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  • Posted By: samkhan @ 10/16/2008 3:02:06 AM

    Well it is interesting to note that the author has finally decided to see faults in India as well. Most of his time is spent in biased Pakistan bashing. Even now he adopts a very diplomatic tone and refrains from suggesting that the local government is itself biased and WANTS these mad extremists to kill the innocent christian population.
    All in all he is making efforts to "look balanced" as far as international newsworthy stories are concerned but he still has a long way to go.

  • Posted By: samkhan @ 10/16/2008 3:01:50 AM

    Well it is interesting to note that the author has finally decided to see faults in India as well. Most of his time is spent in biased Pakistan bashing. Even now he adopts a very diplomatic tone and refrains from suggesting that the local government is itself biased and WANTS these mad extremists to kill the innocent christian population.
    All in all he is making efforts to "look balanced" as far as international newsworthy stories are concerned but he still has a long way to go.

  • Posted By: 92253549 @ 10/16/2008 2:53:56 AM

    Part-1:

    I WAS born in a Catholic family . My uncle was a priest, a wonderful man of warmth and compassion and I spent most my early years in Catholic boarding schools. When I was young I wanted to become a missionary and to ???convert??? pagans in Asia. What I was taught by priests was that Hindus worship false gods and they needed to be brought back to the True Word by Jesus Christ.


  • Posted By: 92253549 @ 10/16/2008 2:48:40 AM

    Other Side of the coin!

  • Posted By: rizzo318 @ 10/16/2008 2:44:07 AM

    Which country wishes to earn a reputation for not only being intolerant of minority religious beliefs, but displaying a blatant lack of concern for its tax-paying citizens? Furthermore, which Western country would want to invest and bring its money and minority citizens into a country that doesn't care for its own?

  • Posted By: johnrupert @ 10/16/2008 2:43:42 AM

    Why are we constantly looking for reasons, and a rational for the radicalization of Muslims? Perhaps they are inherently bad and evil people.

  • Posted By: SawBothWorlds @ 10/16/2008 2:42:36 AM

    There is growing resentment against conversions, mostly by christian missionaries. I have seen this first hand as a student in missionary schools and having lived in a hot spot for conversions during my childhood. In one instance a class teacher mocked hindu Gods and beliefs without mincing any words. This would NOT have happened anywhere in the US without raising a furore. Unfortunately, the concepts of keeping religion separate from educational and academic institutions is not people are very aware of and pay attention to, especially so in the remote tribal areas that the missionaries target.
    Using a front of good education or health facilities to work on an agenda is what seems to make some people lose their nerve.
    Another thing is, poor people are lured to convert by missionaries. The cultural artifacts and religious symbols handed over to the tribal familes over generations are shown scant respect and are destroed. I am sure a significant portion of the crowd participating in this discussion would pay thousands of dollars to have such items to show off in your front halls. What the missionaries are doing here is to reinforce the idea that these poor tribals are leading a worthless life and are further hurting their already low esteems due to multiple reasons.
    The neo-convert priests and evangelicals are the worst perpetrators in the latter case. Many of them convert not necessarily out of conviction but out of greed. They get hands on larger funds if they prove to be more succesful convertors and so, they do not hesitate to use any means good, bad or wile to achieve the numbers. Those who manage them are only too happy to turn a blind eye because they are only too happy to see the numbers, no matter what. This competitive number game, with scant respect to the actual welfare of the poor tribals is what is casting larger and larger clouds of doubt on the evangelical missionaries and is sometimes spilling over as violence. They are not without blame.

  • Posted By: rahuljain7@indiatimes.com @ 10/16/2008 2:23:29 AM

    This is a perfect example of making "mountain out of a mole." Nothing could be more idiotic then to say that some incidences, which actually are between SC and ST communities in India will impede its growth. If that would have been true, China would be Rawanda.

  • Posted By: radiantenergies @ 10/16/2008 2:17:52 AM

    The Christian faith is based on Jesus who preached Advaita Hinduism, thought not as explicit as Shankara, circa 800AD, nor many thousands of others in India today. Place God first and God is within and Rebirth for Heaven Within. This universal oneness or Divine Principal goes against the interpretations being accepted by so many churches in the US and abroad, which preach salvation after death and is only based on faith.
    I can see where Christians invite being attacked by their Jesus is Lord approach. I do not condone any violence but India is not a country in need of conversion from ignorant interpretation either.

