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  • Posted By: Gutz54 @ 10/17/2008 4:33:03 PM

    Why are all articles on MSN in some way or fashion neg to McCain and Palin? The bias is really pi**ing me off. All your so called editors always find some smartass nuance or snide remark to add to the report. Just report the friggin news with out the colored anti republican BS.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 10/17/2008 5:20:30 PM

      Facts have a liberal bias.

      • Posted By: markpt @ 10/17/2008 5:30:32 PM

        That is easily the stupidest comment on here.

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 10/17/2008 5:40:15 PM

          No. Cons hate facts. That's why they so rarely include them in their arguments.

      • Posted By: clduckett @ 10/17/2008 5:30:53 PM

        And why do facts have a liberal bias? Because they're steeped in critical thinking, practical reasoning, rational inquiry and analysis, and scientific methodology. Anyone who claims that Republicans are the party of "small government," "fiscal responsibility," and "state's rights" obviously haven't introduced themselves to the facts by any stretch of the imagination.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 3:02:35 PM

    Nursing Homes throughout America are full of...USLESS...INCOMPETENT...SICK...and BURDENSOME...OLD PEOPLE...Hussein, Pelosi, and Reid can get together and pass a EUTHENASIA BILL....think of the suffering they could eliminate

    Think of the $$$ that would be freed up...Most are on Medicaid....costing us BILLIONS to keep alive....many are in late stages of Alzheimer's...they are a HUGE BURDEN to family and society.....

    Hussein could increase his Welfare Checks to ya'll.....

    I'm sure some of Ya'll have already thought of this...it is the Humane thing to do...isn't it???

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 10/17/2008 5:22:39 PM

      Man. You changed my mind. Here I was thinking that voting was supposed to be a rational decision and you come along and remind me that I should check my brain at the door and instead wallow in racism and innuendo. Brilliant indeed.

  • Posted By: john2008 @ 10/17/2008 5:08:06 PM

    I think you republicans are such hypocrites. You and whine b i t c h about the government being too big but then you want to dictate who we can marry and how we have babies. You repugnants can take your morality and shove it up your A S S!

  • Posted By: malory @ 10/17/2008 5:07:15 PM

    The entire late term abortion argument is 'silly', for lack of a better word. What woman would rather wait months and months and have a much riskier, much longer and much more expensive procedure for no good reason? Think about it. If you think there are a bunch of women just waiting for the hell of it and not aborting later for other than serious circumstances, you are not thinking rationally. Also, regarding the so-called 'partial birth abortion', I often ask pro-lifers if they would feel better if the other method of late term abortion were used instead, where they break up the fetus in utero and then take it out in pieces. Since they are so into stating how gory they think the 'partial birth abortion' is and use that as part of their argument. Mostly, I feel horribly for women who must make these horrible decisions late in pregnancy which is an obviously wanted pregnancy. I'm sure they think pro-lifers using their tragic circumstances to push some kind of personal agenda while not giving two craps about what they are going through or the actual circumstances, makes them just as sickened as these total strangers feel about something they don't know a thing about or that doesn't affect them at all.

  • Posted By: Ableto_Reason @ 10/17/2008 5:00:08 PM

    I am so disillusioned by the comments on this page. We all have acces to free education, yet, so many of you sound ignorant, uneducated, and racist. First, Obama is not muslim so the repeated references to "Hussein" is fear mongering just like Hitler and Bush practiced. Second, do a little research on your abortion laws before spewing your ignorance all over us. Thirdly, Rep or Dem, you must vote for whom ever will be best for our country. If making all abortions illegal, you get the downward spiral of the economy that we are witnessing today. Quit being so simple minded.

  • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 4:57:10 PM

    prenatal death....he would go to jail. and he would go because he ment harm to the mother, the living, air breathing thinking grown woman she is...

    NO MORE HOLYROLLER!!!!

  • Posted By: bluebloodedLV @ 10/17/2008 4:40:41 PM

    Ah Jim:

    First: Obama cannot waltz into the white house and start making a bunch of laws without approval from both houses of congress.

