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  • Posted By: abey @ 10/17/2008 12:31:32 AM

    The truth to this lies underneath. The younger Indian generations basically ( in their hearts) are finding that there is less truth in their local beliefs but still do follow blindly because their parents did so. Indian society
    is a very conservative & only recently has a vast no. been exposed to the world (unlike the Greeks) The planned attacks organized by the pro Hindu parties is due to fear of loosing their base. Fear is the killer.
    Hindu party

  • Posted By: 77.amit.j@gmail.com @ 10/16/2008 10:13:50 PM

    What happened since then is that the Christian missionaries decided to go overboard against the Hindu missionaries. It looks like someone decided to hire the Maoists who then trained local Christians to kill the Swami and start the latest round of violence.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/oct/17orissa.htm

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    On a longer time scale I would trace this current round of religious disagreement to 1999 when the Pope visited India and -

    "boldly proclaimed Jesus Christ as humanity's "only savior" and called upon the church to bring Christianity to Asia during the third millennium."

    to which the VHP responded -

    "We accept the challenge of their spreading Christianity in Asia. They will not be able to do it in India"

    Basically what we have is a battle for supremacy between two religious fundamentalist organizations.

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    The point Sumit's article makes is rather ludicrous. When confronted with such forces no amount of public shaming can work with voters. It did not work with American voters who voted in Republicans and it will not work with Indian voters who are voting in the BJP.

  • Posted By: johndsilva @ 10/16/2008 7:35:30 PM

    I am very much distressed to read about the persecution of christians in my birth country, India. Last year I returned to my native place, Mangalore for a visit. I was impressed by the harmony that was existsted between all cultures and religions. But this September, I heard, hordes of rioters went from churches to churches in a looting & destroying spree. What happened within a matter of few months? Temples and mosques are coming up everywhere in Europe and Americas to cater to the needs of devotees, whereas churches are shutting down. In Atlanta, Hindus have built worlds Largest temple with the blessings of the governments. Here in Quebec, the secular provincial government has imposed ethics and religious curriculum across Quebec schools, including private ones, in order to cultivate tolerence among the citizens. This was prompted just because a small municipality adopted a resolution in jest, to ban hijabs in public places. I urge local, state and central governments in India to take some drastic actions to eradicate intolerance and cultivate harmony among all the people. I thank Mr. Ganguly for exposing the evil of intolerance that is prevelent in the governments of India.
    John D'Silva
    Montreal, Quebec, Canada

  • Posted By: rkan @ 10/15/2008 9:20:21 PM

    I work with a number of NGO's (equal to a non profit in the US) in the area (AP & TN). I believe every citizen has the right to their own religion. And that violence is NOT OK under any circumstances.

    However I do believe that a significant portion of the missionary money is used to force conversions or to "bribe" people to convert. The missionaries have in the past also used misfortunes such as the Tsunami to tell people that they are getting punished for their lack of faith in the bible. Or in some cases told Tsunami victims that they will only get aid if they convert. This kind of behavior creates heartburn and resentment in the local community, and enables VHP and allied outfits to take the law into their hands.

    If you are looking for someone to blame, then please include the evangelicals into your list of culprits.

    • Posted By: SRaj @ 10/16/2008 1:12:43 AM

      Your belief does not necessarily turn out to be facts.

      • Posted By: rkan @ 10/16/2008 6:38:28 PM

        This belief is based on my observations in the field. I work in these areas on a day to day basis.

  • Posted By: vijay_1976 @ 10/16/2008 4:34:55 PM

    Voices from Orissa:
    http://wayfaring.blogspot.com/2008/10/voices-from-orissa.html

  • Posted By: vijay_1976 @ 10/16/2008 4:34:33 PM

    Voices from Orissa:
    http://wayfaring.blogspot.com/2008/10/voices-from-orissa.html

  • Posted By: Rajaswamy @ 10/16/2008 3:30:35 PM

    A Soldier retiree's plans cut short by Orissa's dance of death:
    He served his country and thought he could lead a post-retirement life in the peaceful environs of his hometown Kandhamal. But little did this former Warrant Officer of the Indian Air Force (IAF) envision that he would be witness to his evangelist brother being hacked to death and his house torched in Sulesaru ??? a tiny village 22 km from G Udayagiri block in Orissa's riot-hit Kandhamal district.

    After spending 38 days in a relief camp at Hubback High School in Udayagiri, 52-year-old Bugan Digal walked to 'freedom' on October 2. Today, Digal has taken 'shelter' in his relative's home in Kolkata with his wife and daughter. "It was on August 26 afternoon that the mobs attacked Totamaha village in Raikia block where my brother Akbar Digal was an evangelist. He begged the goons to spare him, but they would have none of it. Two of them raised their swords, brought it down on his head and threw his body in the nearby tamarind field," Digal told TOI over the phone in a choked voice.

