The Vanishing Male Voter

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  • Posted By: flednam2 @ 10/17/2008 6:19:09 PM

    Dear Americans,

    Please. I donot want to sound anything but as a friend.

    One would have thought that if you really value your country, its democracy, its institutions and values, you would have made every effort to make the election day, every four years, as easy and convenient for as many voters to do their civic duties, right? I am suggesting that you have the election on a Saturday like what happens in many countries where elections are held on a Saturday.

    After all, many Americans profess to hold dear their country's democracy and its values and are even prepared to defend it on the battlefield.

    So what is it to be? Are you prepared to pay for the cost of a few hours on a Saturday to do your civic duties? For anything else is just a lip service to your democracy. I am afraid.

    Good luck.

    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 10/17/2008 11:42:58 PM

      Saturday is the Jewish Sabbath. Tuesday is a neutral voting day that millions of voters have had no problem with for decades.

      • Posted By: flednam2 @ 10/18/2008 12:05:26 AM

        Hi,

        If you can show me that Israel has not attacked or killed its enemy on a Saturday then I may consider your comment in a different light. Besides, the founding fathers of the US constitution wanted to keep the affairs of the State separately from that of religion. Period.

  • Posted By: clduckett @ 10/17/2008 10:11:13 AM

    As a 'citizen of the world' I've always recognized that living in a democratic society is a gift, especially when there are billions of people who don't have the ability to vote. Acknowledging this, I have not missed an opportunity to vote since 1976, not only for myself, but in recognition of the remarkable power invested in the act of voting itself. In my opinion, those who choose not to vote are akin to those who wouldn't stoop to help a child who has fallen. Either case is to thumb one's nose belligerently at humanity.

    • Posted By: tiredofextremes @ 10/17/2008 10:33:07 AM

      Yeah, and why don't you also go one step further and say that all men who don't vote are actively participating in Al Qaeda. Intolerant jerk...

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 10/17/2008 11:38:47 PM

        tiredofextremes is mad as H because no one likes or respects her. She's judgmental, angry and vicious. Thank God you don't have to live or work with her.

      • Posted By: r_doss @ 10/17/2008 11:41:40 AM

        It seems to me that you have quite a load of intolerance yourself. Ever heard of "projecting"?

    • Posted By: HamChi @ 10/17/2008 3:21:04 PM

      Taps playing in the background: boo hoo hoo, boo hoo hoo, families we are gather here today to play tribute to the death of the white male. A person who has centuries how has always taken more then his fair share. He is now living in a century where no one caters his whims or whams; he has found himself, unable to adjust to the change fortunes of time. He constantly cries and whimpers now that he can no longer have a bigger taste the very pudding, we all have to taste, day to day. He can no longer have the biggest piece of the pie and must now compete with those he has stood on, for far too long. Boo hoo, hoo, poor, poor, poor mister white male, to bad; you will become an extinct species, who is no longer reverent to the grand scheme of things. Oh how we will cry at your misfortune.

      One minute, OKAY I???M DONE.

      LET???S PARTY A???LL

    • Posted By: UK Cousin @ 10/17/2008 12:09:35 PM

      Of course not voting sends a message stronger than casting a vote. I do not like or care for what either party or candidate stands for. I will not be held responsable for the failures or pandering of either candidate. Both parties should put more effort into finding candidates that make people want to vote for them rather than voting agains the other candidate. Since both parties think the most important thing is to cater to the extremes of their parties, it means that most of the peope who are in the middle are excluded from the democratic process.

      • Posted By: HamChi @ 10/17/2008 3:15:39 PM

        Taps playing in the background: boo hoo hoo, boo hoo hoo, families we are gather here today to play tribute to the death of the white male. A person who has centuries how has always taken more then his fair share. He is now living in a century where no one cateries to his whims or whams, he has found himself, unable to adjust to the change fortunes of time. He constantly cries and whimpers now that he can no longer have a bigger taste the very pudding, we all have to taste, day to day. He can no longer have the biggest piece of the pie and must now compete with those he has stood on, for far too long. Boo hoo, hoo, poor, poor, poor mister white male, to bad; you will become an extinct species, who is no longer reverent to the grand scheme of things. Oh how we will cry at your misfortune.

        One minute, OKAY I DONE.

