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'Lying' About Being Liberal?

A McCain-Palin ad twists Obama's words.

By D'Angelo Gore | factcheck.org
Oct 13, 2008 | Updated: 2:45  p.m. ET Oct 13, 2008

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  • Posted By: drewand @ 09/02/2009 1:34:36 PM

    Politicians lying? Say it ain't true! Lawdy de despit.

  • Posted By: memo2 @ 11/23/2008 7:10:30 AM

    One think is for sure we all are lying,or have to not to said the true vecause we don't know what is going to happen tomorrow in general, sample you have a plan for next day but you have to change it cause of unexpected surprising, so you have to improvise then you have to said something is not true.
    In fact we don't know if the person said the true or not,and some are very,very good the other thing most people do not like others LYING in some way you feel is something wgrong.is like one person said something and the other is goin to change it in diferent way.
    And regarding Mr: Obama I got that same feeling of something was wgrong when he said the he start criticizing Mrs: Clinton at the time of the debates and later Mr:Obama was pretty much in silence doing it with, Mr McCain,or Mrs:Sarah Palin, some way he know who make people loose control and Mr:Obama he know how to control Very well, is a technic what not to many people understand who to manage that skill the rest I'm sure you have the conclusion of the rest of it. no matter what I said I'm not try to change anything you think of what you think, no body is going to change anithing what is done is done and if we are in this situation is because some one make this happen on the past now as you see it happen most of us we never think or we never pay attention because we don't know most of you vote for Mr: Bush 8 years ago so way most people blame him only??..

  • Posted By: kathleen5 @ 10/14/2008 6:41:20 PM

    Thank you Lee! I for one, appreciate the continued narrative on this subject! LV - How did Obama lie about Ayers, Wright and ACORN? By omission. Personally, I don't really care that he was friends with Ayers. But the point is, he was not TRUTHFUL with the American public about his ties...to Ayers and all the rest. He has had a very long and close relationship with ACORN, and it is only now beginning to truly leak out. He needed to be truthful, and he wasn't. That raises a very large red flag for me, and it should for all American voters.

    Further, by trying to cover up his $832K contribution to ACORN, it also smacks of untruthfulness, and the tendency to omit things so the American public won't start questioning his motives. Let me propose this...ACORN is a very well funded organization, and as noted previously, a good portion of the recent bailout bill was earmarked for them. Why did Obama need to provide his own contribution to that organization, specifically during the Democrat primaries? On that merit alone, the action looks suspicious. And why did he need to funnel it through a front organization, and then change the FEC report to say the contribution was for "staging and lighting?" That action says to me this is a man who has something to hide. Trust me, he is very well versed on voter-buying and the fact that activity could bring him down with a felony conviction. Why put himself in that position when he has so much to lose? It smacks of arrogance, and says to me he thinks the American public is stupid enough not to ask questions about his activities. Well, I am a very concerned American voter, and I AM asking those questions. His actions on all of these issues is suspect, and at the very least is NOT becoming of a man who is vying for a term in the White House!

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/15/2008 11:35:16 AM

      Don't you get embarrassed pretending to be so stupid, uninformed and pushy? You are pretending right? You do know what you're saying has been answered 100 times and you keep repeating the same lie right? You are pretending right?

      • Posted By: kathleen5 @ 10/15/2008 4:36:46 PM

        No embarrasment here. I AM asking these questions, and every single voting American should be doing exactly the same. I used to be an Obama supporter, but I am not any longer, because there's just too many controversies surrounding this guy. He is very young in his political career to have this much "stuff" going on. If he will not be completely truthful with the American people about ALL of his associations, what else isn't he being truthful about that we just don't know yet. These are things that have not been answered by Obama. Every person should be asking why this guy gave $832K to ACORN specifically for get-out-the-vote activities during the primaries, but fronted the $$ through another organization, then changed the FEC report to label the contribution as "staging and lighting." The contribution is troubling on it's own merit, but by fronting it through another organization, the whole thing looks very suspicious.

        Further, this guy doesn't come clean with any information until he is pressed to do so. Just yesterday, he tried to play down his affiliation with ACORN, and said that the only thing he had to do with the group was to represent them as a lawyer on one occasion. He said nothing about the almost $1M that he GAVE the organization THIS year. Nothing. Further, he is NOT joining his fellow politicians...Republicans and Democrats on both sides of the aisle... who are calling for a stop to all federal-funding to this organization until the entire matter is investigated properly. I find that troubling, too. This man wants to become the President of the United States. If he won't be completely truthful with the American public without being pressed to do so, it should be troubling to every American voter. I cannot offer my support to such a person, and I feel it is my responsibility to talk about it with other Americans, all of whom should be asking exactly the same questions.

        • Posted By: Nins @ 10/15/2008 5:02:42 PM

          It is normal for campaigns to pay organizations to register and mobilize voters. Both Republicans and Democrats have done this for years. In a campaign that is costing hundreds of millions of dollars, spending $800,000 on a voter registration drive is not in the least bit shocking.

          Obama was affiliated with Acorn about 15 years ago in Chicago. Acorn has done excellent work in America, helping to bring disenfranchised poor voters into their legal rights as citizens. We all have the right to vote. Some of us (historically blacks, women and ethnic minorities) have been barred from voting by prejudice. Acorn exists to recitfy these wrongs, and to help people claim their rights as citizens.