    "I was told that locals later burnt my brother's body. He was just 46 years old," Digal said.

    Recalling the sequence of violence on the night of August 25, he said: "About 500 people came to my village, attacked us and burnt houses and places of worship. My wife, daughter and I ran into the nearby jungles and we spent the whole night there. We walked 22 km to reach Udayagiri police station the next night."

  • Posted By: devajal @ 10/16/2008 3:29:03 PM

    Everyone condemns the criminal acts that have been committed and the stata and central governments are taking action. The Indian media has has not been idle and has brought information on the incidents to the attention of the Indian public and the global community. However your article condemns without presenting the facts dispassionately and inviting the readers to form their own conclusions. In this respect your article is more of an anti-Hindu tract than an article worthy of being printed in a magazine like Newsweek. I would also add that I have serious reservations on the kind of India Studies that you undertake

  • Posted By: Rajaswamy @ 10/16/2008 3:17:32 PM

    The Bajrang Dal and VHP terrorists used the death of this swami to murder and burn innocent christians, destroy their churches, schools, orphanages, leprosy homes and nursing homes and drove them to the jungles because of this LIE.

    SHAME ON THEM. They are the ones who are FORCING CONVERSION. They told Christians to CONVERT to Hinduism or die (reconversion)!

    So this proves it - the biggest terrorist are VHP and Bajrang Dal. They are COWARDS who cannot defend India against the REAL problems like defending our borders against Pakistani and Bangladeshi terrorists or even the Maoists who have CONFESSED to killing their swamy. But these Bajrang Dal cowards and terrorsts know that they will get their ass kicked right and left if they do that. So what do they do to show their power? They attacked innocent women by raping them, burning priests to death, destroying properties - COWARDS. That what they are. COWARDS. Shame on you netizens who write supporting Bajrang Dal / VHP's attrocities!!!

  • Posted By: devajal @ 10/16/2008 3:15:35 PM

    No one is proud of what is happening in Orissa today and those who have committed criminal acts should be brought to justice. However you have by the anti-Hindu tone of your article, suceeded in tarring all Hindus with the blame. Talking of Hindu zealots is as reprehensible as referring to Muslim mujahideen. The PM himself used the phrase a "national disgrace" which is more apt than your phraseology. Rather than fan the flames it would be better if you had appealed to the sense of justice and secular ideals that underpin the Indian Republic, by a dispassionate review of the incident and its antecedents. I certainly have reservations as to the kind of India Studies that you undertake.

  • Posted By: Rajaswamy @ 10/16/2008 3:11:12 PM

    KANDAMAL FORCED HINDU RECONVERSION INSTANCES: At the infamous Nuagam relief camp near Baliguda, where a nun was allegedy raped on August 25 and where today there are about 2,000 tribals bunched up around leaky tents and on ground wet from flooding, Johan Naik and four others like him stand out as the most wretched.

    "We are accursed," says Johan, rubbing his gnarled hand on his bald head. A month ago, as rampaging Hindu mobs ran through Kandhmal, looting, burning and pillaging, around 400 men converged at his house in Pirigada, a cluster of Protestant houses in Nuagam block. There, with swords unsheathed and drunk on the righteous rage of bigots, five of them gave Johan a choice. "You either embrace Hinduism or you die," he was told.

    Soon, he was dragged to the nearby Patakhanda temple and made to prostrate before the statue of a 'Godess'. Someone brought a jar of cowdung and cow's urine and forced him to gulp a bit of it. That was his purification rite and "return home" to Hinduism. And before he could actually make sense of what was happening, a young man whipped out a razor, doused his head in water and began tonsuring him.

  • Posted By: Rajaswamy @ 10/16/2008 3:00:02 PM

    Orissa is in the news yet again. Except that unlike in December 2007, the news of Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati???s death is real. Nevertheless, very much like the last time, the VHP has gone berserk again. Political murders and killing of Christians and Dalits (as ???imagined murderers??? and "imagined forced converters") or vandalising churches is unacceptable to any democratic society (as in Karnataka). The violence inflicted has been meticulously planned and executed over two-three days when the Orissa government and its affiliated agencies BJP/VHP/Bajrang Dal!!!
    Poor Kandhamal Christians and Dalits have lost everything, 100+ dead and 50000+ sitting in refugee camps with only FAITH hanging on with them. Does this forced conversions, as these FASCISTS claim???