        LET???S PARTY A???LL

      • Posted By: Not_Rich @ 10/17/2008 1:01:42 PM

        This remark by UKcousin has to be one of the most ignorant I've seen in awhile as a sorry excuse for beingtoo lazy to go to the polls. Sorry, not voting makes no statement, none, you haven't said a thing except that you're willing to sit back and accept anything the people who do choose to vote select for you. Here there are more than 2 choices for president on the ballot, even if the press doesn't seem to want anyone to know about it. Then there's your senator, a congressman, state level representatives, local government representatives, school board representatives, here there's even the head of your local fire company board. So, you say that giving up your right to vote on everyone that affects your life either directly or indirectly because you don't like either one of the 2 primary presidential candidates makes some kind of statement? By not participating you've not only given up your right to choose, you've given up all rights to complain about who was chosen for you. Yeah, now that I think about it, it sure does say something, but not what you'd like to think.

  • Posted By: flednam2 @ 10/17/2008 6:08:28 PM

    Dear Americans,

    Please. I donot want to sound anything else but as an admirer of American values at one stage.

    Now, one would have thought that if you really value your country and its institutions you would have made:

    - The election day easy and convenient for as many people to vote without imposing too much conflict on voters' ability to do so during a normal week day, right? I am thinking of Saturdays like what people do elsewhere in some countries.

    Anything less, it's simply a lip service to democracy and its values which surpringly, many Americans profess to hold dear and even are prepared to defend it on the battlefield.

    So are you prepared to pay for the cost of your democracy every four year: a Saturday. What is it to be?

    Good luck.

    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 10/17/2008 7:53:49 PM

      Are you hoping to disenfranchise Jewish voters?

      • Posted By: flednam2 @ 10/17/2008 11:26:21 PM

        No but I am more concerned about religious influence over the affairs of the US. Let's see the legacy of G.W.Bush administration. One that:

        - by deception, started a WMD-phantom war in Iraq,
        - is responsible for the death of thousands of US soldiers,
        - is responsible for hundreds of thousands more injured and scarred for life,
        - is, directly and indirectly, responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, including innocent children and women,
        - responsible for spending a conservatively estimated (by Joseph Stiglitz) $3US trillions which indirectly contributes to the current credit crisis,
        - responsible for the much weakened strategic position in the world which the US may not be able to reclaim easily. (Remember that political might needs to be sustained by economic cloud),

        Meanwhile the Talibans have been regrouping in Afghanistan, and bin Laden is still at large.

        All by courtersy of Bush and the neocons, conservatives and right-wing Christian nuts who voted G.W.Bush to restore morality to the Whitehouse following a blowjob performed by Monica Lewinski on Bill Clintoon.

        Talking about human stupidity. It seems to have no bounds.

  • Posted By: thetruth314 @ 10/17/2008 3:13:17 PM

    Many politicans represent the worst nightmare of a white male: to become a shell of a man who has completely sold out. Unfortunately for many white males it???s like looking in a mirror, and being horrified.

    In our society today, if you are a woman, or a minority, you are conferred certain advantages under ???equal opportunity???. What this means if you are a white male, is that you are the ONLY demographic who is at a disadvantage. The reason why women/minorities think this is acceptable, is because white men are still ???in power???. But in fact, white men are being attacked from all sides, so even the white men ???in power??? are in fact powerless. They can???t say what they think, they can???t be comfortable in their own country. They have sold out their ideals and their freedom for a last bit of personal power and prestige. White males of older generations did in fact enjoy advantages that women and minorities were not allowed. But we are now experiencing a reversal, white males of the current generation are at a distinct disadvantage. And more important than the reduced education and job prospects, are the restrictions on our ideas, discourse, and other intellectual freedoms.

    This can help explain why the Republican party had success in the last 8 years. The GOP strategists are brilliant, trying to sell their party as a stronghold for white males, or a stronghold for the religious. When in fact, the GOP is neither, and only seeks to improve the lot of the extremely wealthy (which consequently means preserving the status quo). While it may seem to help white males (or religious folks) on the surface, the price you pay for entry into the GOP is your soul. And deep down everyone should know this.

    Democrats clearly emphasize the importance of women and minorities. By default, white males are the only group not emphasized, therefore they are discouraged. In principle the Democrats seem to be more closely aligned to the true vision of America, yet how can this be so when they persecute a single group? This persecuted group happens to be the same demographic that the Founding Fathers were in.