          It happens to be true that most poor and disadvantaged voters tend to vote Democrat. The Democrats have reached out to this voting block with great success. It's kind of hard for Republicans to say to poor blacks "Vote for us!" when the GOP has so consistently fostered racism in American politics, in ways ranging from blocking civil rights legislation to Rush Limbaugh, et al.

          As for allegations of registration fraud at Acorn, it may be true that there are a few specific cases where over-zealous individuals abused the integrity of the Acorn mission. But one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch, and a few inaccurate registrations can not cancel out the altruistic work that Acorn has done for decades. Even more important, Acorn is required by law to submit ALL voter registrations it receives. This law exists to prevent voter registrations groups from dumping registrations of people they object to -- for instance, a GOP registration drive is required to turn in the registrations of everyone, including Democrats who sign up at their table. Sometimes people fill out fake registrations, using names like Donald Duck or giving the planet Mars as their address. For this reason, every registration drive will end up turning in forms that are counted as fraudulent by the elections board. Acorn, like every other voter registration organization, has a percentage of forms that are invalid and labeled "fraudulent". This does not mean that Acorn is committing fraud. But the smear mongers and conspiracy theorists go crazy.

          Furthermore, you need to think your way through some of these reports. For instance, the report that the same name and address was registered 72 times. What would this mean for the election? Absolutely nothing, because when you go to vote you show up with your ID, and they mark you off as having already voted. You can not then vote again. And have you considered the fact that Karl Rove operative might have purposely turned in these false registrations, knowing that Acorn was bound by law to give all of them to the Elections Board? Oh, yeah, it might have been a set up. Kind of like the John Kerry Swift Boating.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/14/2008 9:17:58 PM

    "Press Releases

    AJC Strongly Condemns Rev. Jesse Jackson's Comment on American Jews
    October 14, 2008 - New York - The American Jewish Committee (AJC) has condemned the Rev. Jesse Jackson's statement about 'Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades.'
    "Rev. Jackson's remarks, which appeared in an interview with the journalist Amir Taheri in today's New York Post, echo classic anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Jewish power," said AJC Executive Director David A. Harris. 'This statement, regrettably, is not the first troubling comment by Rev. Jackson regarding Israel, Zionism and the Jewish people.'

    Arguing as a private citizen that an Obama administration could bring significant change to U.S. foreign policy, Jackson was quoted as saying that "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" would lose much of their influence should Senator Obama be elected president."


    http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=849241&ct=6107743

    And people are upset about raciest comments some in the crowd are allegedly saying at Palin events? Isn???t this the same Democrat leader who once called New York "Hymietown"?

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/15/2008 11:33:38 AM

      Now for the lie. Again.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 10/15/2008 5:01:55 PM

        You're right, Nowforthetruth usually fills his blogs with lies. However, he is right about Jesse Jackson making anti-Semitic remarks. But he is wrong in assuming that Jesse Jackson somehow represents Obama.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 10/15/2008 5:00:27 PM

      Gosh, Nowforthetruth, I actually agree with you about something! Maybe we should open a bottle of champagne.

      It is true that Jesse Jackson has uttered anti-Semitic remarks in his career. Jackson is the kind of guy who pees on his own shoes. He likes to fight with fire but forgets he might get burned. Although I appreciate his role in the civil rights movement I can't say that I respect or admire him in the past couple of decades, when he has looked increasingly out of date and ineffectual.

      But the thing you fail to point out is that Jesse Jackson hates Barack Obama. In fact, he was recorded saying he wanted to "Cut Obama's nuts off." Obama is not a Black Power radical or even a liberal, and Jackson hates him for it. Also, there may be a tinge of envy in there. Jackson wanted to be the first black president.

      Furthermore, AIPAC has given Obama an A+ rating. This pro-Israel organization would not have done so if they thought Obama was anti-Semitic.

      Since I know that you think Obama is a flaming radical, I would like to remind you of what he did when he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. The Law Review President gets to name 10 individuals to write articles for the review, and these 10 people also get to control the content of the publication. All of the minorities and the liberals thought they finally had it made, that Obama would appoint 10 left wing editors. Instead, Obama appointed three conservatives, three liberals and four moderates. That year the Law Review was critically acclaimed as the best run and best written Harvard publication in decades.

      So when he wins in November, don't freak out. Obama is a centrist and will appoint a balanced cabinet full of active people who will really get things done. Kind of like the way our multi-cultural society is supposed to be.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/15/2008 4:58:22 PM

    To all of the conservatives out there who think that Obama is a flaming liberal, I would like to remind you of what he did when he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. The Law Review President gets to name ten individuals to write articles for the Review, and these ten people also get to control the content of the publication. All of the minorities and the liberals thought they finally had it made, that Obama would appoint ten left wing editors. Instead, Obama appointed three conservatives, three liberals and four moderates. That year the Law Review was critically acclaimed as the best run and best written Harvard publication in decades.

    So when he wins in November, don't freak out. Obama is a centrist and will appoint a balanced cabinet full of active people who will really get things done. Kind of like the way our multi-cultural society is supposed to be.

