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  • Posted By: MBnurse @ 10/17/2008 5:53:28 PM

    As a nurse who works in obstetrical nursing, pregnancy can sometimes kill you. Mothers, especially those with other medical conditions, can and have died trying to save there babies, So does John McCain suggest that the mother with these "health issues" die and now you have two that are dead. As Obama said, "no one is pro-abortion", prevention is key. These issues should be left to the mother, her family and her religious leaders, not the government when her life is at stake.

    • Posted By: JenDee @ 10/17/2008 6:20:23 PM

      I have never heard a good explanation of how partial birth abortion saves the life of the mother. The act of birthing a child is generally where complications such as bleeding occur. So, how does birthing the child and then cutting its spinal cord preserve the health of the mother? If the the fetus is viable, then it should be preserved - if not, then what makes it necessary to sever the spinal cord?
      If mental or emotional health is the issue, then maybe adoption is the answer.
      I also find it interesting that we talk about the right to abortion, but forget that, unless you are raped or molested, you have the right to say "NO" to sex and the right to insist on birth control.

      • Posted By: ClementW @ 10/17/2008 7:05:23 PM

        Prevention measn keeping your pants/ panties on too.

  • Posted By: pagepeople @ 10/17/2008 7:04:45 PM

    "But McCain's unfortunate air quotes may take a bite out of his support among women." I disagree with that remark. Unfortunately, abortion is used a form of birth control whether people want to admit to it or not. I've known some friends who have gone to have 2,3 even 4. And I tell you what, there is more mental health problems with abortion, than with an unwanted delivery. Maybe this is also the reason so many women suffer from fertility problems nowadays.

  • Posted By: CalPerson @ 10/17/2008 7:03:50 PM

    It is really amazing the amount of energy put into discussing abortion, especially by the politicians, mostly men. It is ???between the people??? (the woman carrying the FETUS (which stands for an unborn child or baby) and sometimes the man which provided his gene to procreate) ???consciences??? and God!. Since when is any politician, or member of the Supreme Court to be consider God? An abortion is something very serious and private that should not be discuss at will by people that have such a derogatory mind towards another human being, (that is a real born person, not a fetus). The day I see a derogatory person, other words, antiabortion person, step forwards and become responsible for the future life and needs of the fetus when it becomes a baby, I will think that person actually knows what she/he is talking about, to date, I have not seem any!!!. Where are you, antiabortion people, when the baby is born and needs care, love, food, and et all? As we all know, there might be some abuse about every freedom the human being has, that includes abortion, but that is not a cause to eradicate abortion! Should be stop Well Fair programs, there are some abuse too. What will be next? Look yourself in the mirror and question your real reason why you want to impose your believe to others. Leave alone your little babies and children when you want to impose your personal opinion to others, they are to small to know. Politicians and the Supreme Court should let the issue of abortion reside in each person???s conscience and their relationship with God!

  • Posted By: freedomgirl @ 10/17/2008 7:03:12 PM

    So-called Christians are the ones who are selfish! Believing that they are the only ones who know the "right" choices and it is up to them to rid the world of anything that is different. I also ask, with all these people who can't have children and are desperate to adopt, why are there so many unwanted children in our foster systems? People who are desperate to adopt are only desperate because they don't want a "damaged" child or a child that is not the "right" ethnicity. Before we start worrying about the fetuses, maybe we should start with the children who are already here.

  • Posted By: JustBU @ 10/17/2008 5:54:17 PM

    It is unconcionable to think that any child, much less 1.4 % of millions and millions of babies aborted each year would be literally murdered in this way, and it goes to show how morally numb this country has become. There are few people who would agree that killing an infant is an acceptable thing, and yet ask any mother of a child born prematurely if her child is "viable". I am sure you will not be surprised that all will say, of course. How, then, can anyone justify thousands of babies each year being killed by saying that this is only 1.4%? If it was your infant, or a loved one's, would it matter?

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 10/17/2008 5:56:08 PM

      A fetus is not a child.

      • Posted By: paruby @ 10/17/2008 5:59:29 PM

        when it is viable out of the womb it should be considered a child..meaning if you cut the woman open at 22 weeks took the baby out and that baby could live, then it would be a baby...so why should you be able to murder a baby that could potentially live among us?

