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  • Posted By: haynessemperfi @ 10/18/2008 1:56:13 AM

    PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE TO BE HELD SUNDAY AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY

    The Free and Equal Elections Coalition (FREE) and the Columbia Political Union are pleased to announce that a Presidential debate will be held this coming Sunday, October 19th, 2008, on the campus of Columbia University.

    ALL SIX of the Presidential candidates who appear on enough state ballots to acquire the 270 Electoral Votes needed to become President are invited. They are as follows (listed in alphabetical order by affiliation):

    Constitution Party Candidate: Chuck Baldwin
    Democratic Party Candidate: Barack Obama
    Green Party Candidate: Cynthia McKinney
    Independent Candidate: Ralph Nader
    Libertarian Party Candidate: Bob Barr
    Republican Party Can John McCain

    The Columbia Political Union will present the debate from 8:00pm to 10:00pm in the Altschul Auditorium, located at 417 International Affairs Building. The debate will be moderated by Pacifica Radio's Amy Goodman, the host of "Democracy Now!". CSPAN will cover the debate, and live radio broadcasts are expected.

    "The Columbia Political Union is committed to energizing political discourse on Columbia's campus," said Allon Brann, Columbia Political Union Publisher. "As a non-partisan organization, we work to provide students with opportunities to encounter and engage with political ideas across a wide ideological spectrum, and on a wide range of issues."

    "It is with these goals in mind that we have organized this Presidential Debate: to give all candidates-- either within or outside of the political "mainstream"-- the opportunity to speak directly to students about their goals on the issues they deem critical for this country."

    "We have invited all eligible candidates, and it is our sincere hope that all will participate, to ensure the substance and rigor of the dialogue which we believe is crucial at this time."

    Certified letters officially inviting each candidate have been sent to the respective campaigns.

    The Free and Equal Elections Coalition and the Columbia Political Union await the response from the candidates. All candidates' supporters are encouraged to contact the Presidential campaigns and urge them to attend.

    The Columbia Political Union seeks to enhance involvement in the political process, domestic and international, and draw every member of the campus community into an ongoing discussion of political ideas.

    FREE is a coalition of political parties, independent citizens and civic organizations formed to promote free and equal elections in the United States.

    http://www.freeandequal.org/events.php?id=7

  • Posted By: haynessemperfi @ 10/18/2008 1:55:26 AM

    PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE TO BE HELD SUNDAY AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY

    The Free and Equal Elections Coalition (FREE) and the Columbia Political Union are pleased to announce that a Presidential debate will be held this coming Sunday, October 19th, 2008, on the campus of Columbia University.

    ALL SIX of the Presidential candidates who appear on enough state ballots to acquire the 270 Electoral Votes needed to become President are invited. They are as follows (listed in alphabetical order by affiliation):

    Constitution Party Candidate: Chuck Baldwin
    Democratic Party Candidate: Barack Obama
    Green Party Candidate: Cynthia McKinney
    Independent Candidate: Ralph Nader
    Libertarian Party Candidate: Bob Barr
    Republican Party Can John McCain

    The Columbia Political Union will present the debate from 8:00pm to 10:00pm in the Altschul Auditorium, located at 417 International Affairs Building. The debate will be moderated by Pacifica Radio's Amy Goodman, the host of "Democracy Now!". CSPAN will cover the debate, and live radio broadcasts are expected.

    "The Columbia Political Union is committed to energizing political discourse on Columbia's campus," said Allon Brann, Columbia Political Union Publisher. "As a non-partisan organization, we work to provide students with opportunities to encounter and engage with political ideas across a wide ideological spectrum, and on a wide range of issues."

    "It is with these goals in mind that we have organized this Presidential Debate: to give all candidates-- either within or outside of the political "mainstream"-- the opportunity to speak directly to students about their goals on the issues they deem critical for this country."

    "We have invited all eligible candidates, and it is our sincere hope that all will participate, to ensure the substance and rigor of the dialogue which we believe is crucial at this time."

    Certified letters officially inviting each candidate have been sent to the respective campaigns.

