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Not Much Dubya in Stone’s ‘W.’

Little in this movie to love and almost no reason to care

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  • Posted By: jim001 @ 10/17/2008 5:19:42 PM

    Is Stone going to do a biography of Obama?

    I mean portraying his associations with:
    Bill Ayres, Reverend Wright, Father Fegler,
    Tony Rezco, ACORN, and the rest of the subjects
    that prove I am a racist for even mentioning.

    I recognize that I'm dealing in utter fantasy but I
    predict that if he were to do it after January 2009,
    he would end up in a government-run rehabilitation
    prison to correct his thinking.

    I'm being overly dramatic? Check out The Fairness Doctrine.

    Jim Mukubansky

  • Posted By: jim001 @ 10/17/2008 5:18:55 PM

    Is Stone going to do a biography of Obama?

    I mean portraying his associations with:
    Bill Ayres, Reverend Wright, Father Fegler,
    Tony Rezco, ACORN, and the rest of the subjects
    that prove I am a racist for even mentioning.

    I recognize that I'm dealing in utter fantasy but I
    predict that if he were to do it after January 2009,
    he would end up in a government-run rehabilitation
    prison to correct his thinking.

    I'm being overly dramatic? Check out The Fairness Doctrine.

    Jim Mukubansky

  • Posted By: jim001 @ 10/17/2008 5:17:13 PM


    Is Stone going to do a biography of Obama?

    I mean portraying his associations with:
    Bill Ayres, Reverend Wright, Father Fegler,
    Tony Rezco, ACORN, and the rest of the subjects
    that prove I am a racist for even mentioning.

    I recognize that I'm dealing in utter fantasy but I
    predict that if he were to do it after January 2009,
    he would end up in a government-run rehabilitation
    prison to correct his thinking.

    I'm being too dramatic? Check out The Fairness Doctrine.

    Jim Mukubansky

  • Posted By: Celtia @ 10/14/2008 8:04:17 AM

    I can't believe Oliver Stone has the first flattering thing to say about Bush. I think old Conspiracy Ollie has lost his edge. It's a shame, because now he won't be interesting at all, and neither will his movies.

    • Posted By: Dudeman @ 10/17/2008 3:02:32 PM

      Are you saying that Bush has no positive characteristics? I haven't found a person yet without any. I am sure even you have some.

  • Posted By: Dudeman @ 10/17/2008 2:58:02 PM

    Why whatever could you possibly mean " "W." might have had some impact had it been made four years ago. But it's both too late and too early for a movie about our sitting president." I am sure that when you say it "might have had some impact had it been made four years ago" you can't be talking about trying to influence the election? The media would never attempt to do that, because journalists do not inject their opinions into their articles and movie maker's would never try to influence an election. It is a coincidence that Fahrenheit 911 came out just prior to the past election. Media bias can't exist. It would be downright un-American. I am sure that isn't what you meant.

  • Posted By: Dudeman @ 10/17/2008 2:57:15 PM

    Why whatever could you possibly mean " "W." might have had some impact had it been made four years ago. But it's both too late and too early for a movie about our sitting president." I am sure that when you say it "might have had some impact had it been made four years ago" you can't be talking about trying to influence the election? The media would never attempt to do that, because journalists do not inject their opinions into their articles and movie maker's would never try to influence an election. It is a coincidence that Fahrenheit 911 came out just prior to the past election. Media bias can't exist. It would be downright un-American. I am sure that isn't what you meant.

  • Posted By: SAM123456 @ 10/17/2008 2:44:44 PM

    I know who Pres. Bush is, but who is David Ansen?

  • Posted By: SAM123456 @ 10/17/2008 2:41:28 PM

    I know who President Bush is, but who is David Ansen?

  • Posted By: combatentropy @ 10/11/2008 3:24:34 PM

    "what addicts and born-agains share is a terror of ambiguity, an absolute need for a belief system that removes all doubt"

    On what do you base this? It is not true of me (a born-again Christian). Otherwise, a good movie review

    Other

    • Posted By: Gary L @ 10/16/2008 12:43:19 AM

      Nor is it true of me or most of the people I meet in the recovery community that is such an important part of my sobriety. True, when I was still active in my multiple addictions, I perceived the recovering addict and alcoholic as petrified of ambiguity. Only when I got sober did I realize that this was but one of a host of self serving delusions. Mr. Ansen's misconceptions regarding the mindset of the sober alcoholic/addict do not lend credibility to his opinion regarding the topic at hand.

    • Posted By: djcastel @ 10/13/2008 3:52:27 PM

      I agree - that was a surprisingly simplistic description of born-again Christians, especially from an author complaining about lack of depth. If I may offer another oversimplification as a retort: it's common to disparage what you don't understand. This is why secular-leaning types come up with pseudo-psychological needs that "explain" religious convictions. Meanwhile those who are religiously observant scratch their heads, not recognizing these motives in their own lives or those they know.