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 10/17/2008 6:18:28 PM

          I agree. Viability is a good place to draw the line. Barack also agrees. It's another example of his sublime wisdom.

          • Posted By: ClementW @ 10/17/2008 7:02:50 PM

            By the same token, why should anyone even try to help a person who made the "Choice" to buy a house they knew they could not afford?

        • Posted By: shorty22 @ 10/17/2008 6:49:18 PM

          "The woman"........ the woman is a person and that person has control over their own body. It's that womans choice not yours. It should not even be about viability its about a person making a personal choice if you dont like it or dont beleve in it.. dont do it.

      • Posted By: pgsmock @ 10/17/2008 6:16:38 PM

        Johnsonian, you are absolutely wrong!!

  • Posted By: CalPerson @ 10/17/2008 6:59:45 PM

    It is really amazing the amount of energy put into discussing abortion, especially by the politicians, mostly men. It is ???between the people??? (the woman carrying the FETUS (which stands for an unborn child or baby) and sometimes the man which provided his gene to procreate) ???consciences??? and God!. Since when is any politician, or member of the Supreme Court to be consider God? An abortion is something very serious and private that should not be discuss at will by people that have such a derogatory mind towards another human being, (that is a real born person, not a fetus). The day I see a derogatory person, other words, antiabortion person, step forwards and become responsible for the future life and needs of the fetus when it becomes a baby, I will think that person actually knows what she/he is talking about, to date, I have not seem any!!!. Where are you, antiabortion people, when the baby is born and needs care, love, food, and et all? As we all know, there might be some abuse about every freedom the human being has, that includes abortion, but that is not a cause to eradicate abortion! Should be stop Well Fair programs, there are some abuse too. What will be next? Look yourself in the mirror and question your real reason why you want to impose your believe to others. Leave alone your little babies and children when you want to impose your personal opinion to others, they are to small to know. Politicians and the Supreme Court should let the issue of abortion reside in each person???s conscience and their relationship with God!

  • Posted By: happymother @ 10/17/2008 6:32:57 PM

    I think that women today have become selfish, wanting to abort their children because they are an inconvenience is one of the most deplorable mindsets I can imagine. I had a very traumatic birth with my son, he survived and so did I, but what was the worst part was when the doctor told me it was going to be difficult and then asked me if I was interested in an abortion. Shame on America and these selfish women, you do not have the right to kill your unborn child anymore than you do any other living person, just because they couse you physical and mental distress.

    • Posted By: shorty22 @ 10/17/2008 6:59:34 PM

      Are you not glad you had the choice to risk your and your childs life? Some of your supporters may not agree with you for taking that risk. Maybe we should pass a law and mandate women to have a sezarian if the fetis is at risk during birth... Just be glad you were allowed to have your "morals" respected.

    • Posted By: Terri20 @ 10/17/2008 6:44:47 PM

      Well aren't you special. Pat yourself on the back because not only do you have the ability to transcend adversity but you can go inside other people's lives and determine what's best for them. Maybe you can even transcend their adversity. Wow!!

  • Posted By: americancitizen200 @ 10/17/2008 3:46:34 PM

    Any MAN that's on here saying abortion is wrong, blah, blah,blah need not speak. Its's not your body. Why not walk in a woman's shoes before you open your FAT MOUTH. No one wants to see abortions or for women to use abortions as birth control and by the way if I listen to Ms Palin even birth control isn't allowed. but maybe they need to for whatever reason leave this issue alone

    • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/17/2008 3:49:25 PM

      I am a man, but I do take my actions seriously and I would never be involved in producing a baby to be destroyed through an abortion.

      • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 4:18:43 PM

        How do you know you haven't? if you got me pregnant I would definately get an abortion :)

        • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/17/2008 6:59:29 PM

          I wouldn't screw you with Obama's penis!!

      • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 4:16:00 PM

        How do you know you haven't?