    The Free and Equal Elections Coalition and the Columbia Political Union await the response from the candidates. All candidates' supporters are encouraged to contact the Presidential campaigns and urge them to attend.

    The Columbia Political Union seeks to enhance involvement in the political process, domestic and international, and draw every member of the campus community into an ongoing discussion of political ideas.

    FREE is a coalition of political parties, independent citizens and civic organizations formed to promote free and equal elections in the United States.

    http://www.freeandequal.org/events.php?id=7

  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/15/2008 1:10:26 PM

    What the ____? Is he running as an independent? The Green Party is running Cynthia McKinney.

    If he's running as an independent - and I'm a Green party registered voter myself - I have to say that Nader is the most self-centered, stuck-in-the-past, impractical jackoff I've ever seen.

    If he gave a ____ about the environment AND the country more than he did himself, he'd have pulled out of the race in 2000 and given the most environmentally prominent politician of our times a chance to pull us into alternative energy and environmental stewardship eight years ago.

    I hope his skin rots off. Would be a fitting occurrence for a man who could have thrown his endorsement behind Gore in 2000 and done a great deal to help save the planet, but didn't because he insists on displaying HIS right to run, over and over, no matter what else is actually going on. Nader is all about Nader. I don't think the Green Party has a shot of ever being relevant until he stops being a part of it.

    • Posted By: haynessemperfi @ 10/16/2008 10:41:08 AM

      Dear The Vigil,

      Ralph Nader ran as a independent whether then Green because the Green Party Nomination date allowed less time for petitioning. This is the reason why Ralph is on the ballot in 45 states and a write-in in 5 states.

      Instead of whinning about Nader running as a Independent candidates, it would be better to contact the Green Party and argue they host the Green Party convention sooner rather then later for petitioning purposes.

      www.votenader.org
      jovan@votenader.org

  • Posted By: Democrat-Hillary @ 10/13/2008 10:50:51 AM

    Nader is a spoiler, maybe a nice man but a spoiler. An any American that cares for third patry at this critical time in history is making a big mistake to waste their vote. You may waste it in another election, not this one. Too much things at stake that may never be recovered. Let China, Russia and the rest take over and it will be difficult to make reverse even with a time machine.
    Besides Nader is a republican in disguise, why would he want to hurt Obama and democrats, that should be closer to him than republicans? Why does he have only 4 points agenda? A true president does not limit himself to 4 points for his country....And why he only shows up at election time and nothing achieved in between about his cause. Look Al Gore, what he could not achieve with a stolen presidency , he surpassed doing good to humanity and achieving his goals in the private side...even won a Nobel Proze!. What has Nader done ever in the private sector about his so-called dreams? It is too obvious..........
    A brief show-up every 4 years to help beat democrats and silence afterwards...If he had true convictions and eager to help humanity he would have done like Gore, Clinton, Carter......He is just a spoiler!
    Don t be a spoiler yourself and carry your inaction at this important time in your conscience.....Tomorrow you will be able to say to your children or grandchildren you did your best.....

    • Posted By: haynessemperfi @ 10/16/2008 10:30:31 AM

      Dear Democrat-Hillary,

      As a Iraq war veteran, I take issue with your comment. It is antidemocratic and disrespectful to my fellow borthers and sisters in Arms fighting and dying for Democracy. It is ridicule that people like you call yourself a true American when you only want two voices to speak for an entire nation. The bodies laying in Arlington National Cemetry are American plain in simple. Show them the respect of their sacrific by believing in the Democracy they give all for.

      Freedom isn't Free.....It is a Democracy get over it and give respect where respect is due and earned.

      www.votenader.org

      Veterans for Ballot Access Reform

  • Posted By: sieg6529 @ 10/13/2008 10:16:10 AM

    Nader could certainly redeem himself if he cost McCain the election.

    • Posted By: Aquifer @ 10/13/2008 1:00:51 PM

      Actually it is the Dems and the Reps who have been spoiling this country for the last several decades. Nader is attempting to give us a chance to "unspoil" it. As for "wasting" votes, the only wasted vote is one spent on a candidate who doesn't represent your best interests. I will never waste my vote on someone like that again.

