'Health' of the Mother

Religion seems to always come up here, since it is the application of agency and morality at stake. Now about those who say God leaves it up to individuals to determine their own moral code--those who say this make God a lie, for how can there be such a God? There cannot, for God would cease to be God, and each person would instead become their own god. This is the paradise of atheists. Our lawmakers would cease to be our lawmakers if they left lawmaking up to each individual citizen to make their own personal set of laws. No, God does not leave morality, or His laws, to individual whims and self-justification. God transcends any social movement and any cultural value system. God is the author and judge of eternal law. Hence, eternal law is applicable to every individual under the authority of God???and that???s everyone.
Let???s break this down. God has also given us our personal agency, which is at the heart of the question in this debate. We can abuse this agency (our ability to choose) and act contrary to God???s laws. Merely because a person can abuse their agency doesn???t mean consequences will not follow. In fact, our ability to abuse our agency necessitates consequence. A man???s sight is no good to him when there is nothing to see and thick darkness is all around him. No, it could be said that he cannot see anything, the same as a blind man. If there were no consequences for our actions, for good or bad, then our freedom of choice would be hollow and meaningless. There is no way around it.
Either you are living by God???s law or you are living contrary to God???s law. This must be the choice for you to effectively exercise your ability to choose. There must of equal necessity be a consequence to your decision, good for that which is good and bad for that which is bad. If God does not reward punishment for evil, then He is a liar and a fallen God. And if there is no captain at the helm the entire ship would sink. We would cease to be, since without this order everything would go back to chaos, both matter and morals. But we still are, so we know He still is, and since He is, there is His immutable law and an eternal consequence to breaking His eternal law. It is absurd to think the matter of abortion is a personal choice without consequence for the individual, the child, and the community involved. Democracy has made us all involved???if you give a murderer a gun knowing he will use it to commit murder, you are just as guilty.
And to atheists who are annoyed by this and other religious comments???why do you care at all? Just go peacefully on your way to oblivion and keep your own sanctimonious rant to yourself if you want us to keep our opinions to ourselves. You atheists seem to try to find hypocrisy among religious individuals. Who told you hypocrisy is bad? Did you make that up? Did evolutionists teach you it is linked to the survival of the species that you know that hypocrisy is bad? Come on.

I am a Catholic pro-Life white Republican woman. I am voting for Obama.

People forget that BOTH Obama and McCain have been pro-Choice. McCain "flip-flopped" on this issue in 2004 when he started voting 90% with Bush. Prior to 2004 McCain was pro-Choice, and he even called Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell "agents of intolerance" (which in fact they were). Since that time he has stood on a stage with Jerry Falwell, praising him. So it is impossible to know what McCain actually thinks on this issue. Is he pandering to the religious right when he vows to overturn Roe v. Wade? What is really in his heart? How would he act if he were elected? Would you get the conservative McCain you see now, the liberal leftist McCain from 1999-2004? These inconsistencies disturb me. I know there is such a thing as political expedience, but the end result is that I can not trust McCain. Nobody knows his real views on abortion.

Furthermore, I think that Obama's position on abortion and many other issues is considerably more moderate than is generally assumed.

To all of the conservatives out there who think that Obama is a flaming liberal, I would like to remind you of what he did when he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. The Law Review President gets to name ten individuals to write articles for the Review, and these ten people also get to control the content of the publication. All of the minorities and the liberals thought they finally had it made, that Obama would appoint ten left wing editors. Instead, Obama appointed three conservatives, three liberals and four moderates. That year the Law Review was critically acclaimed as the best run and best written Harvard publication in decades.

So when he wins in November, conservatives don't have to freak out. Obama is a centrist and will appoint a balanced cabinet full of active people who will really get things done. This is exactly what our nation needs in this time of economic crisis.

Obama, the excuses are wearing thin. what excuse do you have for this one?:
http://www.againstobama.com/2008/10/obama-praised-searing-and-timely-book-by-ayers/

I am a Catholic pro-Life white Republican woman. I am voting for Obama.