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/14/2008 9:47:39 AM

    Bertha Lewis, Chief Organizer of ACORN, said, "It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans. Maybe it is out of desperation that Senator McCain has forgotten that he was for ACORN before he was against ACORN; he was for immigration reform before he was against immigration reform; and he was a maverick before he became erratic. We were thrilled to partner with him to help reform the outdated immigration laws in this country, and were pleased to work closely with him on this issue."

    Lewis continued, "We expected Senator McCain to support our efforts to give voice to millions of Americans who have never participated in an election before. We are surprised at his efforts to vilify an organization that, until recently, he saw as an ally. Maybe this surprise attack and change of heart is indicative of his state of mind, and the way he would govern."

    Senator McCain and his campaign have recently launched a series of coordinated attacks on ACORN, the nation???s largest community organization of low-and moderate-income families.

    Ms. Lewis went on to say that, "We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform."

    Senator McCain was joined at the rally by Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-FL), Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL), leaders from both political parties, immigrant communities, and members of labor, business, and religious organizations.


    http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22387&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12386&cHash=26dc07613c

    • Posted By: Nins @ 10/15/2008 4:17:38 PM

      Bravo, Max! Thanks for standing up to this smear campaign designed to cast aspersions on Obama. Sure, McCain loved Acorn, back when he thought that the Hispanics were going to vote for him. Now that McCain is losing he changes his tune. I feel bad for McCain. He really was a maverick, at least from 1999-2004. Since then he has sold his soul to the devil of Bush and Rove. I do believe that McCain is an honorable man at heart, so this must be killing him.

  • Posted By: kathleen5 @ 10/14/2008 12:51:54 PM

    The issue regarding ACORN and Citizens Services is a serious one. ACORN is no stranger to charges of voter fraud over the years. But this year, it's different. Federal investigation into recent charges didn't happen until there was a large number of allegations from MANY states regarding continuing issues over bogus voter registration. No doubt, this organization had good intentions when it began, but something has clearly gone awry. Many politicians over the last 20 years have turned to ACORN with regard to voter registration. It's a federally-funded organization! And even approximately 20% of the recent bailout bill was earmarked for ACORN. But...considering the recent extensive allegations, the Feds and the American people, can no longer look the other way.

    Tampering with voter registrations is a FELONY. That means signing people up multiple times, falsifying voter registration cards, etc., is a FELONY. Those people who choose to engage in such activities can plan on enjoying numerous years in prison, upon conviction and sentencing. Further, using convicted felons to conduct voter registration activities violates Federal law. And make no mistake, voter-buying is a FELONY, too.

    Upon investigation by the Feds, it appears that ACORN used convicted felons to conduct voter registration activities in at least two states. In one case, prisoners on a work/release program were conducting those activities. Several people are under indictment already in yet another state for falsifying voter registrations cards. On October 10, 2008, CBS reported that they "talked to nearly two dozen ACORN workers who all said they were pressured to increase their number of registration cards - to the point of copying names out of phone books, signing up inmates, and registering the dead." Read the full article here http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/10/cbsnews_investigates/main4514429.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4514429

    Regarding voter-buying, well, look no further than Obama. The $832K he gave to ACORN specifically for get-out-the-vote activities during the Democrat primaries looks suspicious. That alone should send up the red flags for all American voters. But once those funds were funneled through another organization, and the contribution was re-recorded in his FEC report as "staging and lighting", (after charges that his campaign made a clerical error), those activities make him at the very least, complicit to possible FELONY charges of voter-buying!

    People can say all they want that this is just John McCain crying foul. Personally, I'm really glad that these types of activities are truly coming to light. This has bothered me for years. I find it reprehensible that a large, well-known, and federally-funded organization like this can, at the very least, tamper with our right to elect the person we choose for the White House! We, the American voting public, should NO LONGER look the other way to these types of activities!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 10/15/2008 4:13:04 PM

      And how would registering the dead change the outcome of the election? They are not going to get out their graves and vote on November 4th.

      Funny how no one mentions that the GOP has filed lawsuits in several key states to block voters from voting who don't have drivers licences that show their current address, and further that the address has to match the address on the voter registration. Why did they do this? Because 18% of blacks don't have a drivers license. This is Rove's way of squelching the black vote. Also, the matching address law is another tactic to bar legitimate citizens from exercising their right to vote. Younger voters are more likely to vote for Obama. Younger people move more often than seniors, so their addresses are less likely to match their voter registration. Bingo!, another key bloc of Obama supporters are being targeted by the GOP and barred from the polls.

      Most of these Acorn allegations don't hold water anyway (see my earlier post).

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/15/2008 4:10:17 PM

    mccainsupporter

    In a time of McCain's needs answers, Barack needs answers on;

    There is also evidence that in the first months of Reagan's presidency, the White House received a ransom proposal for a number of POWs being held by Hanoi. The offer, which was passed to Washington from an official of a third country, was apparently discussed at a meeting in the Roosevelt Room attended by Reagan, Vice President George H.W. Bush, CIA director William Casey and National Security Adviser Richard Allen. Allen confirmed the offer in sworn testimony to the Senate POW committee on June 23, 1992.

