http://www.freeandequal.org/events.php?id=7
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Posted By: haynessemperfi @ 10/18/2008 1:32:26 AM
Comment: by Ralph Nader
October 10. 2008
Rolling the Dice on Derivatives - The Nader Page
The derivatives markets of today have become a high stakes casino of unimaginable magnitude. Wall Street???s bets have gone bad, and now the whole financial system is in peril. In a best-case scenario, it appears, the taxpayers will be required to rescue the system from itself. This is why Warren Buffett labeled derivatives ???weapons of financial mass destruction.???
Amazingly, there seems to be some lingering sense that current-day derivatives properly perform an insurance function.
Case in point: Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve Chairman. Greenspan says the world is facing ???the type of wrenching financial crisis that comes along only once in a century,??? but, reports the New York Times, ???his faith in derivatives remains unshaken.??? Greenspan believes that the problem is not with derivatives, but that the people using them got greedy, according to the Times.
This is quite a view. Is it a surprise to Alan Greenspan that the people on Wall Street ??? said to be ruled only by the opposing instincts of greed and fear ??? ???got greedy????
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/rolling-the-dice-on-derivatives-by-ralph-nader/
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Posted By: TruthForward @ 10/17/2008 8:04:44 PM
McCain is connected to Nazi supporters and Central American death squads.. so says
FoxNews and Washington Post (two Republican news publishers)
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/attention-ayers-renew-focus-mccains-iran-contra-connection/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/07/AR2008100700025.html
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Posted By: TruthForward @ 10/17/2008 8:01:20 PM
McCain is connected to Nazi supporters and Central American death squads.. so says
FoxNews and Washington Post (two Republican News publishers)
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/attention-ayers-renew-focus-mccains-iran-contra-connection/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/07/AR2008100700025.html
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Posted By: ADELFAPINEDA @ 10/17/2008 5:58:16 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30122043&l=0510b&id=1130236838
EL GRAN OBAMA PRESIDENTE 2008-14 El GOBIERNO DE LA DIPLOMACIA INTERNACIONAL. con (Cuba, Venezuela, Nuevo País patria Libre Independiente, y países del Medio Oriente), serán incluidos en la integración diplomática y respeto como nació. Después del debate, en donde fue definitivo, quedo claro, el perfil, visionario y las características de OBAMA PRESIDENTE 2008-14, que sacara de la crisis económica a los EE.UU y la región. OBAMA PRESIDENTE 2008-14 aplicara políticas de gobierno organizado, los mercados y la competencia, serán métodos que se enmarque en modelos económicos, dirigidos por los economistas (analistas y especialistas), y los métodos administrativos serán de expertos, de manera que el modelo conlleve una forma efectiva de llevar a la región al desarrollo económico, social, y cultural, en donde: prime el respeto y el equilibrio estado-el mercado, Que converja en beneficio de la sociedad y encamine todos los esfuerzos sincronizados de manera que se pueda erradicar la pobreza, erradicar la cultura de violencia, guerra y corrupción, 1ADELFA PINEDA TRANSPARENCIA Y ÉTICA: Por el Desarrollo del País; Dignidad Publica,:. 1 -
Posted By: OrangeCountyCA @ 10/17/2008 12:45:48 AM
Lest you labor under the mistaken belief that all black people favor Obama....
http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html
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Posted By: The Dominican @ 10/16/2008 9:10:40 PM
After the debate I will vote for McCain!!!, We need a MAN in the White House!!!!!! A MAN with pasion, and energy, that's what America needs a guy with ENERGY!!!! and PASION FOR WHAT HE THINKS IS RIGHT!!!!!
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/16/2008 8:18:56 PM
Baby I'll be there to take your hand,
Baby I'll be there to share the land
That they'll be giving away, when we all live together.
So, in the exchange with "Joe the plumber" we find out that Obama really is as radical as his early political acquaintances, and is into the failed economic policy of wealth redistribution. Yahoo, back to the 70's we go! So now we know that an Obama presidency really would be as if it were Carter's lost second term after all. -
Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/16/2008 12:40:00 PM
Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.
The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another's wealth but also the desire to see another's wealth lowered to the level of one's own. Socialism's teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini. The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: "Common good comes before private good." Fascism, said
Mussolini, is "a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests??realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies."
