The silliest thing of all is to say that we need abortion to preserve a woman's right to choose her reproductive status. Every woman has a multitude of choices of whether she gets pregnant or not. The choice to have sex without contraception, the choice to have sex with any one of a multitude of pregnancy prevention pills, devices, methods and procedures. What no woman, or man has the right to do is to choose to murder another human being. The question of whether a fetus is human has been decided by science- it is and cannot be anything other than homosapien, therefore it is human. From conception it has the complete DNA of a human being. Let's just say what this debate is about - the desire to not experience the natural consequences of having sex.
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Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 11/28/2008 10:33:42 PM
Mr. DeMuth, I will agree to disagree with you about abortion making the world a cooler place to live...if your mom aborted you, I wouldn't have to see the crap you posted. Abortion is wrong; it is murdering helpless infants, in or out of the womb. So, to say that murdering helpless infants...who have no voice in the matter...is cutting down on crime is assinine and hypocritical.
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Posted By: Willian C DeMuth @ 11/20/2008 3:24:58 PM
Thank God for abortion, it has made this world so much cooler!
It reduces crime and overpopulation, cuts back on global warming, and prevents those ugly stretch marks.
If any of you have any doubts what so ever about bearing children and you find yourself pregnant, please do the right thing and abort.
Besides, there are PLENTY of children available for sale in China, and my mother always told me people are starving there, so please abort and adopt whenever possible, so I won???t have to eat broccoli anymore.
Luckily Adam wasn???t aborted by his mother or we would have never gotten the baby Jesus whose father gave us abortion.
Confusing isn???t it?
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Posted By: WatchmansWarning @ 11/09/2008 7:22:23 PM
It always seems to amaze me how drastically the levels of decency, morality, and conscience seem to be declining in this once great nation. I often hear that a woman has the "right to choose". What I don't seem to hear from these same people is the rights of the baby. Regardless of where one's beliefs may be, the fact remains that there is an infant inside of a pregnant woman, who has a beating heart, and lungs, and has blood and tissue, etc. This child deserves its right to life, which was given by the Creator God.
Oddly, we put people in jail for disturbing or harming certain creatures in the animal kingdom, and yet, we have legalized the murder of our very own children! All I can say is that this is nothing short of WICKEDNESS and the Word of the Lord will not let this go without divine retribution. Note the following:
I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live (Deuteronomy 30:19).
You shall not murder (Exodus 20:13).
Open your mouth for the speechless, in the cause of all who are appointed to die (Proverbs 31:8).
As noted above, ALL Christians should take a firm and unmoving position against the destruction of life. This is a foremost and highly necessary rule when voting for those in authority over us. Any Christian who believes that it's ok to elect someone to the office of Presidency who thinks it's ok to murder infant children in the womb has some serious soul-searching that needs to be done (as does the President). God's Word says that it IS NOT ok, and we should take heed to His declarations.
Be it known that Obama holds this position of wickedness and I most certainly did not vote for him. But all of America should know this....
Since Roe v Wade, America has murdered appx. 50,000,0000 infant children. That's right, 50 MILLION! We America, most urgently need to repent and ask for forgiveness, which comes only through the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.
If we fail to do so, this nation may be soon facing severe judgment, from which America may not recover.
The Lord has called me as a watchman to give people warning when necessary, and that is my purpose for writing this.
Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin (Ezekiel 18:30b).
He That Has Ears To Hear, Let Him Hear??????.
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/10/2008 10:08:44 AM
YAWWN!!!!
There will be no judgement as there is no god.
Also nothing wrong is being done.
They are fetuses and embryos not babies and they have no rights. They are not yet true lives so there is no murder.
You have no standing to stand in judgement over anyone but yourself.
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Posted By: DavidHouston @ 10/29/2008 12:47:13 AM
In the third presidential debate Senator Obama made the claim that he would ban Partial Birth abortions if protection was given with regards to the health of the mother. This is an empty argument since the baby is killed after it has been 90% delivered and only its head is still in the womb. The mother's health is not in jeopardy for that last second it takes to deliver the baby. He is just being dishonest. Take a look at this video which goes into detail of the procedure.
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 10/29/2008 1:05:36 PM
Actually that is not true. According to all the OB-GYNs I know (9 of them, three of them specialists in high-risk pregnancies and deliveries and two of those renowned professors in Med schools) since the delivering the head can be the most physically stressful part of a delivery THAT part is exactly when the delivery is the most dangerous for the woman. His point is medically sound.
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Posted By: bojack27 @ 10/30/2008 9:52:53 AM
Ghost quit spitting out your rhetoric.... I have shown you that less than 1% of abortions perform in the United States was for the following.... rape, incest and health of the mother.... so your rhetoric is getting a little dull ... especially when you want to find information on those who want to perform abortions.... Also when you know that a person is going to be a high risk does this rule out C-section deliveries?
