'Health' of the Mother

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  • Posted By: jebachman @ 10/17/2008 7:34:08 PM

    I read through many of the post after I made my earlier comment. One of them said there are never any medical reasons to have an abortion. Unfortunately, they are mistaken. The baby had a defect with its bones. I do not know what it is called, but the fetus would never fully develop and at birth, its bones would break. These broken bones could severely injure , even kill my wife during birth and since there would be so much damage to the baby, he/she would never live more than one day. Obviously, we were hearbroken, but we had no choice to terminate the pregnancy. I do not wish this decision on anyone, but who do you want making this decision? The woman and her doctor, or some politcal appointee. Please, I should not have to go further. I know I will be called all sorts of names, but I guess I am pro-life. You see, I am the proud father of 5 children, (all with my wife) and I am a proud supporter of Roe v. Wade.

    • Posted By: youngandhopeful @ 10/17/2008 7:37:48 PM

      People should not judge your shoes unless they have walked in them. I am sorry that you and your family went through such a painful and heartbreaking situation, and am proud of your courage to share your story to help enlighten people who want to look at this in black and white- (yes or no) because that is simply not the way that life is. Congrats on the five children you have, which I am sure you cherish deeply.

  • Posted By: CMJNM @ 10/17/2008 7:37:42 PM

    Everyone knows that its true that a women can use any 'health' issue to do a late-term abortion. Including 'mental duress' of having a child. Anything goes. McCain was absolutely right using the quotation.

  • Posted By: PatriotUSA @ 10/17/2008 6:21:27 PM

    Just another stab from the baby killers and newsweek. This is such a far left publication and you are so in the tank for OBUMA, it is really sad. Obuma's stand on abortion is quite clear as his track record on voting for baby killing 'rights" is well evidenced throughout his "political career", if you can call it that. Just more socialist, government intervention into our lives. No thanks, and if you left wing nuts think it has bad under Bush, just wait.. it can and will get worse. Obuma and his cronies like Ayers, Raines and other ilk will tax us to death and obuma's plans will leave us weaker and far more vulnerable to the attacks from islamofacism here inside the USA. If you want to be socialist, go move to Europe. The Democratic died along tome ago as di the Republican party. No wonder Reagan bailed out away from the democwimps.

    • Posted By: Terri20 @ 10/17/2008 6:40:26 PM

      Government intervention is you trying to make laws (i.e. the government) telling me what I can and can't decide. You are a hypocrite.

  • Posted By: gozo @ 10/17/2008 7:37:37 PM

    Obama does not have an extreme abortion position. Apparently the repblicans think it is OK that we are ranked 29th in child mortality.....so is it OK to go full term with a pregnancy only to have the infant die due to social neglect? Isn't that more extreme? Obama is not pro abortion, Obama is pro Supreme Court decision to a woman's right to privacy.....how extreme!!!!!

  • Posted By: pagepeople @ 10/17/2008 7:36:41 PM

    I really don't think an all out outlaw of abortion is what we're discussing here either. A newborn baby isn't a fully developed person either. Abortion they way it is currently it's used too loosely in this modern age. Not many of the friends I know who have had them have had their life at 'risk'. Many women choose it as a form of birth control...and believe me the mental anguish they suffer goes on for years. As far as constituting valid logic, how would we feed everyone?? Now there's a selfish person! You think population control is the way to conserve food, and our welfare dollars?? Are we living in China?? Yes, true another Hitler could be born, but also maybe an Einstein that would solve our 'food' problems. Believe me, we are all already suffering together whether you want to admit it or not.

  • Posted By: SouthSideD @ 10/17/2008 6:09:27 PM

    If you don't believe in abortion, then don't have one. But don't take away a woman's right to chose what she does with her body and with her life because of your beliefs. It's ignorant to think that abortion is the "easy way out." Truly for many it is just the opposite. The majority of women who go through with the procedure do so because they know they won't be able to give that child a decent life. Or even give it proper medical care prior to being born. Perhaps the woman was raped and became pregnant from that. Would you want to be constantly reminded of the most foul moment of your life?

    Here's a challenge for you, and for all who believe we should get rid of abortion. Next week, go to an abortion clinic and instead of waving your little posters and trying to disgust everyone, go up to one of the scared women entering the clinic, offer to pay their medical bills throughout their pregnancy, and then adopt that child and give it a life worth living.

    Until you are ready to do that, don't preach to anyone else what decisions they should make.

    • Posted By: KeepinItReal @ 10/17/2008 7:36:03 PM

      If a person does not feel as though they can give a child a decent life, maybe they should consider making the choice of not having sex until they are in the position to deal with the possible outcome. Go without sex? Are you nuts? Reminds me of the SNL skit with Steve Martin "Don't Buy What You Can't Afford." We can't expect people to use common sense!

      And I think I will go to an abortion clinic and ask these questions: 1. Do you know that sex can result in pregnancy? 2. Do you use birth control? 3. Do you value life? 4. When are you planning to have sex again?

      According to Planned Parenthood more than 1 out of 3 American women have an abortion by the time they are 45 years old. Other resources state that approximately 1% are attributed to health reasons, rape, or incest. When did we obtain these cold, calleous values?