Socialism is the social system which institutionalizes envy and self-sacrifice: It is the social system which uses compulsion and the organized violence of the State to expropriate wealth from the producer class for its redistribution to the parasitical class.
Despite the intellectuals' psychotic hatred of capitalism, it is the only moral and just social system.
Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders--that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.
Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.
It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one's birth or station in life.
Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient. [What about the role of luckbeing in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time? R. R. Pope}
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/16/2008 12:29:16 AM
Whether McCain won or lost tonight is not relevant. He succeeded in the first half hour to plant the seeds of a Reagan style wipeout. Reputable historians and economists overwhelmingly agree that the taxation imposed by and the ???stimulus??? spending and public works programs of FDR actually deepened and prolonged the Great Depression. It was the production demands of WWII that got the economy going again. And when the war was over, the economy promptly went into recession.
Point is, Obama's programs are tax and spend, and it does not really matter who he taxes, those taxes are going to be passed through the economy. Any first year economics student knows that taxation is a tool used to contract an economy experiencing inflation, because it reduces demand by reducing the amount of money individuals and businesses have to spend. It is contractionary, which is exactly what you do not want to do when the problem is that the economy is contracting already into recession. Like FDR, Obama's plans will only make it worse for longer.
Obama's tax and spending plans alone would be bad enough, but add Wright and Pelosi to the mix, with the three of them controlling both houses of Congress and the executive without and effective restraint, and you have something that should be something that causes concern even among moderate Democrats. Don't think so? Watch and listen to a C-SPAN video clip of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCain's attempt at S.190. to fix fannie and freddie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs-
Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/16/2008 2:15:31 PM
Sorry, meant Reid, not Wright.
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Posted By: trazer222 @ 10/16/2008 12:23:45 AM
Obama wants to hav a HUGE WELFARE STATE. Anyone who works will be giving 65 cents of every dollar to Obama, who could care less about those who are successful. Obama is a wierd person who does not care about any of us who have worked. He is cool in the debate but he hates - he absolutely hates - the working American. Obama has done nothing in office - but is in bed with terrorists! Yuck - what a creepy man!
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Posted By: GregAugustaGA @ 10/15/2008 4:02:08 PM
I urge everyone to visit the site below. It is very enlightening. I know many of the tactics and strategies will sound familiar out of the Obama playbook. It is "Rules for Radicals" by noted community organizer and socialist Saul Alinsky. Did I mention he was from chicago?
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Posted By: rightlyso @ 10/15/2008 3:41:57 PM
Corporate tax contributions as a percent of the overall federal revenue stream have been declining for fifty years and now stand at 7.4% despite massive record profits. Taxes should apply first to conditions such as the clearly addictive industries (alcohol and tobacco), pollution, speculation, gambling, extreme luxuries, instead of taxing work or instead of the 5% to 7% sales tax food, furniture, clothing or books.
Tiny taxes (a fraction of the conventional retail sales percentage) on stock, bond, and derivative transactions can produce tens of billions of dollars a year and displace some of the taxes on work and consumer essentials.
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Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 10/15/2008 2:48:55 PM
We looked on in interest as Obama told even plumbers[ye gods,plumbers...] that they would have to kick in their fair share. So much for the ''soak the rich''concept. Then too,an increasing number of economists are now telling the press [yesterdays REALCLEARPOLITICS at www.realclearpolitics.com],that Obamas tax breaks to the middles are as dead as Caesar,thus the constant parroting by Obama operatives and Biden is a Potemkin village they continue to use to gull the masses. In an unsure economy,entitlement spending will be slashed to the bone. This will create an immediate conflict in an Obama presidency between the leftwingers that got him there,and the quite solid coalition between the GOP minority and moderate/conservative Democrats,especially fiscal hawks,who will still be trying to erase the 700 billion before tackling other issues. ''Who would want this job''? asked one wag,who knows well enough that the next president is going to be hammered on no end of fiscal fronts while at the same time,trying to keep enough promises made to get him to a second term.
As it now stands,Democrats can only make things worse. Where they do not understand fiscal discipline as a pattern,rather than a grotesque anomaly for the Republicans that created as self-made monster[which they are now paying for], they understand well interests that they are attached at the hip with,especially ,unions.