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 10/31/2008 8:48:48 AM
Bo,
I'll stick with trusting information from professionals (only one of whom actually performs abortions [in a hospital setting and only for patienits at serious risk]). A C-section can be a riskier procedure.
FYI, I do not approve of late-term abortions for any reason except the health of the mother.
But I also do not grant life-status to early term fetuses. They have no rights as far as I am concerned. Your tired old rhetortic to the contrary is getting old and boring too.
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Posted By: bojack27 @ 10/31/2008 3:24:22 PM
Ghost???.lol???believe it or not I like you???lol???. So you are friends with baby killers now? So tell me what is the percentage or stats that put the number higher? Show me and then I will tell you if you are stretching the truth or not???. But I guarantee you that it is not higher than 10% (and that is the highest rating that I would give you) which still leaves over 90% of abortions performed being unnecessary.
As for not granting life-status to early term fetuses, then why should you terminate the growth of it if it is not living then? Newsflash! It doesn???t matter if you grant them life-status, God has already done this???.you know the one that you don???t believe exist! It is so human of you not to approve of late term abortions???. Yet you fail to forget that all humans go through this cycle of growth???.-
Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 10/31/2008 8:36:01 PM
"So you are friends with baby killers now? "
Only one perroms abortions and she is a doctor not a "baby" killer.
"But I guarantee you that it is not higher than 10% (and that is the highest rating that I would give you) which still leaves over 90% of abortions performed being unnecessary. "
Since the 10% stat is not just late term (where a far higher number is for life and health reasons), but also first and second trimester procedures, it is not a "necessary" issue. It is a matter of choice and the women's right (especially first trimester procedures).
"As for not granting life-status to early term fetuses, then why should you terminate the growth of it if it is not living then?"
What I was saying is that since they are not lives, just cells, then the only issue is the woman's right to do with her uterus as she wishes. She is not terminating a life.
" It doesn???t matter if you grant them life-status, God has already done this???.you know the one that you don???t believe exist!"
Since he does not exist outside of the human imagination, only humans can grant life status..
"It is so human of you not to approve of late term abortions???."
Not at all. I said that aside from a woman's life or helth, that I see no valid reason for a woman to wait that long into her gestation to end it. But if her life or health is at risk, and if a C-Section or forced premature labor would put her life or health at greater risk than carrying to term or aborting, I know very few women who would terminate the pregnancy. I also know no doctor who would agree to do such a procedure purely for a non-desired birth . Yes I know they exist but I have never met one, and I can think of no valid medical reason for agreeing to do such a procdure sans health risk to the woman. And the doctor I mentioned before would refuse to do so. And the other OB-Gyns I know (who do not do the procdures) have refused to refer the three or four patients who asked for "conveneince" late term procedures. And according to the 9 I have talked to in the up to 40 years that some of them have been in practice they have only had one or tow patients in said situation ask. And i mean 3 or4 between the 9, not 3 or 4 each. Most of the 9 have never had a patient whose life was not at risk ask for an abortion and they have seen thousands of patients over the years. Now they have referrred many first term patients to doctors who do perform the very valid and legitimate medical procedure.-
Posted By: bojack27 @ 11/07/2008 4:46:29 PM
Only one performs abortions and she is a doctor not a "baby" killer.
Even Dr. Kevorkian claims to be a doctor and yet was an instrument of death??? just as your dear doctor friend is doing.
Since the 10% stat is not just late term (where a far higher number is for life and health reasons), but also first and second trimester procedures, it is not a "necessary" issue. It is a matter of choice and the women's right (especially first trimester procedures).
So you don???t dispute the other 90% that are doing abortions for selfish reasons???but want to dispute which percentage is perform in any given trimester??? you lost me on that on Ghost!
What I was saying is that since they are not lives, just cells, then the only issue is the woman's right to do with her uterus as she wishes. She is not terminating a life.
I wish you would look up words before you post Ghost. Live(s) means to have life ???intransitive verb to be alive???. Get it! Let???s take your word cells??? so are these dead cells or alive cells? Is it a bacteria or a normal growth process of a human being? If it is dead then by all means terminate it??? if it is not the normal growth process of a human being then define what it is with 100% accuracy and let it grow until it is fully produced. Is a woman doing something with her Uterus or with the life that is growing in her Uterus? Look up the words Ghost Uterus doesn???t mean fetus??? two different things we are talking about??? you are suppose to be a professor I???m sure you are smarter than this to give me the Uterus argument when a woman???s Uterus is not being aborted but what is inside is being
Since he does not exist outside of the human imagination, only humans can grant life status..
So you are saying that humans are the Cause for their own existence? That we brought our own existence into being, or are we a product of chance? I???m sure you are familiar with this argument and where it will lead to.. but humor anyway???