      As for the "not this time, too much is at stake" argument, sounds familiar. Dem. apologists keep pulling that one out of the hat every 2-4 years. The fact is, from a major party point of view, there will ALWAYS be the "too much at stake" and "the scary guy on the other side" arguments. Have heard it before and will hear it again, I'm sure. This old chestnut needs to be laid to rest. Or, will you please tell us when we can have "permission" to vote 3rd party, when, in your estimation, it's "safe"? Maybe next time? Funny, "next time" never seems to come around, does it?

      The fact of the matter is "too much IS at stake" to support EITHER major candidate. The fact of the matter is, it is not "safe" to vote for either "major " party candidate and hasn't been for quite some time.The fact of the matter is, too many of us have wasted way too much time already waiting for it to be "safe" for 3rd party folks. When are folks going to figure that out? How low do we have to go under these two parties before we say "enough!"? I crossed that line some years ago. Please don't drag all of us further under with another "major" candidate. If you want me, and others like me, to vote for a Dem instead of, say, Nader, stop giving us Dems like Gore in '00, Kerry in '04 and Obama in '08 - try giving us a REAL Dem and see what happens. (and no, I don't mean Hillary!) It is you, not not we, who are "spoiling" it for Dems by picking more of these corporate candidates.

      As for what to tell our children and grandchildren? We are the ones who will be able to say we did our best. You are the ones who will have to apologize for continuing to support the corporate and militaristic policies that have wreaked so much havoc both here and abroad.

      Thank heaven that a guy with Nader's platform and history of service is on the ballot, so I can vote for somebody who supports me. As for what has Nader done? For starters, do you have seat belts in your car for you and your kids and your grandkids?

      As for "Look Al Gore, what he could not achieve with a stolen presidency , he surpassed doing good to humanity and achieving his goals in the private side..." . Gee, maybe it was better for humanity that he lost?


      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/15/2008 1:16:43 PM

        BETTER for humanity that he lost? It's people with an attitude like yours that screw up the entire modern environmental movement.

        "We are the ones who will be able to say we did our best. You are the ones who will have to apologize for continuing to support the corporate and militaristic policies that have wreaked so much havoc both here and abroad."

        No, it's YOU who could have thrown your vote behind a pivotal election and helped alter the course of the world in 2000 by throwing your support behind a candidate with environmental credentials as strong as Nader's. Bush's Presidency has been an unmitigated disaster with regard to climate change and environmentalism, to the point where it will threaten the entire world within a few short decades.

        If I have to explain to my cousins' grandkids why their world is getting hotter and why so many forests are dying, thirty years from now, trust me when I say that you're going to be just as high on the sh_t list as the Republicans. Your votes are all about you. You can tell your kids and grandkids that you were partially responsible for the 2000 election going to Bush, but since you were exercising your own right to express your own self-righteous idealism, you didn't.

        You have done the environment no favors.

    • Posted By: Aquifer @ 10/13/2008 1:08:13 PM

      sorry, sieg6529, my previous post about spoiling ,etc, was supposed to go under the Dem.-Hillary post of 10:50 AM.

  • Posted By: AnonImus @ 10/14/2008 11:25:12 AM

    For everyone who needs a lesson on Ralph Nader's contribution to American society, and to see first-hand how it was the DEMOCRATS who spoiled the 2000 election for Nader, click here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVzxBOTtPfA

  • Posted By: Jack-Straw @ 10/11/2008 6:07:35 PM

    Last I remember, Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama foreclosed on our country's future by pledging away over a Trillion dollars to Wall Street Speculators. Last I remember, Bill Clinton was the guy who repealed the Glass Stiegal act, thus launching us into the oncoming Recession. Weren't the Democrats the folks who promised Farmer's they fight on their behalf, while instead they helped the banks sell off the family farm. Wasn't Bill Clinton the guy who promised a National Healthcare plan, but renounced that pledge once elected. Isn't he the guy who got hit with a sex scandal, the day after it was announced he traded nuclear launching plans to the Chinese in exchage for campaign contributions. Clinton, yeah, that guy who signed NAFTA, got us further involved in WTO, and sent American jobs overseas, calling it Free Trade, pitting the American worker against slave labor in facist countries. Bill Clinton...the guy who didn't invest in renewables for 8 years, and who didn't even pass legislation for vehicle fuel standards. Oh, and the Florida election...wasn't that where Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, and other Republicans knocked folks off the ballot, rigged the vote, then the 5 politicians on the Supreme Court illegally annointed George IV King. We've been rewinding this movie for 25 years, and casting a new face in the White House doesn't seem to change the plot. RALPH NADER ON THE OTHER HAND HAS BEEN A CHAMPION FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. He worked to establish the EPA, OSHA, Consumer Safety Laws, the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, Freedom of Information Act, and many other organizations and legislation that YOU and other Americans have benefitted from. WHEN ARE YOU PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE UP? There is hardly any difference between the two war mongering, pension stealing, gas guzzling, corporately owned corrupt major parties. It's the Republicans and Democrats who have in a bipartisan fashion dismantled our Democracy.

    • Posted By: Democrat-Hillary @ 10/13/2008 10:56:53 AM

      what has nader done for this country???????????

      • Posted By: happy12 @ 10/13/2008 3:30:12 PM

        Dim-Hillary, if you don't know what Ralph Nader has done for this country then I feel real sorry for you.

      • Posted By: happy12 @ 10/13/2008 3:24:45 PM

        What has Nader done for this country? What? Do you live on a cloud? Do you ware your seat belt? You drink safer water, breathe cleaner air, work in a safer environment, eat better meat, have the freedom of information act, OSHA, the EPA, and on and on and on, thanks to Ralph Nader. You have the mess we have now thanks to Obama/McCain et al.

      • Posted By: happy12 @ 10/13/2008 3:21:33 PM

        Next time you fasten your seat belt, drink water, breathe air, eat meat, or work in a safe environment you will have your answer. Where have you been for the last 40 years? Ignorance is not bliss dem-Hillary, it is only ignorance!

  • Posted By: strangeways @ 10/13/2008 12:17:03 PM

    In 1965 Ralph Nader asked a question that shocked America. In his book Unsafe at Any Speed he asked why thousands of Americans were being killed or injured in car accidents when the technology already existed to make our cars safer. The automobile industry resisted Nader's suggestions furiously, but public outcry forced government and industry to apply new safety standards, and to include devices like shoulder harnesses and air bags which have saved thousands from death or injury.

    Ralph Nader didn't stop there. His concept of full-time citizenship led him to form groups such as Public Citizen which have exposed corporate and governmental negligence and corruption and won important new protections for Americans as citizens and consumers.

    More than 30 years after he began his crusade for automobile safety, Ralph Nader continues his efforts to make government and business accountable to the people, and to make all Americans aware of their rights and of their own power to defend them.

    Just some of the organizations Ralph Nader founded or helped start:
    www.votenader.org
    American Antitrust Institute
    Appleseed Foundation
    Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest
    Aviation Consumer Action Project
    Buyers Up
    Capitol Hill News Service
    Center for Auto Safety
    Center for Insurance Research
    Center for Justice and Democracy
    Center for Science in the Public Interest
    Center for Study of Responsive Law
    Center for Women Policy Studies
    Citizen Action Group
    Citizen Advocacy Center
    Citizen Utility Boards
    Citizen Works
    Clean Water Action Project
    Congress Project
    Congress Watch
    Connecticut Citizen Action Group
    Corporate Accountability Research Group
    Critical Mass Energy Project
    Democracy Rising
    Disability Rights Center
    Equal Justice Foundation
    Essential Information
    FANS (Fight to Advance the Nation's Sports)
    Foundation for Taxpayers and Consumer Rights
    Freedom of Information Clearinghouse
    Georgia Legal Watch
    Global Trade Watch
    Health Research Group
    Litigation Group
    Multinational Monitor
    National Citizen's Coalition for Nursing Home Reform
    National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
    National Insurance Consumer Organization
    Ohio Public Interest Action Group
    Organization for Competitive Markets
    Pension Rights Center
    Princeton Project 55
    PROD - truck safety
    Public Citizen
    Retired Professionals Action Group
    Shafeek Nader Trust for the Community Interest
    Student Public Interest Research Groups nationwide
    Tax Reform Research Group
    Telecommunications Research and Action Center
    The Visitor's Center
    Trial Lawyers for Public Justice

  • Posted By: ingelahakansson @ 10/11/2008 1:18:36 PM

    Ralph Nader doesn't take votes from anybody, any more than other candidates take votes from him.