  • Posted By: mgk12 @ 10/16/2008 2:05:02 AM

    Its interesting that some readers say that there is no conversion by Christian missionaries. As a child at school in Ooty, India, I have seen Toda tribals being courted by missionaries, given money, clothes, housing over a period of years, and converted to Christianity. Tribals in Nagaland - same story. I recall in the 1970's when Arunachal Pradesh become a Union Territory, Christian missionaries were barred from entering the tribal areas to protect their culture, their beliefs and their heritage. Working with NGO's in Tamil Nadu, I have seen and heard from people affected by the tsunami who were coerced into conversion. Who is the target audience of these missionaries? usually the poor, the uneducated, the populaiton of India who will convert for the promise of some food and clothes and some money.
    Christainity and islam are religions that go out and spread the word and convert people. Hinduism, buddhism, jainism are religions that tolerate other religions and by the very nature of the religions, live and let live.
    As an international student in the USA, one of the most frequent "visitors" I had at my dorm room door were friendly visitors from local churches, bible in hand, offering to "save" me.
    Why is it that one cannot be left alone to follow whatever one believes in, without missionaries imposing their beliefs?
    Its important to respect another persons beliefs and lives. As a Christian or Muslim missionary, would you like it if someone knocked on your door and sat down to convince you that you were doomed to burn if you didnt convert to my religion?
    Consider the other persons right to be what they are and don't go imposing your beliefs on others. If you insist on doing so, don't rise up in arms when you are met with resistance.
    That being said, it doesnt condone the violence of any religious group against another. If people would only RESPECT each other, all of these incidents and hate and negative feelings would not arise.

  • Posted By: suzisavage @ 10/16/2008 12:44:42 AM

    Well cjsrinivas why would parents send a child to a Catholic school if they didn't want the child to be exposed to Christianity? I went to a Catholic school in the US and was required to attend mass and participate in confession and penitentiary prayers. You were not being singled out to be tormented there, that is what Catholic school is like. If you went to Muslim school what would you expect? I do not understand your offense.
    In any case, I'm hearing it is much worse in India than this article states, churches burned along with parishioners, daughters abused in front of parents then killed, horrific violations of human rights and yes we need to protest to our government and corporations such as Adobe and Earthlink that make use of companies in India for customer service. Please this must be stopped now.

    • Posted By: 77.amit.j@gmail.com @ 10/16/2008 1:55:12 AM

      @suzisavage: Religion does not play much of a role in deciding what school a child attends in India. As such Catholic-run schools or convents as they are called locally are popular because at one time had a near monopoly on English language education in India. But because they accept state grants, they are supposed to be secular and desist from religious indoctination. And because religion is an after-thought for most parents and children, it is a big deal if a convent school tries proselytizing activities.

    • Posted By: cjsrinivas @ 10/16/2008 12:56:16 AM

      We can disagree on our views and still be polite about it, I ask you to travel to India and seek the truth.

  • Posted By: cjsrinivas @ 10/16/2008 12:25:32 AM

    First, it is wrong to attack anyone based on their sexual preferences, religion, or for that matter any other personal preferences. I am NOT trying to support what is going on in India.

    But if you really want to know why these incidents are occurring in India, here is an example,
    I am a Hindu and went to a catholic school. One day, in 6th grade, a priest came and gave us all copies of the New Testament. You have to understand, that over 80% of Indians are Hindus, 13% are Muslims and 2% are Christians. We were 11 years old and we were made to pray and were told how the Lord would save us. I was for many years forced to pray, "Our Father who art in heaven...".To this day I respect every religion, however, what Christian missionaries (thankfully not all of them) did and continue to do in India is terrible. They target the poor, the hungry and the weak and convert them to Christians. This creates tensions in a country where religion and language can create a storm.

    Now let me ask all of you who think what is going on in India is wrong, what would you do if I went and distributed the holy book of a religion you do not follow to your kids when they were in school? What would you do if your kids were forced to sing a different religion's prayer? How long would you tolerate it?

    This is a very small example of how Christian missionaries have ruined their respect and position in the Indian society. Their aggressive tactics and not the intolerance of the Indian people is the reason why we are faced with this situation. As respectable members of this society, I ask you to demand the truth and know it before you go too far on this topic..

    Let's hope and pray that common sense and mutual respect prevents this from getting any worse.

    God bless you !

