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How India’s New Nuke Deal Might Set Off an Arms Race

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  • Posted By: richardseventeen @ 10/11/2008 8:36:10 PM

    I think this is not just a mere civilian nuclear power deal, but a substantial foreign policy victory that strengthens US-India ties and really improves the US position in the volatile South Asian region. It is a pity that it took so long for the world's two largest democracies to join hands together. Had their relationship been cemented a couple of decades back, we might never have had 9-11 or the war in Iraq or militancy in Kashmir and Afghanistan

    • Posted By: Impartial ordinary human @ 10/18/2008 4:04:29 PM

      Your analysis is very whishful!!!!!

  • Posted By: vavinash @ 10/14/2008 5:53:23 PM

    Israel has a better proliferation record??? Maybe the joker who wrote the article should read up a little on how french transferred nuke technology to israel who inturn provided it to south african white supremacist regime. The entire article is a joke..

    • Posted By: Impartial ordinary human @ 10/18/2008 4:01:58 PM

      The French provided nuclear technology to Israel who in turn provided it to South Africa. May I add, it was with the full knowledge of USA. A Q Khan as a poliferator no doubt is true, but he is just one person, no one mentions dozens of European players who were part of the network.

  • Posted By: settlers @ 10/17/2008 1:56:56 PM

    An arms race is already going on....India may well set an example of using the power for peacefull purposes.

    www.dreamzfulfilled.com

  • Posted By: fluffy II @ 10/12/2008 8:37:01 AM

    The world fails to remember that India began the proliferation of nuclear weapons in 1974 by detonating a nuclear device. It overtly threatened Pakistan in 1998 with a series of 5-6 nuclear detonations. It said now we..can "straighten out" the Kashmir dispute to our liking...
    Pakistan had no choice but to pursue a nuclear path just to insure its very survival.
    Put yourself in Pakistan's shoes. Can you blame Pakistan?
    Well I can't.

    • Posted By: NPegasus @ 10/12/2008 4:50:16 PM

      After reading you comments, I sense that you clearly do not know much about the history and the geo-politics in South Asia.

      India had never threatened any country with its nuclear weapons. India has a no-first use doctrine which does not allow it to initiate a nuclear attack unless it???s instigated by some other country.
      Contrary to your belief, India's nuclear tests in 1998 were in response to the tests conducted by China. It had nothing to do with Pakistan.
      It is Pakistan army which continues to harp about some imaginary existential threat for the longevity of its illegal rule. It is Pakistan which continues to live in the past and hopes to settle Kashmir by redrawing the borders with blood.

      Finally, India and Pakistan are different countries and they must be judged on their merits. The US for the first time has shown some pragmatism by signing the US-India nuclear deal.

      • Posted By: fluffy II @ 10/12/2008 6:49:10 PM

        you are mistaken when you say that I have no knowledge of South Asian events: In the days following India's 1998 nuclear explosions, Mr. Advani, then an official in BJP-led government, made some statements along with another gov't official that now Pakistan had to bend to the will of India over the Kashmir issue because now India was a full and open nuclear power.
        Look it up!

        • Posted By: NPegasus @ 10/14/2008 6:34:22 PM

          To fluffy II:

          There is a difference between a politician making a statement (especially when elections are around the corner) and a politician actually acting upon it. If you say you live in the US, I am sure you are well aware of this fact.

          Unlike its neighbors, India has never used nuclear weapons as a leverage to address disputes, including that in Kashmir. India has a no-first-use doctrine when it comes to nuclear weapons. It also has an impeccable record in non-proliferation of nukes.

          Unlike that in the cold-war era, US can be an ally of India and Pakistan, however both countries must be judged on their merits; de-hyphenated from each other.

  • Posted By: Seaker @ 10/13/2008 6:52:09 AM

    India is NOT against non proliferation, as every joker is keen to quote against its completely clean track record.
    However, it is against the hypocrisy of the "nuclear powers", who simply refuse to completely disarm whilst insisting nobody else catches up. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Either everybody disarms and people enforce that (I wish!). Or you accept that no nation will want to be left without a deterrent if they can afford one.
    The knock on effect of recognising India's weapons is down to the indefensible stance of the self-righteous NPT crowd, and not to the US granting India "okay nuclear state" status.

  • Posted By: fluffy II @ 10/12/2008 7:08:17 PM

    India and Pakistan seem to currently be in the process of creating a better understanding between them.
    Perhaps it is somewhat futile to dwell upon past history. I am an American who has several dear friends from both India and Pakistan and do support this current detente whch is evolving between the 2 countries.
    I wish that they may succeed in jointly protecting South Asia especially from the scourge of terrorism and that they may reach an understanding to live with one another in harmony and friendship. I think it can be done.

  • Posted By: khansha @ 10/12/2008 2:17:49 AM

    To Mr Hakim,
    You fail to realize that Pakistan's regimes allowed dangerous nuclear weapons to get into unstable hands around the world. Pakistan is a bigger danger than India has ever been or will be to the world. Yes I am an Indian and I hope you have the courage to read through the rest of my statement below.