    Ralph Nader EARNS his votes, by stating what he believes.

    It is offensive that Kerry and Gore tried to win votes rather than by earning their votes, but by SILENCING Nader.

    In a democracy, points of view need to be heard. The Democrats and Republicans are responsible for the current mess we are in.

    Therefore the public should be looking for alternatives from the politics and policies that got us into this mess. America is best served by abandoning the b.s. argument that we must vote for the lesser of two evils.

    We are encouraged to settle. America deserves the best. America deserves candidates that are not beholden to special interests and don't have preserving the status quo as a top priority in mind.
    That is why I am voting for Ralph Nader.

    • Posted By: Democrat-Hillary @ 10/13/2008 11:02:58 AM

      JUST TELL ME, WHAT HAS HE DONE FOR THIS COUNTRY?
      MENTION ONE THING, JUST ONE!!!!

  • Posted By: dustytrails @ 10/11/2008 2:13:55 PM

    ONLY 5 COMMENTS ON NADER THAT SHOULD TELL YOU ALOT

    • Posted By: rmhenige @ 10/11/2008 4:53:58 PM

      you mean like his supporters have realized that the mainstream media is owned by corporate interests and their biased? if that's what you mean, then yes, it does tell you a lot. you might want to take a look at votenader.org and see how much money ralph's raised in the last few days.

      • Posted By: Democrat-Hillary @ 10/13/2008 11:00:29 AM

        Nader is a spoiler, maybe a nice man but a spoiler. An any American that cares for third patry at this critical time in history is making a big mistake to waste their vote. You may waste it in another election, not this one. Too much things at stake that may never be recovered. Let China, Russia and the rest take over and it will be difficult to make reverse even with a time machine.
        Besides Nader is a republican in disguise, why would he want to hurt Obama and democrats, that should be closer to him than republicans? Why does he have only 4 points agenda? A true president does not limit himself to 4 points for his country....And why he only shows up at election time and nothing achieved in between about his cause. Look Al Gore, what he could not achieve with a stolen presidency , he surpassed doing good to humanity and achieving his goals in the private side...even won a Nobel Proze!. What has Nader done ever in the private sector about his so-called dreams? It is too obvious..........
        A brief show-up every 4 years to help beat democrats and silence afterwards...If he had true convictions and eager to help humanity he would have done like Gore, Clinton, Carter......He is just a spoiler!
        Don t be a spoiler yourself and carry your inaction at this important time in your conscience.....Tomorrow you will be able to say to your children or grandchildren you did your best.....

      • Posted By: Democrat-Hillary @ 10/13/2008 11:00:01 AM

        What has Nader done for the country, other to show up every 4 years to spoil elections for Democrats?
        A republican in disguise, what else?

    • Posted By: catchingon? @ 10/12/2008 2:12:12 AM

      The fact that several polls over the past couple of weeks have shown Nader at 6% and 8%-10% in some swing states, despite a near-total mainstream media blackout tells you a lot. As a Nader supporter, I understand--contrary to the popular derision--that genuine differences exist between the major political parties. Those differences pale, however, alongside the unprecedented influence that the giant conglomerates wield today in Congress and regulatory agencies.