    • Posted By: SRaj @ 10/16/2008 12:50:29 AM

      CJSrinivas,

      Either you do not know the truth, or pretend to not know it. Read the article with open eyes! It says that the Hindu priest was kiiled by a local terrorist group and NOT by Chirstian missionaries. You seem to stand by these fanatics to prove your point and at the same time ask for mutual respect, when you yourself do not portray respect for the Christian minorities. You think that hindu holy books are not distributed to anywhere in the world, and assume that hindus are killed for that reason if they did so. Has that happened in America? What are you trying to say here? You are one confused hindu fanatic, pretend to practice tolerance. My prayer is that first of all, you apply common sense and mutual respect to your own thoughts and words.

      I know one thing for sure. It is an absolute fact that you and me have victory in His blood that He shed on the cross for you and for me. The cross is empty and you are still looking for Him on it. The grace where He was placed and where you and other fanatics attempt to stand and dance is empty too. He is risen! The price has already been paid fully! None of your fanatical actions will have any chance of succeeding before Him!

      May His grace be showered on you!

      • Posted By: cjsrinivas @ 10/16/2008 1:54:57 AM

        SRaj, you obviously choose not to read the first sentence of my post.

        Now let???s get to the crux of the issue, do Christian missionaries use aggressive tactics to convert Hindus to Christianity? A Yes or No would suffice; I am not interested in the rest of your pointless rambling.

        Now, for me being a Hindu fanatic, asking tough questions doesnt make me a fanatic of one kind or the other. As any other sensible person, it pains me that misguided people were involved in the cold blooded murder of an innocent person (who also happened to be Christian priest) in Orissa and many other acts of senseless violence that seem to occur from time to time in my country. I am however warmed by the fact that the criminals in the Orissa case were caught and prosecuted as criminals should be.

        You are a classic case of the kettle calling the pot black, religious tolerance is about believing that we are for common good though our choice of faith maybe be different, your words seem hardly promising, it truly displays your inability to accommodate that we should discuss the various aspects of these very troubling and dangerous incidents in India. That does not mean that I am a fanatic or that I support these senseless acts of violence.

        The irony of common sense is its not very common, try it sometime, it helps, I know it by experience.

    • Posted By: SRaj @ 10/16/2008 12:49:36 AM

      CJSrinivas,

      Either you do not know the truth, or pretend to not know it. Read the article with open eyes! It says that the Hindu priest was kiiled by a local terrorist group and NOT by Chirstian missionaries. You seem to stand by these fanatics to prove your point and at the same time ask for mutual respect, when you yourself do not portray respect for the Christian minorities. You think that hindu holy books are not distributed to anywhere in the world, and assume that hindus are killed for that reason if they did so. Has that happened in America? What are you trying to say here? You are one confused hindu fanatic, pretend to practice tolerance. My prayer is that first of all, you apply common sense and mutual respect to your own thoughts and words.

      I know one thing for sure. It is an absolute fact that you and me have victory in His blood that He shed on the cross for you and for me. The cross is empty and you are still looking for Him on it. The grace where He was placed and where you and other fanatics attempt to stand and dance is empty too. He is risen! The price has already been paid fully! None of your fanatical actions will have any chance of succeeding before Him!

      May His grace be showered on you!

  • Posted By: 77.amit.j@gmail.com @ 10/15/2008 10:20:42 PM

    Contrary to the headline, India's rise will be threatened by turning a blind eye to the aggressive political activities of Christian missionaries in the country.

    In the early 1900s the state of Nagaland was run over by American missionaries. Soon it became Christian majority and promptly decided to attempt seccession from India. Many Indian lives were lost putting down this rebellion.

    Now in Orissa and Nepal we see signs of the same script. The leader of the Maoist guerillas in Orissa who killed the Swami has gone on record stating that the majority of his cadres are Christians.

    Finally we have curiousities like Kenneth Haywood, the American citizen who was suspected in the Mumbai bombings, but turned out to be a missionary pretending to be a businessman.

    There are too many coincidences here for my liking and as an Indian I am unwilling to take the chance that my children or grandchildren have to spill blood to clean this mess up. If the price for this assurance is a vote for the Bajrang Dal, so be it.

    • Posted By: SRaj @ 10/16/2008 1:03:46 AM

      What is your point? You mean, you are ok with the west having an ethinical cleansing of all hindus living there? YOu agree that the coincidences you mentioned are for your liking. You can claim all that but sheer non-sense.

      You guys do not have any guts attacking an other faith than Christians in India. Do you? What would happen if you did 1/100th of what you have done to the Christians there to Indian muslims You would not just have seen part of India on fire, but the entire middle-east mobbing against you? Just because of the fact the Indian Christians are tolerant does not mean you can continue this non-sense. You will answer on the day of judgement!