    And about my english, even if I spoke useless english. I would still be able to communicate that the terrorism spread (shamelessly in the name of your religious brotherhood) that Pakistan has exported should scare you a lot more than whatever potential you see in India's gaining this nuclear energy material.

    Pakistan's support for Islamic terrorism have sullied the name of your religion that you so fiercely (and correctly) want to preserve. You have to first realize that some of your so-called brothers are damaging your religion. Also I cannot figure out when people like you will stand up and fight these "so-called protectors" (aka terrorists) of your faith. I feel your fear is severely misplaced.

    And dont forget India's muslims (also part of your brotherhood, second largest population in the world) are among most progressive in the world.

    • Posted By: Hakim M.Dermish @ 10/12/2008 6:48:47 PM

      To khansha,
      what makes you think I'm a Muslim? to their credit Muslims don't have more than 160 million people tainted by their birth into a caste system that deems them impure,
      less than human ...

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/12/2008 5:17:38 PM

    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide ,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch , Fanny and Freddy Mae ,AIG
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt. Even with the goverment nationalizing hundreds of billions of dollars in debt the stock market is crashing
    the credit markets are frozen and all of us may suffer beyond anything in the last 80 years.
    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.
    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He didnt realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime. Check out this link to the truth http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a crashing economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why are the polls even close then ?
    Mccains team just said they no longer want to talk about the economy.Instead they would like to spend time talking about obama
    which means running the biggest smear campaign in history.
    They think they can just tell you lies and you wont be smart enough to see through it
    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .
    Elect Obama Biden 2008


    Check out this video of sarah palins interview and ask your self if she understands what she is talking about.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/12/2008 5:17:29 PM

    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide ,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch , Fanny and Freddy Mae ,AIG
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt. Even with the goverment nationalizing hundreds of billions of dollars in debt the stock market is crashing
    the credit markets are frozen and all of us may suffer beyond anything in the last 80 years.
    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.
    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He didnt realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime. Check out this link to the truth http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a crashing economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why are the polls even close then ?
    Mccains team just said they no longer want to talk about the economy.Instead they would like to spend time talking about obama
    which means running the biggest smear campaign in history.
    They think they can just tell you lies and you wont be smart enough to see through it
    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .
    Elect Obama Biden 2008


    Check out this video of sarah palins interview and ask your self if she understands what she is talking about.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/12/2008 5:17:21 PM

    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide ,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch , Fanny and Freddy Mae ,AIG
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt. Even with the goverment nationalizing hundreds of billions of dollars in debt the stock market is crashing
    the credit markets are frozen and all of us may suffer beyond anything in the last 80 years.
    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.
    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He didnt realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime. Check out this link to the truth http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a crashing economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why are the polls even close then ?
    Mccains team just said they no longer want to talk about the economy.Instead they would like to spend time talking about obama
    which means running the biggest smear campaign in history.
    They think they can just tell you lies and you wont be smart enough to see through it
    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .
    Elect Obama Biden 2008


    Check out this video of sarah palins interview and ask your self if she understands what she is talking about.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

  • Posted By: fluffy II @ 10/12/2008 8:47:35 AM

    I think the United States, my country, is irresponsible for offering India this nuclear deal.

    It should not have been offered to either India or Pakistan and now a Pandora's Box has been opened.

    • Posted By: NPegasus @ 10/12/2008 5:01:37 PM

      To fluffy II:

      I wonder what makes you think that the US was irresponsible. Was the US irresponsible to protect a soviet war ally, Pakistan, which illegally acquired the nuclear weapons capability in the 70's & 80's? Was the US irresponsible to protect its ally on war on terror when Pakistan proliferated nuclear weapons to other states through A Q Khan?
      The Pandora's box was already opened when the US protected its devious ally, Pakistan, for all these years. Like that in the past, Pakistan will continue to acquire more nukes from China.

  • Posted By: NPegasus @ 10/12/2008 4:30:22 PM

    Mr Kushner, like many of us, cares for non-proliferation of nukes. However, he overlooks the fact that the NPT has never been a gold standard; because, for decades, the NPT signatories have been violating the treaty for individual gains. The NPT signatories have mocked the treaty by neither reducing the stockpiles of existing nukes nor by stopping the proliferation of nukes to rogue states. The NPT will continue to be an arbitrary treaty.

    Whether the India-US deal was signed or not, the ingredients for an arms race were already present in Asia. In my view, India deserved this deal. When we look at India on the basis of stability of the government, past records on nuclear non-proliferation and risk of falling nukes in rogue hands, India comes out as a winner in each criteria. Morever, India with its impeccable record on non-proliferation and its growing stature looks like a shining star in the sky. For now at least, the case for India???s inclusion in the league of nuclear countries cannot be extended to Iran and Pakistan.

