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  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 10/16/2008 12:43:53 PM

    finally! The liberal Al Jazeera had to print somethin on this, after all the other News services published the news!. Even NYT!. One time I made one of their reporters crying about couple of homosexuals in Iraq, because there more persecution on Christians on all parts of the world including Iraq. As always wetsern world keeps their eye shut towards Christian minority countries. But anyway let me tell you something about these outfits which leads attacks on Inidan minoroties, including Muslims.
    The "Hindutwa " principle (pan_Indianism) was born into the mind of some nationlists jailed at the time of Independence struggle. Ofcourse their party father got inspiration from Nazi ideoplogy of Aryan supremacy and Hindu resurgence. Ther first leaders tried to visit Mussolini in Italy. This is the same group of Hindu Nationalist became successful in the assassination of that Great Hindu Mohan Das Gandhi. These Hindu Nationlistic outfits (RSS) were banned after this assassination of the Nation's father. Of course Nazism made its resurgence again in the last 25 years or something slowly. Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is the Political wing of these Nazis. RSS is the basic ultra Hindutwa nazi group which trains their followers in Hindu temples wearing saffron clothese and kaki shorts. Bajrangdal is a recent incarnation of the storm troopers. They store their weapons in temples and bring it out in matter of minutes when the "war" is proclaimed. This is what happened in Gujarat where more than 2000 Muslims were massacared. Women raped and people burnt live. Before that these Nazis' demolished a Mosque built by First Mogul King Babur in 1500, claiming that this sits on the birthplace of their mythical godking Rama. The same group of people now claim that Indian govt cannot work on a sea channel south of India because it will disrupt a mythical bridge built by Rama a million years ago!! Just like Nazis they create issues so they can get their people together.
    Mostly the attacks against minorities happen in States controlled by their political paty BJP. Gujarat chief minister is called Indian Hitler because he was supportive of killing of 2000 Mulsims in his state. talk about democracy. His own Hindus voted him in again for a second term. His state is rich from all the money coming from all the motel industry coming from the "Patels". After the attack on Dalit (low caste) Christians in Orissa, a southern Indian state showed the signs of unrest. when mobs attacked catholic schools and missionaries. This state is ruled by a fringe majority BJP. (That was the first time BJP came into poer in southern states which are advanced in education generally)
    Americans should know their foes and friends. Do not entertain these Nazis. You should know what they are doing to minorities of these lands. Please stop the money flow to these Hindu Terrorist organizations just like they did with Islamic terrorists. it is easier in the beginning.

  • Posted By: Truth007 @ 10/16/2008 12:26:01 PM

    Before saying something he (Pope)should go to the root of the problem and not make a statement which suits him.Which religion did the tribals belong to?None.So why the hell has anybody the right to convert them?Nobody.They would have been living a peaceful life on their own till came the idiots who wanted to bring them into the MAINSTREAM.No polution,no greed no jazzy clothes and other outfits to show off nothing of the razzmatazz which is known as "progress"..Please leave them aloof a request i make to all religionists and politicians and industriywallahs.

  • Posted By: TheWordoftheLordlives @ 10/16/2008 11:50:04 AM

    It is a known fact that when Christians are killed and persecuted, that the Gospel message of Salvation in Jesus Christ spreads. The Word of God cannot be stopped by any group of people. God says, "My Word will go forth and will not return to Me void." The Word of God promises all Christians everywhere that if you seek to "live a godly life in Christ Jesus, you SHALL suffer persecution." If "Christ suffered for us, we too shall suffer persecution." The Word of God lives on in spite of man's attempts to stop the truth. Jesus said, "I (alone) AM the Way, I (alone) AM the Truth and I (alone) AM the Life." Salvation is in no other name but His. The book of Acts 4:12 says, "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." This applies to India, the US and another other nation on the face of the earth. One day all wrongs will be made right. Christians will continue to suffer persecution, but the Word of the Lord lives on.

  • Posted By: equipindia @ 10/16/2008 11:31:51 AM

    I have not come across a single incident of someone paying somebody to convert to Christianity. I have been to several villages in deep inside many of the states. When people come across Christianity and the difference it makes compared on other religions, the tolerence, the peace and faith, they ponder on what they have been believing all the past days. They decide and leave. Also, unfortunately we still keep the cast and untouchability in our socieity. When a low cast Hindu man converts to Christianity, he is no more a low cast for below brothern in christianity so people are looking for ways to uplift themselves for their family for future. While the uppercast system is still want to push and treat them as untouchables. So this class divisiono takes its toll for someone to decide the change. Now I have several upper class non christians who became christians simply as they watched the Christian believes and faith and dealing. I am not saying all the christians are perfect. So, please leave aside the word "paying to convert" - nobody is doing that. Love thy neighbour as He loved.

