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  • Posted By: meggs82 @ 10/17/2008 9:10:18 PM

    Do the 56 percent of Americans who support abortion if the pregnancy puts the woman's mental health at risk not realize that having an abortion actually creates more mental health disturbances than carrying and delivering the baby? I find it curious that there is so little reported on the mental health disturbances in women who have had abortions. As a mental health professional, I feel it is important for men and women to understand the physical and emotional consequences of risky behaviors including abortion.

  • Posted By: grej @ 10/17/2008 9:08:02 PM

    I have known people to travel the back roads of the earth and spend what some would
    consider outrageous sums of money to adopt a child because they as a couple could not
    conceive and there were no babies available in the states for them to choose.

  • Posted By: Hawayana @ 10/17/2008 9:05:36 PM

    rdaffron, I think I agree with you now, i need to take a stand one way or the other...So right here and now I'm taking the stand that the government should be neutral in all things, but not only in abortion, but also in murder, rape, robbery, pedophilia, kidnapping, etc. In fact, teenage girls who throw their newborns in the garbage should not be penalized for that choice including soldiers who kill innocent women and children. Nobody should be penalized. We'll all have freedom of choice in everything and let God be the judge.

  • Posted By: VTEKwomen27 @ 10/17/2008 6:44:53 PM

    I would agree that American women are selfish. Abortion is the easy way out and saying that it is your body, your choice is ridiculous!!! How many couples can't have children and would die to adopt a baby? Thousands! Abortion is taking the life of an innocent, defenseless baby...and under no circumstance should be allowed. As a women myself I'm all about womens rights, but how can we have the right to murder a baby? It's absurd. Make all the excuses you wish, as all you pro choice women choose to do, abortion is the most disgusting and heartless thing anyone could go through. Good luck living with that on your conscious for the rest of your life!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: rdaffron @ 10/17/2008 9:03:02 PM

      I would say you need to walk in other's shoes before you make your remarks. What about 11, 12, 13, etc year old victims of rape/incest? What about rape victims? Would you deny THEM the necessity of an ABSOLUTE LEGAL medical procedure that is their right to in the first place? Abortion should never EVER be used as a birth control method. Condoms are too inexpensive and too plentiful. However, victims of the above crimes, as well as those in a medical harm's way have the RIGHT to a safe and LEGAL medical procedure. As for others, that's a RIGHTFUL PRIVATE and LEGAL decision between them, the woma's doctor and her God (or whomever). It is nobody else's business, PERIOD.

  • Posted By: grej @ 10/17/2008 9:02:29 PM

    Nins @ 10/17/2008

    "Even though I am a Catholic who is against abortion, I can see the dangers of the highest court in the land interpreting the law through narrow eyes. This can't be good for America. Why not let the Protestants, the Jews or the Baptists control the Supreme Court? That sounds pretty ridiculous, doesn't it? Or how about the Buddhists (they might actually be more impartial). Perhaps we should hand over the Supreme Court to a Muslim majority? That would make us all scream, wouldn't it? Having a conservative Catholic majority is just as bad, if you stop to think about it."

    ***************************************
    The Supreme Court came within ONE vote of taking away our unfettered CHOICE to own a gun.
    Had Mr Obama been president and nominated is own type of Supreme Court justices...

  • Posted By: MChieco @ 10/17/2008 9:02:22 PM

    Abortion is an issue of morality. If you are looking to politicians for morality, you are looking in the wrong direction.

  • Posted By: catspajamas4 @ 10/17/2008 7:41:26 PM

    Why can't people just mind their own damn business? Whatever decision you make regarding YOUR BODY is between YOU and GOD.....no one else.

    • Posted By: Trottwood @ 10/17/2008 8:59:56 PM

      What about the baby's body? Why don't you let it live long enough to speak and tell you if it wants to be killed?

    • Posted By: Ang-i-la @ 10/17/2008 8:03:47 PM

      You, God and your Dr.