You seem to be arguing my point that it is less of the percentage than you have lead me to believe. Also these doctors that refuse are not going to be able to do this up under the new administration as soon as the pass new laws forcing doctors to perform ungodly abortions??? I would say that most will stop being doctors if their convictions are challenged???.-
Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/09/2008 8:17:24 AM
"Even Dr. Kevorkian claims to be a doctor and yet was an instrument of death just as your dear doctor friend is doing."
First off. death is not a negative thing. It s a natural part of life. The difference is that my frind is not killing a human being, she is just terminating a pregnancy. And personally, although soome of his methods were probleatic, Kevorkian was right. Everyone has a right to end ther own life at the time and manner of their own choosing (as long as siad manner puts no other person at physical risk).
So you don't dispute the other 90% that are doing abortions for selfish reasons"
I would argue that they are selfish reasons. Personal reasons yes, but not necessarily selfish.
"I wish you would look up words before you post Ghost. Live(s) means to have life ???intransitive verb to be alive???. Get it! Let???s take your word cells??? so are these dead cells or alive cells? Is it a bacteria or a normal growth process of a human being? If it is dead then by all means terminate it??? if it is not the normal growth process of a human being then define what it is with 100% accuracy and let it grow until it is fully produced."
That arguemnt is invalid. IT is a pre-life but not a real life. You can try semanics all you want but medically it is not a life yet.
" Is a woman doing something with her Uterus or with the life that is growing in her Uterus? Look up the words Ghost Uterus doesn???t mean fetus??? two different things we are talking about??? you are suppose to be a professor I???m sure you are smarter than this to give me the Uterus argument when a woman???s Uterus is not being aborted but what is inside is being "
I used exactly the words I meant to use. The fetus is not really relevant. It is simply attached to the woman's uerus. My point that she is entiteld to do with her body (her uterus) whatever she wants. The fetus has no rights compared to the woman (including her uterus).
Since he does not exist outside of the human imagination, only humans can grant life status..
So you are saying that humans are the Cause for their own existence? That we brought our own existence into being, or are we a product of chance? I???m sure you are familiar with this argument and where it will lead to.. but humor anyway???
You seem to be arguing my point that it is less of the percentage than you have lead me to believe. Also these doctors that refuse are not going to be able to do this up under the new administration as soon as the pass new laws forcing doctors to perform ungodly abortions??? I would say that most will stop being doctors if their convictions are challenged???.-
Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/09/2008 8:26:38 AM
I left out the rest of my post
"So you are saying that humans are the Cause for their own existence? That we brought our own existence into being, or are we a product of chance? I???m sure you are familiar with this argument and where it will lead to.. but humor anyway???"
It is not relevant to US law so it is not relevant to this discussion. Something starting the creative process doe sNOT mean it is god or still around. It does not mean that said creator has any say or power over the world today. That arguement actually leads nowhere problematic.
"Also these doctors that refuse are not going to be able to do this up under the new administration as soon as the pass new laws forcing doctors to perform ungodly abortions. I would say that most will stop being doctors if their convictions are challenged"
There is no evidence that doctors will ever be forced to perform abortions. All that will happen is that doctors who are afraid to do so know due to illegal state laws will no longer have to fear for their practices or lives so there will likely be a wash. Those that do not want to do the procedure will still be allowed to refuse (as long as they are open to their patients BEFORE the patient is mislead inmto thinkng that their doctor will perform it, amd as long as they do not try to harass their patients who want the procedure.). Those that want to will be protected from legal harrassment.
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Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 11/08/2008 12:41:31 AM
Krohn, the election is over...your side lost...go cry in your beer or better yet, get a life. There is absolutely no solid evidence to back your presumptions so it is time to get off the train.
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Posted By: AnAmericanForFreedom @ 11/05/2008 11:52:28 PM
thankfulmommyof2-- I wonder if you would feel that way if a man violently raped you and you were pregnant. I don't think your attacker would ask if you were on the pill or if you would like latex or lambskin condoms...Or that little 14 year old girl that would have died -no matter what-if she had carried her BROTHER'S child to term.. the man who raped her over and over.. she would never have children again.. She must have been irresponsible, not to make sure they were stocked on Trojans. Thank Goodness her mother and father got her the help she needed.
What if I inadvertently miscarry after binge drinking in the first month? Women never know unless they actively test every week. So please, don't rail against me because YOU haven't sought counseling for what is an obviously anguishing experience. I am sorry for your loss but don't make me pay for it. A true pro-lifer would be trying to get children who NEED homes all ready with their forever family. Before we start saving frozen embryos, let's save living children waiting, hoping, starving for love...
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Posted By: trina von d @ 11/05/2008 4:09:42 PM
Amen, phoenixrising. Anti-choice zealots only see things as black or white, and they never stop to consider the fact that women are equal human beings, with the RIGHT to make their own decisions. Before abortion was legal, it still happened--it just wasn't safe or sanitary and many horrific complications ensued.