      • Posted By: 77.amit.j@gmail.com @ 10/16/2008 1:32:01 AM

        My point is simple - the trouble is caused by missionaries having political motivation. When Sabyasachi Panda the Maoist leader states that he killed the Swami on the orders of Christians and that Christians form the majority of Maoists in Orissa, it becomes obvious that this is a repeat of what transpired in Nagaland.

        Day of judgement eh - in which universe and what aeon? How do you propose to stop me from reincarnating as a jihadi in my next life?

  • Posted By: suzisavage @ 10/16/2008 12:38:27 AM

    Well may I ask why your parents sent you to a Catholic school if they didn't want to expose you to Christianity?

    • Posted By: cjsrinivas @ 10/16/2008 1:23:25 AM

      Your post is a classic; you both ask a valid question and display your ignorance.

      Let me respond to your question first, back in the 70s and the 80s, there were very few good schools that taught in English. Of the ones that were there, quite a few of them were run by Christian missionaries. Indians even today attend these very schools because they provide good quality education.

      Now to your ignorance, parents send their kids to good schools, because these schools educate the kids and teach them good values, they don???t send their kids to these schools so that they can be indoctrinated in certain religious faith.

      We come from a country that during those years had fewer options than you were exposed to growing up. I owe my command of the English language to the very school I attended, St. Bede???s Anglo Indian School and to the great teachers who taught me the language and the Wren and Martin grammar textbook we used in those days.

      I owe my parents a lot, especially for my ability to respect every human irrespective of their views on sex, religion, or abortion.

      I suggest you follow your faith, but don???t view the world through your biased eyes. Step outside your backyard, take a deep breath and respect the beauty of diversity no matter how it presents itself.

      Ignorance and intolerance not religion has killed more humans in this world.

  • Posted By: goodhabits @ 10/16/2008 1:15:33 AM

    You've been drinking the kool-aid.

  • Posted By: goodhabits @ 10/16/2008 1:12:31 AM

    The article points out that it is the country's failure to secularize that is the reason that religious violence is on the rise. All religions, including those based on "the good book", and those 4000 years old, are based on fear and superstition. Try making a decision for yourself instead of looking to an institution for the answer, and see how it works out. It's got to be as good or better than throwing yourself to the mercy of the knowledge and ethics of people who have been dead for 2000 years.

  • Posted By: goodhabits @ 10/16/2008 1:08:36 AM

    Ay yi yi. It was the failure to actually secularize the country that has led to religious-fueled violence. Religion-on-religion violence is just a symptom of fear and hate. Don't wave your good book around to excuse it or explain it. Get over it. All of your religiosn are based on fear and superstition. Try making a decision for yourself and seeing how it works out.

  • Posted By: ginnywalia @ 10/15/2008 10:02:01 PM

    I completely agree. Missionaaries often use their resources to convert the less fortunate. The eastern religions do not condone or ask their followers to convert others. However, western religions are much more comfortable with the concept of asking another to convert. I know I dont like it when they show up at my door with their literature. In return, I have begun to offer my own. They quickly leave. However, the rest of the world may not be so civilized. After all religion is the cause of the highest number of deaths in the history of mankind.

    • Posted By: SRaj @ 10/16/2008 1:05:50 AM

      YOu mean Christianity is a western religion? Need some classes I guess.

  • Posted By: trazer222 @ 10/15/2008 11:47:13 PM

    Under Obama, there will also be total intolerance of 50 per cent of Americans who believe in children's rights, Christian rights, and free speech., Obama cannot even stand fair and balanced reporting of Fox News - who tries to give various points of view. Obama will not care about India given his own insensitvity to 50 per cent of Americans who do not want him in the White House - ever!!!!

    • Posted By: lydien @ 10/16/2008 12:21:29 AM

      You are definitely off topic and angry

  • Posted By: lydien @ 10/16/2008 12:20:00 AM

    It is really unfortunate that a religious group would kill people belonging to another religious group because of diverent opinions. This raises seriousethical and human right questions. What is that religion preaching? Where is love and tolerance. My opinion, from analyzing different religions is that any religious group that promotes destruction of human lives is EVIL. What I know about christianity is that christians would try to explain to people why they are convinced of their beliefs, but would never force anyone to believe in what they say, or even think of killing people who do not believe in the Bible.

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