    • Posted By: BaaBaa Woolrich @ 10/17/2008 7:05:21 PM

      Many do...how about you?

  • Posted By: deborahglennrogers @ 10/17/2008 6:36:17 PM

    Anyone who would belittle or dismiss concerns about a woman's health and the NECESSARY exemptions on such grounds in anti-abortion laws (anti-women and pro-women's slavery, in and of themselves) has clearly labeled themselves as a murderous, woman-hating terrorist. McCain (and his women-hating supporters) should be sent to Abu Graib where they belong!

    • Posted By: Americanfreedom @ 10/17/2008 6:39:33 PM

      It is never necessary for a woman's health - that is made up!!

      • Posted By: shorty22 @ 10/17/2008 7:34:31 PM

        I respect your right to free speach and to beleve what you will I do not agree that you should go to Jail. However I beleve you are missinformed. Have some sympathy for those women who lose their children naturaly and have to have a "late term abortion" to get the decesed out of the body before it kills her or prevents her from ever giving birth again. what do you say to that? Have some compassion and get some real info not from a Dr. of religion they are NOT a medical Dr. their a PhD so look in to the facts. Who is writing what you are reading. The best part of all of this is that you chose you decide for you and ONLY you. If you beleve a mothers life never matters then if/ when you are a mother (unless you are a man and could never be in this position and their for have no place to comment) you can make that choice.

  • Posted By: kteitel @ 10/17/2008 7:33:31 PM

    Good comments BaaBaa Woolrich and Nins. I agree completely.
    I would like to add, that I too found the use of the term "Pro-abortion" extremely offensive. I am the proud future father of a little boy and the word abortion brings tears to my eyes. Unborn maybe, but my little boy is my life. However, I canNOT make that choice for another person. I cannot imagine the torment someone must endure that abortion becomes the only feasible option, so much so that if it were, I would NOT take that away from them. I am certainly NOT pro-abortion and the suggestion that there is such a person out there is disgusting and shows the mind of the people saying such a thing.
    And in case there is a misunderstanding, the word Pro-abortion would indicate a person who actively pursues abortion for its own sake, hence getting women pregnant or becoming pregnant for the purpose of having an abortion, and actively seeking to counsel women who WANT to have children to have abortions. The notion is appalling in the least.

  • Posted By: lmgctg @ 10/17/2008 7:31:11 PM

    Oh, well here's who would care for the "unwanted" (read:unintended) children--the people responsible. Just like I care for my children. It's called RESPONSIBILITY. Imagine! Taking mature, moral responsibility for what life has handed to you as a result of your decisions. "We" should not all suffer together. I certainly don't expect others to take care of me or my decisions, so why do you? GROW UP! For all the whining about individual rights the democrats do, one would think they'd be more in favor of EVERYONE's right. Not just the ones that apply to themselves whenever it is convenient. How childish can you get????

  • Posted By: nanajo @ 10/17/2008 7:23:53 PM

    Senator McCain's remark about prochoice women stringing out the health issue for women and abortion hit me ver hard. In 1968 we lost our first child to cerebra-spinal meningitis at the age of 13 days. I became pregnant again and in Feb. of 1969 prior to the Roe vs Wade law, I was passing blood clots the size of a softball, not once but throughout tje month of Feb. 1969. I could not drink water or eat without vomiting. We went to the hospital and requesting them to admit me, but because I had not dialated 1 cm. they would not admit me. My husband and I were literally on our hands and knees begging them to help me. Our family Dr. finally interceded and was able to get me admitted. The D & C showed that my pregnancy had turned into a tumor, a hydate-form mole which means a bunch of grapes. Unless someone has wlaked in my footsteps, they and I mean Sen. McCain cannot know what I felt. Did I want to have an abortion, no, but I had my husband to think about and I wanted to live. Please tell Sen. McCain for me, I hope with all my heart that he does not become President, because he and his running mate scare the devil out of me.

  • Posted By: livekite @ 10/17/2008 1:16:46 PM

    Women have been embracing the unescapable "risk" of pregnancy since the beginning of time. Historically, many women lost their lives giving birth, and the children went on to live full lives. Childbearing has never been risk free. Most women (like myself) feel the lasting reward children bring outweigh those risks. Yet now women live in a twisted world where they only want babies if there is no risk involved. This is not the natural way of humankind. So women should quit whining and acknowledge that with every reward comes risk, and you cannot manipulate that truism of life. SInce when does man get to decide who's life is more important? It's so disheartening to see the selfishness that has taken over this culture's way of thinking.

    • Posted By: closbo @ 10/17/2008 7:19:57 PM

      Wow, your logic is very twisted. If we all subscribed to your way of thinking (women view pregnancy "unnaturally"), then we would all be against medicine and surgery. Those are just as unnatural. I suppose, seeing as you're so moral, you've never taken penicillin or had vaccinations either.

  • Posted By: JohnnyRes @ 10/17/2008 7:18:24 PM

    I think it is rather interesting and somewhat naive that the writer uses the CDC numbers as hard fact.