    Second: Once again you're wrong but keep spewing lies. It's so old Jim. Obama voted against a law that was already on the books. Is that what you want him to do, vote to have duplicate legislation for the same issue - isn't that big government? He also voted against a law that didn't include an exception for women's health. Also, how does one reach into the womb, grab the FEET of a baby and suck it's brains out - you sound totally ignorant saying *** like this. You can't reach up in there even unless the woman is very dialated, which doesn't happen unless you are in labor or induce labor.

    You seem to know so much on this topic Jim, what percentage of abortions occur after the first and/or second trimester?

    Instead of ranting and raving, why don't you take your ass down to the nearest low income neighborhood and start helping educate the people on unwanted pregnancies, a good way to help reduce abortion. Or, how do you suggest we legislate morality? What happens if we make abortion illegal? You're talking HUGE government! Do you charge a woman with murder if she has an abortion and how do you determine if it was a miscarriage or an abortion? Are you going to skyrocket healthcare costs by requiring doctors to submit your medical records to the goverment? When do I have to register with the federal government, after my first or second missed period? You have all of these insults and judgements but you have no solutions. Your time would be much bette spent trying to help women make the decision to not have an abortion or to help them not get pregnant in the first place.

    Lastly, I know you will probably try to slam me in some ignorant way, but your ridiculous and preposterous comments about what Obama will do when he gets into office are some of the most ignorant racists things I have ever heard. You really do sound delusional.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 12:05:57 PM

    Since Ya'll are so very enthusiastic for eliminating the undesired, inconvenient, and "poor" babies...I have another idea ya'll can pass under a Hussein Presidency....

    Nursing Homes throughout America are full of...USLESS...INCOMPETENT...SICK...and BURDENSOME...OLD PEOPLE...Hussein, Pelosi, and Reid can get together and pass a EUTHENASIA BILL....think of the suffering they could eliminate

    Think of the $$$ that would be freed up...Most are on Medicaid....costing us BILLIONS to keep alive....many are in late stages of Alzheimer's...they are a HUGE BURDEN to family and society.....

    Hussein could increase his Welfare Checks to ya'll.....

    I'm sure some of Ya'll have already thought of this...it is the Humane thing to do...isn't it???

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/17/2008 12:14:58 PM

      I don't even think any of us could even come up with an idea that horrific, Roller, even if we were trying to bait and discredit our opponents with it the way you're trying to do with us. I don't know how many minds on here have the present capability to have suggested killing old folks.

      I doubt you're going to find anyone to take you up on your proposal. I think you're really just going to get a lot more responses appalled that you'd even type some thing like that. It takes an uncommon mind to come up with something that messed up..

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 12:22:44 PM

        Please explain to be...why is that idea any more offensive than killing the unborn??? To be honest...it seems more Humane...at least they HAD a life...I'm waiting for your answer to that.

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 12:29:49 PM

          NOWAY NO HOW NO MCCAIN

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 12:33:49 PM

            Do you like my proposal??? Think of the extra OBAMA $$$ it would generate....

            NOBAMA!!!

            • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 12:48:16 PM

              1. You are sick
              2. they are not babies until ther are fully born they are fetuses
              3. I think they would do better euthenizing you.
              4. Sounds like something you would do since you obviously are okay wilth killing live innocent people with the death penalty.

              • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 12:57:43 PM

                Advocating the murder of another human being is really sick.

                • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 1:12:32 PM

                  Forcing your fanatical religious views on people with laws is sick.

                  • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 1:18:59 PM

                    Also - being a Lutheran in even the most progressive company is not considered religiously "out there". Get a grip.

                    • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 2:24:53 PM

                      Lutheran from the Martin Luther, rebelled against the Catholic church by nailing indulgences the the churches door. Yes I am familiar with it. There is always a few nuts in a Christmas stocking I always say :)

                      • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 3:04:06 PM

                        Have you ever considered counseling?