They can do just enough damage to add skyrocketing unemployment to a ballooning deficit,creating a true depression. It is no secret that they are hostile to free trade. Or that they desire a repeal of aspects of TAFT/HARTLEY that would end ''right to work''states[states that are in better shape economically than Rust Belt union bastions. Indeed,five of five of the ''worst cities in America''to live in are all in the Rust Belt],and force unionization-at-will upon American businesses.
The mining royalties increase,will have the effect of creating massive layoffs,much like the timber industry in the 1990s,all across the board in states that are leaning ''Obama''in this election such as Pennsylvania,New Mexico,Nevada,,and Colorado. In such a vaccum no economy can thrive. More resentment and destitution will be in the offing. How the Obama-loving press will rig this one is so far unknown. Like TASS and the ''Five Year Plan''in 1920s Russia,I am sure they will come up with something. -
Posted By: LudwigVanBeet @ 10/15/2008 12:55:10 PM
If you people want to add to the 13 Trillion dollar debt, make more War, believe in torture, like losing your 401 K, investing your Social Security,promote Hate, and Prejudice, and want to feed on the Stinking Rotting Corpse of the Republican Party ,increase the wages of the poor Putrid Ceo's then vote for McCain.
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Posted By: GregAugustaGA @ 10/15/2008 11:22:13 AM
I am sure Jessie is not the same jessie Obama knew 20 years ago Nowforthetruth.
Socialism - The colletive ownership and administration by the State of production and distribution of goods.
Marxism - Workers revolution as the means of emancipation and enlightenment.
These principles are why after the fall of the USSR their citizens were living lives attuned to America in the 1930's and 1940's. Is that where we want to go folks? Think long and hard about this before you vote Obama. These are the principles that guide him no matter the rhetoric. These are the Socialist and Marxist philosophies of Saul Alinsky who laid the map for Obama to follow. From Chicago, to law School, to the White House. -
Posted By: pugs @ 10/14/2008 10:22:19 PM
Obama's economic plan "SPREAD THE WEALTH" No wonder he wants to talk to Hugo Chavez and Castro they will give him advice on socialism for America.
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/14/2008 9:50:01 PM
"Press Releases
AJC Strongly Condemns Rev. Jesse Jackson's Comment on American Jews
October 14, 2008 - New York - The American Jewish Committee (AJC) has condemned the Rev. Jesse Jackson's statement about 'Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades.'
"Rev. Jackson's remarks, which appeared in an interview with the journalist Amir Taheri in today's New York Post, echo classic anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Jewish power," said AJC Executive Director David A. Harris. 'This statement, regrettably, is not the first troubling comment by Rev. Jackson regarding Israel, Zionism and the Jewish people.'
Arguing as a private citizen that an Obama administration could bring significant change to U.S. foreign policy, Jackson was quoted as saying that "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" would lose much of their influence should Senator Obama be elected president."
http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=849241&ct=6107743
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Posted By: Cantabrigian @ 10/14/2008 7:15:12 PM
NObama has out-spent his challengers 3:1 He is BUYING THIS ELECTION with your $$$$$!
Which tells us one thing, and only one thing about him. He is BUYING THIS ELECTION! with YOUR $$$$$.
YOU FOOLiSh people . . .
The issue is the economy and you the American voters will trust your future with a man who has no executive experience, no administrative experience and was a volunteer community leader!
ARE YOU CRAZY?
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Posted By: Jack999 @ 10/14/2008 5:06:37 PM
This is what happened when you "GUARANTEE WITHOUT THE CASH IN HAND" keep the FASLE confidence for world -wide.
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Posted By: notdogmatic @ 10/14/2008 2:33:17 PM
Candor often means political suicide. The public, not the politicians is responsible.