  • Posted By: joeblrod @ 10/12/2008 3:40:48 PM

    This deal is not as much about a US - India "deal" but about creating a fair and just world order. Why do countries like US, britain, france , china get to be the only nuclear powers in the world ? One might argue that these nations are considered "responsible" nuclear nations and not only are they "custodians" of this nuclear technology but are also "safekeepers" and "peacemakers" of the world. That they would ensure that nuclear technology does not get into the wrong hands and at same time by their sheer power and might put the technology for the betterment of mankind. India seeks to become part of that club that has both responsibility and benefits from it. And why not? Its surrounded by nuclear nations such as china and pakistan both with extremely tainted track record in nuclear matters. India not only deserves to be part of the club but also should be supported whole heartedly by the entire world in order to empower it to keep the peace in a nuclear world by embracing it as one of the "good" enforcers. Its the right thing to do for a country that represents one-sixth of mankind and is a model citizen of the world. Denying its rightful place is not only unjust in geo-political terms but stinks of imperial selfishness towards developing and emerging powers.

    I say once India has been given this nuclear status the west should go beyond that and welcome India as one of the members of the UN security council as well. It will do the world proud and in fact it will be a moral voice for the world at times and will even be willing to stand up to the US itself which if fast vacating the seat of being a just and moral high priest in a increasingly violent world.

  • Posted By: asifkhan2000 @ 10/12/2008 3:14:52 PM

    India has committed to no-first-use doctrine. Then why should Pakistan worry about India???s Bomb if it has no sinister ideas? With the political structure in India (where Muslim appeasement is a priority) I bet they will not dare to use The Bomb on Pakistan even in retaliation. See with POK, did India try getting it back instead of shamelessly showing it still as part of India/Kashmir in their version of political map? In my opinion Pakistan should be happy with this and rather spend its precious resources on the social development than building Bombs.

  • Posted By: cin45220 @ 10/12/2008 3:08:57 PM

    It is ridiculous to seek for practical solutions for global warming and not help emerging countries such as India to develop alternative energy sources. Furthermore, India has been responsible with respect to non-profileration without signing NPT in the past. What's the point in signing NPT and aiding in profileration of nuclear arms (like pakistan and north korea does). So the author is wrong in making an argument that India should not be allowed the right to nuclear technology without signing the NPT.

    Regarding threat to the world with India possesing nuclear weapons, India has adopted a no first use policy.
    Fluffy here has mentioned whether nobody can blame Pakistan if its gets into a arm race with India. Well, I would argue that Pakistan is the source of all the problems in South Asia. Be it Kashmir or instigating domestic islamic terrorism in India or encouraging taliban activities in Afganistan or creating communal violence in India, the hand of ISI (pakistan's notorious intelligence agency, which to my surprise US trusts) can be easily found.

  • Posted By: nitinsen @ 10/12/2008 1:33:19 AM

    The articles compares apples and oranges. The dual use of fissile material has always been the first concern in this deal for which safeguards have been put in place. The civilian nuclear deal can also not be a catalyst for a conventional arms race. It is to the credit of India that India has got a waiver from the NSG. Its stable democratic government, excellent track record of non-proliferation are the reason, which Pakistan lacks. As for Israel, it is secretive about its nuclear program and lived in much more volatile area.

    • Posted By: Sutapas Bhattacharya @ 10/12/2008 7:25:52 AM

      Israel is a settler-colonial entity that threatens its neighbours and the world with its tribal self-interests.

  • Posted By: khansha @ 10/12/2008 2:20:32 AM

    To Mr Hakim,
    You fail to realize that Pakistan's regimes allowed nuclear weapons to get into dangerously unstable hands around the world. Pakistan is a bigger danger than India has ever been or will be to the world. Yes I am an Indian and I hope you have the courage to read through the rest of my statement below.

    And about my english, even if I spoke useless english. I would still be able to communicate that the human terrorism supported and exported (shamelessly in the name of your religious brotherhood) by Pakistan should scare you a lot more than whatever potential you see in India's gaining this nuclear energy material.

    Pakistan's support for terrorism have sullied the name of your religion that you so fiercely (and correctly) want to preserve. You have to first realize that some of your so-called brothers are damaging your religion and that people like you need to stand up to protect your religion from these "so-called protectors" (aka terrorists) of your faith.

    Also realize that India is home to the second largest Muslim population in the world and home to possibly the most progressive Muslims in the world.

  • Posted By: nitinsen @ 10/12/2008 1:36:28 AM

    India has got a special waiver from the NSG due to its excellent track record on non-proliferation and a stable, democratc form of government-two things Pakistan cannot boast of. As for Israel, it has never come out openly with its nuclear program and is in the midst of a more volatile region. As for the cilvil nuclear deal triggering an arms race, conventional or otherwise, that seems to be a remote possibility. Nitin Sen, Beijing

  • Posted By: birenb @ 10/12/2008 12:48:07 AM

    The world needs India as India needs the world.

  • Posted By: birenb @ 10/12/2008 12:47:07 AM

    I just want to write to the author of this article that India has had an impeccable record of any type of tech or weapons tranfer of any kind. Please dont compare India and Israel and state that Israel has a better record than India. For obvious reasons Israel wouldnt tranfer the tech to anyone as its under the US umbrella. India hasnt tranferred anything to anyone and is a responsble power which will become a world power. The Thwo

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