                        • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 4:39:58 PM

                          Of what sort? Religious or mental? No thanks of the religious my parent tried to brainwash me with that mumbo jumbo I'm great thanks. Have you ever considered reading history books? Or science? Maybe discovery channel if you are lazy?

                  • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 1:17:45 PM

                    I suggest you grow up. There always will be laws in a civil society, Without any you would have chaos. You strike me as emotionally very immature. Kinda of the type "no one is going to tell me what to do" kinda of person. Well as a grownup there will always be people telling us what to do. From bosses, to friends or family members, or legal restrictions.

                    • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 2:22:48 PM

                      I am a step mother, a howmeowner. I have a college degree, and I work. No I am not a relic like some people but don't for a second assume that I am a child. I'm old enough to have children of my own, I have made the choice, because I have that a choice, and I would never have gotten through college and been as succesful as I have been in life if I simply "didn't want people telling me what to do." I don't want people enslaving me in a religious society based on ideologies that I do not belive in. You have no right to try to mentally of physycally enslave me.

                    • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 1:46:11 PM

                      Let me make this very clear. No person had the right to tell another person what to do with their body. If I want tattoos I will get tatoos. If I want breast implants I will get breast implants. If I want reject ressucitaion in a hospital, than I have that right. If I'm bleeding to death in childbirth and my religion doesn't allow me to get blood tranfusions then that is my right to deny it. if I don't want to allow my body to be used as a host for a child, then I will not allow it. This is what the discussion is about so keept off your tangents, because that is a whole other philosophical nomeclature that isn't a part of this.

                • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 1:21:48 PM

                  It's not murder it's abortion. I don't thik it's worng to kill spiders, I don't think it's wrong to eat chickens... I have big issues with veal and frois gras because that is torture, I don't thinks it's worng to have an abortion :)

                  • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 1:25:38 PM

                    I was not referring to your abortion position but to your suggestion of having holyroller killed.

                    • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 2:12:39 PM

                      I didn't suggest it I just said I prefered it to her idea of euthenizing the elderly. Funny you don't think tha is sick

  • Posted By: IAmommy @ 10/17/2008 1:56:48 PM

    It would only let me type so many characters, so here's the rest of my two cents:

    I am mainly against abortion for those that are using it as a form of birth control, whether it be because of laziness to use actual birth control, or because of failure from regular birth control methods. One of my biggest problems with our country nowadays is the lack of responsibility for our own actions. If you don't want to ever have children, go get your tubes tied. It's an easy procedure & yes your doctor can do it because you do not wish to have children. If you're not ready to have children, then either keep your legs closed or realize that condoms, pills, patches, etc are not fool proof, you may still get pregnant & if you do, SUCK IT UP. You made the choice to take that chance.
    I wonder if anyone has thought of the possibility that one of these babies that was aborted by choice & not because of honest, serious health issues, could have grown up to be a doctor or scientist & found the cure to cancer or AIDS or one of the other deadly diseases that is killing people worldwide. I know that many non-christians would ask why God would "allow" these types of diseases & such to devastate us like they do, but did you ever stop & think that maybe they're still here because we've killed off the person/persons who would have found the cure or better/more life-extending treatments for them?
    And to address those that are spouting off about us christians not adopting because of being full of self-righteousness, or prejudice, or any other ignorant idea that has been thrown our there, I do not appreciate being steryotyped. If I had my way, I'd adopt every orphan out there & kick some of those sickly rich people out of their estates they don't need, & live there with them. But unfortunately I can't afford to pay the fees involved in adopting a child & the law would probably wouldn't let me because it would cause my family to be "squeaking by" so to speak, even though I could make it work & would in a heartbeat. There is also the issue of my husband. I have to take into consideration his feelings as well. So no, we are not all too self-righteous or prejudice to adopt children who are not brand new, white babies; some of us are not "allowed to" because of state or federal regulations that were put in place to protect those that are adopted from going from one bad situation to another.
    I know that I am just one person, however I feel that it is my freedom to believe what I do, & to vote according to those beliefs if I so choose. That's the great thing about America, we have that choice. We won't all ever agree on this subject, but I think that we could all get behind a better way to handle some of the aspects of it.

