Health Care Spin

Here's a factoid; 59% of all doctors according to the AMA are in favor of single payer healthcare. Ralph Nader is the ONLY candidate proposing single-payer healthcare. Fact Aetna charges 38% for administration. Blue Cross/Blue Shield Medicare charges only about 4% administrative cost. Does anyone get the picture here??Check out other issues that are off the table for Obama and McCain at voteNader.org...Who's the real progressive here??

get the lawyers out of the medical profession. Just because something doesn't turn out as you wanted or hoped does ot mean anyone did something wrong. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. We need state medical complaint boards that review and rule on all such filed cases not a bunch of lawyers, emeotional jurers and money hungry clients

How much do you trust that insurance companies are going to be making effort to make sure you have quality coverage (huge CEO salaries with Anthem)? McCain's plan lowers regulation, does not require coverage for pre-existing conditions, and corporations are not required to provide coverage. Seems pretty clear who the real beneficiaries are under that kind of plan.

FactCheck.Org is owned by the Annenberg group of Chicago! Talk about a conflict of interest! And Obama has been telling people on the trail to check out the site to verify his opponents claims. Funny, every time that he endorsed something, it turns out to be a part of his spin machine! Like he raised objections in the primaries when Indiana required photo I.D. to vote. He Protested that It took away people's right to vote! I
knew then and there that he was up to no good! America, wake up from the MASS HYPNOSIS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTs1YyhFRg&feature=related

Obama, the excuses are wearing thin. what excuse do you have for this one?:
http://www.againstobama.com/2008/10/obama-praised-searing-and-timely-book-by-ayers/

Dennis Kucinich does not support a "Canadian-style health plan". He supports H.R. 676, which calls for the expansion of Medicare to cover everyone, paid for with a payroll tax. The whole "socialized medicine" thing is just misinformation. The medical community would remain private, with healthcare benefits being publically funded. Employers would save big not paying for employee group health plans, and the medical community would no longer be forced to absorb some $34 billion a year for unpaid services, since all services would be paid for. Its a win for everyone.

TXSAggie96

Not exactly correct: "Under HIPAA, the only preexisting conditions that may be excluded under a preexisting condition exclusion are those for which medical advise, diagnosis, care or treatment was recommended or received within the 6-month period before your enrollment date. (Your enrollment date is your first day of coverage, or if there is a waiting period to get into the plan, the first day of the waiting period.)" Close though.

Not exactly correct TXSAGGIE96

"Under HIPAA, the only preexisting conditions that may be excluded under a preexisting condition exclusion are those for which medical advise, diagnosis, care or treatment was recommended or received within the 6-month period before your enrollment date. (Your enrollment date is your first day of coverage, or if there is a waiting period to get into the plan, the first day of the waiting period.)" Its true that it is limited, but it is still there.

To all of the conservatives out there who think that Obama is a flaming liberal, I would like to remind you of what he did when he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. The Law Review President gets to name ten individuals to write articles for the Review, and these ten people get to control the content of the publication. All of the minorities and the liberals thought they finally had it made, that Obama would appoint ten left wing editors. Instead, Obama appointed three conservatives, three liberals and four moderates. That year the Law Review was critically acclaimed as the best run and best written Harvard publication in decades.

So when he wins in November, conservatives don't have to freak out. Obama is a centrist and will appoint a balanced cabinet full of active people who will really get things done. Kind of like the way our multi-cultural society is supposed to be. And exactly what we need in this time of economic crisis.

Woman in Indiana says "That does not seem fair. It could happen to any hard working American. McCain's plan to cut across State lines scares me for people like this because the pre-existing conditions can be denied."

Under the Health Insurance Portability & Protection Act (HIPPA) you cannot be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions when you switch insurance companies (i.e. when you change jobs).

This is one of the big scare tactics from Democrats on the health care issue. Here is my experience: I have a 6 year old, 3 heart surgeries, 1 pleurodesis (collapsed lung repair), 3 abdominal/stomach surgeries, multiple ER visits for high fever. I switched jobs when he was 3. I switched from my previous employers coverage to COBRA, then to my new insurers plan that does have preexisting clauses. They have not denied one claim due to preexisting condition being protected by HIPPA

Lest you labor under the mistaken belief that all black people favor Obama....



http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html

Jim Johnson, no matter how many times people tell you that Obama is against socialism, you keep posting these blogs that accuse Obama of socialism and communism. It is not ture and you know it. You are just trying to smear Obama and make people afraid.