    Again, what does this all mean in terms of male voter turnout? Many males do not respect politicians, they find them disgusting. Our country has wealth and power unprecedented in the history of the world. And yet white males can clearly see that we are on the declining side of our dream. The system has let us down. Confusion reigns. But someday white males may discover a way to fix these problems, and then the confusion will turn into focused determination that will once again change the world for the better. We just need to discover that path. Our current path, where white males are caught in a crossfire of hostility from the people who they raised up, is certainly not the correct path.

    • Posted By: tiredofextremes @ 10/17/2008 3:28:01 PM

      To enter the Republican party, you have to sell your soul? What planet did you grow up on? You obviously see things from the other half of the country. Most down-home republicans aren't monsters, we don't beat up minorities, women, or homeless people, and we don't sign a Faustian contract. We do, however, see things differently for a better world. It always sticks in my craw that democrats always resort to flame-mails and shouting when faced with someone that isn't in their party. You cry that McCain is engaging in character assassination when, in fact, your party has been perfecting it since the first Bush ran for a second term in office. Get a life.

      I'm a registered republican that is aghast at McCain's choice for a VP, but I believe in many priniciples of the party that belonged to Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt. You don't like that, fine, but don't insinuate we sold our souls to be here, ***!

      • Posted By: thetruth314 @ 10/17/2008 3:40:57 PM

        Lots of good people belong to the Republican party. It's a shame that the views of those good people are not reflected in the actual policies of those politicians, was the point intended.

        • Posted By: tiredofextremes @ 10/17/2008 3:44:13 PM

          Fair enough. Thanks for the courtesy of a reply.

          • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 10/17/2008 11:25:25 PM

            loriw of butt-wiping fame has seemingly gone the way of the dodo bird but her phony manners and anti-socialist medicine rants are recognizable. Seems loriw has reinvented herself as tiredofextremes.

        • Posted By: tiredofextremes @ 10/17/2008 3:45:36 PM

          I guess I got a bit riled up...sorry about that.

      • Posted By: bluemoss1 @ 10/17/2008 5:07:25 PM

        one can't sell what one doesn't have...the problem is...Republican's can't handle any thing but lemming's...Democrat means "DARE TO THINK FOR YOURSELF"

        • Posted By: tiredofextremes @ 10/17/2008 5:47:57 PM

          If only that were really true. The fact is that if you ask most democrats what the issues are, what their candidate supports, or doesn't, most can only spout the talking points from commercials or attack lines from capitol hill pundits that go on talk shows, or the drivel from comedians and Hollywood heroes. Dare to think for yourself indeed...you have as many dumb robots as you claim we have. Ours just happen to be under fire this election cycle. Wait until Obama is the lame-duck, and you'll see the rage change to the other side. Pity you can't see that.

    • Posted By: thetruth314 @ 10/17/2008 3:23:42 PM

      By the way, those were supposed to be quotations marks and apostrophes. For some reason they showed up as question marks (???) but I won't repost my long comment.

    • Posted By: LawyerDad @ 10/17/2008 3:22:13 PM

      Well said. You have more optimism for the near future for men than I do, which I hope my sons will share. Right now, seems the tides are the other way for the forseeable future.

      LawyerDad

  • Posted By: vox populi @ 10/17/2008 9:07:24 PM

    i can't understand why some people, both men and women, don't exercise their right to vote. i'm a male and i've voted in every presidential election since 1980, when i was first able. i also don't know why we need groups like ACORN registering people to vote. i'm a minority and i have always took it upon myself to find out where i'm supposed to register to vote and where my polling place is. when you send people out like the way ACORN does with their volunteers your bound to get voter fraud. also everyone in the nation should be rquired to show their I.D. when they vote.

  • Posted By: jscs @ 10/17/2008 3:03:34 PM

    American men are lazy. They love football (as do I), but won't read a newspaper, a magazine, or a book if it takes more than five mintues of concentration. American men are allowing themselves to be dumbed down. They are worse than their kids when it comes to watching television. But this is good news for American women... it's your time! Keep yourselves sharp and the world is yours.

    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 10/17/2008 8:47:32 PM

      American women want American men to be everyday fathers to their children. Enough of 'feminist' types who said women can do it all. This craziness has been a serious drag on the happiness of American women, men and their children for over 40 years. All hands on deck. An attitudinal adjustment is in order, i.e. let's grow up..