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 10/17/2008 2:42:28 PM

      IAmommy,

      When you say that people should take responsbility for thier actions you are missing a major point., If the woman uses birth control (and hopefully the man does as well) they HAVE taken responsbility. If theri responsbile attempts at preventing pregancy fails they should not be punished for being responsbile Sorry, but sex is NOT just for procreation. It is also just as much for pleasure. Since I do not grant personhood to a non-vialble fetus I not think it has anywhere near equal status to thr soman and should have not rights above those of the woman.

      On another part of your post you wrote "I wonder if anyone has thought of the possibility that one of these babies that was aborted by choice & not because of honest, serious health issues, could have grown up to be a doctor or scientist & found the cure to cancer or AIDS or one of the other deadly diseases that is killing people worldwide. " That is a defacto invalid argument because what someone MIGHT be is irrelevant. One stand an equal chance of the fetus developing into a new Hitler, Saddam Hussien, Ted Bundy, or other horrible person. "What ifs" are not valid arguments.

      And I do not ask why "god" allows things to happen since I do not believe that there is a god or other deity in the first place.

      Would I prefer taht abortion not be used as a primary method of birth control (where taht is the only method that a man and woman use instaed of condoms, IUDS, the pill/patch.)? Yes. But I undestand the legal/conmstitutional/ethical problem with forced sterilization of irresponsible men and women. Accidental pregnancy (when birth control fails) is another matter entirely, as I said before. The couple was responsible and should not be penalized (and the fetus is not yet a life as far as I am concerned, so it is not part of the equation.)

      I await the day when a birth control pill for men becomes as effective as the ones for women.

      • Posted By: IAmommy @ 10/17/2008 3:03:20 PM

        I too await the day when there is a birth control for men that is as effective as the ones they have for women. I also agree that sex is not just for procreation, but a pleasurful act between two people that creates intimancy & a strong bond, an idealistic view I know. I perhaps spoke too strongly about behaving responsibly, or misspoke what I really meant. If a couple is being responsible & using contraceptives to prevent pregnancy, that is great & more power to them. However, they do know that those methods are not 100% & I don't think (according to my beliefs) that is it ok to have an abortion should those methods fail. I don't believe having a child is a punishment. I also understand that while a child has the potential to be a "savior" it also have the potential to be a "demon" as well. I do not disreguard that fact, but I'd like to think that a lot of that has to do with how they are raised &/or their enviroment. Like I said in my response, I do not ask anyone to agree with my point of view because it is largely based on my belief in christianity & I know that there are a lot of people out there that are atheist or of other beliefs that may not agree with mine. I do not condone forced sterilization of anyone, although in my less than "morally correct" moments I see it as a good solution to women who are on welfare & just keep having children to get more money. I know, it is not a kind thought & not a christian thought either, which is why I would not support it. I do not think that a "fetus" (as you call it) should have rights above those of a woman. I guess my thought is that if we take more responsibility for the choices we make, & educate our young people better, we can reduce the instances of abortion as a "birth control method" in an unwanted pregnancy.
        I think that you & I agree on more of the intricacies of this issue than first comes to light. I appreciate you not attacking my beliefs & simply stating how you disagree with me in an intelligent & well thought way. I wish more on here would respond or state their views like you have.

        • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 10/17/2008 3:45:49 PM

          IAmommy,

          Thank you for your intelligent response. I think we do agree on more of this thatn it might have originally seemed. Although I agree that environment can be a major component in how a one turns out, that, unfortunately is nto always the case. But I would also guess that if a child was not wanted in the first place, that even if the parents tried not to show it,. it migth subconsciously come through.

          I do agree that we need to educate our children (and many adults) better. Teaching them about ALL the responsbilities that both giving birth to and raising a child to adulthood entails as well as teachign both self-respect and respect for one's partners would likely help to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies (as well as the number of intended teen pregnancies.