      If the bipartisan Wall Street bailout doesn't convince Democrats that their party has become every bit as corporate-owned as the Republican Party, I don't know what will.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/12/2008 10:49:49 PM

    Bill Clinton points to liberal Congressional Democrats' protection of Fannie and Freddie from scrutiny as a primary cause of the current economic meltdown.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsynspIqAoE

    To prove Bill Clinton's point, this is a link to a C-SPAN video clip of the Congressional hearings at roughtly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix fannie and freddie.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    "Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis"

    The link below describes how some of those Democrats in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN. See: Wall Street Journal

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    And here is Lou Dobbs reporting on ACORN corruption and ties to Obama, including Obama Campaign paying ACORN $800,000 for voter registration activities, and Obama representing them when he was a practicing attorney.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/10/09/ldt.tucker.acorn.under.fire.cnn

    • Posted By: Democrat-Hillary @ 10/13/2008 10:55:49 AM

      McCAIN:
      Rolling Stone Magazine: Make believe Maverick, A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty.
      By TIM DICKINSON
      http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain?commentPage=8#rate

      PALIN:
      The Palins un-American activities
      http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/

      Sarah Palin, the AIP, and the Extremist Fringe
      By MICHAEL STICKINGS, Assistant Editor http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/sarah-palin/23395/sarah-palin-the-aip-and-the-extremist-fringe/
      BOTH:
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-lux/guilt-by-associations_b_133758.html

  • Posted By: Sankhara @ 10/12/2008 11:31:22 PM

    The Democrats' attempts to take monopoly over people's minds to keep the current status quo is pathetic. They cannot claim to be the party for the people. They enabled almost every thing they complain about.
    The Democrats are responsible primarily for the mortgage crisis, since they were the ones promoting unust laws to banks to take bad loans, while taking millions from Fannie Mae, and blocking legislation to ensure correct accounting.
    Also, they are not anti war at all, instead try to convince people to do "smart wars" now. People who want peace, who refuse to dumb down and believe Obama or McCain's lies that we're fighting for freedom and should increase the military, are lucky to have Nader as an option. McKinney is a worth option as well, but she has nowhere the popular support and organization that Nader and Gonzalez have.
    In a real election, they beat McCain on conservative, small government values, and beat Obama on liberal, Democratic ones. Too bad the democrat and republican co-owned corporation, the commission on presidential debates, stops third parties who are on enough ballots to win from participating in the debate process. Only by dumbing down the options can these two pass as anything close to options. There are better options for president in anyone's circle than these two. They are both corrupt trying to stop change by spinning the status quo differently.

    • Posted By: Democrat-Hillary @ 10/13/2008 10:53:13 AM

      Nader is a spoiler, maybe a nice man but a spoiler. An any American that cares for third patry at this critical time in history is making a big mistake to waste their vote. You may waste it in another election, not this one. Too much things at stake that may never be recovered. Let China, Russia and the rest take over and it will be difficult to make reverse even with a time machine.
      Besides Nader is a republican in disguise, why would he want to hurt Obama and democrats, that should be closer to him than republicans? Why does he have only 4 points agenda? A true president does not limit himself to 4 points for his country....And why he only shows up at election time and nothing achieved in between about his cause. Look Al Gore, what he could not achieve with a stolen presidency , he surpassed doing good to humanity and achieving his goals in the private side...even won a Nobel Proze!. What has Nader done ever in the private sector about his so-called dreams? It is too obvious..........
      A brief show-up every 4 years to help beat democrats and silence afterwards...If he had true convictions and eager to help humanity he would have done like Gore, Clinton, Carter......He is just a spoiler!
      Don t be a spoiler yourself and carry your inaction at this important time in your conscience.....Tomorrow you will be able to say to your children or grandchildren you did your best.....

  • Posted By: pnclement @ 10/13/2008 1:24:55 AM

    Nader in Florida: Remember Me?

    by Writer Richard Wolffe

    Writer Richard Wolffe, because he is not a reporter otherwise he would be reporting the huge backlash of anger the public has to the Bush, McCain, Obama billionaire's bailout! What change from all the "politics as usual" is that?

    None!

    Nader draws open minded people who are fed up with the one party system, period! The only reason why he is not doing better in the poll numbers is the same reason why the Democrats, as well as the Republicans, are not challenging him. Tthey switched to keeping him and his ideas out of the public's mind by getting the media and CPD to not cover him, effectively killing his chances.