If someone is anti-abortion, then fine--don't have one. But stop pushing your extremist views on everyone else.
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Posted By: phoenixrising @ 11/05/2008 3:28:18 PM
I'm absolutely revolted by the self-righteous ranting in these comments. I deny all of your assumptions - that all women are meant to have kids and should have as many as they can, that women are slaves to biology, that not having sex is the only 'righteous' way of not conceiving, that a mass of two dividing cells is 'life'. If you become pregnant and are wishing for kids, congratulations. But you have absolutely no consideration or compassion for women who are raped, who cannot carry children to term because of health conditions, for women who are very poor and can't say no to their significant others because of threats of physical violence. We all are aghast when a news story breaks about a woman leaving her infant in the trash, about a couple locking up their kids and abusing them, etc., so don???t we agree that not everyone should become parents? So I guess that women prone to gestational diabetes should never, ever have sex? That???s the definition of cold-hearted. You have a heart, so use it!
Step off your soapboxes and take a look at the world today. People have sex before getting married, despite your best efforts. It's because sex is a physiological drive like hunger or thirst, not something we can easily deny - have you ever tried starving yourself? So we all have sex. We need to educate everyone about the consequences and how to be protected. But let's face it - birth control is not 100% effective, even when multiple forms are used. So before you get all uppity and start judging women who use emergency contraception or who consider an abortion, think about the woman's life. You cannot know all the factors that contribute to an unplanned pregnancy, so how can you judge? To use your own words, GOD judges, not us. My stepsister became unexpectedly pregnant in high school, and the first words out of my very devout Catholic stepmother were, "Would you consider an abortion?" If you're not involved in the situation, you have absolutely NO right to judge. I deny that a mass of two dividing cells (or heck, even 10) is a life. If you believe that constitutes life, then consider cancerous tumors. By your own definition, they are life. And yet, we remove them from our bodies because of the harm they can do. And babies can harm women, even kill them. Lastly, you???re so obsessed with potential life to the point of ignoring real, actualized life and what it entails to take care of actualized life. Not every potential parent can provide the necessary resources to give a child the best quality of life, and yet you yell loudly that they should have the baby anyway. (And let???s not get into adoption, where a woman???s body is taken hostage by a parasite (look up the scientific definition) for 9 months.) I???d rather that all children born into families ready, willing and prepared to raise them.
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Posted By: thankfulmommyof2 @ 11/05/2008 12:51:26 PM
I agree w/the mother of 3 daughters! You nailed it girlfriend! I'm a mother of 2 amazing kids....our daughter is 4 and son almost 3!! We lost our first daughter at 23 weeks and while I was laying on my couch, bleeding half to death praying I wouldn't lose her...all I could think about were the heartless women who have abortions. I had to deliver her at home, by myself and as I was holding her.... crying my eyes out, I had so many emotions running through my mind and body that an undescribable anger came over me to even think of a woman that could live with herself by making the decision to have a partial-birth abortion or one in the beginning stages... Just looking at the daughter I just lost and WANTED so badly....this is what heartless women and Doctors KILL everyday across the world. To all you "so called" women out there who support pro-choice.........HERE'S YOUR CHOICE.....
DON'T HAVE SEX or USE PROTECTION!!! THAT'S THE ONLY CHOICE YOU SHOULD HAVE! Killing a fetus, who by the way, is considered a human life if it has a heartbeat.........YOU are considered a murderer just as if you went out and shot YOUR MOTHER! YOU should have to pay the same price as someone who goes out in the streets and takes a gun and kills someone! IT'S the SAME thing! If you are pro-choice, then why don't you ask that unborn child if they would like to live? They are a human being also! They have the same right to PRO-CHOICE as you do!!! OH! That's right! They can't speak yet....
I have had the honor to be a part in saving 2 amazing little boys from being aborted. One is my nephew and the other is my God-Son....I tried with all my heart for a 3rd baby and was too late....And by the way this particular friend REGRETS her decision. She often wonders what her life would've been like if she would'nt have made that tormenting decision....she said it's pure hell what your mind will do to you!
The evil governmental people who have made this legal should have to pay a price too! God gave you a brain USE IT!! The CHOICE is quite simple......
NO SEX or PROTECTION
Call me a RADICAL! Whatever.....I think it's pretty darn radical that people think they have the right to play God! Make no mistake...God has a plan for EVERY life and YOU don't have the right to take that away!
Don't kill anymore babys! I'm sure there will be plenty of judging comments fired back at me....but I don't care about those...I care about those precious little blessings in the tummies of you ladies who are thinking about killing your baby for whatever reason....My prayer for you is that you make the decision to experience motherhood and if you don't want to... YOU have other options!!!!!!! Give those wonderful families out there who can't have children the oppt. to raise these beautiful creations!! They want babies and can't have them and your killing the very ones that they so desperately desire to have!!! Just carefully consider your options!