    Allen was allowed to testify behind closed doors, and no information was released. But a San Diego Union-Tribune reporter, Robert Caldwell, obtained the portion of the testimony relating to the ransom offer and wrote about it. The ransom request was for $4 billion, Allen testified. He said he told Reagan that "it would be worth the president going along and let's have the negotiation." When his testimony appeared in the Union-Tribune, Allen quickly wrote a letter to the panel, this time not under oath, recanting the ransom story, saying his memory had played tricks on him.

    But the story didn't end there. A Treasury agent on Secret Service duty in the White House, John Syphrit, came forward to say he had overheard part of the ransom conversation in the Roosevelt Room in 1981. The Senate POW committee voted not to subpoena him to testify.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 10/14/2008 1:21:18 PM

    Barack Hussein Obama donated $800,000.00 to ACORN to assist in voter fraud in at least 12 key battleground states. Everytime there is something controversial going back as far as the Democratic primaries it centered around Barack Hussein Obama...Bill Ayers, Rev Wright etc....

    BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS DIRECTLY LINKED WITH ACORN VOTER FRAUD !! HE IS TRYING TO STEAL THE GENERAL ELECTION JUST AS HE DID IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES !!
    FBI ...CHECK THE PHONE RECORDS BETWEEN ACORN REPS AND THE OBAMA CAMP..THERE YOU WILL FIND PROOF !!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 10/15/2008 4:03:34 PM

      It is normal for campaigns to pay organizations to register and mobilize voters. Both Republicans and Democrats have done this for years. In a campaign that is costing hundreds of millions of dollars, spending $800,000 on a voter registration drive is not in the least bit shocking.

      Obama was affiliated with Acorn about 15 years ago in Chicago. Acorn has done excellent work in America, helping to bring disenfranchised poor voters into their legal rights as citizens. We all have the right to vote. Some of us (historically blacks, women and ethnic minorities) have been barred from voting by prejudice. Acorn exists to recitfy these wrongs, and to help people claim their rights as citizens.

      It happens to be true that most poor and disadvantaged voters tend to vote Democrat. The Democrats have reached out to this voting block with great success. It's kind of hard for Republicans to say to poor blacks "Vote for us!" when the GOP has so consistently fostered racism in American politics, in ways ranging from blocking civil rights legislation to Rush Limbaugh, et al.

      As for allegations of registration fraud at Acorn, it may be true that there are a few specific cases where over-zealous individuals abused the integrity of the Acorn mission. But one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch, and a few inaccurate registrations can not cancel out the altruistic work that Acorn has done for decades. Even more important, Acorn is required by law to submit ALL voter registrations it receives. This law exists to prevent voter registrations groups from dumping registrations of people they object to -- for instance, a GOP registration drive is required to turn in the registrations of everyone, including Democrats who sign up at their table. Sometimes people fill out fake registrations, using names like Donald Duck or giving the planet Mars as their address. For this reason, every registration drive will end up turning in forms that are counted as fraudulent by the elections board. Acorn, like every other voter registration organization, has a percentage of forms that are invalid and labeled "fraudulent". This does not mean that Acorn is committing fraud. But the smear mongers and conspiracy theorists go crazy.

      Furthermore, you need to think your way through some of these reports. For instance, the report that the same name and address was registered 72 times. What would this mean for the election? Absolutely nothing, because when you go to vote you show up with your ID, and they mark you off as having already voted. You can not then vote again. And have you considered the fact that Karl Rove operative might have purposely turned in these false registrations, knowing that Acorn was bound by law to give all of them to the Elections Board? Oh, yeah, it might have been a set up. Kind of like the John Kerry Swift Boating.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/15/2008 11:42:59 AM

      Now you and a few others keep typing the big lies in caps and we know you're a little afraid.
      It's okay we understand that some people have not had the same access to the world as others, but try to be more human. If you read and listen instead of doing all this me, me, me yelling perhaps you will gain some knowledge to pass on correctly.

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/15/2008 4:01:00 PM

    mccainsupporter

    I don't think Barack would want to walk in McCain shoes because then Barack would have to explain why...;

    The Pentagon had been withholding significant information from POW families for years. What's more, the Pentagon's POW/MIA operation had been publicly shamed by internal whistleblowers and POW families for holding back documents as part of a policy of "debunking" POW intelligence even when the information was obviously credible. The pressure from the families and Vietnam veterans finally produced the creation, in late 1991, of a Senate "Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs." The chair was John Kerry, but McCain, as a POW, was its most pivotal member. In the end, the committee became part of the debunking machine.

    Included in the evidence that McCain and his government allies suppressed or tried to discredit is a transcript of a senior North Vietnamese general's briefing of the Hanoi Politburo, discovered in Soviet archives by an American scholar in the 1990s. The briefing took place only four months before the 1973 peace accords. The general, Tran Van Quang, told the Politburo members that Hanoi was holding 1,205 American prisoners but would keep many of them at war's end as leverage to ensure getting reparations from Washington.