  • Posted By: BaaBaa Woolrich @ 10/17/2008 6:57:20 PM

    Instead of just spouting off perhaps a little thinking would help? John was talking about using the term health to mean too many things. Is a girl who lives to party going to be depressed if she has a baby that will consume her free time? Is that technically a reason to kill another person? By the law apparently it could be. That is what is meant by vague. That is why the air quotes. A statement about the law not a disregard for the life of a woman.

    Another question is this? Whose body are we really talking about? Who dies in an abortion?

    Knowing as much as we do about medicine it is possible to detect genetic damage very, very early in the natal state of the fetus (always genetically not the mother or the father) and so the question of why wait until the fetus is very very close to being born? I personally was born 7 weeks premature. In other words I have survived (and done so very well thank you) from long before a late term abortion could have been done.

    How do you save a mother's life (presumably at risk of dying because of childbirth) by having her deliver the baby first and then killing it by severing it's spinal cord? Logically the act of giving birth just proved she would not die by giving birth.

    Sadly it is more common for people to start accusing or acting enraged..."how dare you..."

    Calm reasoned argument must have gone the way of so many other things in our society...like decency to each other..or respect for others opinions.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/17/2008 6:43:32 PM

    It has been the stated goal of the religious right to appoint conservative judges to overturn Roe vs. Wade for years. Bush is on board with this plan. Every single judge that Bush appointed to every single Federal bench that came open during his tenure was a right wing Christian conservative. The Democrats were stymied when the GOP controlled congress, and Bush got to appoint two right wing Supreme Court Justices.

    First Bush appointed John Roberts to replace Sandra Day O'Connor when she stepped down. When Chief Justice Wm. Rehnquist died in 2005, Bush appointed Roberts as Chief Justice, and then filled O'Connor's empty chair with Samuel Alito. Both Roberts and Alito are Catholic, and both are outspoken against abortion.

    Bush has appointed two of the nine Justices, including the Chief Justice. The current Supreme Court has been sharply divided on a number of high profile issues, including abortion rights, affirmative action, eminent domain, gay rights, the separation of church and state, sovereign immunity, and states' rights. The number of close votes in cases involving these areas suggests that a change of one or two key justices could completely shift the thinking of the Court on such issues.

    Right now there are four Justices who are elderly and will soon either retire or die. The next President will get to appoint at least two new Justices. If the next President is McCain, those two will both be conservative right wing Christians. McCain has publicly PROMISED to do this, and explicitly said that his goal is to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

    Supreme Court Justices are not being paid to interpret the Bible. They are being paid to interpret the Constitution.

    Most Americans, even most Republicans, value the separation of church and state. That clause is in our Constitution to protect us from exactly what is going on in America today! Allowing any religious group (especially a radical one) to control the interpretation and application of our laws in the highest court in the land is NOT democratic. Nor is it wise.

    I don't care if you are a disappointed Hillary supporter or an undecided Independent or a life-long Republican or are pro-Obama. ANYONE, regardless of stripe, needs to vote against a candidate who had declared his intention of appointing partisan judges. Judges are supposed to be impartial. That is the basis of our legal system. Without that, you might as well live in a dictatorship, without recourse to law.

    • Posted By: ClementW @ 10/17/2008 6:57:07 PM

      There are many, Democrats included, who believe that Roe v. wade was a bad decision and needs to be revisted. If it was such a "Good" decision, why has it been such a major disruption in our scociety?

    • Posted By: Americanfreedom @ 10/17/2008 6:55:08 PM

      I hope he WINS!!! GO JOHN MCCAIN!!!!

  • Posted By: REALITY CHECK @ 10/17/2008 6:53:18 PM

    The article says "Medical judgment may be exercised in light of all factors--physical, emotional, psychological, familial and the woman's age--relevant to the wellbeing of the patient," The problem is that you can shop for a doctor that will agree with anything when it comes to "mental health", including "I just don't want it".If there are 2 Million abortions each year, even 1.4% is 28,000 "late term" abortions. I wonder how many of these really relate to "physical" danger to the mother?

  • Posted By: nystate1999 @ 10/17/2008 6:52:35 PM

    Excellent post, Nins. Thank you for explaining the meaning of late term abortions and why they are needed in extreme cases.