  • Posted By: Indian descendent @ 10/16/2008 11:04:11 AM

    May be its time India should stop calling it a "so called" secular state and self proclaimed " largest democracy" I mean the world has witnessed the biggest massacre against a religious minority in Hyderabad in early 2000, Where people were burnt alive... their houses and businesses were burnt, women wombs were cut and fetuses were burnt to eliminate that minority... is that what we call secular democratic state?? Their state minister was found guilty of being involved in that massacre and was turned down a visa for US visit on humanitarian ground... BUT he got reelected in the following election.... I just caught the story about Hyderabad few days ago, where these riots just started again recently. And now this massacre against Christians!!!!! I mean stop fooling the world.

  • Posted By: Indian descendent @ 10/16/2008 11:02:35 AM

    May be its time India should stop calling it a "so called" secular state and self proclaimed " largest democracy" I mean the world has witnessed the biggest massacre against a religious minority in Hyderabad in early 2000, Where people were burnt alive... their houses and businesses were burnt, women wombs were cut and fetuses were burnt to eliminate that minority... is that what we call secular democratic state?? Their state minister was found guilty of being involved in that massacre and was turned down a visa for US visit on humanitarian ground... BUT he got reelected in the following election.... I just caught the story about Hyderabad few days ago, where these riots just started again recently. And now this massacre against Christians!!!!! I mean quit calling yourself a secular democratic state and stop fooling the world.

  • Posted By: eagle575 @ 10/16/2008 9:42:21 AM

    hmmm given newsweeks intolerance of Christians - and unbridled support of islamoterrorists - i can only imagine the thrill on your editorial staff.

  • Posted By: mdshams00 @ 10/16/2008 9:35:07 AM

    Bharat mata is crying for her chidren!! Also the the children of Mother india becoming a little rascal undder the
    patronisation of uncle and now the chidren are fighting with cousines!!

  • Posted By: medicjon @ 10/16/2008 8:29:53 AM

    Here is an excerpt of a first hand account from India. The entire text is too long for this comment space. You can read more about it at http://www.goodnewsindia.org/ and clicking on the "Urgent Prayer Request link.

    ...We have never seen anything like this. We knew that Orissa was the most resistant and hostile State in India as far as the Gospel is concerned. And we brushed off the continuous threats and harassment we faced as we went about His work. But
    none of our staff imagined that they would see this kind of carnage....And it seems to be totally under the radar of the Western Media ....Let me explain.... A militant Hindu priest and 4 of his attendants, who were zealously going around the villages of Orissa and "reconverting" people bac k to Hinduism, were gunned down by unknown assailants in Central Orissa last weekend. Immediately the Christians were blamed. The cry rose up..."Kill the Christians!" And the horror began.... In the past 4 days, we have first hand witness to hundreds of churches being blown up or burned and many, many...

  • Posted By: medicjon @ 10/16/2008 8:25:54 AM

    Here is part of a first hand account from Christians in India. The entire text is too long but you can read it at http://www.goodnewsindia.org/. Click on the "Urgent Prayer Request" link to read the whole account.

    ...We have never seen anything like this. We knew that Orissa was the most resistant and hostile State in India as far as the Gospel is concerned. And we brushed off the continuous threats and harassment we faced as we went about His work. But
    none of our staff imagined that they would see this kind of carnage....And it seems to be totally under the radar of the Western Media ....Let me explain.... A militant Hindu priest and 4 of his attendants, who were zealously going around the villages of Orissa and "reconverting" people bac k to Hinduism, were gunned down by unknown assailants in Central Orissa last weekend. Immediately the Christians were blamed. The cry rose up..."Kill the Christians!" And the horror began.... In the past 4 days, we have first hand witness to hundreds of churches being blown up or burned and many, many...