          I als understand your commetn about those on welfare. My persnal view is that welfare was never intended to be a lifestyle let alone a multi-generational one. Also that once one is one welfare, one should stop having children until one is off welfare. It harms existing children in the falmily and makes it much harder to get off the system. Doing otherwise is the height of irresponsbility, and religious groups that urge being fruitful and multiplying and oppose contraception without considering the damage that such unregulated procreation result in are a major part of the problem.

          Although I understand your view on birth control being less than 100% effective, I do not think that making two responsible people have a child is fair if they acted responsibly in the first place.


    • Posted By: dsqard @ 10/17/2008 2:20:41 PM

      I can respect your beliefs in not supporting abortions but I still have to say that it is an individual's right to make the decision. I do not know if I could have ever had an abortion if I had been in the position to make that decision, but I do think it is right that I would have had a chance to make that decision. I truely believe that any woman who has had to make that decision, has not made it lightly. I have had two children of my own and even before I could feel them moving inside me, I could feel the changes my body was making for the baby growing inside me. I just can not imagine any woman easily making this decision. You could probably call me naive on this from my belief system but that is how I feel. Making abortions illegal will only do one thing. It will not stop abortions. It will only make women go back to the "back alley" abortion doctors.

      • Posted By: IAmommy @ 10/17/2008 3:08:05 PM

        I extend my kudos to you as I did to ghostmassuer in responding to me in a respectful & thoughtful way. I do agree that most women that have made that choice have not done so lightly, & I know this first hand as I had avery close friend recently struggle with this decision. Fortunately/Unfortunately is was taken out of her hands in the form of a miscarriage. I agree with you that making abortions completely illegal would revert us to the "back alley" abortion doctors & we do not need that. I respect your position, & wish that more people could "agree to disagree" as we have.

  • Posted By: VAvoter @ 10/17/2008 12:04:40 PM

    McCain's comments and attitude as he made them convey a lack of respect for women in general and a lack of understanding about a very complex issue. I do not want him making decisions about women and their health. I am not pro abortion, but I think it is a private, personal matter the courts shoud stay out of.

    • Posted By: CJinKS @ 10/17/2008 3:39:00 PM

      I like the way you think, VAvoter.

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 12:05:38 PM

      When another life is involved it's not so private.

  • Posted By: kinkade @ 10/17/2008 11:18:12 AM

    What if a pregnancy was the result of rape? According to Mcain/Palin that person who was in perfect health would be forced to endure a 9 month reminder of a vicious crime . Women fought for the right to vote,equality and the freedom of choice (not just for abortion but for all things).

    McCain the dictator of a woman's right to be a person.

    Mcain/Palin what a dangerous combination in the White House.

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 11:29:41 AM

      Let's see for a women to have the right to "be a person" they have to destroy their babies right to "be a person".

      • Posted By: Carla72 @ 10/17/2008 2:39:51 PM

        I would like to reply to this because I was a victim of rape which resulted in a pregnancy. I found out when I was two weeks due to having to report to a doctor if I had any signs of symptons. I did a lot of research, the goverment could not help with child support because I made $20,000.00 a year, they would not help with the birth or any prenatal care because I "made too much", this was before family leave, so I would get no time off work to take care of the child alone, I could not get food stamps or welfare because I made too much, the point is, all the people that force their belief's on someone else, better have a house full of adopted children. If your so smart and God exists, then why doesn't someone or him himself fix the system? Are you willing to support all these children who cannot get help because the person that raped never gets caught? I have not heard one person offer that yet. Palin is too dangerous, she and her Bible have no right in telling me what to do. And that's that!!