  • Posted By: pgsmock @ 10/17/2008 6:15:39 PM

    The very liberal Obama is, of course, not against a woman's right to choose, irregardless of the "health" of the mother. He condones abortion, since he said that "If one of my daughters becomes pregnant (out of wedlock), then I would make sure that she isn't punished with a baby." (check it out on Google) "That one" has no qualms about ending an unborn life, no matter at what stage and phase. A woman's health is one issue, but to perform an act of murder on a precious life for convenience is another.

    NOBAMA!!

    • Posted By: Yes We Can! @ 10/17/2008 6:47:37 PM

      Irregardless is not a word you dummy! The word is REGARDLESS! It means without regard. Irregardless would be a double negative..........
      Get an education!

  • Posted By: paruby @ 10/17/2008 5:31:54 PM

    could newsweek please just publish a cover story on their deep and undying love for obama and just be done with it..make it a 20 expose on their burning unquenchable love of all things obama....and stop going around in circles about the republicans..we know you hate mccain and all republicans...okay we get it...just fill us with what we should love about obama...maybe like a daily affirmation thing, today you will love obama because he's pretty..and then go fromthere

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 10/17/2008 5:33:53 PM

      Facts have a liberal bias.

      • Posted By: paruby @ 10/17/2008 5:46:13 PM

        no newsweek has a liberal bias

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 10/17/2008 6:01:00 PM

          Facts have a liberal bias. Newsweek just chooses to report the facts.

          • Posted By: paruby @ 10/17/2008 6:11:55 PM

            We won't agree. Good night sir, I have dinner plans...

            • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 10/17/2008 6:20:10 PM

              I know. The Cons have done a good job of circulating the "liberal media" meme. You seem to be one of its victims. I have sympathy.

              • Posted By: paruby @ 10/17/2008 6:46:02 PM

                Still getting ready to go out, so one last thought. Please Please love the media, love the liberal media, have an abortion and vote for Obama but DON"t have sympathy for me. I can sincerely promise you I need no such thing. I am blessed beyond words and just because we don't agree I don't need your sympathy. Just as you don't need mine. You have an opinion which I think is incorrect, and you think mine is incorrect alas we will just disagree. No sympathy involved. Save that for the unborn or the country in a few months.

  • Posted By: VTEKwomen27 @ 10/17/2008 6:45:52 PM

    I would agree that American women are selfish. Abortion is the easy way out and saying that it is your body, your choice is ridiculous!!! How many couples can't have children and would die to adopt a baby? Thousands! Abortion is taking the life of an innocent, defenseless baby...and under no circumstance should be allowed. As a women myself I'm all about womens rights, but how can we have the right to murder a baby? It's absurd. Make all the excuses you wish, as all you pro choice women choose to do, abortion is the most disgusting and heartless thing anyone could go through. Good luck living with that on your conscious for the rest of your life!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: peterandall @ 10/17/2008 6:45:25 PM

    I know a couple???Hollywood types???who aborted their baby because it was diagnosed with down syndrome. In other words, their baby was not going to be good looking like they were. Funny thing happened a few years latter, the father was diagnosed with Parkinson disease. So, by the same standard, the wife and children should abandon the father because he is not perfect now

  • Posted By: Objective Government Party @ 10/17/2008 5:49:26 PM

    ableto: of slavery was still in existence, you would not argue about because the law has created it as legal? Abortion is murder, plain and simple. it never ceases to amaze that those who were not aborted think very little of allowing others to be aborted. the only instance when abortion should occur is if the life of the women is threatened. It is quite obvious by the sheer numbers that the women opting for abortion are doing it out of convenience. this is a relatively anticipated occurrence when american woman are so conspicuously slutty. evil has permeated american culture to such an extent that we have become jaded and unable to observe it and fight it. if you are not anti-abortion, i can not vote for you. anything else is manifest self absorption.

    • Posted By: vdonquixote @ 10/17/2008 6:43:23 PM

      American women are slutty? Good one buddy, such a tolerant christian man, obviously all life is precious to you.