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/15/2008 3:47:18 PM

    mccainsupporter

    I get it because there were people that opposed the war in the US, the Vietnamese didn't want to come to the table, so McCain had to suffer. Bill Ayers felt he didn't do enough and you are saying that he prolonged the war by HIMSELF. By failing to show their exuberance... do you mean McCain received extra beatings because Ayers didn't smile enough or maybe he didn't whistle while working?

    Since you want to bring up POW's

    John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn't return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero people would logically imagine to be a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.

    Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain's role in it, even as McCain has made his military service and POW history the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War have also turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn't talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.

    The sum of the secrets McCain has sought to hide is not small. There exists a telling mass of official documents, radio intercepts, witness depositions, satellite photos of rescue symbols that pilots were trained to use, electronic messages from the ground containing the individual code numbers given to airmen, a rescue mission by a Special Forces unit that was aborted twice by Washington and even sworn testimony by two defense secretaries that "men were left behind." This imposing body of evidence suggests that a large number--probably hundreds--of the US prisoners held in Vietnam were not returned when the peace treaty was signed in January 1973 and Hanoi released 591 men, among them Navy combat pilot John S. McCain.

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/schanberg

  • Posted By: mccainsupporter @ 10/15/2008 3:07:23 PM

    Why Bill Ayers is important to this campaign?
    John McCain should make the argument personal and something that the American people can identify and understand. John McCain views Bill Ayers as a founder of the Weathermen and Weather Underground and also founder of the Students for Democratic Society SDS on the campus of the University of Michigan. The University of Michigan had held the first sit-in against the war. John McCain and the other 600 Vietnam POWs believe Bill Ayers was responsible for prolonging the war and causing them to receive extra beatings by the North Vietnamese for refusing to show their exuberance for the antiwar effort in the United States. The North Vietnamese fought even harder and refused to negotiate or return our POWs given the organized antiwar protests in the United States. All the North Vietnamese had to do was wait and domestic antiwar protests orchestrated by Bill Ayers would cause the United States to surrender. John McCain spent five and half years as a POW and personally received extra beatings because of Bill Ayers. Barack Obama views Bill Ayers as a reformed domestic terrorist who did despicable things in the past but should be given a second chance today. For Barack Obama there was never a need to keep a distance from Bill Ayers. Maybe if Barack Obama could have walked in John McCain???s shoes for just one day and suffered just one of the extra beatings that John McCain endured for five and a half years because of Bill Ayers and his Weathermen antiwar movement then maybe Barack Obama might appreciate a need to keep a distance from Bill Ayers. Along with the SDS Students for Democratic Society, Weathermen Underground, the Black Panther Party also actively opposed the Vietnam War. Barack Obama received the support of Southside Chicago Congressman and former Black Panther party member Bobby L. Rush during his bid for the Illinois US Senate seat. The Black Panther Party along with the Weathermen Underground prolonged John McCains captivity and caused him to receive extra beatings. It is ironic, that Bill Ayers led the antiwar protests during the Vietnam era that caused John McCain to receive extra beatings and to experience nearly six years of captivity, and today Barack Obama has been leading antiwar calls against the Iraq war. Barack Obama can not understand why John McCain is not happy that Barack Obama has not kept a distance from Bill Ayers. If Barack Obama had walked in John McCain???s or any of the other 600 American POWs shoes one day, he would have no problem understanding why he should have kept his distance from Bill Ayers. The word shunning comes to mind. If Barack Obama would have shunned Bill Ayers and members of the Black Panthers Party there would be no issue in tonights debate.

  • Posted By: kathleen5 @ 10/13/2008 10:16:39 PM

    The following is NOT a lie, NOT a distortion, NOT a spin. Barack Hussein Obama has close and long-standing ties with ACORN, a supposed "grassroots", but federally-funded organization that is currently under investigation for serious voter fraud. Not just in one county, or in one state, but in at least 11 key, battleground states. This organization also pressured banks into relaxing their standards to provide loans for those people that were not credit-worthy, which helped to bring about the credit crisis this country now finds itself in. In addition, it was found that Obama's campaign gave $832K to ACORN during this year's Democrat primaries, specifically for get-out-the vote efforts, but funneled the contribution through a front organization called Citizens Services. When Obama figured out that he needed to distance himself from this controversial organization, the contribution was labeled by his Federal Election Commission as "staging and lighting."

    Consider the following, which is happening right now, and expect there to be more investigations, followed by indictments:

    Connecticut: local investigators are reviewing numerous reports of registration fraud committed by ACORN, including one case where a 7 year-old girl was registered to vote.
    Florida: ACORN submitted hundreds of duplicate registrations to the Seminole County Supervisor of Elections.
    Indiana: Almost half of the 5,000 registrations submitted by ACORN in Gary have been rejected for fraud and other irregularities.
    Missouri: ACORN is being blamed for hundreds of bogus and duplication registration applications that are "bogging down the system."
    Nevada: The Las Vegas office of ACORN was raided by state law enforcement for its alleged involvement in voter fraud. In addition to registering the Dallas Cowboys starting line-up, ACORN also used prison inmates through a work release program to conduct voter registration activities.
    New Mexico: ACORN was exposed for employing numerous felons to collect voter registrations including sex offenders and persons accused of identity theft. The FBI is currently investigating 1,400 registrations.
    Ohio: ACORN admitted to Cuyahoga County election officials that it cannot eliminate fraud from its operation. The Board has been investigating ACORN registrations since August.
    Pennsylvania: Thousands of ACORN registrations have been turned over to federal authorities for investigation.
    Wisconsin: 39 ACORN employees are under investigation for registration fraud and 2 have already been indicted.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/15/2008 11:50:01 AM