  • Posted By: 92253549 @ 10/16/2008 3:10:01 AM

    Part-5:

    Christians throughout the ages have strived on the concept of persecution and as a brought up Catholic, I remember feeling bad about all those martyred saints of Christianity . Christians in India like to say that they are only two per cent and can do no harm. But it is a sham: in the Tamil Nadu coastal belt from Chennai to Kanyakumari, there must be now 10 per cent Christians posttsunami and the same may be true in other parts of south India.
    My heart goes out to Karnataka Chief Minister BS Yeddyurappa who took a courageous stand against unethical Christian conversions, but is now under pressure from the Centre.
    The BJP, having learnt from bitter experience that the Congress has no qualm in invoking President???s rule under fallacious pretexts in states which are ruled by non-Congress governments is in a quandary: it must show some action against militant Hindu groups while remaining true to itself.
    This is why Yeddyurappa took some action against Hindu groups while saying that his government will not tolerate forcible conversions and will take stringent action against missionaries involved in conversions.
    And ultimately, the blame must fall on Hindus: they are 800 million in India, the overwhelming majority; they have the brains, they have the money and they have the power. But either their intellectual and political class sides with the minorities, out of fear, inferiority complex imbedded by the British or just sheer crass political opportunism, or the bigger mass is indifferent inert, selfish, un-civic conscious. Every Hindu is the inheritor of the only surviving spiritual knowledge which at the moment is under a concerted attack by Christian missionaries, Americanisation, Marxism and Islamic fundamentalism.


    • Posted By: Ron Paul For Pope @ 10/16/2008 8:18:17 AM

      9225349 -

      Well said. God bless you. Peace to the Christians, and the Muslims. But peace also to the Hindus, whom every other religion treats like dirt.

      And agnstheflow -- you could not have paid him (or her) a higher compliment.

    • Posted By: agnstheflow @ 10/16/2008 4:53:20 AM

      Spoken from a true Hindu's perspective.

  • Posted By: Guest173 @ 10/16/2008 7:59:30 AM

    There is a great christian missionary outreach ministry Gospel for Asia that sends native born Indians to evangelize in India (their own people). I highly recommend any christian who would like to help support these many low caste neglected people with Bible tools, please look into Gospel for Asia, they give free books and information to learn how to help Indian Christians in evangelizing and helping the poor in India. www.gfa.org

  • Posted By: ASH1KHAN @ 10/16/2008 6:38:56 AM

    And the US Government just signed a "Nuclear" Deal with India. Guess what is going to happen when these Hindu Extremists get their hands on nuclear weapons?

    When is the world going to wake up? We have Multi-National corporations investing hundred's of billions of Dollars into India (which is a Hindu Majority) which in reality and if history is any guide is an intolerant religion. Where the status of a person is dicated by the Color of their skin. The lighter the color of your skin, the higher up an individual is considered.

    Wake up people!

  • Posted By: gopen @ 10/15/2008 6:41:44 PM

    Neglect of Christian Minority? What did you have for breakfast today?
    Its the coddling of Christian and Muslim minority, the country is in this shape today.
    The root cause of this problem is Massive conversion exercise triggered by huge inflow of money.
    If their real motive is service to poor people, why not go to Christian majority poor countries in Africa, East Europe and other places? Why target China and India.
    Wake up and smell the coffee.

    • Posted By: agnstheflow @ 10/16/2008 5:29:13 AM

      "If their real motive is service to poor people, why not go to Christian majority poor countries in Africa, East Europe and other places? Why target China and India."

      Because no matter how rich or poor you are, nothing compairs to the importance of knowing where you will spend eternity when you die. The Chinese and Indian Christians today know the truth and die for it.

    • Posted By: vijay_1976 @ 10/15/2008 11:10:12 PM

      Froced conversion is generally understood as an offer of conversion with negative consequences if the person does not convert. If he or she does indeed convert under those circumstances, it is possible for the Hindu majority leadership in India to bring these instances to light in a careful and legal manner. To date, except for clamour I'm yet to see any evidence of such conversion.

      Christianity defines a Christian as one who is converted, not one who is Christian by birth. By that logic, each real Christian has made a conscious choice to believe in Christ. As such for Christianity to be practised in any country, conversion is not simply another option, it is a necessity. Tou may or may not disagree with this.

      To resort to violence to combat this exposes the darker mindset of the leadership in India. One could understand when the uneducated and the rebellios turn to violence- and it becomes a law and order problem. The tragedy of India is that its leaders do NOTHING AT ALL to stem the violence. In fact the legislative assembly raised far less questions about the thousand of Christians being hounded out of their homes while angry questions were raised as to the safety of Hindus.

      Another tragedy is that educated young Hindus who should have been confident and civil to win back people to Hinduism by logic, service and an understanding of their Scriptures now use the cheap language of the mobs to justify these killing.