People forget that BOTH Obama and McCain have been pro-Choice. McCain "flip-flopped" on this issue in 2004 when he started voting 90% with Bush. Prior to 2004 McCain was pro-Choice, and he even called Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell "agents of intolerance" (which in fact they were). Since that time he has stood on a stage with Jerry Falwell, praising him. So it is impossible to know what McCain actually thinks on this issue. Is he pandering to the religious right when he vows to overturn Roe v. Wade? What is really in his heart? How would he act if he were elected? Would you get the conservative McCain you see now, the liberal leftist McCain from 1999-2004? These inconsistencies disturb me. I know there is such a thing as political expedience, but the end result is that I can not trust McCain. Nobody knows his real views on abortion.

Furthermore, I think that Obama's position on abortion and many other issues is considerably more moderate than is generally assumed.

To all of the conservatives out there who think that Obama is a flaming liberal, I would like to remind you of what he did when he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. The Law Review President gets to name ten individuals to write articles for the Review, and these ten people get to control the content of the publication. All of the minorities and the liberals thought they finally had it made, that Obama would appoint ten left wing editors. Instead, Obama appointed three conservatives, three liberals and four moderates. That year the Law Review was critically acclaimed as the best run and best written Harvard publication in decades.

So when he wins in November, conservatives don't have to freak out. Obama is a centrist and will appoint a balanced cabinet full of active people who will really get things done. This is exactly what our nation needs in this time of economic crisis.

What I don't understand about the McCain/Palin position is this; they constantly talk about reducing Government, how Government doesn't need to be involved in everything, yet the one area they want to intrude and police my life is in the concept of abortion. I personally don't believe in abortion for myself, but I am pro-choice. I can't imagine how difficult such a decision might be but having the choice should never be taken away. How can the republican's think we should reduce government and be more lax on gun control (guns which can kill people) but think we need to put more restrictions on a woman's right to choose? It's condescending to believe that all women need is counselling and all issues will be resolved.

Don't get me started. If I hear one more word about "god" being involved in the process of giving birth, I will scream. It's the MOTHER that carries to term, not the population as a whole. If left to the militant christian fundamentalists, they would seek to FORCE a child that has been impregnated through rape or incest to give birth to a baby that she did not willingly lie down to make. A child that she would either be forced to give up for adoption, or raise with the memory of the violence that was perpetuated against her. It's every mothers RIGHT to make that CHOICE! The population as a whole doesn't have to live with the guilt, grief and pain. The MOTHER DOES! So get off your soapbox and look at the world as it really is and forget about trying to control what should be every womans right. Rose colored glasses really do not make the world look better, just pink.

Comparing a fetus to an elderly person is beyond ridiculous.

HUSSEIN OK WITH INFANTICIDE..........

On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only state senator to speak in opposition to SB 1095. The bill was carefully limited, its language unambiguous. It applied only to premature babies, already born alive. It stated simply that under Illinois law,


"the words ???person," "human being," "child," and "individual" include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development."


There was no conflict between this bill and the right to a legal abortion.


An identical bill -- the Born Alive Infants Bill -- was passed by the U.S. Senate 98-0 with support from even Senator Barbara Boxer, the Senate's leading pro-choice-champion, who stated that the bill did not pose any threats to the Roe v. Wade decision.

...I'm sure he only approves for the infidel babies however....

NOBAMA!!!

Obama's view of the future of America - Socialism which is the next step to Communism!! He admitted to Joe the Plumber than he wanted to spread the wealth! He said that he wanted to make everyone equal! Is America ready for Socialism? The Iranian president, Ahmadinejad, said today that he is glad to see the end to capitalism in America!! Are you glad?????
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Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another's wealth but also the desire to see another's wealth lowered to the level of one's own. Socialism's teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini. The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: "Common good comes before private good." Fascism, said
Mussolini, is "a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests??realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies."

Socialism is the social system which institutionalizes envy and self-sacrifice: It is the social system which uses compulsion and the organized violence of the State to expropriate wealth from the producer class for its redistribution to the parasitical class.

Despite the intellectuals' psychotic hatred of capitalism, it is the only moral and just social system.

Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders--that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one's birth or station in life.

Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient. [What about the role of luck­ being in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time? R. R. Pope}

What alot of people here don't seem to realize is that abortions will happen even if it's illegal. Then we have to deal with the loss of the teen mothers lives from a botched "do it yourself" with a coathanger in the bathroom of a school. Many people don't even think of the terms someone has to come to within themselves just to come to a decision like that. And FYI, most partial birth abortions are done when the infant doesn't have the capacity for survival. as for the rest, there are many instances when carrying a baby is not in the best "health" interest of the mother.
Imagine for a second that you are a little 13 year old girl. A month ago you were raped by an 18 year old in the woods by your school. Today, scared, you sit in a doctors office anxiously waiting with your worried mom and day for the results of a pregnancy test. The doctor comes in and tells you you are having a baby. You and your mother start sobbing and cling to eachother as your dad asks what your options are. The doctor tells the truth...at your age, the risk involved with a pregnancy and the chance of birth defects are so great that he would not recommend going through with it, you only started your period last year. He pulls your parents aside and tells them that it is their decision but they need to look at my age and everything involved.
Do any of you think the dicision to abort would come lightly? I believe this girl should have a choice to be a child, or to carry a baby who may be born with a host of problems. But ultimately, the choice is between her, and her parents with a doctor's advice. This is a "mothers health" issue. "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Where would it stop if we gave the government jurisdiction over abortion, would they be able to deny chemo for cancer patients because they are "too old"? What about other procedures? Think about it, do you want the government making all your decisions for you? I am pro-choice, and I have three kids, because I made a choice. Everyone deserves that right.

Everyone of voting age should read these two books written by Obama, 'Dreams of My Father' and 'Audacity of Hope'. Don't buy them, get them from the library before they are removed from the shelves.

From 'Dreams of My Father', "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

From 'Dreams of My Father', "'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

From 'Dreams of My Father', "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

From 'Dreams of My Father', "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

From 'Dreams of My Father', "I never emulate WHITE men and BROWN men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

From 'Audacity of Hope', "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Why didn't you describe what a partial birth and late term abortion entails? Or provide pictures?
Obama does not support women because he wants to eliminate the pennies that crisis pregnancy centers receive which help support women if they want to keep their babies. He also advocates bills allowing teens to receive abortions with out parental notification. OUTRAGEOUS.

BTW, Even Norma McVey (ROE) is against abortion and realized she was used to create a law to allow convenient killing of infants. WHy don't you report any of this Newsweek? So much for unbiased journalism.

If we are going to eliminate these inconvienient "parasites" that crept into womens wombs...why not get rid of some of the reallly inconvienient burdens???

Nursing Homes throughout America are full of...USLESS...INCOMPETENT...SICK...and BURDENSOME...OLD PEOPLE...Hussein, Pelosi, and Reid can get together and pass a EUTHENASIA BILL....think of the suffering they could eliminate

Think of the $$$ that would be freed up...Most are on Medicaid....costing us BILLIONS to keep alive....many are in late stages of Alzheimer's...they are a HUGE BURDEN to family and society.....

Hussein could increase his Welfare Checks to ya'll.....

I'm sure some of Ya'll have already thought of this...it is the Humane thing to do...isn't it???

I'll bet we could get some Obama Bucks to pay for the cremations......

NOBAMA!!!

willing to adopt

As for me , and some of my Christian friends having a Babies are a gift . Because we just to lay down and have sex with just ever joe that comes along. and then say it the babies fault it in side me . So I must make it go a way because . It would mess up my life. What about The STDs you probably have for haveing sex with ever Tom , dick , and Harry . Has that not mess up your life . I have not be blessed yet by adopting .
But I have three firends that have one has 10, then one has7 and then one has 1 .
I know Christian friends that have waited years to asopt . They have not been able to get a Child in The
USA because of all the red tape.
The have gone to other China and other nations to recive the gift. Oh the one with seven has a hart for the
children other would not take like the one that are 10 to 18 years of age.
Seeing Obama wants to start some many new goverment programs let stop kill and murdering children
and make a plan to save them.