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 10/17/2008 3:42:09 PM

      I don;t know who you think you are speaking for, but I don't know very many men like the ones you discribe

    • Posted By: LawyerDad @ 10/17/2008 3:24:12 PM

      Guess you don't know men like me, or boys like my sons.

      LawyerDad

  • Posted By: LynyrdSky @ 10/17/2008 4:32:59 PM

    I'll say this and be done with it.

    Obama and McCain were at a fundraiser last night in tuxes with champagne and expensive food and deep pocketbooks with the nations elite politicians and wealthiest Americans.

    They laughed and joked around like old friends, and if you watched CNN or your local news, you caught images and soundbites of their jokes.


    When are about 80% of the people in this country going to wake up and realize what is going on here?

    We have spent too long dividing this country up with fear and lies and hate on both sides, yet here they go putting on a show...

    My bad, the show is the presidential run. What you saw tonight was the real people.

    Only the bitter, upset voters fight each other. These two could care less really.

    They are part of the elite, and it really doesn't matter who gets elected, because YOUR best interests are not on the table.

    This BS talk about Palin and Obama and everyone else... it has to stop. Stop yelling at each other and yell at the ones responsible...

    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 10/17/2008 8:21:26 PM

      Haven't you heard of Sen. Obama's many years dedicated to helping disadvantaged people in Chicago? Sen. Obama is hardly part of the elite. He isn't interested in 'social' standing, he's interested in making positive changes in the lives of Americans. And he will.

      Rep. Michelle Bachmann and Gov. Sarah Palin are right-wing extremists who display neither pride nor shame when they repeatedly attempt to slander Sen. Obama. God has a wonderful way of getting even. These two shrews have thoroughly disgraced themselves.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/17/2008 8:34:48 PM

        Excellent comments, elizabethpaige!

        • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 10/17/2008 8:39:41 PM

          I took a 'break' for a while from the right wing nuts on these blogs. Let's thank God that the election will soon be over. President Obama will restore faith in America at home and abroad.

    • Posted By: suzvoter47 @ 10/17/2008 4:56:48 PM

      Enter Your Comment If nothing else Know that the 15 million dollars raised last night at the Al Smith fundraiser went to Catholic Charities that also support other non-denominational programs for the disadvataged. Therefore, even if you though it was way over the top for both candidates know that at least something good may come of the night. Perhaps a warm meal and bed for a family in need of shelter.

  • Posted By: LawyerDad @ 10/17/2008 1:01:30 PM

    This is no surprise to men.

    May I suggest the reason men don't vote is because american society and political correctness has for more than 2 generations been hostile to men. It's rare for a country and society to turn its back on, and cripple, the very backbone of its success economically and militarily, but that's exactly what the US has done for over 40 years. Is it any wonder that US men resent it? Is it any wonder that they are angry? So angry, apparently, that 5.8 million of them are in jail. Jail is the home of unhappy, angry persons.

    This pattern is very clear. We ignore it because, for political policy purposes, we as a society choose to ignore it. While we encourage and elevate, and even exault, the growth, independence, and success of US women and minotiries, we do the polar opposite to US men, and have done so for at least 2 generations. It should be no surprise then, that America has, penultimately, declined in strength in all ways, NOT becasue promoting women and minotiries is bad, or because of them; rather, because America has chosen to cripple and castrate its men. As long as that continues, America's path will be same old, same old.

    If you doubt the terms "cripple and castrate", consider the evidence. US men die at younger ages? Death is due to wear and tear on American men, or disproportionately being in the wrong place at the wrong time. This article itself mentions that US male workloads have increased a staggering 80% since 1980. That is wear and tear, that is death, and that means less time for their communities, their children, their spouses. Moreover, unlike women or minorities, US men have virtually no support from anyone. No one wants or listens to their opinions, likes or dislikes. They are ridiculed, relentlessly, in the written media, on TV, and in many movies. Instead of a supportive spouse, they often face a bitchy, difficult, demanding, unsatisfied and unhappy one at the end of a very long workday, who often has unrealistic and unattainable expectations of them, and often no sympathy. Is it any wonder they might be stressed, despondent, discouraged, or down? This is a recipe for anger, frustration, resentment, and ill health. What about the word "castration": A healthy strong male who is happy and who likes himself is often very fertile. Our society takes this for granted. But it should not. Because unhappy unhappy, unhealthy males are less fertile, or not at all. Is it any wonder there has been a big rise in infertile young males? Is it any wonder that drugs such as viagra have been developed and sell well? There is a big need, by all US males. Strong, healthy males do not need drugs. Thiese dynamics are captured in the divorce statistics - over 1/2 of marriages now fail. This is not the face of a society healthy for males. And it is finally catching up with us.