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/14/2008 1:26:35 PM
Bill Clinton points to liberal Congressional Democrats' protection of Fannie and Freddie from scrutiny as a primary cause of the current economic meltdown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsynspIqAoE
To prove Bill Clinton's point, this is a link to a C-SPAN video clip of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix fannie and freddie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
"Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis"
The link below describes how some of those Democrats in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN. See: Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
And here is Lou Dobbs reporting on ACORN corruption and ties to Obama, including Obama Campaign paying ACORN $800,000 for voter registration activities, and Obama representing them when he was a practicing attorney.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/10/09/ldt.tucker.acorn.under.fire.cnn -
Posted By: tmcongdon @ 10/14/2008 12:10:15 PM
If we cared about people as much as we care about money, then this truly would be a Great Nation.
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Posted By: billtill @ 10/14/2008 9:50:31 AM
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'
'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'
'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'
'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'
'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage'
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE,
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Posted By: trazer222 @ 10/13/2008 10:19:15 PM
One thing for sure - Howard Fineman will never write an indepth article on Barrack Obama that really hits hard at the issues. I have never seen such a weak article written by someone who gets paid big bucks to say absolutely nothing. Barrack Obama - if you listen to him - and what he is really saying - If you have been successful, he wants to TAKE ALL YOUR SUCCESS and give it to some body who is lazy. Shame on him!
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Posted By: trazer222 @ 10/13/2008 10:13:49 PM
The economic truth is simply: If you work, Obama will take the money from you and give it to someone else who does not. . He wants to tax small business (those with 2 or 3 employees in California) and take their money and give it to those who did not budget properly when they bought their homes (or worst yet give it to investors who got caught up in the overheat housing market.) He is not qualified to be President.
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Posted By: quasqueton @ 10/13/2008 7:27:00 PM
Gee, jimmyboy - I'm glad you think $100,000 is "chump change" since he became a senator - first term, and only worked for half - probably not that. As you know, spent most of his time running for president. You people just are "wowed" by style over substance. He's a smooth operator, I will give him that. And I will give Fineman points - whomever is elected, they won't be able, or willing, to do what needs to be done.
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Posted By: ebetikus @ 10/13/2008 1:09:30 PM
raise taxes, lower taxes- whatever. We have to examine total tax burden. State, local, county and federal. The Reagan republicans are always crowing about "local control" as an excuse to cut federal taxes but then they push the burden (code word "choices") onto the local level. We get fewer and fewer highway dollars from Washington, the feds push more mandates without funding (think special ed and nclb). Remember, "local control" doesn't necessarily translate into "fairer control". Lobbyists, special interests, and wealthy contributers can more easily sway a smaller budget and government. Show me a way you can give the same level of service for fewer TOTAL tax dollars and I will listen to you. Otherwise, you can have your federal taxx cuts. I'll take safe roads, a well armed military and an educated populace.
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Posted By: melandmike @ 10/13/2008 11:05:10 AM
HolyRoller, JoseMarti and similar posters: Do me, yourself and the GOP Party a favor: Put just half the effort that you put into bashing Obama and the Democrats into praising the real values of the Republican Party and it's ticket if you want to get McCain elected. All of this peurile and acrimonious name calling, smearing and outright antagonization is not helping our cause, makes the conservative base look childish, unintelligent, frightened and self serving. It turns off Independent voters and so basically serves the Dem's interests.
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Posted By: wooldridge @ 10/13/2008 10:26:00 AM
Ron Paul said during the campaign; we can only afford 6 aircraft carriers, not 12; we have to cut the military in half, etc....and of course he lost.
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Posted By: wendydk @ 10/13/2008 10:13:00 AM
Sarah Palin is a traitor to America and to her party.
Palins un-American activities
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/index.html
Alaskan Independence Party chairwoman Lynette Clark talks about why she does not identify herself as an American, and about her kindred spirit Sarah Palin.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/10/alaska_secession/index.html
The pastor who clashed with Palin
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index.html
Troopergate Report Concludes Palin Abused Power. Full 263 Page report here???
http://download2.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf
Palins Attack On Obamas Patriotism Legitimizes Questions About her Association With Group Founded By America-Hating Secessionist
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palins_attack_on_obamas_patrio.php
Palin And The Alaska Independence Party
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/the_alaska_independence_party.php -
Posted By: trazer222 @ 10/12/2008 11:18:57 PM
Given the last presidential debate this Tuesday night, I would like some question to be asked about: Barack Obama is the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac political contributions Given the failure of Fannie and Freddie and the nationalism of this organization, Obama is now taking public funds for his campaign. How does Obama address this in light of him acting like he is not using public funds.