    • Posted By: Ang-i-la @ 10/17/2008 8:03:24 PM

      The Church of Jesus Chris of Latter-Day Saints (also known as the Mormon church) is not affiliated nor does it have association with the Fundamentalist LDS church other than a very distant history. The leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints have repeatedly spoken out against abuse of any kind, especially to children. Please get your facts straight.

  • Posted By: general knowledge @ 10/17/2008 8:58:41 PM

    I am a woman who has opposed abortion all her life. Ask anyone if it's okay to kill a baby right after being born, what would they say? Yes, it's fine, no big deal? Or would there be outrage to that answer? It's outrageous to think that a baby should be killed because it is too inconvenient. Just think of all the babies that are being adopted out of China for decades. At least there is a program there to help those mothers give their children a better life. The alternative is death.

  • Posted By: btyrybon @ 10/17/2008 8:04:44 PM

    Three points:

    1) 1.4% of 1,300,000 abortions is still 18,200 late-term abortions per year in the U.S. For comparison, about 15,000 to 18,000 people die of AIDS each year in this country.

    2) As for partial-birth abortion vs late-term abortion, what other type of late-term abortion exists?

    3) Why do people who call themselves "pro-choice" only allow for two choices: either the baby dies or the mother dies? What about a case where the mother's life/health is at risk, but she doesn't want to kill her child? What choice is she offered? You'd think our medically advanced society might by now have come up with some way to make childbirth safer. We're audacious enough to try to cure cancer, AIDS, and other seemingly incurable diseases and disorders, but we can't seem to come up with a way to make childbirth, one of the most natural, common, and necessary processes of life, safer?

    • Posted By: artemis8 @ 10/17/2008 8:26:14 PM

      Are you that stupid? Hello! Childbirth has become much more safe thanks to our medically advance society. And yes, science continues to try and make it safer. In case you hadn't noticed, AIDS, cancer, and 'other seemingly incurable diseases' have not yet been cured. You seem to think that medical scientists have cured all these things, but choose to keep the info to themselves, all so they can keep allowing people to die and women to have abortions. Women who's live may be at stake do have a choice. They can choose to go ahead with the pregnancy and take the risks associated with doing so. There are many women that do. Some women live, some die, some babies live, some die. Sometimes both live and sometimes both die. However, it was the woman's CHOICE.

      • Posted By: Trottwood @ 10/17/2008 8:56:38 PM

        I'm so proud of you for letting your daughter live! Thank you! I'm sure she thanks you as well.

    • Posted By: MizAmethyst41 @ 10/17/2008 8:35:18 PM

      When I was pregnant 21 years ago, I ended up with a serious medical emergency. I was admitted to the closest neo-natal unit, and remained there for three months until my baby was born 5 weeks early. When I was first admitted to the hospital, three specialists approached me and gave me all kinds of dire statistics about the possibility that I would die or that my baby would be born deformed, diseased, or suffer from some horrible disorder. The docs told me they would give me three days to think about undergoing a "therapeutic abortion." I told them I didn't need three days to think about it. My answer was:" We're going to do everything we can to have this baby!" So, the doctors closely monitored me and did everything that needed to be done to keep my healthy and my baby alive.

      When my daughter was born, she was perfect. There were no deformities, or any other infirmity, and I was still alive. Fortunately, the doctors' predictions were erroneous and my daughter is a happy, healthy adult, and I was able to go on to have two more children.

      My example demonstrates that the doctors can often give their best guess, but it doesn't mean that they're always right. Luckily for me, I was cared for very well and was monitored very closely. I understand that not all women are so fortunate, and everyone needs to use their best, personal judgement. Personally, I don't believe in abortion unless there is irrevocable proof that the mother could die or could suffer life-long debilitating effects of going through to term... and in the case of rape/and or incest. Abortion is not, and should not be, a form of birth control. Unborn babies are live little beings with a heartbeat. How can anyone stop that heartbeat without a compelling enough reason is beyond me. :(