In his book Audacity of Hope, Obama writes at length about the FAILURE of SOCIALISM and the failure of communism. He enthusiastically states that American democracy is the greatest political system on earth. Obama is not a socialist, and he does not admire socialism.

To you, Jim, and to all of the conservatives out there who think that Obama is a flaming liberal, I would like to remind you of what he did when he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. The Law Review President gets to name ten individuals to write articles for the Review, and these ten people also get to control the content of the publication. All of the minorities and the liberals thought they finally had it made, that Obama would appoint ten left wing editors. Instead, Obama appointed three conservatives, three liberals and four moderates. That year the Law Review was critically acclaimed as the best run and best written Harvard publication in decades.

So when he wins in November, conservatives don't have to freak out. Obama is a centrist and will appoint a balanced cabinet full of active people who will really get things done. Kind of like the way our multi-cultural society is supposed to be.

If Joe the Plumber thinks he can't afford to buy the business under Obama's tax plan then he really needs to consult a good accountant. Obama's plan lowers taxes on the first $250,000 Joe makes. On the money over $250,000, Joe would pay 39% under Obama, instead of the 36% he now pays. That's 3% more taxes, not exactly a break-the-bank if you have already made $250,000 at a low rate. Plus, Obama will give him a tax credit for every job he creates, and tax credits for every employee that he provides health insurance for. Under Obama's plan, Joe's business will pay LESS TAX than it does now.

McCain's plan will tax the first $250,000 at a higher rate, then drop the taxes on anything over $250,000 by an unspecified amount. McCain's plan does not give him a tax credit for every job he creates. If he provides health care for his employees he will now have to deduct yet another tax from their paychecks, adding administrative burden to his company. Not to mention that Joe will have to pay this tax himself on his personal income, which amounts to an extra $4,200 a year he pays in taxes (35% of the $12,000 a typical policy costs). And if his company does not provide health care, he and his employees will pay out of pocket for their health care (average cost $12,000 per year), get a $5,000 tax credit under McCain, but be out of pocket at least $7,000 per year for their policy.

My impression is that Joe really should stick to plumbing and leave tax policy to Obama.

Furthermore, Joe the plumber says that Obama has a "very socialist view of taxes" This statement shows America how very uninformed Joe Wurzelbacher is. I would love to hear Joe define socialism and describe the tax policies of a socialist nation. He would start to sound like Sarah Palin on Katie Couric. Nor does he seem to recognize that all democracies socialize certain functions: police, fire fighting, military, roads, public schools, sewers, water. This is for the greater good and we all accept it. It does not make us socialists.

In his book Audacity of Hope, Obama writes at length about the FAILURE of SOCIALISM. He enthusiastically states that American democracy is the greatest political system on earth. Obama is not a socialist, and he does not admire socialism.

Joe the plumber should stick to plumbing and leave public policy decisions to people who actually know what they are talking about.

Oh, and maybe Joe and his boss should get plumbing licenses. Apparently neither of them is licensed, in violation of both state and county laws.

Obama's view of the future of America - Socialism which is the next step to Communism!!


Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another's wealth but also the desire to see another's wealth lowered to the level of one's own. Socialism's teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini. The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: "Common good comes before private good." Fascism, said
Mussolini, is "a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests??realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies."

Socialism is the social system which institutionalizes envy and self-sacrifice: It is the social system which uses compulsion and the organized violence of the State to expropriate wealth from the producer class for its redistribution to the parasitical class.

Despite the intellectuals' psychotic hatred of capitalism, it is the only moral and just social system.

Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders--that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one's birth or station in life.

Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient. [What about the role of luck­being in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time? R. R. Pope}

Capitalism is the only social system that rewards virtue and punishes vice. This applies to both the business executive and the carpenter, the lawyer and the factory worker.

I don't understand how the Lewin Group and the Tax Policy Center figure that McCain's plan costs anything at all. "Giving" a tax credit simply means not taking someone's money in the first place. On the other hand, "providing" more coverage via Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP as Barack Obama wishes to do will cost something - a lot of something. In fact, the Government Accountability Office projects that Medicare alone, as it currently stands, will be eat up about 10% of our GDP at some point in the next 50 years! Increasing those benefits and expanding coverage to more people is guaranteed to bankrupt this nation.