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Posted By: jiml1956 @ 10/13/2008 5:45:38 PM
Do you know how Freddie and Fanny gave to Obama since he became a US Senator?
Around 100 thousand dollars.
That's chump change.
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/12/2008 10:40:49 PM
Bill Clinton points to liberal Congressional Democrats' protection of Fannie and Freddie from scrutiny as a primary cause of the current economic meltdown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsynspIqAoE
To prove Bill Clinton's point, this is a link to a C-SPAN video clip of the Congressional hearings at roughtly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix fannie and freddie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
"Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis"
The link below describes how some of those Democrats in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN. See: Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
And here is Lou Dobbs reporting on ACORN corruption and ties to Obama, including Obama Campaign paying ACORN $800,000 for voter registration activities, and Obama representing them when he was a practicing attorney.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/10/09/ldt.tucker.acorn.under.fire.cnn-
Posted By: jiml1956 @ 10/13/2008 5:52:59 PM
truth,
Want a link to the pictures of John McCain at the 2006 ACORN Convention?
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Posted By: trazer222 @ 10/12/2008 9:37:47 PM
I guess the one question I have for the candidates: We are told to maximize our 401K - which for the most part is either made of stocks, bonds, and/or cash for most of us. We are now told that when we retire (and many Americans will in the next 4 years, Obama wants to raise the TAX on the money we start to take out of our 401K plans. How will either candidate generate enough jobs to keep people in the workforce longer?
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Posted By: trazer222 @ 10/12/2008 9:34:18 PM
I found it odd that the "town hall" audience that Brokaw had looked so bored - there was one lady that seemed to react, but most of them seemed bored out of their minds. Was it that Brokaw did not know how to pick questions on different issues such as immigration, judicial court judges, favorite American characters (or least favorite), religious beliefs, etc. This would have been a true town hall instead of the major boredom.
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Posted By: Krohn @ 10/12/2008 8:23:06 PM
THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CANDIDATE!
NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY HAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BEEN GIVEN SUCH A FREE PASS BY THE PRESS AND JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE!
I AM WAITING FOR A BLACK PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TO MAKE IT ON HIS OWN MERIT.
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Posted By: Krohn @ 10/12/2008 8:11:49 PM
THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CANDIDATE!
NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY HAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BEEN GIVEN SUCH A FREE PASS BY THE PRESS AND JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE!
I AM WAITING FOR A BLACK PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TO MAKE IT ON HIS OWN MERIT.
COLIN POWELL COMES TO MIND! -
Posted By: tkjer @ 10/12/2008 8:05:27 PM
This is a red herring in the campaign. The financial crisis is an obvious disaster that needs attention but talk about taxes, cutting programs, stimulus plans are really premature. You don't plan recovery for the patient until he stabilizes and stops hemorrhaging and the causes of the disease are clearly understood. So far, George Soros appears to be the most definitive expert on this crisis and its solution. His ideas need to be studied to see how the US can work its way forward. Right now our elected leaders and candidates are not equipped and should not be wasting time trying to solve a problem that is beyond their grasp. Columnists like Fineman, Brokaw, etc. should stop whining and sniping unless they have something constructive to offer. So far they seem very ignorant.
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/12/2008 8:03:59 PM
This link of a CSPAN video clip may help set the context, as these hearings were at the time of McCains attempt at S.190.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
"Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis" -
Posted By: Krohn @ 10/12/2008 8:02:46 PM
OBAMA: THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTIONS CANDIDATE!
NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY HAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BEEN GIVEN SUCH A FREE PASS BY THE PRESS AND JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE!
I AM WAITING FOR A BLACK PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TO MAKE IT ON HIS OWN MERIT.
COLIN POWELL COMES TO MIND! -
Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/12/2008 10:57:55 AM
Even Bill Clinton points to liberal Congressional Democrats??? protection of Fannie and Freddie from scrutiny as a primary cause of the current economic meltdown.