    Been there done that

    • Posted By: FrankAll @ 10/17/2008 1:55:45 PM

      Great post , please read mine.

      • Posted By: Greta603 @ 10/17/2008 2:29:41 PM

        Men die younger because of their bad habits (not eating right, smoking) as well as their propensity for reckless and/or violent behavior. Also, I'm tired of hearing about what long hours men work at the office and how unsupportive their wives are about it. More often than not, these wives have full-time jobs as well and then come home for the "second shift" of endless housework, cooking and child care. This is a reality with or without the husbands working long hours. It's true that men are pitching in more than they used to, but the majority of the burden still falls on women.

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 10/17/2008 3:50:37 PM

          where is my fiddle ?

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/17/2008 8:37:13 PM

            Do you play a musical instrument, News?

    • Posted By: mslizah @ 10/17/2008 1:45:50 PM

      Your post was great and I agree with a lot of what you say. We constantly demean and diminish the capabilities of men in the media, especially if they happen to be white males and then wonder why they don't participate in the political process. If I were a man, I wouldn't bother either. Great post!! Unfortunately your wisdom seems to be lost on everyone else posting on this thread.

      • Posted By: LawyerDad @ 10/17/2008 2:17:18 PM

        Thanks, mslizah, I appreciate your support to what has often been portrayed as an unpopular view.
        But I suggest it is not, and should not be.

        My views on this were sharpened when I went overseas and saw how other countries are set up and operate, especially developing countries, which are eating our lunch, and for good reason. Believe me, they are not hostile to their men.

        I do not suggest that our plight is hopeless, only that the part of the path we have chosen that is, and has long been, hostile to men, is unnecessaryily corrosive and crippling to them. It eats away men's strength, and our strength. We can turn this around. Hopefully we will.

        LawyerDad

      • Posted By: FrankAll @ 10/17/2008 1:56:39 PM

        Great post by LawyerDad, Please read mine.

    • Posted By: FrankAll @ 10/17/2008 1:51:15 PM

      I could not agree more, please read my comment

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 10/17/2008 4:17:20 PM

    The men in this country are mostly jerks who are so wrapped up in themselves that they don't like to pay taxes to help the rest of the country, they don't like to have Gobernment helping them, they don't see any use in universal health care (coz they're scared of becoming "socialist" as if that were the worst possible thing that could ever happen) and they are too macho and simple-minded to do anything but vote for leaders who are war mongers.

    Where are the REAL men? Most men in my family are planning to vote. Who are these bubba men who are not making it to the polls? They must be the namby-pampies who voted for Bush Jr. twice in a row - the anti-intellectuals who want four more years of a moron in office to play war games and take over the oil-producing world - the "real" Bush Doctrine.

    I just was "W" and it has put me in a sour mood - I really loathe republicans thanks to Bush Jr. He is really the bottom of the barrel, and now we've got Palin slurping up the dregs, Tacky, anti-intellectual and below mediocre. Just awful for this country and its standing in the world.

    • Posted By: tiredofextremes @ 10/17/2008 4:51:49 PM

      You want to know what the problem with socialized medicine is? Not much until your family member or you needs a life-saving, expensive procedure. Ask the families over in England what happens when it "just costs too much" for the system to bear. They get sacrificed, effectively euthanized, even though the actual dying usually takes longer to happen. To the families who have loved ones saved by private medicine, privatized medicine is the best, most important thing in the world. Hopefully, if we go the route of universal medicine, you'll be spared the grief that others have felt in a socialized medical world (lest you actually realize how much you just bit the big one!!!)

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 10/17/2008 8:36:07 PM

        Even heart , lung, kidney and other major organ transplants are paid for by socialized medicine countries You are in no position to discuss socialized medicine because you don't know the first thing about it.
        What is it to you how people in other countries choose to deal with their medical needs? Those people aren't forced into bankruptcy when they need surgery or hospitalization. So button up and come up with a better 'excuse' for denying Americans in the wealthy good old USA to fend for themselves when they need medical care. If you don't care about American adults you can at least care about American kids.