      It is both a lie and a distortion. It falls far away from how it is being delivered in the media and from ACORN. Both parties have strong ties with the entity, and both have and do support them. So, yeah - a lie. But that seems to be the Rep way with less than three weeks left. But it's okay - you have nothing else you can do at this point. What's strange is how come you guys want Obama to denounce, apologize and cry about things he did not do, and has no control over, while Palin and McCain get caught doing something stupid everyday.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 10/13/2008 10:36:18 PM

      Kathleen, fraudulent registrations are regretable, but they are no threat to the election process. There are at least three ways that states weed out fraudulent registrations.

      1. Information on registration forms is checked against motor vehicle department records and/or Social Security records (ID numbers are required on registration forms). If there is no match, the registration is discarded.

      2. New registrants are sent a confimration card in the mail. If the card is returned because the address does not exist or there is no person by that name living at that address, the registration is struck from the rolls.

      3. New voters must bring identification to the polls that matches their registation form. Acceptable ID is limited to government issued ID -- such as passports or driver's licenses -- bank statements that have the address on the registration form, a government check that has the address on the registrtion form, a utility bill that has the address on the registrtion form, or military ID.

      Now, it is just not very likely that there are armies of people out there, armed with fake government ID, willing to risk federal indictment, to vote for Obama. The olden days when the dead voted are over because of computerized information systems. Election offices are routinely sent death notices and deceased voters are removed from the rolls. Also, absentee ballots would not work, either, because the name, address and signature are checked before the ballot is opened. If they do not match the registration form, they are discarded. In Nevada, the investigation showed that 2100 registration forms were filled in and signed by the same person. Can you imagine any scenario in which a person could walk into a polling place in Nevada and get 2100 ballots?

      Fraudulent registrations are usually the result of having paid solicitors who turn in faked forms to earn more money. Candidates are not usually inplicated because they have nothing to gain. A fake registration rarely results in a vote cast. ACORN, in fact, cooperates in these investigations and even warns the state Election Offices when there is an indication that many of its registration forms are faked. However, by law, ACORN cannot weed out the fake forms. It MUST turn in to the Elections Office all the forms that are turned in by its solicitors.

      • Posted By: kathleen5 @ 10/14/2008 2:39:44 AM

        Mimi - While voter fraud is nothing new, I believe it's a big deal this year for a number of reasons.

        1) Voter fraud, and tampering with voter registration, is a felony. ACORN has long been accused of looking the other way to voter fraud, but, in this campaign, it is more than just allegations. The investigation is showing that ACORN employees in numerous battleground states knowingly committed felony voter fraud. They will be indicted and convicted, if proven guilty. ACORN is backtracking, and saying they are firing people who are not following the laws, but it is too little, too late. The important issue is Obama has long-standing ties with this organization, and has ample knowledge of past and current allegations. He accepted campaign endorsement by ACORN, and in the past represented them in his capacity as a lawyer. He???s refused to truly come clean about his involvement with ACORN, which says a whole lot about his personal integrity. If he's willing to do that before the election, what will he do afterward?

        2) Voter-buying is a felony. Giving a large sum of money to this controversial organization specifically for get-out-the-vote activities should be sending up red flags to all American voters. But, funneling those funds through a front organization and actually recording those activities as "staging and lighting"...after Obama's campaign claimed they made a clerical error...smacks of a cover-up. If ACORN is indicted for felony voter fraud, Barack Obama has a serious credibility issue facing him in the days ahead. Voters need to be aware, and understand the implication of...complicity. As the old adage says, if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck!

        3) If ACORN is indicted, Client Services, Inc will likely be indicted, too, as they handled the transfer of the funds. It ties the company directly to ACORN and right back to Obama. If that is the case, Obama will likely be indicted, along with them. This means Obama would be caught red-handed, trying to cover up his activities. Complicity is again the issue.

        4) Each state has their own laws regarding voter registration verification. Some states require backup, some do not. Some require picture ID, others don't. Further, some states are more vigilant about scrutinizing suspected fraudulent registrations, others are not. This is a tight election, and each vote counts...for BOTH sides. Both candidates know the battleground states could win or lose the election for them. Consequently, BOTH candidates should be concerned about voter fraud, particularly in those states. McCain, the Clintons, and mid-line Democrats and Republicans are all cooperating with the Federal investigation. But, where's Obama? He???s not aligning himself with those who are cooperating. This sends a clear message about Obama's moral judgment, character, and integrity. Every American voter should be informed about these troubling developments and how Obama is so closely con

        • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/14/2008 9:00:02 AM

          kathleen5

          The part I find most amazing is that 35-40% of the new voters registered by ACORN are choosing to be republican. So it turns out that republicans are SHOOTING themselves in the foot by going after the organization that is registering new republicans..