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Posted By: marieburns @ 10/12/2008 10:15:29 AM
I think the candidates DO know what to say -- especially Obama -- but as much as "undecided" voters claim that "don't have enough information," the fact is they will only grasp platitudes. Those smart enough to understand nuance have already made up their minds on whom to elect so adding detail won't help. The candidate who tells it like it is will lose votes, especially in these last weeks while both must play to low-information voters. Howard's article is linked on RealityChex.com at http://www.realitychex.com -- a good source for the latest news & best opinion articles on the web.
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Posted By: churroostalin322 @ 10/12/2008 3:05:35 AM
Drinking Beer and Talking Politics at an 8th Grade Level...
If the average American is reading at the 8th grade level, it would not be politically expedient to go into the complexities of why the average American will eventually need to pay more taxes.
As the complexity of the issue increases, the number of Americans that understand decreases, and politicians who go on such suicidal endeavors lose a proportionate number of voters.
This is the reason Americans have been parody as people who elect Presidents that they want to have a beer with, because half the stuff politicians deal with are too complex for the average American to fully understand and for politicians to articulate.
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/12/2008 1:36:16 AM
This link of a CSPAN video may help set the context, as these hearings were at the time of McCains attempt at S.190.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
"Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis" -
Posted By: wendydk @ 10/11/2008 9:32:52 PM
Sarah Palin is a traitor to America and to her party.
Palins un-American activities
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/index.html
Alaskan Independence Party chairwoman Lynette Clark talks about why she does not identify herself as an American, and about her kindred spirit Sarah Palin.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/10/alaska_secession/index.html
The pastor who clashed with Palin
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index.html
Troopergate Report Concludes Palin Abused Power. Full 263 Page report here???
http://download2.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf
Palins Attack On Obamas Patriotism Legitimizes Questions About her Association With Group Founded By America-Hating Secessionist
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palins_attack_on_obamas_patrio.php
Palin And The Alaska Independence Party
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/the_alaska_independence_party.php -
Posted By: with a flara @ 10/11/2008 8:03:36 PM
At the beginning of the debate it was made clear that a "coin was flipped" for who would go first.
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Posted By: cani77 @ 10/11/2008 6:29:16 PM
In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide ,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch , Fanny and Freddy Mae ,AIG
The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt. Even with the goverment nationalizing hundreds of billions of dollars in debt the stock market is crashing
the credit markets are frozen and all of us may suffer beyond anything in the last 80 years.
McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.
Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He didnt realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime. Check out this link to the truth http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a crashing economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
So why are the polls even close then ?
Mccains team just said they no longer want to talk about the economy.Instead they would like to spend time talking about obama
which means running the biggest smear campaign in history.
They think they can just tell you lies and you wont be smart enough to see through it
Let's teach him we are smarter than that .
Elect Obama Biden 2008
Check out this video of sarah palins interview and ask your self if she understands what she is talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ -
Posted By: cani77 @ 10/11/2008 6:29:07 PM
In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide ,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch , Fanny and Freddy Mae ,AIG
The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt. Even with the goverment nationalizing hundreds of billions of dollars in debt the stock market is crashing
the credit markets are frozen and all of us may suffer beyond anything in the last 80 years.
McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.
Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He didnt realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime. Check out this link to the truth http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a crashing economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
So why are the polls even close then ?
Mccains team just said they no longer want to talk about the economy.Instead they would like to spend time talking about obama
which means running the biggest smear campaign in history.
They think they can just tell you lies and you wont be smart enough to see through it
Let's teach him we are smarter than that .
Elect Obama Biden 2008
Check out this video of sarah palins interview and ask your self if she understands what she is talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ -
Posted By: fastwriter @ 10/11/2008 6:23:27 PM
Excuse me, Mr. Fineman, but please tell me how the candidates, who probably don't have the FULL picture are supposed to give answers. The President who has the FULL picture can't get an answer. The press is unfair and if you-guys know so much you give an answer. Oh, you don't have the full picture either.
I don't blame them for not comenting, we people know how we got here overspending, we're not children except the rich who can't downsize. Please, if the press know so much, you come up with the answers. DO you know what the economy will look like on January 20th, so how are they supposed to know to give you an answer now and then change and then it becomes a media bliss of flip flops.
THe press and these pundits are the worse during this political season. Please you PRESS EXPERTS, give us the answer.
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