Love and God Bless To All
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Posted By: thankfulmommyof2 @ 11/05/2008 12:09:41 PM
I agree with the last comment posted by the mother of 3 daughters! You nailed it lady!! I have 2 beautiful children, my daughter being 4 yrs and my son almost 3 yrs. I lost my first child at 23 weeks and was devestated. All I could think about were all of the crazy women who kill their unborn child, when I layed on my couch bleeding half to death trying not to lose my baby!!!!! And then having to deliver her all by myself.... at home and holding her in my arms....and thinking...this is what STUPID women kill in partial birth abortions........Talking about your world crumbling before your eyes! That was the worst day of my life!!!!!!!!!!! But, God blessed me and my husband with the most amazing children!
As for those so called women who believe in abortion... if you don't want a child, DON'T HAVE SEX! OR USE PROTECTION! THAT IS YOUR CHOICE! You don't have the RIGHT or CHOICE of killing an unborn child who oh by the way, ALSO HAS THE RIGHT TO A CHOICE TO LIVE........HELLO? I call women who have abortions... MURDERERS. If a fetus has a heartbeat, then it's a human life. Who are you to play God? You DON'T have the right to take a life!!!! And my belief is that YOU WILL PAY for the decisions you make!!
I have been blessed to play a part in saving two amazing little boys lives from being aborted!!! I fought for another and lost that battle. One is my nephew, one is now my God-Son and the other one that was lost...well lets just say she regrets it everyday and often wonders what her life could have been like... the torment that goes through your mind she said....knowing you took an innocent precious life that had the right to live, is pure HELL!
So I encourage anyone reading this blog...judge me if you want, I really don't care about the judgement.... I care about that beautiful baby being carried in your tummy and the blessing that I pray you'll get to experience. Please make the right choice since, obviously, we have very evil people in the government who think they are GOD, and make this act of evil legal.....Either don't have sex or use the proper protection! It's quite simple. God gave you a brain, USE IT!!
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Posted By: hello998 @ 10/18/2008 9:13:11 AM
Are there any MDs reading this?
WHEN WOULD AN ABORTION BE NEEDED OVER A C-SECTION FOR THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER????
1. I venture to say there is no time you would abort over C-Section for the life of the mother. The very nature of the procedure is to kill and not provide the opportunity for life.
2. Just as you do not have the right to take illegal drugs into your body, you should not have the right to kill someone else who happens to be growing in your body. You made your choice when you let the male organ into your body.
3. It is very unfortunate that rape/incest occurs, with that said, we all pay the consequences of others actions. It is not right that we should have to reap the consequences of others actions but that is life. Look at our economy, we are paying the consequence for irresponsible people taking loans out for things they cannot afford.
Abortion is only about unwanted babies. Don't let others fool you that it is the life of the mother at stake. Abortion has no intent to save the child, it is only to destroy life. Just as I don't have the right to take illegal substances, you don't have a right to destroy someone else's life. Just as you can go to jail for being an addict, you and your doctor should go to jail for destroying life.-
Posted By: hojo81 @ 10/18/2008 9:51:01 AM
When need this repeated over and over again until the young women of our country know this is the truth. "Abortion is about unwanted babies".
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Posted By: Jesus Lover 1225 @ 10/18/2008 10:08:46 AM
Sexual abstinence. Get rid of all of the emotional BS. Where are the parents role? What type of relationship does the child have with her parents? Do you think a happy child would go out and screw just to screw? Working with families well over 99% have a troubled marriage, or troubled relationship between child and parents. You can make it everyone elses problem (socieity). However, look back to the family unit and see the lack of support and love towards the daughter
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Posted By: samaria02 @ 11/05/2008 8:14:55 AM
I agree that abstinence is ideal. I have 3 daughters. The role of the parents particularly fathers is so very critical to daughters. My husband is very involved with his girls, he knows that he is the example of how men should treat women, loving their mother is first and foremost, providing the attention and care to each one of them in the way only their father can is the foundation to greatly reducing their need to be loved by a man any man because they have no real concept of their self worth, how precious they are as women. HOWEVER, abstaining is not the only option, it is the ideal one but should they choose otherwise we have both made it clear that they can talk to us (before hand) without fear of judgement but rather for guidance and if they are resigned to begin sexual activity, they MUST protect their health and future or all bets are off. Birth control and condomns ALL THE TIME EVERY TIME is now the focus. He wears a condom no matter what and she must be on birthcontrol that we as parents can help her choose and maintain. We will not work against our daughters, we have laid a strong secure foundation as to our religious beliefs, and overall family values BUT I would a million times over come to terms with my daughters choice to be a VIRGIN NO MORE then the choice (because none were offered) to become an teen mother, unwed, a statistic, with her entire life (as well as her families) destroyed because she was not given any alternative. Really, abortion is not an option, birth control is not an option, so if your going to have sex even though abstinence was your only available choice, then one must be resigned to having no choice, Lets reduce unwanted pregnancies resulting in abortion or futureless teen moms whose children become the casualty by teaching the value of waiting, self respect etc. in tandem with the ONLY OTHER ALTERNATIVE which should be sex ONLY WITH PROTECTION!!! It doesnt need to be sold in vending machines in jr high or passed out like candy in high school but it should be drilled into all those young heads that if you do choose to engage in sexual activity it is NOT an option without birthcontrol AND condomns, if the decision is being made or has been made to begin sexual activity there should be no cloud of shame in being responsible with that choice while protecting your body/health and future.