  • Posted By: gaelgirl @ 10/17/2008 8:51:33 PM

    On par with today's average "journalist", you missed hte point. McCain's point was the risk of "the mother's health" is used to justify abortion - in cases where it makes no sense...as in Barack Obama's "Born Alive" Bill or his Partial Birth Abortion stance. It simply makes no sense! A mother is more at risk, if you SAVE the child that survived the abortion?! HOW!? Or, a mother is more at risk if you DON'T partially deliver a baby and then stab it in the head with a 12inch blade?! How?!: The abortion fraud has been foisted upon women for too long, and we women need to fight this horrible and vile "culture". It is not a "right"; it is a scam. In the 60s, feminists decided that the only way to gain and keep access to the men's world was to "be like the men". This meant dressing like them (remember the 80's DressForSuccess suits?), looking like them, talking like them, acting like them, and trying to think like htem. The ultimate equality with the man was the Denial of the Uterus. Get pregnant? No problem...cut it out, gone, see? Just like the men again. Well, empowered and successful women of today understand that they no longer have to be "just like the men". We can dress with heels, lipstick and skirts - and still be taken seriously. We can all feminne emotion, compassion, nurturing to come through at work, and still keep our jobs. We are working mothers, and we are mothers of kids with special needs, and we can still have our work! Nothing is more counter to a woman's biology. her destiny, than harming her own child. Mothers would die for their children. Trying to convince a mother that the ability to off her own baby is some kind of "right" is twisted, vile, and corrupt logic.

  • Posted By: AlexParsnips @ 10/17/2008 8:45:48 PM

    I notice many people talk about what women "want" during pregnancy, as if the woman is the only person being affected by the "choice." I wonder how many of those people are thoughtful enough to consider that the baby deserves a right to life. Or are they just "not people" who don't deserve a chance at life? Sorry guys, but we've heard that argument before. We heard it regarding the Native Americans... and the blacks... and the Jews... and the Russian civilians. Enough is enough.

  • Posted By: Historian of Religion @ 10/17/2008 8:45:29 PM

    Let's not forget that McCain voted against Biden's efforts to establish protections for abused women. Let's not forget that Palin refused to pay for rape kits. Possibly in her case this was because rape kits use DNA techniques similar to the ones that show that over 98% of the three billion base pairs of human DNA are the same as chimpanzees. But more likely it is because she wants to brutalize raped women by keeping them from using Plan B. Perhaps what McCain and Palin want is the kind of brutal laws that Pentecostals like Palin and other ultra-right-wing Christians forced into place in El Salvador. Their impact has been summarized in the report "Persecuted" (2000), which is summarized by the Center for Reproductive Rights thus: "The report shows that a year and a half after El Salvador's new abortion law took effect in 1998, 69 cases involving illegal abortions had been brought before courts. Most involved poor, under-educated, young women who self-induced abortions by using clothes hangers, ingesting very high doses of birth control pills, antacids, caustic liquids or cytotec pills. In 23 of the cases, hospital personnel turned the women over to police after they arrived for medical treatment following incomplete abortions. . . . The law criminalizes abortion without exception, even to save the life of the pregnant woman or in cases of rape or incest." The result is that even women obtaining abortions face prison terms of up to 12 years. Just what the kind and compassionate people like McCain and Palin want, apparently. Brutalize the woman by raping her and then brutalize her by tempting her to have a back-alley illegal abortion that sends her to the hospital anyway, where her crime will be discovered so that she afterward can be sent to prison and brutalized more.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/16/2008 11:54:07 PM

    Oh...doctors would use "mental Health" as an excuse to murder the innocent...Better do a REAL fact check...Forgotten Dr George Tiller??? Made famous when exposed on O'Reilly??? Spin it all you want...it is way to common...and is Nazi Style MURDER...and Hussein Obama wants all restrictions removed.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: MizAmethyst41 @ 10/17/2008 8:37:30 PM

      Oh brother!

      If a woman is raped or is the victim of incest, then mental health certainly comes into play. No question about it.