    But both still may have shot themselves in the foot. The economy and bailout are working against them and that is helping Nader, not conservatives protesting McCain or any such nonsense! It's the economy & the Wall Street Bailout, stupid!

    pnclement
    Greenfield, WI

  • Posted By: pnclement @ 10/13/2008 1:22:38 AM

    Nader in Florida: Remember Me?

    by Writer Richard Wolffe

    Writer Richard Wolffe, because he is not a reporter otherwise he would be reporting the huge backlash of anger of the public to the Bush, McCain, Obama billionaire's bailout! What change from all the "politics as usual" is that?

    None!

    Nader draws open minded people who are fed up with the one party system, period! The only reason why he is not doing better in the poll numbers is the same reason why the Democrats, as well as the Republicans, are not challenging him, namely they went to keeping him and his ideas out of the public's mind by getting the media and CPD to not cover him, effectively killing his chances.

    But both may have shot themselves in the foot. The economy and bailout are working against them and that is helping Nader, not conservatives protesting McCain or any such nonsense! It's the economy & the Wall Street Bailout, stupid!

    Patrick Clement
    Greenfield, WI

  • Posted By: RobertaHMc @ 10/13/2008 1:14:49 AM

    It is ridiculous to blame Nader for Gore losing Florida. This is a fundamental failure to face facts: the Supreme Court is bought and paid for. In addition to which, Gore, Kerry, and Obama don't put trenchant issues on the table. Whom will they blame for that? (And who is resposible? hint: corporations and the parties who kiss their feet.)

    Then, to jump to 2004, where is Democrats' outrage? Remember Kerry promising over and over to "Make sure every vote is counted"? And what did he do? The very morning after the election, an election in which a swing state was stolen, as promised months ahead by the CEO of Diebold (voting machine mfr), Kerry raised none of that, fought for no one's vote (that's yours, if you voted for him). He simply gathered all of those votes up, placed them on a nice silver platter, and handed them, most gentleman-like, over to W.

    When are Democrats going to face the facts about the game their party is playing? Democrats, where is your outrage? This might be a good time to find it; Nader actually has a plan for the economy, and it's not one that he got from the criminals who have stolen your stocks. Best of luck in waking up.

  • Posted By: kelswort @ 10/11/2008 7:37:26 PM

    Democrats had good reason to blame Nader in 2000? Name one.
    Democrats had legitimate argument to contest the electoral college and voting irregularities rampant in 2000 and 2004. Did they? No. Democrats no longer fight for themselves or constituents. They don't have to because the image of Democrats as progressives still exists in the electorate- so much so that no one even regards the voting records of the candidates. Mr. Wolfe, you also slyly skirt over the fact that Democrats spent over $1 million in 2004 in campaign funds to contest Nader's ballots - basically just a costly bullying stunt to drain his campaign of funds, time and energy in the crucial period before the election. You make no connection between these costly lawsuits and the decline in Nader's votes in 2000 and 2004. You simply rationalize that if Nader was a threat, Democrats would have acted again in a way that threatens the very tenets of a free electoral process, as if they acted legitimately in 2004.
    "It's probably more of a protest than anything else." Why would you even bother putting such an anemic quote in an article, much less dignifying it with quotation marks and the credentials of the speaker.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/11/2008 2:13:38 PM

    On October 10, the Alaska Legislative Council found Sarah Palin guilty of abusing power. Immediately Ms. Palin said "if you read the report you'll see that there was nothing unlawful or unethical about replacing a cabinet member." This quote by Palin is only 50% true. The Legislative Council report says that it was LEGAL for her to fire Commissioner Monegan, since as Governor she has the right to hire and fire her staff at will. The report also says that her firing of Commissioner Monegan was an UNETHICAL abuse of power.

    Palin tells you half of the truth, and lies outright about the other half. You know the old saying: If you tell a lie, make sure it contains some truth so it will be believable.