  • Posted By: steve02001 @ 10/15/2008 7:58:50 PM

    I saw the preview of this movie last night, and I have to disagree with this review. The reviewer claims this movie is not "newsworthy" and is irrelevant to the current political situation of the Nation. This is way off the mark. For me, W's strongest parts are when it focuses on the buildup to the war in Iraq. It is fascinating and tragic to see how a small group of people managed to convince themselves, and the Nation, that this was a war worth fighting. I agree with the reviewer, that Powell "comes off the best, fighting his losing battle against the rush to war." But therein lies the real tragic part of this movie, and the war; Powell knew this war was wrong, he argued against it, but at the end he capitulated and decided to "go along with W" and gave his infamous UN speech, that even had me convinced when I saw it in 2003. And then Tony Blair, England's PM, is also shown having reservations about the war, wanting to give the UN inpectors more time because they were not finding any WMDs; be he also capitulates. No "profiles in courage" there. If any of those two gentlemen had have said no to W, things could have come out differently.

    True the coverage of the Economy has overshadowed the war, but nevertheless it's a war that is still being waged and still matters; Americans and Iraquis are still dying because if it. And we have two candidates for the presidency who have different takes on how to bring this war to a resolution. Although it has almost become a cliche, George Santayana's famous quote is still valid, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." W tells us a story that is still relevant to our times and is a cautionary tale against waging pre-emptive wars (yes Gov. Palin, the Bush doctrine).

  • Posted By: Alone22 @ 10/15/2008 10:09:12 AM

    Wow Ansen, to borrow from common British vernacular: you're a bit of a C U Next Tuesday. "Neocons" is an acceptable term for use in a so-called politcally neutral magazine like Newsweek? And Stone "grants sincerity to their delusions"? That's rather presumptiously biased and accusatory. What the heck do you know about the conversations that took place before going to war?

    • Posted By: Alone22 @ 10/15/2008 10:13:43 AM

      Edit: I missed another point to support my name-calling: "addicts and Christians share a terror of ambiguity"? Based on what? Your certainty that faith is fallacy? That seems hypocritical to me, but then again you are a member of the media. I really appreciate you comparing me and my faith to a someone with a cocaine addiction, that's very respectful.

  • Posted By: Alone22 @ 10/15/2008 10:06:20 AM

    Wow Ansen, to borrow from common British vernacular: you're a bit of a C U Next Tuesday. "Neocons" is an acceptable term for use in a supposedly politcally neutral magazine like Newsweek? And Stone "grants them the sincerity of their delusions"? that's a bit presumptiously biased and accusatory. What the heck do you know about what conversations were had before going to war?

  • Posted By: cuti26 @ 10/15/2008 9:16:40 AM

    Now for the truth, what does this statement have to do with Obama and his presidency, other than the fact that Rev. Jesse Jackson and Obama are both African American? Jackson has no say, or influence over Obama's campaign.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/15/2008 12:23:13 AM

    "Press Releases

    AJC Strongly Condemns Rev. Jesse Jackson's Comment on American Jews
    October 14, 2008 - New York - The American Jewish Committee (AJC) has condemned the Rev. Jesse Jackson's statement about 'Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades.'
    "Rev. Jackson's remarks, which appeared in an interview with the journalist Amir Taheri in today's New York Post, echo classic anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Jewish power," said AJC Executive Director David A. Harris. 'This statement, regrettably, is not the first troubling comment by Rev. Jackson regarding Israel, Zionism and the Jewish people.'

    Arguing as a private citizen that an Obama administration could bring significant change to U.S. foreign policy, Jackson was quoted as saying that "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" would lose much of their influence should Senator Obama be elected president."


    http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=849241&ct=6107743

    And people are upset about raciest comments some in the crowd are allegedly saying at Palin events? Isn't this the same Democrat leader who once called New York "Hymietown"?

  • Posted By: ladyjane @ 10/14/2008 1:35:10 PM

    I didn't become a Christian out of a psychologically and intellectually shallow "terror of ambiguity", but because there is a loving God who cared enough to die for me. An alcoholic who can respond to that love isn't doing it out of a need to prop up a pathetic "need for a system that removes all doubt". They do it, like any person should, out of basic humility of heart and a capacity for grateful love. That's a sign of strength, not weakness.

  • Posted By: asb2917 @ 10/14/2008 8:24:09 AM

    Oh the irony! All Christians have doubts from time to time, even Mother Teresa! It is up to each person to reconcile their beliefs and accept that they won't always have all the answers. That doesn't mean they stop believing in God's love .
    What amazes me is the certainty with which the author stereotypes Christians and compares us to mindless addicts. Maybe Mr Ansen could open his mind and accept an open invitation to come worship with me anytime.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/12/2008 1:54:13 AM

    This link of a CSPAN video may help set the context, as these hearings were at the time of McCains attempt at S.190.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    "Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis"

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