  • Posted By: saraeul @ 10/17/2008 2:19:09 PM

    I was absolutely horrified when John McCain used the air quotes and spoke of the mother's health in that sarcastic voice. It was a disgusting moment. I now despise him. It was a "game changer" for me

  • Posted By: realistically.minded @ 10/17/2008 11:43:07 AM

    This is bizarre. Yes, having abortions means women and their families may have other issues to deal with later-- be they psychological or physiological -- but the choice is no one's but the woman's to make. Under no circumstance should a government decide what women can and cannot do with their bodies. Until we, as a country, can get around the taboos of sex and actually truly educate our citizens about sex ed -- not provide ridiculous "abstinence-only education," can we begin to see a decrease in the rate of abortions.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 11:50:48 AM

      "THEIR" bodies??? what about the babies bodies???.....even animal mothers have higher values than you. They will die to protect their offspring.....Humans will kill the child to avoid inconvienience.

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 12:05:49 PM

        hahahaha they also kill and devour they're young too...good try tho

        • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 12:23:52 PM

          Hopefully we humans can be better than animals!

          • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 2:15:25 PM

            go read some history books....we are animals maam...

      • Posted By: tutink777 @ 10/17/2008 12:30:14 PM

        Actually, many animal mothers will kill their own children after birth, especially if they are unable to care for them. And animals have no morals, because they do not have higher reasoning capabilities. Got to say, I am not sure that you do either.

        • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 1:34:52 PM

          This is true if the mother is unable to feed her young or care for them she will kill the who litter. otherwise they just kill the runts. They eat them so their dead bodies won't attract predetors to pray on the other babies. They also eat their babies poop for this reason.

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 12:04:46 PM

      As it is ridiculous to have abstinence only programs, it is just as ridiculous to have birth control programs that do not have an abstinence component in their programs. It seems as if a person themselves did not choose abstinence they assume no one else is capable of doing so. Brings everbody down to the least common denominator.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 12:09:29 PM

    RE-POST....no one responded to thes SIMPLE questions...WHY???...I'm very curious how you rationalize them...don't wimp out.....

    Ya'll call abortion a womans "CHOICE". We'll I have a few questions...

    Is there ever a time that the unborn gains human rights??

    Why does cutting an umbilical cord make a fetus a person??

    Does the father have a say in the matter?...If not why?....the child is also his...RIGHT???

    What if the father WANTED the baby aborted....should he be financially obligated if the woman said no???

    Ya'll talk big...but...you are all basically SICK HYPOCRITES.....

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 12:29:35 PM

      NOWAY NO HOW NO MCCAIN

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 12:32:40 PM

        Won't answer the other questions, huh...or CAN'T...they expose youe hypocrisy.......

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 12:44:54 PM

          It's under this one, I guess reading isn't your strong suit. That would explain your general ignorance.

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 12:52:10 PM

            There were more than one ???....what about AFTER the child is born...Is the "father" responsible then??? WHY???

            NOBAMA!!!

            • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 1:00:36 PM

              Because then it is a child and not a fetus and not part of my body. Would you prefer no one takes care of the baby after it is born? you are sick.. Geez by a basic anatomy book. Oh but your religious so you probably don't read anything scientific.

              • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 1:21:13 PM

                Actually medical science does not agree with your version of when life begins.

                • Posted By: Kristenn @ 10/17/2008 1:57:42 PM

                  Medical science doesn't agree with your definition that life begins at conception. Currently when life begins is an opinion, some opionions are better supported by scientific observation then others, but they are still just opinions. And contrary to what some of you think very, very few women make the decision to have an abortion lightly. Life and death decisions are never easy, stop belittling people who don't agree with you. It is possible to disagree civilly.

                • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 1:41:47 PM

                  I realize that science can hear a heartbeat at around 4 weeks. Did you know that there are single cell organizems with a "heartbbeat"? There have this part in the cell like one vein and it pumps. Interesting huh? I don't thinkthat that call is a person. :)

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/17/2008 12:18:49 PM

      Aw, Roller, and you were doing so good until the last sentence, I was actually starting to think you were really interested in what we had to say.

      Who's going to step into the kind of prejudice minefield you just planed with the "sick hypocrites" thing? You already have your mind made up. Nobody wants to take the time to respond to you if all you're going to do is hate the *** out of us no matter what we type.