    "According to Centers for Disease Control statistics, only 1.4 percent of abortions took place after 21 weeks in 2004"

    While the CDC is reputable, the doctors that perform the abortions and report the numbers to the CDC are not. I would bet a year's salary that if a state appointed technician were required to run a sonogram before the abortion in order to take a second reading of the age of the fetus, the numbers would not be the same. From their perspective why file accurate numbers if it prevents the women from an abortion and prevents them from earning a check for the procedure? Reality is so much more than numbers posted on a wall.

  • Posted By: freedomgirl @ 10/17/2008 7:17:18 PM

    SmudgesMom, I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you! Your tolerance and non-judgementalist approach to this subject is refreshing. Keeping abortion safe and legal and rare is a great way to approach this discussion. "So-called" was added to my comment to keep Christians like you out of that classification.

  • Posted By: lmgctg @ 10/17/2008 7:09:42 PM

    Health of the mother?? What about health of the baby??? The hypocrisy is just sickening. I was a pro-choice as the next person until I got pregnant; the second I saw the baby's heartbeat at 9 DAYS, I couldn't believe anyone could kill their child. Rape/incest cases, MAYBE. But in any case--that child didn't choose to be conceived. Women need to take responsibility for the actions, even if they have they unintended results. GROW UP. I don't blame McCain one iota for the air quotes. "Health" of the mother, except in rare instances, is too subjective and frankly, a pretty lame rationalization for women who don't have the moral fibre to confront the choices they've made.

    • Posted By: fmlndn71 @ 10/17/2008 7:15:07 PM

      In a perfect world your comments make sense except this isn't a perfect world. Just because you get knocked up doesn't make you a fit parent. What do you tell those children who are going to be abused again tonight and the children who will go to bed hungry. Not everyone who comes into this world is loved. Welcome to reality!

  • Posted By: youngandhopeful @ 10/17/2008 7:14:33 PM

    Many times it is not just the mothers health that is in danger there is also something critcally wrong with the baby which is the cause of the risk to the mother. I do not think that people should abort children for convience espeically not when they are late term. I was born 3 months premature (weighing only 1 pound and 13 ounces back in 1982 when medicine for premature babies was not as sophisticated) and know how one can survive being born early, but also know some can not especially boys (my twin brother being one of those) as their lungs are not developed as quickly as girls do. It should be a choice made between the parent(s) and the doctor as to whether this should occur. I don't think abortion itself should be banned because there are circumstances in which I can understand it occuring. Rape, Incest, Abuse, Health and yes that includes Mental Health. I have worked with mentally ill persons and while it depends on the severity there are some people who should not have a child. Many people point to adoption, foster care etc. but that does not always secure a good home especially if someone in the family (who is somewhat questionable but not enough to prevent them getting care of the child) can cause much harm.) - This is not to say that there are not A LOT of loving, caring family members, foster parents or parents who adopt out there in the world- I'm just saying it is not a guarantee. Also if abortion itself is banned people will do as they use to and have unsafe abortions causing a lot of harm. There is a reason it was made legal.

  • Posted By: jebachman @ 10/17/2008 7:12:05 PM

    All Obama needed to say is he has faith in American mothers and doctors and that they will make the correct decision. To claim someone will terminate a late term pregnancy so they may fit in a prom dress is an insult. The Republican party is paying dearly for its litimus test on abortion.

  • Posted By: lmgctg @ 10/17/2008 7:11:55 PM

    Health of the mother?? What about health of the baby??? The hypocrisy is just sickening. I was a pro-choice as the next person until I got pregnant; the second I saw the baby's heartbeat at 9 DAYS, I couldn't believe anyone could kill their child. Rape/incest cases, MAYBE. But in any case--that child didn't choose to be conceived. Women need to take responsibility for the actions, even if they have they unintended results. GROW UP. I don't blame McCain one iota for the air quotes. "Health" of the mother, except in rare instances, is too subjective and frankly, a pretty lame rationalization for women who don't have the moral fibre to confront the choices they've made.

  • Posted By: SmudgesMom @ 10/17/2008 7:08:19 PM

    This Christian believes abortions should be safe, legal and rare. It's not op to me to judge anyone.

  • Posted By: johnfrank @ 10/17/2008 7:05:33 PM

    How important is life? Obama is a swift, smooth, talking, fellow that says one thing and does another. No matter how you look at abortion it's wrong, ok unless a womans health is in danger but is the unborn in danger? So now we choose the mother or the unborn? So 2 people have sex one ends up pregneant instead of being responsible they rather abort... Cmon floks keep your thing in your pants and your legs closed and abortiion won't be an issue. All that tax money going t owaste on killing the unborn. Obama put my money in good use please!! Obama how about you distributing your pay with me? How about all the politicians take a pay cut and give it to the less educasted and the ones who are lazy, cmon wheres the love..

  • Posted By: Art lover @ 10/17/2008 7:05:28 PM

    If there is no "right to privacy" regarding medical issues then I think it's only fair that all Americans should have access and say over everyone's medical issues. I want a say in who can get a vasectomy and who can take fertility drugs, get contraception, viagra, etc.

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