    From the report:

    Palin tried to force the Commissioner to prosecute Trooper Wooten (her former brother in law) for illegally shooting a moose. The Commissioner explained to Palin that if they charged Wooten they would also have to bring charges against Palin's sister, who was present on the hunt, had the moose permit and illegally let her husband use it. They would also have to prosecute Palin's father, who cut up the moose and stored it in his freezer, sharing the meat with the Palin family. In other words, the Palins were OK with Wooten illegally shooting the moose when it happened. They participated in the hunt and kept the meat. But a year later when Wooten was divorcing Palin's sister, suddenly the Palins turned him in for illegally killing the moose.

    The Palins turned Wooten in to the State Troopers disciplinary commission about a year and a half before she became Governor. The Troopers investigated Wooten, finding that some of Palin's allegations were true and some were false. The Troopers disciplined Wooten with a few days suspension. When Palin tried to get Monegan (the new Commissioner) to re-open the case once she was Governor, Monegan told her he couldn't do it. All the allegations had already been investigated and Palin had no new evidence. Trooper Wooten belongs to a union, and he can not be fired just because the Governor doesn't like him.

    So, the Palins hired a private investigator to trail Wooten night and day, trying to catch him doing something wrong. The investigator takes photos of Wooten dropping his kids off at school, using his patrol car. The Plains file a complaint, saying it is illegal for him to ferry his kids in a patrol car. They try and get him fired for this, except it turns out that since Wooten was working a swing shift, his Commander had given him a waiver to bring his kids to school in the car. Wooten and Palin's sister have been divorced for 3 years, yet the Palins continue to persecute Wooten. Palin just can't forgive and get past this family drama.


    I urge you to read the report yourself:

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Interactives/Politics/Election2008/branchflower_report_to_the_legislative_council.pdf

    • Posted By: dustytrails @ 10/11/2008 2:25:42 PM

      Good comment beats talking about Nadar

    • Posted By: Nins @ 10/11/2008 2:24:32 PM

      The end of the web address for the report got cut off. Here it is in full:

      http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Interactives/Politics/Election2008/branchflower_report_to_the_legislative_council.pdf

  • Posted By: quasqueton @ 10/11/2008 1:39:40 PM

    Agreed. Kerry, Gore, Obman, are all frauds. My girlfriend in Des Moines,Iowa, was a precinct captain for John Edwards. Of course, she is very dissapointed by his actions, she knows Obama stole Iowa, and his ACORN is going to steal more!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 10/11/2008 2:19:58 PM

      Quasqueton, you use the perplexing phrase that Acorn "stole Iowa." Perhaps you didn't know that Iowa voted by caucus in the primary, so Obama's landslide win there had nothing to do with voter registration drives. Iowa caucus votes are done by a show of hands. Election officials are present to verify the tallies.

      And if you mean that Acorn "stole" Iowa in the general election, maybe you should recognize that the general election has not even happened yet. If indeed Obama wins Iowa I would imagine that has a lot to do with the fact that he won the primary there by a landslide, his general popularity, and the fact that he is a better candidate than McCain. Obama is leading in all the polls, all across America, which again has nothing at all to do with Acorn or voter registration. Duh.

  • Posted By: ingelahakansson @ 10/11/2008 1:17:54 PM

    Ralph Nader doesn't take votes from anybody, any more than other candidates take votes from him.

    Ralph Nader EARNS his votes, by stating what he believes.

    It is offensive that Kerry and Gore tried to win votes rather than by earning their votes, but by SILENCING Nader.

    In a democracy, points of view need to be heard. The Democrats and Republicans are responsible for the current mess we are in.

    Therefore the public should be looking for alternatives from the politics and policies that got us into this mess. America is best served by abandoning the b.s. argument that we must vote for the lesser of two evils.

    We are encouraged to settle. America deserves the best. America deserves candidates that are not beholden to special interests and don't have preserving the status quo as a top priority in mind.
    That is why I am voting for Ralph Nader.

  • Posted By: rmhenige @ 10/11/2008 12:38:32 PM

    There is not truth in your statement that the Democrats had reason to blame Ralph in 2000. Additionally, your use of "populist rhetoric" is ridiculously biased. As a Ralph Nader supporter, this is the type of coverage I'm used to, but you know what they say, there's no such thing as bad press, except in this country.

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