    • Posted By: gsgram @ 10/17/2008 5:34:50 PM

      Please explain something to me. I have a physical condition which would mean if I got pregnant (as it sometimes happens on birth control), the fetus would die within the first 4 or 5 months--never would be viable. Why does anyone else feel they have the right to demand I carry this doomed fetus until it dies in utero? This is not fantasy. I've already had one baby die because of this.

    • Posted By: momnotmrs @ 10/17/2008 2:09:01 PM

      Okay, Pops, you know you're not allowed to use the computer. I'll bet you haven't taken your meds today. And you really must calm down before you see the doctor. You don't want any more ECT, do you? Why don't you just put on this little jacket and go with the nice orderly to your room?

    • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 9:19:29 AM

      #1-his first name is obama, hes not a muslim terrorist or an evil dictator thats going to blow up america.
      #2-dont mention Oreilly, hes a moron and has been discredited by opening his ultra right wing mouth
      #3-this is the 21st century, we are traveling to other planets, mapping the stars, regenerating human tissue, making test tube babies, cloning, and created nuclear warfare. get you head out of the dark ages.... if the mother dies, the baby dies, if the baby dies, the mother lives to have another child that you want to save so badly.

      every post i have ever seen you write you spout off nonsense

      • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 11:33:06 AM

        Great now you've let the secret out! We almost had complete world domination.... Oh well better luck in 2012

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 10:23:03 AM

        sorry...correction: last name obama, first name barrack, MIDDLE NAME hussein

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/17/2008 10:49:14 AM

      Well, Roller, you know us liberals. We can hardly wait for the chance to go out there and kill a baby under false pretenses, at which point we drink its blood.

      Then we go meet with some Islamic terrorists to discuss how the liberal media alliance can best repress all the Christians, after which we pray to Mecca. We buy a few foreign cars so Detroit will collapse faster, then expedite the delivery of Chinese food products to red-state public schools. We discuss how much faster we can encourage secessionist movements. Then we go hold pagan orgies where we all sleep with each other so there are even more of us to continue the war against Christmas, and it's a full day.

    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/17/2008 3:14:29 AM

      HolyRoller would rather that mothers die in childbirth because it is God's way.

      HolyRoller also believes in drilling holes in one's head to evacuate the evil spirits. And the veracity of phrenology. And that people get sick from vapors and bad humours. And that the Earth revolves around the sun.

      Such is HolyRoller's grasp of science and logic.

  • Posted By: mother of six @ 10/17/2008 8:36:42 PM

    I would like to say that I agree w/Senator McCain. I work in the health care field and see MANY M.D.'s make decisions based on what the patient WANTS, not what is good for their health. So the descretion of the M.D. makes it too broad and I think they should have to have the agreement of @ least 3 M.D.'s that it would put the woman's health @ risk in order for it to be done!

  • Posted By: tinme @ 10/17/2008 8:33:43 PM

    I think McCain is spot on. Let's be real here. The Supreme Court "... allows abortion under any circumstance because the Supreme Court has defined 'health' to mean a general feeling of well being or age or familial conditions or psychological factors." THAT CAN MEAN ANYTHING!! Think about just how broad that definition of "health" is! A "general feeling of well-being"??? When you are 8 months pregnant, you never have a total feeling of well-being, so really any woman who is in her third trimester could get a late-term abortion under this "health exception". I think McCain is absolutely right when he used the air quotes. I don't think it was the smartest thing to do in a debate, but as for what he was trying to get across, he was correct.

  • Posted By: mother of six @ 10/17/2008 8:33:41 PM

    I would like to say that I agree w/Senator McCain. I work in the health care field and see MANY M.D.'s make decisions based on what the patient WANTS, not what is good for their health. So the descretion of the M.D. makes it too broad and I think they should have to have the agreement of @ least 3 M.D.'s that it would put the woman's health @ risk in order for it to be done!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 4:41:27 PM

    If a pregnant woman falls victim to a violent crime...and...the unborn child dies....

    SHOULD...the perpetrator be charged with either manslaughter or murder??? If so...WHY???