    • Posted By: esmy07 @ 10/17/2008 6:28:58 PM

      I respect your opinion, but I don???t agree with you, first of all you and the others that are against it. Their making a decision for all of us that if a women gets pregnant we are going to be force to have the child. Second we don't know if the person that's committing the abortion is doing it for some certain reason we don???t know, because we don???t live their life???s or in what conditions do they live. Third, as long it doesn???t happen to you and your conscious is good, you should be happy with your life and not worry for the others upon their decisions, and one more thing. The reason that I am pro is because I found out that the majority that are born end up in child pornography you should see what they do with them it that even to an animal doesn???t deserve to suffer. Or when they put them in foster homes the ones that are supposed to take care of them instead rape them. This brought me to my conclusion that if I am not going to adopt or help with money why should I chose to go for it. I think it???s better if they don???t born instead of having horrible life while others children have a magnificent life because they have a family and support.

    • Posted By: darkharp @ 10/17/2008 6:22:51 PM

      To conceive a child requires a woman AND a man. Yet, a woman who has sex is both a slut and evil? This is wrong headed and imposes a consequence only on one party involved in the act.
      Abortion may occur for any number of reasons, moral judgements about those that have them really aren't helpful. Some women may learn their child to be is going to suffer horribly from a defect and they make a terribly difficult choice, should we vilify them? Other women may suffer from a lack of access to contraception, a thing which is much more difficult given the Pro-life efforts to close clinics, intimidate doctors, and focus only on abstinence education. Others may be in a situation of incest or rape.

      Whatever the reasons, the decision to have a child should not be some sort of retributive punishment for having engaged in the simple pleasure of sex, but should be made because there is the capability to provide a loving home to the child to be and a supported pregnancy for the mother to be. If that is not hte case, it is appropriate to look at choosing not to bear the child.

      Conversely, the decision not to have a child is never some free wheeling, casual, thoughtless thing. No woman who has had an abortion would tell you that they leapt up afterwards and went to a party. And the sorry of the choice stays with a woman forever, regardless of the circumstances. When a woman makes this choice, it is usually for quite serious reasons. Those reasons should be respected, even if you would choose otherwise or might not agree.

      And given the rash of young women who carry to term only to abandon their babies, to expose them or leave them in trash cans as though we had gone back to ancient times...is this preferred? How desperate, ashamed, terrified, and scarred are the girls who do this thing? How evil is it to be forced to that type of behavior? Is abortion worse or better than that?

      Or forf the girls and women trapped in abusive relationships, should they be forced to bear a child or to have to explain a pregnancy to someone who might injure them?
      Abortion is never a good thing, but it is a matter for the individual woman to decide with her doctor.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 10/17/2008 5:57:48 PM

      No. It's not murder.

      The difference with slavery is that people got more and more turned off by slavery as time went on. In the case of abortion, more and more people are becoming pro-choice. The anti-choice folks will not win because most people believe in some form of legal abortion.

  • Posted By: Uncle Buck @ 10/17/2008 6:43:02 PM

    I think John McCain's problem is his lack of sensitivity in his approach. He understands the details of what he's saying, but has a very, very poor delivery. That's a huge problem to have. This is a man who is supposed to be able to communicate with people, including other world leaders. He's not qualified to do that.

  • Posted By: esmy07 @ 10/17/2008 6:43:00 PM

    I respect your opinion, but I don???t agree with you, first of all you and the others that are against it. Their making a decision for all of us that if a women gets pregnant we are going to be force to have the child. Second we don't know if the person that's committing the abortion is doing it for some certain reason we don???t know, because we don???t live their life???s or in what conditions do they live. Third, as long it doesn???t happen to you and your conscious is good, you should be happy with your life and not worry for the others upon their decisions, and one more thing. The reason that I am pro is because I found out that the majority that are born end up in child pornography you should see what they do with them it that even to an animal doesn???t deserve to suffer. Or when they put them in foster homes the ones that are supposed to take care of them instead rape them. This brought me to my conclusion that if I am not going to adopt or help with money why should I chose to go for it. I think it???s better if they don???t born instead of having horrible life while others children have a magnificent life because they have a family and support.

  • Posted By: ragtopdodge @ 10/17/2008 6:40:59 PM

    Don't like abortions? SImple ; don't have one.

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