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Posted By: coldsilverain @ 10/18/2008 10:48:53 AM
So you are saying that women "deserve to go through with the pregnancy" if they are raped just because they "let the male organ into their body"? Great logic (sarcasticly). This logic sickens me.
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Posted By: onwisconsin66 @ 10/28/2008 1:27:32 PM
My first year of teaching, 20 years ago, I taught in a rural school in Arkansas. One day a 14 year-old girl came to me telling me that her father had impregnated her. She had told no one else, or at least no other adult. She was probably four months along when she had gone the night before to a bowling alley the next town over and picked a fight so that she would get beaten in the bathroom and lose the baby. She came to me the next morning in obvious distress, sweaty, pale, and sickly. She had indeed aborted the pregnancy. I, of course, reported the abuse and involved the school nurse and county authorities. The father was jailed, only to be let out again for insufficient evidence. I was just a beginning teacher then -- barely 22. I knew nothing about such things except that I was a mandated reporter. This was the first of many such incidences over the years, some involving fathers, some involving other family members, gang members, etc.
Later, my parents adopted a child who had been repeatedly raped by an older brother. Her biological parents abandoned her to the state in favor of the brother. Luckily there was no pregnancy. She was 11 at the time.
I can't imagine the callousness of the person who would have forced either of these children to bear a child from these incestual relationships. I don't know what happened to that 14 year-old from years ago but I know my sister still bears the scars from the abuse, even though she's had years of therapy and a good and loving home.
I'm pro-choice. I don't think I could have ever had an abortion; probably an unfair question given that I can't have kids due to cancer at a young age. But I have nieces and sisters and students and I cannot for the life of me take away their choices in life. Our bodies are our own. We are not doomed to procreate simply because something was done to us. Sometimes it just isn't about a bad decision -- rape happens, incest happens. And yes, sometimes bad decisions happen. I do not want to think of this as birth control. I want birth control to be good decision making, taking of the pill, condom use, abstinence, etc. But this has to be an option. It needs to be a rare occurence. WE need to get information out to young people so that they can make informed decisions so that abortion is RARE. But abortion should be between a woman and her doctor. PERIOD. -
Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/20/2008 11:07:13 PM
If you are talking about that woman in Utah who wanted a late term abortion because she was scared of a C-Section yu should read a little deeper. She was raised by a deeply religious family who told her that C-Sections were of the devil. She had serios mental issues and believe that the devil would steal her babies soul and the doctors would cut her from pubic bone to her abdomen and remove herorgans. So you can thank wacko religious for that one. It was that religion where they don't believe in medical assistance... one of those crazy ones.
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Posted By: Nins @ 10/18/2008 12:21:05 PM
There are many cases when abortion is preferable to a C-section when the intention is preserving the health of the mother. In late term abortions done because the mother is very ill, C-sections often are inappropriate because the mother can not always undergo anesthesia. C-sections harm the wall of the uterus and make it difficult for the woman to ever have a normal delivery in the future. C-sections carry risks of infection, accidental cutting of the bladder, bleeding and drug reactions. The post-op recovery time from a C-section is weeks, abortion recovery is just a few hours. Furthermore, abortion is much cheaper than C-section. Cost does matter.
And if your objection is that a life is being taken, it makes no difference, the life is taken either way. In cases where the fetus is viable but the mother is sick, the baby is delivered by C-section if that is possible without killing the mother. When the baby is in distress but the mother is well, C-section is used. But if the baby is not viable abortion is preferable to C-section in most cases.
Doctors don't just go around aborting late term babies because the mother decides at 24 weeks she doesn't want the baby. Mothers who discover after the first trimester that their baby is not viable are inconsolably sad. You want to make it so that every situation boils down into something you can use to prop up your opinions and beliefs. Life doesn't work that way.
In 20 years as a doctor I don't think I have ever had one woman who requested abortion do so without crying. To think that women make this decision casually or without a conscience is ridiculous.