  • Posted By: 77.amit.j@gmail.com @ 10/16/2008 2:14:49 PM

    So your claim is that is was OK to kill the Hindu Swami because he was leading an anti-conversion movement by working among the poor? By that logic it should be OK to kill Christian missionaries because they are leading conversion movements. That approach would be very secular but a violent mess.

    I am not sure if you have seen this interview of the Maoist leader where he states the Swami was killed due to pressure from Christians and that Christians are the base of his rebel group in Orissa. This interview definitely makes it seem as if the missionaries are going for political power via the gun - a system where their low percentage of adherents would not matter.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/oct/05orissa1.htm

    • Posted By: Rajaswamy @ 10/16/2008 2:51:29 PM

      Your so NAIVE Sir !!! The Maoists don't have religion, do you no that first !!! You should be an ignorant person to take their word for granted !!! Unless a CBI enquiry / Judicial enquiry finds out the truth, you wil never know !!! Do you know similarly Swamijis were killed in Gujarat state, followed by massacre of 2000 Muslims, and that followed by BJP party winning the election. So please wait it goverment enquiry finds the TRUTH!!!

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 10/16/2008 2:26:23 PM

      Yes this goonda saint "worked" among the poor by leading the "stormtroopers" shaving peoples heads, burninfg their homes and reconverting to Hindusim by threatening to rape and kill their family.

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 10/16/2008 2:24:04 PM

      what I am saying is that this guy was no saint and these are tribal areas where Maoists have a stake. It is the common enemy the Nazi party, the Upper catse people abusing the downtrodden. I don't see why there cannot be a link between two oppressed factions especially in such a marginalized area. Who else is helping them? you? Your BJP chief minister?

  • Posted By: Rajaswamy @ 10/16/2008 2:43:57 PM

    Caste system was invented and flourished by Brahmins and Upper Caste Hindus (who form about 15%) for centuries, to the disadvantage of 85% of the Backward / Lower Castes of the Indian population. Even today, lower castes are not allowed into Hindu temples. Of latest a lower caste Hindu was killed in Bihar state for entering a temple and provide offering to the Hindu diety!!! No wonder these FASCISTS upper class Hindus are threatened by the enligthment Christanity is facilitating to the lower castes, and hence their FASCIST agenda (i.e. presently spreading the Conversion rumours, without any proof to support)!!! SHAME ON YOU ALL WHO SUPPORT WHAT IS PRESENTLY HAPPENING IN INDIA (i.e. minorities treated as SECOND CLASS CITIZENS by FASCIST HINDU organizations, who also incidentally adore SWASTIKA symbol). The only good news is that majority of the Hindus are secular and peace loving people!!!
    But then, with general election looming in Y2009, the BJP (Hindu Nationalistic Party), wants to create a ???CONVERSION HYSTERIA???. Luckily the incidents of the past few months have already sent shock waves not only to the Indian Christians, but also to the Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs etc..of India during the last few weeks, resulting in country wide condemnation of this FASCIST behaviour !!! In such a situation, one can only pray that such dangerous designs disturbing the communal harmony of the vibrant secular Indian democracy doesnt win !!!

  • Posted By: TheWordoftheLordlives @ 10/16/2008 2:34:19 PM

    God "so loved the world (of humanity) that He gave His only begotten Son (Jesus Christ) that all who believe in Him should not perish (eternal destruction of the soul) but have everlasting life." Salvation is through Christ alone. God's Word speaks about how the way is broad for those who are headed for destruction, but narrow is the way to eternal life through Jesus Christ. There is Salvation in no other name under heaven whereby men might be saved. True Christians...those who belong to Christ and not Christians in name only are seeking to save the lost and dying in India. They are reaching out to the forgotten Dalits (lowest class) and all in India. Check out the website for Gospel For Asia (www.gfa.org). These are India's own people reaching out to the lost and dying without Christ throughout all of India. "For God, who said, 'Let light shine out of darkness,' made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God" (2 Corinthians 4:6). We are seeing this take place in India and Asia today.

  • Posted By: Rajaswamy @ 10/16/2008 2:31:51 PM

    Hindu Nationalistic Organizations (RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal, Hindu Munnani, Ram Sena etc??? ), all of which are associated with the political party BJP, have a game plan to create Hindu nationalism to win Year 2009 elections (as they won after demolishing the Muslim Babri Masjid in an earlier general election), but this time poor Christians are targeted and BLAMED for forcible conversions without any proof (i.e.basically creating a conversion hysteria with Hindu nationalistic tone). This show the opposition party BJP does not seem to have ???any democratic political issues??? to fight the ruling party inorder to win the elections once again??? Very sad to note that minorties are made scape goat in the process.