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 10/17/2008 4:31:57 PM

      what is your point other than to insult just about everyone?

    • Posted By: varacefan @ 10/17/2008 4:30:00 PM

      You are calling someone anti-intellectual? Now that is a good one! lol

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/17/2008 8:31:20 PM

    Harley-left you a post on the Ready, Aim, Fire article.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/17/2008 7:34:37 PM

    John McCain and Fellow Republican Politicians, have worked with [ACORN] Especially John McC.

    Source: www.thehuffingtonpost.com

    McCain is a [Acorn Man] and other Republicans too !!!

    40% of Acorn's Registered Voters have been [Republicans]

    Hahahaha !!

    On Monday, the Democratic-leaning group ACORN, which has been painted as a criminal enterprise by the GOP for its voter registration and housing policy efforts, pushed back against its critics by producing a photo of John McCain attending its March 2006 rally.

    It was a reminder that, for all their electoral histrionics, Republicans have aligned themselves with ACORN in the past.

    Indeed, in addition to the McCain photo, there is a host of examples of prominent McCain surrogates attending ACORN events, signing ACORN legislation, or complimenting the group's efforts.

    Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, for example, partnered with ACORN in March 2008 for a "Homeownership Promotes The Economy" taskforce. More recently, Crist declared that -- contrary to GOP outrage -- he was not upset with the group's voter registration efforts in his state. The New York Times reported that ACORN supported a law signed by Governor Crist, which "changed the rules last year to restore the voting rights of about 112,000 former convicts."

    In July 2005, meanwhile, another Republican governor, Rick Perry of Texas, signed ACORN's Lending Law Reform Bill that changed the state's homelending practices.



    In July 2008, California Governor and McCain supporter Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill that ACORN helped draft aimed at California homeowners facing foreclosure.


    In June 2007, Minnesota Governor and McCain VP short-lister Tim Pawlenty signed a similar bill -- drafted by ACORN -- that helped homeowners get fairer deals on their mortgages.

    "The legislation was drafted according to recommendations made by a predatory lending study group established by Swanson prior to the legislative session," wrote the Northwestern Financial Review. "The study group contained representatives from the banking industry and the mortgage brokers association, as well as consumer advocates from organizations such as Illegal Aid and ACORN."

    As Governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney signed an anti-predatory lending bill that ACORN supported. In February 2006, Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman met with the ACORN Katrina Survivors Association. And back in July 2005, New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg actually got a kiss from ACORN's state leader, according to the publication City Limits, during an announcement that the city would protect or create 65,000 affordable units in a new housing proposal. Bloomberg, it should be noted, has not endorsed a candidate.

  • Posted By: Molly Tonks @ 10/17/2008 6:24:17 PM

    The answer to the question of why men don't vote is the same as why they don't go to college and why so many don't believe that their parenthood involves their marrying the mother.

    We are having fewer children these days, and the male children are so pampered and spoiled that they don't learn to be men. They don't learn to be good citizens. They don't learn to take enough responsibility. in short, it's mommy's fault. They are just not stepping up!

    • Posted By: mslizah @ 10/17/2008 7:08:38 PM

      I know plenty of women of whom the same could be said. Again, a broad generalization that does not serve the discussion.

  • Posted By: solo xx @ 10/17/2008 6:25:27 PM

    Men don't vote because men are becoming increasingly ignorant and self-possessed. Look around; This appears to be the first generation of men who actually take pride in looking, acting and like morons. Language, fashion, attitude: Too many young (voting age) men just love to display that 'Yo! I'm bad! Yo! I'm stupid!, persona.
    You see it on TV, hear it on record, read it in magazines; The smart gal, putting up with the dumb/fat/vapid/dimwitted husband/boyfriend/neighbor/co-worker/boss, etc. Pound down a beer, high five and bump bellies at the game: It's sometimes very embarrassing to be one of them. Pride in stupidity in ignorance? Seems to be in style with today's young American male (And you ladies?? You're catchin' right up.).


    • Posted By: mslizah @ 10/17/2008 7:07:23 PM

      I think that is a rather broad generalization (and could go both ways) Statements like yours really do not serve the conversation or show you to your best advantage. A good discussion is great but all of these polarizing statements and finger pointing make good discussion impossible.

  • Posted By: jscs @ 10/17/2008 3:01:31 PM

    Because most American men are lazy, and not intellectually curious. They love football (as do I), but won't read a newspaper or a magazine if it takes more than ten minutes. American men are dumbing down... and that should be great news for American women. It's your time!