          1. In order to help 1.3 million people register to vote, we hired more than 13,000 registration assistance workers. As with any business or agency that operates at this scale, there are always some people who want to get paid without really doing the job, or who aim to defraud their employer. Any large department store will have some workers who shoplift.

          2. Any large voter registration operation will have a small percentage of workers who turn in bogus registration forms, Their goal clearly is not to cast a fraudulent vote. It is simply to defraud their employer, ACORN, by getting a paycheck without earning it. ACORN is the victim of this fraud ??? not the perpetrator.

          3. In nearly every case that has been reported , it was ACORN that discovered the bad forms, and called them to the attention of election authorities, putting the forms in a package that identified them in writing as suspicious, encouraging election officials to investigate, and offering to help with prosecutions. We are required by law to turn in all forms, but instead of just turning them in and figuring that it is the responsibility of the board of elections to figure out which are valid, we spend millions of dollars verifying that forms are valid, and then separate out those that are suspicious.

          4. This has nothing to do with ???voter fraud??? ??? nothing at all to do with anyone trying to cast an extra vote. There has never been a single reported instance in which bogus registration forms have led to anyone voting improperly. To do that, they would have to show up at the polls, prove their identity as all first-time registrants must, and risk jail. The people who turned in these forms did so not because they wanted an extra vote, but because they didn???t care enough to make sure eligible people got to vote at all.

        • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/14/2008 8:50:09 AM

          kathleen5

          5. When a department store calls the police to report a shoplifting employee, no one says the department store is guilty of consumer fraud. But for some reason, when ACORN turns voter registration workers over to the authorities for filling out bogus forms, it gets accused of ???voter fraud.??? This is a classic case of blaming the victim; indeed, these charges are outrageous, libelous, and often politically motivated.

          6. Similar attacks were launched against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. The bogus charges were at the heart of the U.S. Attorney-gate scandal that led to the resignations of Karl Rove, Attorney General Ablerto Gonzales and other top Justice Department Officials. It turned out that it was the charges that were fraudulent, and that they were part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression. Republican U.S. Attorneys David Iglesias (NM), Todd Graves (MO), and John McKay (WA) all were fired primarily because they refused to prosecute similar bogus charges of ???voter fraud.??? Another U.S. Attorney, Bradley Schlozman, who did politicize prosecutions against former ACORN canvassers, was forced to acknowledge under cross examination by the Senate Judiciary Committee that ACORN was the victim of fraud by its employees and ACORN had caught the employees and had identified them to law enforcement.

          7. The goals of the people orchestrating these attacks are to distract ACORN from helping people vote and to justify massive voter suppression. That???s the real voter fraud; the noise about a small fraction of the forms ACORN has turned in is meant to get the press and public take their eyes off the real threat, while those hurling the charges are stealing people???s right to vote in broad daylight. They have already tried to prevent Ohio from registering voters at its early voting sites. In Michigan, they planned to use foreclosure notices to challenge thousands of voters. And if this year is like past years, they are preparing to use this so-called voter fraud to justify massive challenges to voters in minority precincts on Election Day.

        • Posted By: xeyeldinTX @ 10/14/2008 8:29:11 AM

          Then, McCain would also be indictable since he too used ACORN.

        • Posted By: kathleen5 @ 10/14/2008 2:46:28 AM

          Oops...Freudian slip there. It should be Citizens Services, not Client Services. But, I guess it could be construed as such!

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/14/2008 9:51:27 AM

    I understand Bush did this to McCain TWICE to win the election, but that is no reason to take it out on Obama and ACORN..

    Senator Allied with ACORN as Recently as 2006, Now Turns Cold Shoulder

    October 13, 2008, Miami, FL - U.S. Senator John McCain's recent attacks on the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) are puzzling given his historic support for the organization and its efforts on behalf of immigrant Americans. As recently as February 20, 2006, Senator McCain was the keynote speaker at an ACORN-sponsored Immigration Rally in Miami, Florida at Miami Dade College ??? Wolfson Campus.

    The rally, co-sponsored by ACORN in partnership with the New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC), Catholic League Services ??? Archdiocese of Miami, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, Florida Immigrant Coalition, Miami Dade College, People for the American Way/Mi Familia/Vota en Accion, the Service Employees International Union, and UNITE/HERE, was intended to call attention to the need for comprehensive immigration reform.

    Senator McCain spoke at the rally attended by hundreds of ACORN members, most of whom were dressed in the red shirts typical of its members. Senator McCain's speech focused on the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act, a bipartisan, comprehensive reform bill, which McCain sponsored with Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA).

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/15/2008 3:46:30 AM



      OBAMA has been protected majorly by the DNC (plucked for winning the Primaries with the DNC being biased since BOs 2004 speech) and totally protected by the MainStreamMedia thru out his campaign. I say this as I am hoping that in tomorrows debate McCain is having against BO he will go all out to make Obama explain fully his relationship(w) with shady people. . . to help people determine Obamas character (which, if you go line by line, one friend, peer, fundraises, radical Pastor, spiritual leader . . . that Obama chose to make part of his life and / or some he did not chose but he did condone to continue to make a part of his life for 22+ years at this point to get where he is in his political career that all voters, not just the half that want to know . . .what he is as a person over the years as having these people as part of his life).!

      .