And I have seen some tragic outcomes when women who needed abortions for medical reasons refused to get them for religious reasons. Very sad. Life is not all black and white. We need to be able to distinguish subtle shades of gray and therefore make informed decisions in our lives, rather than desperately clinging to our opinions regardless of reality.
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Posted By: jennyanydot @ 10/18/2008 9:26:12 AM
Tell the truth! Anyone can get a late term abortion, especially if they have money. I repeat, tell the truth.
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Posted By: nwsjnkie @ 10/18/2008 12:08:32 PM
Those teen mothers who go into the high school bathroom and try to kill their unborn child with a coat hanger and die did it to themselves. They should have to run that risk if they are so callous and selfish. You can't fault the system for the poor choice of that teen mother. There have been many murderers who are so passionate about their cause they have risked their own lives. The girl who takes that coat hanger into the bathroom is not committing infanticide to save her own life, but her social life. And your example about the rape victim is a horrible scenario, and not the fault of the mother, but to kill a life merely because it came from an unwanted sexual act is immoral. You are punishing the wrong person by killing the baby???the baby was a victim too, since it will be born without a good father. Sexual immorality and murder are the worst sins because the sinner elevates himself above God by saying he will decide when life comes and when life goes. You say, "Judge not lest ye be judged"--how far are you willing to take that statement out of context? Would be satisfied to let someone to come into your home and kill your three children without government becoming involved? Obviously not. The quote from the bible you took out of context really means, ???Judge with righteous judgment so you will be judged to be righteous??? and not ???Don???t speak out against sin??? or else all the Apostles and prophets would be in hell for judging entire nations, customs, traditions, and sinners. Society has an obligation to protect those who are the victims of crime and punish the criminal. Come on. What a silly argument. The only possible valid point you may have made is that abortion might be allowable if the mother's life is at stake and the decision is not a matter of risk management or convenience, but which life the doctors should save. Triage is not murder. Your point about old chemo patients not receiving treatment is stupid because abortion involves killing life while chemo does not. They are not on the same playing field.
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Posted By: Always Ari @ 11/04/2008 10:49:48 PM
I very strongly agree with you. Rape is not an exception for abortion. I dont think that killing an innocent child is the right way to deall with rapists. The child canalways be put up for adoption.
To those of you who say the child will beabused, bullied, and bounced around from home to home if they are put up for adoption. That it would be the lesser of the evils to have an abotion. I very strongly disagree. If the mother is responsible enough, and doesn't want the child to be tossed around from home to home, their are many social workers who will find couples willing to adopt your child, all before the child is born. They find people wiling to adopt, and you meet with them and choose who you think would be best suited to raise your child.
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Posted By: blueeden @ 11/05/2008 7:46:27 AM
I does have to be a choice, it does not have to be yours but you nor anyone else should be able to take away my ability to choose. Every woman who has had an abortion will have to live with that choice, plain and simple. If you do not believe it should ever be an option then dont have one, that is YOUR choice, but you still have the CHOICE. Yours is best for YOU.
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Posted By: blueeden @ 11/05/2008 7:45:09 AM
I does have to be a choice, it does not have to be yours but you nor anyone else should be able to take away my ability to choose. Every woman who has had an abortion will have to live with that choice, plain and simple. If you do not believe it should ever be an option then dont have one, that is YOUR choice, but you still have the CHOICE. Yours is best for YOU.
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Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/20/2008 11:03:14 PM
Oh I see you think that teen mothers deservce to die. You are talking about living CHILDREN!!! Well moron if she does the fetus dies. So you only care about the unborn? Others deserve to die? So you are selective when it comes to saving people? Oh you don't give a hoot about the living mothers but you care about a fetus that can't live without the moth. They did it to themselves because of sickos like you. YOu are the sickest piece of trash and you disgust me.
They deserve it!! They don't even understand what they are doing! You are sick and going to hell if you think that. What bible did you read, HIgh on Sanctimonious Bull Sh*t! Why don't you care about living? What are you doing for the unwanted chidlren in state run children homes?
BTW Jesus totally boed Mary Magdelan... orh yah it says it in the bible that yousupossedly read they "knew" eachother. oh and don't be so bitter about sexual immorality you pig, just because noone ever wanted to touch you! Sorry b*tch*s like you didn't get asked to the prom so the pretty girls deserve to die. You are sick! Disgusting piece of trash.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/18/2008 12:18:29 PM
"Those teen mothers who go into the high school bathroom and try to kill their unborn child with a coat hanger and die did it to themselves. "
And the unborn baby dies too.
If you *genuinely* care about the fetus, what makes that any more "okay" than an abortion?
Except that the mother dies too...
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Posted By: Jesus Lover 1225 @ 10/18/2008 10:10:02 AM
Yes, it is the poor who go to the back alleys and hurt themselves.