      Severl years ago, Hannah Arendt wrote about Hitler's Germany that the killing devices and the gas chambers were not invented in some scientific labby some government scientists, but by ordinary men and women who worked on ordinary jobs. Being blind to their own dark deeds, they were convinced that they were doing the right thing. Who can deny that is what is happening among Indians today?

  • Posted By: agnstheflow @ 10/16/2008 5:20:50 AM

    I am amazed MSN did this article....usually Christian persecution is hidden in the secular media. I am impressed. Of course anything to make religion as a whole look bad might be the real motive.

    http://www.persecution.com

    I expected to see all Hindu's here commenting though.
    http://www.gotquestions.org/Hindu-Christian.html

    I have a friend there doing charity work and we pray for her safety everyday.



  • Posted By: empyrius @ 10/16/2008 3:27:31 AM

    Why are there Christians in India anyway . . .: oooo, that is right, the Jewel of the Crown. The good old white man's burden is surely an onerous load eh . . .

  • Posted By: 92253549 @ 10/16/2008 3:09:20 AM

    Part-4:
    Neither the Indian press nor the western correspondents bothered to write about what made Hindus angry in Karnataka: Newlife, one important westernfunded missionary centre ( http://www.newlifevoice.org), began making conversions in and around Mangalore by accosting poor people in market areas, or in bus stands, befriending them and then taking them to churches to introduce them to the father.
    Upon introduction they were paid Rs 2,500 per person and then taken to the Velankanni shrine, in Tamil Nadu, where they would get another Rs. 3,000. When they finally converted to Christianity by changing the name, they got an incentive of Rs 10,000 onwards.
    Newlife would then give them instructions to abandon wearing tilak on forehead, not to visit and offer prayers at the Hindu temples, replacing the photos and idols of Hindu gods and goddesses with a Cross, etc.
    But what really angered local Hindus was when Newlife went one step further and published a book in Kannada ??? Satya Darshini ??? which was widely distributed by its missionaries. Here below is the translation of some of the most abusive passages: ???Urvashi ??? the daughter of Lord Vishnu ??? is a prostitute. Vashistha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48). When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers (page 50). It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita.
    ???Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39). When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others? The projection of them as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39). God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods. (Page 39).??? When blasphemy and much worse is brought against the most sacred Hindu Gods, Hindus are supposed to take it meekly as sheep and let themselves be converted to a foreign religion! There are more than 4,000 foreign Christian missionaries involved in conversion activities across different states. In Tripura, there were no Christians at the time of independence. There are 1,20,000 today, a 90 per cent increase since 1991. The figures are even more striking in Arunachal Pradesh, where there were only 1,710 Christians in 1961, but 1.2 million today, as well as 780 churches! In Andhra Pradesh, churches are coming up every day in far-flung villages and there was even an attempt to set up one near Tirupati.

  • Posted By: 92253549 @ 10/16/2008 3:08:17 AM

    Part-3:

    I am also aghast at the one-sided coverage by the Indian media of the Christian-Hindu problem: blasts after blasts have killed hundreds of innocent Hindus in Varanasi, Delhi, Mumbai train blasts, Jaipur, etc. Yet, neither Manmohan Singh nor Sonia Gandhi have pronounced once the word ???Islamic terrorism.??? But when furious Hindus, tired of being made fun of, of witnessing their brothers and sisters converted by finan cials traps, of seeing a 84-year-old swami and his Mataji brutally murdered, of reading blasphemy about their Gods, vent their anger against churches, many of them makeshifts, the Indian government goes after the soft target which the Hindus are. The same thing applies to the United States: they never warned Muslim organisations in India about the killing of Hindus, but when dollars are used to buy new converts and it angers the majority community of India, Washington has the arrogance to issue a warning, and Manmohan Singh does not have the pride to tell the US to mind its own business.

  • Posted By: 92253549 @ 10/16/2008 3:07:48 AM

    Part-2:

    Then of course, I came to India and discovered that actually Hindus, far from being the heathens, as had been portrayed in Europe, not only believed God???s diversity, the wonderful concept of avatar, but had given refuge to all persecuted minorities of the world, whether the Syrian Christians, the Parsis, the Jews (India is the only country in the world where Jews were not persecuted), the Armenians, or today the Tibetans.

  • Posted By: samkhan @ 10/16/2008 3:04:16 AM

    and i find it shocking that newsweek constantly BLOCKS users who complain about its partial views and biased writing from posting comments. I am sure you will block this user id too now.

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