      • Posted By: Kristenn @ 10/17/2008 12:44:58 PM

        The unborn fetus gains human rights upon its first breath outside the mother's womb. Cutting the umbilical cord has nothing to do with it. The fetus is not a child until it can sustain it's own life outside the mother's womb.

        When it is the father's life at risk bringing that child into the world then the father can have a say about bringing the pregnency to term.

        Yes the father should be financial responsible for supporting the child, whether he wanted it aborted or not, he choose to have unprotected sex and life comes with consequences.

        When men take responsiblity for having sex and terms like " boys will be boys, and you can't blame a guy for trying" stop being excuses there will be fewer unwanted pregnencies. There will however still be womening dieing while bringing new life into the world. The only hypocrites I see are those who consider one life more important then another.

    • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 12:28:35 PM

      If a man wanted the baby so much let him carry it. Men have no say either way, it's their sperm no their bodys. Men shouldn't even have an opinion on abortion. I hate it when men who abandon children, rape their daughters, rape women, should have a say? PLease, men can't have babies you should be able to accept at least that much from science.

  • Posted By: IAmommy @ 10/17/2008 1:55:54 PM

    Wow! I have read through every comment on here & so far I've seen only a handful of educated, well articulated responses that are not just mud-slinging, name calling, & utterly ignorant attacks on one belief versus the other. I would now like to add my two cents for what it's worth.
    I am in my late 20's, the proud mother of 2, & a christian. I personally do not agree with abortion, HOWEVER, I do believe that when a woman/girl is raped or molested, the morning after pill should be readily available to them; and barring that from working, an abortion allowed. I would not wish either of those resulting pregnancies on anyone because it is just cruel & inhumane to make someone relive something like that over & over. The act happening the first time around is enough.
    As for late term abortions, I'm not sure honestly. I do agree that if it is determind continuing the pregnancy would/could kill the mother, it should be allowed. But at the same time I would want verifiable proof, not just someones word, because as many of you have said, people lie.
    I believe that abortion for an unwanted or teenage pregnancy is just plain wrong. That is my personal opinion & I am not asking any of you to agree with me. I also think that Roe vs. Wade should be overturned, in the respect that a new, more up-to-date version be set in it's place. When it was signed into law, it was sufficient for the time. Now kids, & yes i mean KIDS, are having sex, not just those over 18. They are having sex because they want to, or because all their friends are, or because of some misguided idea that the other person will love them like they aren't at home if they are intimate with them like that. Also, their parents are expecting the schools to raise their kids concerning sex more so nowadays than before. This is not a good idea people! I believe that kids would be benefitted by both abstinance & safe sex education in schools &, most importantly, at home. I had both in school & so had the correct information, I believe, to make the decision to have sex when I did. And I got pregnant, out of wedlock, at 21yrs old; but having an abortion was never an option for me because I was raised to be responsible for the choices I make, & to stop & think before I made decisions that could impact my life like that.

  • Posted By: toyak1 @ 10/17/2008 11:58:22 AM

    Who is McCain or anyone else to say a what a woman can do with her body? I work in an ob/gyn office where I see so many new mothers coming in with postpartum depression, regreting having a baby. I belive in abortion, but not as a method of birth control. There are many children in this world that is a result of rape, incest, or not being protected correctly. You have women having babies that they do not want. Sometimes they do the right thing and give the child up for adoption or take it to a safe haven so they will not get charged for child abdonment . Then you have those who just do not want to be or know how to be a mother and kill the child. They were better off just getting an abortion in the first place. I would not want to have a child as a result of rape. Many of you think McCain is right, but let your daughter or granddaughter end up pregnant as a result of a criminal act. I am so sure you will feel different .

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 12:12:52 PM

      I am sure that no one has an abortion suffers from depression. Get real.

      • Posted By: toyak1 @ 10/17/2008 12:53:59 PM

        I did and I am so sure I was not the only one. Thank you!!

        • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 1:23:09 PM

          Well, you shouldn't, because you didn't do anything wrong. Unless your religious... then your screwed.

          • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 1:33:14 PM

            What a cruel and mean spirit response to another's pain. Grow up!

            • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 1:52:31 PM

              Look lady I'm glad you have you kids and you like them. I think that's great. Don't be a pusher. No one should feel bad about abortions. ANd I think that genreally in most cacsaes people who feel bad are religious. Because it's your religion and those who push religion that perpetrates this guilt, not the person.

  • Posted By: jeanette32 @ 10/17/2008 1:39:49 PM

    We as americans in this free country we live in should not judge other. Especially if you are a christian. It not anyones business what a women does with her body. I would have a abortion personally but It's not my business what the next person does. That's what is suppose to be so great about living in a free country. To all you men that are pro-life....you don't understand a women body or what we go through when we are pregnant.

  • Posted By: easydoesit @ 10/17/2008 1:19:52 PM

    As I've always suspected... 'pro-life' believers are not really about life. They are about unborn fetuses. If they were really PRO life they would not indorse laws or votes that causes Death, such as death penalty or war funding. Being FOR life would require that. But exposure to this argument for years has not convienced me at all that pro fetus believers even considers life beyond the womb. They will even vote against funding of support toward programs that enhance life after birth, such as Headstart, Breakfast programs, medical benefits, educational aid, and after school programs. 18,000 children starve or die through illness due to malnutritian every singe day, day in and day out, on this planet, and we are carrying on about what constitutes a Mother's health needs related to her unborn fetus. Time to call it what is really is... PRO FETUS, only that. Don't get all uppity about LIfe when you do not endorce it exclusively but cherry pick your belief in it's sanctity. Time to put your vote where your conviction is if you really and truely are prolife.

    • Posted By: livekiter @ 10/17/2008 1:27:14 PM

      perhaps you not be so quick to generalize all pro-lifers to be against all those causes you just mentioned. There are plenty of people who view all life as sacred and worth fighting for. That would include starving children as well as 80 year olds.

      • Posted By: livekiter @ 10/17/2008 1:39:07 PM

        I honestly believe that Obama is best equipped to handle ALL the issues our country faces. However, just because I disagree wih his position on abortion does not mean that I think his approach can't make some postive strides towards the end goal -- which is to reduce them. Unfortunately this nation is incapable of eliminating anything. There will always be an underground market regardless of what the law "of our time" is.

  • Posted By: dsqard @ 10/17/2008 1:35:30 PM

    Here is the deal. Pro-choice is NOT interchangeable with "pro-abortion". Pro-choice means that no one else but the pregnant WOMAN gets to make the decision about her own body. I don't get to dictate to you about what religion (a choice that any American can make for themselves) you get to be and you don't get to dictate to me what I do with my body. I have been fortunate to never have had to make this kind of decision but I do know a few women who have. It is a decision that they never made lightly but it was theirs to make and I would never dream of judging them on it. I have ABSOLUTELY no right to tell another woman what to do with her own womb and neither does anyone else. If you don't like abortions, don't have one. If Roe v. Wade is ever overturned, I would suggest that there be new laws put in place so that the "man's" responsibility begins at conception as well. If you are going to dictate to a woman that she has got to carry the baby to term, than the man (or his parents if the father is underage) MUST start financially and medically supporting the mother at conception. The father would have to attend all doctor's appointments and the birth. It takes two to create a child and if the mother's responsibility starts at conception then so does the father's.

  • Posted By: besmith @ 10/17/2008 1:32:47 PM

    The doctors did not agree on whether my health, or life was at stake when I had my baby. I made the choice to have her, but my primary care physician said after it was over" I wouldn't have given you a nickel that either one of you would have survived." While the specialists I had to see every weekapproved the decision and got me thru it.
    When you talk about extremes-talk about the antichoice movement. In LA a few years ago the state legislature voted that women with etopic pregnancies could not end them. A tubal pregnancy that could not possiably have suceeded. This is what happens when politicians get involved in health decisions.

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