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: shorty22 @ 10/17/2008 8:32:25 PM

      You bring up a good point. A question that has no easy answer. The laws verry state to state. It would be attempted murder of the mother and potentaly a charge if there was an intent to kill the fetis. Would any verdict help the greif of that mother? I think not . A debate for another day.

    • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 4:51:31 PM

      Who's more radical than Holyroller and Jim Johnson? And why?

      Anne Coulter because she write books about being absolutely nutters!

  • Posted By: KeepinItReal @ 10/17/2008 8:01:10 PM

    A popular pro-choice comment: "If you don't like abortion, don't have one."
    Response: "If you don't want to be a mother, don't become pregnant."

    • Posted By: artemis8 @ 10/17/2008 8:30:27 PM

      So it's a woman's fault if she's fertile and gets raped and becomes pregnant? Nice...blame the victim.

  • Posted By: benluclar @ 10/17/2008 8:08:59 PM

    There is just no way anyone in this country can criticize Obama for anything at all. He is black and he is protected from every statement that has and will ever come out of the mouths of anyone at all for the next four years.
    I think we should just all stay home on election day. This is no contest.
    A black guy can call me a honkie or whitey, but I HAVE to say ''African American''.
    Enough of this garbage. I will just turn off all sitcoms with black people, all sports games with black people, all music shows with black people.......
    I have really had this nonsense stuffed down my throat until it has created hate where there formerly was none.

    • Posted By: youngandhopeful @ 10/17/2008 8:14:57 PM

      Funny. I thought this article was about McCain and a comment he made about abortion which affect WOMEN not Obama? Or did I miss something. Seriously let go of the hate it is not worth it- realize that there are good, bad and in between people everywhere in the world regardless of religion, race, gender etc. And not every person who is African American (or Indian or Asian) tries to one up the white man- seriously offending comment you have there- for people of every race and skin color.

      • Posted By: MizAmethyst41 @ 10/17/2008 8:26:17 PM

        Sounds to me as though someone not only took a cranky pill, but is also unabashedly and horribly racist.

    • Posted By: seamonkey1 @ 10/17/2008 8:25:20 PM

      What a PIG!!! Grow up...and please do stay home on November 4th. I am a white man too, and if an intelligent man of color can make you feel less of a white man just by speaking truths...you are not much of a MAN at all!!!

  • Posted By: SmudgesMom @ 10/17/2008 7:10:57 PM

    This Christian woman believes abortions should be safe legal and rare. It's not for me to judge.

    • Posted By: changeisgonnacome @ 10/17/2008 8:20:24 PM

      Comment: I am a Christian as well, and I am also pro choice. People can judge me and call me whatever, but the only person who can judge me is God. Of course pro-life people talk about giving children up for adoption but there many children are caught in the system or are adopted by unfit people who pose as good parents. The women carrying these babies may not want their unborn child to be caught in a system like that. People say teach children to abstain from sex until marriage, but let's be real... they are doing it. Some are responsible and use condoms and birth control (if available to them). But things happen...there are women who can get pregnant even on BC, o the condom can break...all accidents, but it has to be left up to the person carrying the child. Although I support pro-choice, I am against using abortions as birth control. As for the mental health of a woman who is pregnant and may not want the child...it can be a valid criteria for the procedure if their dr. deems it fit. Some of you can remember women on the news who are arrested for killing their babies once they have given birth in an alley, etc...what would have happened to the woman if she was evaluated first for mental health issues. When a woman who is expecting finds out that she is with child, many things go on in her head that no one else knows of. It is between her and her doctor and maker...NO i am not saying that God is okay with this, but if the woman goes through with it and seriously changes her life for the better, asks for forgiveness and such, whose to say what her maker will think...not us! In essence anything that we do to our bodies, should be left up to the person who is in charge of our bodies...not the government who wants to control what we do with ourselves. Oh by the way if God gave us free will to make our own choices, why are people trying to take that away form us. P.S. - Whatever the decision is made about our own health and well-being, we are the ones who have to live with it, not anyone else.

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