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Posted By: redbloodedamericangirl @ 11/05/2008 1:28:19 AM
Women do and always have had other options, but they choose abortion because they do not want the pregnancy, let alone the child. As for birth control--too much trust is placed in it. I agree that abstinence-only is not practicable, but the bottom line is that abstinence is the only truly reliable means of both preventing pregnancy and STDs, and that point must be made in any health lesson. I think people are kidding themselves that teenagers can be expected to responsibly and assiduously use birth control methods available to them, since even older women do not show that much care in their sexual conduct--as the Guttmacher statistics bear out. Until society faces up to the reality of sexual irresponsibility and its consequences, I am afraid abortion will remain as common as it is--tragically.
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Posted By: lilliana28 @ 11/04/2008 4:50:58 AM
provide these women with OTHER options (YES!!! OTHER OPTIONS) such as adoption or prenatal care.....
I agree that abortion is preventable in most cases by using the appropriate birth control method.. but let's see.... there are actually some people who support an abstinence-only cirriculum in schools, for example. It would be ideal that teenagers would wait until they are adults to have sex, but it would be irresponsible of us to actually expect this to happen with every teenager on Earth!
I'd also like a copy of McCain's medical degree and his medical training in Obstetrics and Gynecology..... until then someone needs to give him his medication and remind him that he is a Senator and not a Medical Doctor!
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Posted By: Krohn @ 11/02/2008 10:59:38 PM
The Wall Street crisis was planned the night of Obama's meeting at Bill Ayres home to put Obama in The White House. Together they put a beautiful plan into place.
This Strategy was first elucidated in the 1966 issue of 'The Nation' Magazine by a pair of radical Socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven.
David Horowitz summarizes it as:
"The strategy of forcing political change through an orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of Capitalism by overloading the Government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
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Obama begin with ACORN by funneling millions into their organization. He then trained ACORN to stage protests in banks to force them to issue risky loans or they would be threatened to face racial charges. ACORN was trained to intimidate financial institutions into giving ???Ninja??? loans to people with NO assets, NO job and NO income, who couldn???t afford these loans.
That caused the housing bubble two years ago it was by ACORN's actions they were able to destroy our credit system.
As this played out, D-Barney Frank and D-Chris Dodd were able to cover up the millions of improvident loans to these bad risky house buyers. And Barney Frank and his chums successfully were able to block all of President Bush's attempts to put a rein on this problem.
So Fannie & Freddie was forced to purchase all these failed subprime mortgages.
Then both Frank and Dodd denied that there were any problems, and refused the Bush Admin. requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and they were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost up to the 'minute they failed'.
Democrats then blamed Bush saying it happened on his watch knowing it would hurt the Republican Party in the election setting it up that Barack Obama could use this to his advantage.
Karl Marx once compared a Revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface.
Barack Obama is that Marxist mole !-
Posted By: MICKYmouse @ 11/04/2008 12:28:22 AM
wow, can I get some of what your are smoking? must be good sh*t
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Posted By: MICKYmouse @ 11/04/2008 12:25:26 AM
ok, your not gonna like this....
You do have a choice, it is called birthcontrol.
If you choose to drink and drive, you take responsiblity for your actions if you get pulled over. Simple
If you coose to have sex without protection, same deal. take responsibility.
And floridacadman, it cracks me up people that are like save the walesa nd puppies and kittiesa nd then likge kill that evil baby, shove a thing in its head and suck out its brain.
that said, if someone feels the need to have an abortion for having unprotected sex I would not stop them, but I reserve the right to think of them as irraesponsible and stupid, just like drunk drivers.
I think it is also funny how the US subsidizes poor womens childern, while encouraging rich ones to abort at will.
I was friends with two women that had children for the ADC/Welfare and had a full time husband that of course never stayed the night.(right)
Yea they had a choice too.....
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Posted By: dahbch @ 11/03/2008 10:55:28 PM
I don't know what dickhead came up with the term "pro-abortionist" but as a mom who had her first son at 19 and remained a single mom for 6 years, I don't appreciate being called one on national t.v. by McCain. I am proudly pro-choice. If I were pregnant with a Down's baby or any baby, I would have that child. I don't see why Palin gets points for NOT having an abortion. What part of CHOICE don't they understand.
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Posted By: floridacadman @ 11/03/2008 10:44:51 AM
These republicans crack me up. 1st, Its none of your damn business what my wife does with her body, especially since most of you have never adopted a minority baby. 2nd, you want to save a fetus yet hand an 18y old child a gun to go get killed for a people thatd cut every one of your throats for the change in your pockets, if that isent the definition of NUTS, I dont know what is.
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Posted By: C. MacLean @ 11/01/2008 10:07:30 PM
So John McCain is a doctor now, one who is uniquely qualified to determine the health of a mother? Didn't know they taught obstetrics at Anapolis.
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