    • Posted By: varacefan @ 10/17/2008 4:37:57 PM

      What? The men I work with are very informed about current issues. The women in our office focus on dancing with the stars or who Maddona is toying with. What planet are you on?

      • Posted By: johnjac @ 10/17/2008 6:51:43 PM

        I am one of those grown up men- who has my own company (manufacturer for components that are used in about every hi-tech gizmo you can think of), works 60hrs+ every week, reads articles and books daily, built our house, fixes breakfast, lunches, dinners never watches reality TV or sports, spends a huge amount of time with my son - who calls me his best friend. So by your standards I don't exist and should not exist. So if I limit this to my son- who is number 1 in his class/school, sports, school events, works at my company... Has met exactly the kind of woman you speak about- a mom who left him and emotionally devastated him, teachers that have proven to be highly biased in male/female relations, can't voice his opinion in many classes about issues brought up or poitics unless they align with the teacher, is surrounded by multiple female students that wear shirts like "guys drool girls rule" and worse, reads incredible responses like yours..... who questions why woman can say things in public/school act in ways in public and school that no man can.... yep.. but it is my duty and belief and good knowledge that tells me and I tell him that you do not represent your gender, that your pitiful litttle mean thoughts deserve no more thought and action than a moth in a light. If you are as superior as you say - then why are you not leading to help bring us together instead of driving us apart. I hope you don't have children especially a son- you don't deserve them. You deserve to stay in your own little mean world .. to the end. You are an insult to woman.

    • Posted By: LawyerDad @ 10/17/2008 3:17:32 PM

      I don't thnk that crippling US boys spiritually is productive or healthy for our nation, for the long term, any more than it used to be for girls.

      LawyerDad

      • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 10/17/2008 4:25:16 PM

        And who the hell, may I ask, is "crippling US boys spiritually" as you say? What an odd viewpoint. I thought spirituality is up to the individual. Nobody has been more "crippling" as an example of a leader than Bush Jr. and his cronies. The Bush family should go live in Saudi Arabia with all their best oil buddies, the Saudi princes.

  • Posted By: martinortizpadilla @ 10/17/2008 6:46:21 PM

    One of the reason is that is not a good canditated to vote for and when you vote for something the supreme court overturned.
    Martin

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/17/2008 6:17:17 PM

    THE GREAT BUSH DEPRESSION
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    He perfectly predicted the current meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen next
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide ,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch , Fanny and Freddy Mae ,AIG
    The government took them over because they are bankrupt. Even with the goverment nationalizing hundreds of billions of dollars in debt the stock market is crashing
    the credit markets are frozen and all of us may suffer beyond anything seen in generations
    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand how its been broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use quantum mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.
    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He was the last to know somthing was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime. Check out this link to the truth http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a budget surplus like Bush did but a crashing economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why are the polls even close then ?
    Mccains team just said they no longer want to talk about the economy.Instead they would like to spend time talking about obama
    which means running the biggest smear campaign in history.
    They think they can just tell you lies and you wont be smart enough to see through it
    Let's teach him we are smarter than that
    Stand up and hold them accountable
    Bush isn't on the ballot this year but his policies are
    Elect Obama Biden 2008






    Check out this video of sarah palins interview and ask your self if she understands what she is talking about.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/17/2008 6:17:07 PM

    THE GREAT BUSH DEPRESSION
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    He perfectly predicted the current meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen next
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide ,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch , Fanny and Freddy Mae ,AIG
    The government took them over because they are bankrupt. Even with the goverment nationalizing hundreds of billions of dollars in debt the stock market is crashing
    the credit markets are frozen and all of us may suffer beyond anything seen in generations
    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand how its been broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use quantum mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.
    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He was the last to know somthing was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime. Check out this link to the truth http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a budget surplus like Bush did but a crashing economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why are the polls even close then ?
    Mccains team just said they no longer want to talk about the economy.Instead they would like to spend time talking about obama
    which means running the biggest smear campaign in history.
    They think they can just tell you lies and you wont be smart enough to see through it
    Let's teach him we are smarter than that
    Stand up and hold them accountable
    Bush isn't on the ballot this year but his policies are
    Elect Obama Biden 2008






    Check out this video of sarah palins interview and ask your self if she understands what she is talking about.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

  • Posted By: corporatism is fascism @ 10/17/2008 5:59:04 PM

    I can't wait to see the weeping and nashing of teeth among the republicans when they wake up and find that they have lost their power to scare people with their endless fearmongering and hyperbole.