  • Posted By: Omnius @ 10/16/2008 10:23:29 AM

    Maybe it's about time that christians learn to stop sticking their noses into other people's religions. It's about time for them to stop trying to pervert people to their perverted religion! It's Karma Baby as the Hindu's do unto christians what the christians have done to every other religion over the past 1,500 years. Being a nontheist I cringe thinking how many people on this planet are so dumbed down by religions of all flavors.

    What a wonderful planet this could be if people got intelligent and outgrew their infantile obsession over their imaginary friend, god. So many wars, so many people killed needlessly over history because of religion and which god is the best god of war. We're heading into another Dark Ages unless people around the world throw off the shackles of religion and head to the light of reason, logic and science!

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 10/16/2008 2:20:52 PM

      ofcourse a newsweek subscriber!!

  • Posted By: singh_is_king @ 10/16/2008 1:26:51 PM

    It's funny how there is such an outrage over this so called persecution of Christians by the Western world. But from 1984 - 1993 Sikhs were persecuted in India even moreso. The media said nothing then.

    So 30 Christians? What about the tens of thousands over that time period? First we massacred in the streets (oragnised by the ruling Government by the way) and then the police started coming after our youth and labeling us terrorists and killing us in fake "encounters". Look up the history of Sikh persecution in India, we are a minority as well. Barely above 2% of the population and we gave so much to the country and sacrificed for its freedom. This is how we were rewarded. What happened to us was nothing short of genocide. A few websites for more information:

    http://www.sikhgenocide.org/
    http://www.neverforget84.com/
    http://witness84.com/

    Christian missionaries are also targetting Punjab, in fact they have strategies on how to convert as many Sikhs as they can!

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 10/16/2008 2:09:57 PM

      since you started on Sikh persecution let me tell you. Don't compare missionary preaching to full fledged terrorism Sikhs were involved in that time form Hijacking and exploding the airliner from Canada to killing Indian PM and holding miltia in a place of worship. I am just trying to make you look at somethings that you forgot to mention. India put a lot of money into the land of Punjab and once you saw abundance through your rich state and money from Canada etc, Sikhs wanted their own country. Very funny.

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 10/16/2008 2:04:47 PM

      if you know how it is to be persecuted and you still sympathize with those persecutors, hmm that tells something about you, right? Hmm I know some kind of jealousy and hate you feel toward westerners transferred to all christians. I think it is a great thing that we have almost 30 percent Muslims in India.

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 10/16/2008 1:43:39 PM

      Now what? you will egt soem friends with teh Nazis?

  • Posted By: 77.amit.j@gmail.com @ 10/16/2008 1:09:08 PM

    Since you equate Hindus with Nazis, aren't you forgetting that the Nazis were German Christians? And that the Pope Benedict XVI was a Hitler Youth member?

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 10/16/2008 1:54:58 PM

      Nazi's theories were never christian. Even if they were born white christians, they were what they were Nazis. As you know, all Hindus are not nazis. There are plenty of Hindus in forums I come across as very critical of the Hindutwa mvt. Do you get my point.
      Secondly, google on savitri devi , the nazi priestess. You will see how Aryanism and hinduism is intermingeld. Only that Indian nazis were ashamed when Germans called them a mongrel race.
      Missionaries cannot have a political agenda (other than something spread throgh Hindu Nazi prpaganda machine), since again the Christian population is only 2.4 percent.
      and violent means? you must be out of your mind. Even the maoists themselves claimed that they killed the Goonda swami. But you know, when pushed to the edge any meek animal will bite you back. For the last 20 years this Rowdi Swami was leading an ani-conversion mission.. not really by helping people. But by threatening and abusing the recently converted making them shav etheir heads and forcefully reconvert. This is exactly why he got what he was sowing. Nazis always get that , don't they?

  • Posted By: empyrius @ 10/16/2008 3:29:25 AM

    Why are Christians in India anyway . . .; oooo, that is right, the Jewel of the Crown eh. That darn white man's burden is sure an onerous load eh.

    • Posted By: RandyHiggins @ 10/16/2008 1:47:35 PM

      St. Thomas was in India when the British Isles were part of the Roman Empire and the people thought bulls and mountains were holy, just like Hindus. Exactly how he got there is a bit of a mystery, but there have been Christians in India for a very long time.

    • Posted By: yanfu39 @ 10/16/2008 5:36:59 AM

      actually a lot of evangelism is done by ethnic Indians. I would say that if we, as a free society, truly believe in free speech, then we all need to get off our high horse and stop creating the perception that it's ok to speak freely in one place but not another.

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