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Thus began an epic battle for one man's vote-not to mention the crowning of America's most famous plumber. Both candidates purported to know what was best for Joe, what he believed, and how his business would best operate.

As McCain drew Obama into a debate about tax hikes on people earning more than $250,000 a year, the Democratic nominee raised the name of Warren Buffett as someone who could afford to pay extra taxes.

"We're talking about Joe the Plumber," insisted McCain.

But McCain took the routine too far; what started out as a nice human touch in a complex economic debate soon ended up as a punchline. In the media room, where the nation's political reporters were watching the debate, the fifth reference to Joe the Plumber elicited giggles. The tenth prompted guffaws.

When he weaned himself away from Joe, some of McCain's most passionate lines involved the kind of hurt and anger that he feels about the kind of campaign his opponent is running.

Obama attacked McCain once again for voting for President Bush's budgets even as he campaigns against wasteful spending. "Senator Obama," McCain said turning to his rival, "I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago."

That Reaganesque volley hung in the air for a few minutes, until Obama struck back. "The fact of the matter is if I occasionally have mistaken your policies for George Bush's policies," Obama said, "it's because on the core economic issues that matter to the American people-on tax policy, on energy policy, on spending priorities - you have been a vigorous supporter of President Bush."

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  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 11/03/2008 12:04:16 PM

    Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005),
    What does redistributive mean. Well, remember that it was the liberal Left-Wing Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court that brought us this little jewel, holding that the government could take your real property, like your home, not for public use like a road or school, but to give to another private individual, such as a political contributor or other party hack or interest group.
    Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005), was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States involving the use of eminent domain to transfer land from one private owner to another to further economic development. The case arose from the condemnation by New London, Connecticut, of privately owned real property so that it could be used as part of a comprehensive redevelopment plan. The Court held in a 5-4 decision that the general benefits a community enjoyed from economic growth qualified such redevelopment plans as a permissible "public use" under the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment. Justice John Paul Stevens wrote the majority opinion; he was joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer
    The decision was widely criticized by American politicians and the general public. Many members of the general public viewed the outcome as a gross violation of property rights and as a misinterpretation of the Fifth Amendment, the consequence of which would be to benefit large corporations at the expense of individual homeowners and local communities. Some in the legal profession construe the public's outrage as being directed not at the interpretation of legal principles involved in the case, but at the broad moral principles of the general outcome.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 11/03/2008 11:30:11 AM

    In the exchange with "Joe the plumber" Obama unintentionally revealed that he really is as radical as his early political mentors and acquaintances, Davis, Ayers, Wright, Khalidi etc., (gee, there sure seem to be a lot of them) and that he is into the failed economic policy of wealth redistribution. Now there is absolute proof. In 2001, Obama, the "community organizer" turned legislator, said in an interview:

    "And I think one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the civil rights movement became so court-focused, I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and organizing activities on the ground that are able to bring about the coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in some ways we still suffer from that,"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

    2001 Chicago Public Radio Interview.

    Obama's tax and spending plans alone would be bad enough, but add Reid and Pelosi to the mix, with the three of them controlling both houses of Congress and the executive branch without any effective restraint, and you have something that should causes concern even among moderate Democrats.
    See Wall Street Journal: A Liberal Supermajority:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html

    Indeed, some democrats are publically saying as much. See Barney Franks comments on the news, including face the nation last week, stating essentially that Democrats in Congress intend to greatly raise taxes and go on a spending spree.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Mazjm_A5k

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJGnSAlqjoU

    See http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23617.html

    Obama's ill-conceived programs will require him to tax, and his health care plan alone is a substantial hidden tax on all business, large an small. In reality, it does not really matter who he taxes, those taxes are going to be passed through the economy. He has to tax, because it is they only way he can pay for his massive social engineering experiments. Any first year economics student knows that taxation is a tool used to contract an economy experiencing inflation, because it reduces demand by reducing the amount of money individuals and businesses have to spend. It is contractionary, which is exactly what you do not want to do when the problem is that the economy is contracting already into recession. Like Hoover and FDR, Obama's plans will only make it worse for longer.

    See e.g. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/03/opinion/main4499465.shtml
    And
    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx


    The democrats failed social engineering policies in the housing market are what brought us to ruin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related
    Even Bill Clinton says so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsynspIqAoE
    Obama and a supermajority of Democrats simply is not the change we need, nor is it change we can afford.

  • Posted By: drewand @ 11/03/2008 7:31:10 AM

    John McCain has run one of the most negative and dishonest campaigns in modern politics. It is an outrage that a man who claims to be a great patriot can speak those words with a straight face. He claims to be able to 'get' Bin Laden", doubt it! He claims to be able to "fix Washington",doubt it! He claims to be able to"fix the economy", doubt it! Joe the plumber is afictional character meant to represent the small business owners earning over $200.000. a year. This man is neither a licensed plumber nor is he a business owner but in true neferious fashion is presented a plain working class "joe", just like joe six pack. This campaign does not represent the average Joe at all! Just the wealthy and the near wealthy. John McCain has never run a business or a state or a city, so what gives him the right to acuse Obama of lacking experience. It is enough for me, at least, that Obama has at least a fifty point lead in IQ over this dangerous man!!!

 
 
 
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