    I'm a man and a democrat, my wife is a republican. She has decided that she too will back Obama this year, but not because I told her to. Women today have the right and the confidence to think for themselves and we are better off as a country because of that fact.

    I

  • Posted By: rowjoe @ 10/17/2008 2:40:00 PM

    I believe the reason for the falling numbers is that there is an increasing social message to boys: you really don't matter so shut-up and take you medicine. As the father of three boys, schools syatems are slanted to to advancement of girls. The concerns of the parents of boys fall on deaf ears. Take the effort to improve the SAt scores of girls in math, was their a corresponding effort to improve the scores of boys in language skills? Not hardly. Much is made on the social impact on the self-esteem of girls of the imigies of the beauty standard, the same happens to boys and the message they receive it that you don't matter.

    • Posted By: wilyum @ 10/17/2008 2:48:59 PM

      Unfiortunately, this is very true and may have a very strong impact on why men do not vote.

      • Posted By: jscs @ 10/17/2008 3:05:46 PM

        Sounds like self-esteem issues to me. Or I-don't-want-to-get-off-the-couch syndrome to me. Buy your boys books if you want to improve their language skills.

        • Posted By: rowjoe @ 10/17/2008 5:55:57 PM

          Look at how men are protrayed in today's media. They are either a usless oaf, a child abuser, or a wife killer. It's difficult to keep a boy's focus on what is good and how thay should act responsibly and most of with respect. It isn't a matter of simply buying a book. My oldest son is very well read, has traveled through Europe, was places in the all state chours two straight years, scored over 1300 on his SAT, was in the marching band for five years, he started in eith grade, and the guidence counsler, a wome, basically told him college was not in his future. And to add insult to injury, made no real effort to help him. So what is the message he received? What message did it send to my younger two? Achieve all you can...no one really cares.

        • Posted By: LawyerDad @ 10/17/2008 3:12:37 PM

          jscs:

          I think it's a spiritual issue for males and especially boys, just as it once was in girls in our society, which is a larger issue for a society rather than an individual issue.

          My boys read well - they are both well above the 95% percentile nationally - but their self esteem is often under fire.

          LawyerDad

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 10/17/2008 3:43:15 PM

      Its true. a lot of female teachers are only interested in punishing boys

    • Posted By: LawyerDad @ 10/17/2008 3:08:04 PM

      I agree entirely. I saw the present system in action
      when my three children - two boys and a girl -
      went through grammar school, elementary school,
      and now the two boys are in high school.

      Nowadays, girls are at the top academically,
      and are supported in sports activities and
      other activities. They often occupy all of the
      leadership positions. Boys seem to have
      fallen to the sidelines, almost as if they
      are the butts of jokes.

      In my day, in the 1950's and 1960's, it
      was the opposite. Boys dominated the
      top of the class, especially in math and
      science, and often the same boys were
      the best athletes and leaders. It's no
      surprise to me that these boys went
      into society and were able to maintain
      and then extend the prosperity and
      strength that the US enjoyed as victors
      after World War II.

      Will our girls be able to do the same?

      That time is now upon us. Let's hope
      they will.

      LawyerDad

  • Posted By: MrTvideo@msn.com @ 10/17/2008 5:51:20 PM

    I am a male. I was a Republican for more than 30 years, but I have been a registered independent for the last several. I vote, but not always. Sometimes the choice is between two or more candidates, all of whom I see as unacceptable. Supporting the ???lesser of two evils??? in such instances is still supporting evil. When all candidates??? ???evils??? are egregious enough, I abstain from supporting any of them. Thus, I will not vote for a tertiary party candidate who does not offer a better set of characteristics than those of the ???majors.??? I wish ballot choices included ???abstention.???

    I often vote for only some of the offices being contended. (Nothing says that you must vote for all offices under contention.) The right to vote does not imply an obligation to do so, regardless of the choices offered. My right to choose not to exercise certain options (e.g., keeping and bearing arms, practicing religion, voting, etc.) is as important as my right to exercise them.

    Sometimes I lead, sometimes I follow, and sometimes I get out of the way. Freedom implies my right to select among those options.

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