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/15/2008 11:44:36 AM

        You must be the guy in the Palin audience with the torch and big floppy hat.

  • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/15/2008 12:18:28 AM

    This will make you re-think: A Trivia question in Sunday School:

    How long is the beast allowed to have authority in Revelations?

    Revelations 13:5 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is;
    almost a four-year term of a Presidency.

    All I can say is "Lord, Have mercy on us!"

    According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is: The anti-Christ will
    be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with
    persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal...the prophecy says
    that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace,
    and when he is in power, will destroy everything...

    Do we recognize this description??
    ================================================================================

    Since most predictions are that the world as we know it will end in the year 2012,
    this sounds reasonable! Of course the numbers of true Christians are dwindling
    fast. It is becoming a sad nation. Our forefathers founded this country on
    Christian principles, but even that is being denied by many. Without the core
    beliefs that our country was founded on, this nation is doomed. Obama, coming onto
    the scene, has brought more hate and anger into this country like I have never seen in
    all my life. His core principles are so far left that it is enough to scare any
    intelligent, mature American. Our forefathers would turn over in their graves if they
    could see that most Americans are ready for Socialism or just too ignorant to understand
    what is happening. I guess I am just from the old school like John McCain, I still
    believe in God, freedom, equality, personal responsibility, capitalism, low taxes, and
    small government. For the last 30 or so years our government has squandered away our
    tax money and forced most of us to live in poverty or close to it. They treated our
    tax money as though it was theirs and like they earned it, and unlike most Americans,
    they did not live within their budget. Emergencies do arise, but any smart American
    knows that you have to be ready for those, so you try to have savings or you borrow the
    money with the intent of paying it back immediately. If Americans have learned anything,
    it is that the government can run nothing and messes up everything they put their hands on.
    Now, Americans seem ready to turn our country over to a big spender and a taxing fool.
    I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!!!

    • Posted By: hitobito @ 10/15/2008 9:42:59 AM

      That's precisely why you religious right evangelicals have zero credibility. Don't preach this BS to the world! Nobody is buying it! Have you ever studied anything except the Bible? What does the bible say about George W Bush who completely screwed up our country? You need to check back with Jesus and speak to him or her in tongues and let us know what He said!

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/15/2008 11:33:01 AM

        Zealots kill, judge, break and create new religious laws to fit their ugly personalities and greed don't you think?

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/15/2008 3:29:54 AM



    NEWSWEEK: A McCain-Palin ad claims Obama was rated the most liberal U.S. senator, which was true only for 2007 but not for his entire Senate career. He was rated 10th and 16th in his two previous years.

    MY COMMENT: Well of course Obama did what he did to be voted as the most Lberal Senator in the Senate career in to get that 2007 Rating. He wanted to get all of his leftist votes lined up and then move to the center in 2008 so he would then become the well known:

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/15/2008 11:30:45 AM

      But it's you Mr. Sharenews. All you do is lie - like McCain and Palin - and your credibility is zero like willnot, debunked, jose, holmes and the rest who live on this site to distort and lie. Your about one step above icyeyes and sportslock09. On one hand I feel sorry for you because you may not know that's how you act, but on the other you disgust me and everyone else who thinks and researches, because you probably do know what you're doing and doing it anyway.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/15/2008 3:34:09 AM

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25404397/

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 10/15/2008 9:19:53 AM

    1 in 10 Americans are unemployed. People aren't lying. They just don't have any money.

    Perhaps its time to kick out the 10 million H1-B workers in this country and give Americans these jobs.

    I guess the Corporations, Board Members, CIO's and CEO's like Slave Labor. Good Job Guys!

    • Posted By: hitobito @ 10/15/2008 9:32:10 AM

      The problem with your suggestion is that there are no qualified Americans who will work for the compensation of these H1-B workers! The H1-B workers I have met have been more qualified, better educated and more experienced than their American counterparts. Sad but true. If you haven't noticed, our country is "dumbing down" with falling scores in math, engineering and science. If we don't change this trend, we will have to import more H1-B workers from India and China!

  • Posted By: drewand @ 10/15/2008 8:29:50 AM

    DC in Fl....The McvCain-Palin campaign is the dirtiest in the recent history of Presidential politics. It is scandalous how badly they have twisted the truth or lied unashamedly. Don't be fooled, there is only one right choice and that is OBAMA-BIDEN.

  • Posted By: bluebloodedLV @ 10/14/2008 5:36:50 PM

    lee holmes - PS: McCain/Palin have been proven liars on more than one occasion, about more than one issue, so if that's your bone of contention, then you need to consider who you're supporting. Finally, really, Obama has been thoroughly checked out by the powers that be! Don't be ridiculous.

  • Posted By: bluebloodedLV @ 10/14/2008 5:27:04 PM

    Yes, the idiots getting paid $8/hour to get people registered are from ACORN, some are ex-felons and have no business handling peoples personal information. But it's quite a stretch to believe that Obama donated money so they would intentionally create false forms (which won't affect the election outcome - I live in Vegas and have been reading and listening to this investigation for awhile now).

    You seem somewhat informed, how did Obama lie about Ayers, Wright and ACORN? Show me something that has him lying about it. It doesn't exist.

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