'Health' of the Mother

having watching a cousin suffer through the final 5 1/2 months of a pregnacy that was doomed to end in an infant funeral due to a condition that left the "infant" with no brain or brain stem at all; in other words that left this 'unborn' with no life expectancy once was it was separated from it's host womb ( yeah---Mother)---in fact with not even enough brsin stem to even allow it to breathe, but that the circumstances of-- where she lived--- to force her to carry to full term and then birth what would never be anything more than a pre-known still-birth, THAT I found so cruel, as to be beyond belief. It took 5 years for that poor woman to even contemplate risking another pregnancy. To this day she still harbors feelings that she's to blame.
I'd rather blame any system thst fordes a woman to carrry any pregnacy to that length in the name of being " Pro-Life" It makes it seem that all w woman are is walking womb factories.

nimodahooligan, you are right on! We need to make a distinction between Pro-Life and Pro-Birth. If the repubs want to take away safe, legal access to contraception and abortion, they better dawn well be willing to pay more taxes (or defer defense spending) so that those children are taken care of. The right's refusal to do so indicates that misogyny is the underlying driver, NOT the welfare of children

Posted By: wisemanjo @ 10/17/2008 11:22:46 PM
Comment: To BAXCY: Giving a "rat's ass" is hardly fair to the rat. Why is it always the rat who has to sacrifice his ass when it comes to important issues? The rat is an innocent little creature, created by God and has rights too, ya know.Did anyone ask the rat if he would mind if we killed him for a little thing we call an opinion? What's that?? I can't hear you? OH IT"S BECAUSE THE RAT DOESN"T HAVE A VOICE. I think you should apologize to the rat and the rats before him who laid their asses down for the preposterus notion that an unborn chlld has rights. I mean if he has to take it up the ass I guess the unborn child with no voice is gonna have to take the hit as well. All's fair in the animal kingdom; only the strong survive




Posted By: baxcy @ 10/17/2008 9:44:57 PM
Comment: I find it very curious that people who are such staunch pro-lifers who have such strong opinons about abortion at even the earliest of stages, never give a rats ass about animal rights. Most prolifers will expend tremendous amounts of energy in hatred and action towards anything antiabortion to save even the smallest mass of human cells but wouldn't lift a finger to stand up for animals who suffer daily in unimaginable ways.

ANY woman, repeat, ANY woman ANYWHERE and ANYTIME, that chooses to have an abortion where the REAL reason is primarily "convenience" instead of when her health is in dire risk will one day stand before God and be judged for her selfishness. Men who participated in the process of creation only to selfishly walk away will also be held accountable. It won't be a pretty sight for women or men who put themselves in this situation. Consider yourself warned. Don't believe me? Go ask God yourself but be prepared to listen to what He has to say on the matter or, with your desire to ignore what He says, the Heavens and the knowledge they possess will be closed to you.

It saddens me tremendously that people choose to be so incredibly shortsighted and offended over anything good and decent like John McCain's "evil" airquotes and his accompanying remark. On the other hand, my heart is encouraged when I read some of the posts below that prove that not everyone in America is stupid and without faith in God and their need to exercise personal responsibility.

May God bless America and all those who truly love her.

Folks, how far are you willing to take this "right to choose" justification? Let's go back to the 1860's. Maybe the abolitionists shouldn't have fought to outlaw slavery because it was denying their "right to choose" to own slaves? Would you agree with that today? Hopefully not, and yet back then they definitely felt it was a property rights issue. Would those opposed to slavery back then have said (like many of you) that they "personally are opposed" to slavery but "who am I" to tell them what to do? And yet, thankfully , Abe Lincoln and others saw the EVIL of slavery and opposed it. And most of us today are thankful that they imposed their will against that evil. So should it be with abortion. Sure some will disagree. But evil is evil. It must be stopped. ALL laws involve the imposing of morality. These are babies being killed. 50 million since 1973. Does that not bother anyone anymore?

Or to look at it another way....why stop with killing babies in the womb....why not allow it in the 1st few years of life? After all, many moms get depressed after the birth of a child (the "health" exception). Many have to halt their careers to care for their children. Why not allow the killing of these children as well if it's causing inconvenience to the mother??? I'm being a bit facetious, but it's a legtitimate question....how far will this line of thinking go? The baby is being forgotten about in all of this. That's the goal of the pro-abortion radicals....just focus on the "woman's right'" aspect and ignore the baby (call it "fetus" to impersonalize it). But we all know better if we're honest. It's a life. That's why the other side avoids talking about it. That's why pro-abortion politicians like Obama and Clinton want to keep abortion rare....yet they want to keep it to appease their radical pro-abortion supporters who fill their campaigns with Millions of $$ because they make so much profit off of abortion. It's blood money and one day they'll give account.
God is calling this nation back to Himself. I pray it happens soon.

Ok, i have to say something because this is just too much between these two.
HolyRoller, just stop, please. You are making yourself sound crazy & fanatic & giving a bad name to those of us christians who are not this zealous in spreading our opinions. I am sure that is not the type of person you really are.
Trishalish, same goes. You are coming across as an ice-cold b@$%! for lack of a better term. I'm sure you are not a cold & unfeeling person, but you are not helping your cause coming across as vehemently as you are.
The way you two are going back & forth with each other & other people make you sound like a couple of high school girls that have nothing better to do than be instigators. It's not becoming of either one of you, as I'm sure that you are educated people to have the strong views that you do.

No one knows the potential of the person being housed in the womb. If Beethoven's parents had available the technology to tell them he would be born both blind and deaf, do you think they would have had an abortion? Probably. And at the advice of their doctor and so many others who would just want to spare poor Ludwig the pain of living a horrible life; it would be better to just put him out of his misery now. And the world would never hear some of the greatest music known to man.

If Martin Luther King's mother had the choice to give birth to another hungry mouth, living in poverty, struggling to be accepted just because of his skin color, do you think she would have an abortion? Possibly. Why bother bringing another life into this world when you know he will be gunned down by an assasin's bullet anyway? Then there would never have been the civil rights movement.

Out of the 40 million abortions since Roe v Wade, how much greatness have we stolen from society? Perhaps one of them had the cure for cancer. Perhaps one of them could solve world hunger. Perhaps one of them could bring peace to the Middle East. Or Perhaps one of them could have written that one song you just had to have played on your wedding day. One thing is certain: we will never know.

It's really simple. If you don't have a uterus; it's none of your business. If you do have a uterus; your uterus is your business, but nobody else's is.

hr - so you are willing to kill and injure women.

What about pregnancies caused by rape and incest? Mother's health isn't the only issue.

It has never, and never will be, anyone's right to kill another human. You are sick in the mind just like Obama. He voted against saving a baby's life that was born alive from a botched abortion. He also voted not to ban partial birth abortion where the doctor holds the baby by the feet, reaches into the womb, punctures the baby's skull, and sucks out the brain. Aren't you glad that you were allowed to live? Obama wants to practice Hitler's ideas. Please don't vote for him. He has Socialist ideas. Even the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said today that he was happy to see the end of capitalism in America. Wake up America and see through Obama's smoke screen.

obama is a baby killer. If he wants women kill their babies, why he did not kill his own? What is the difference?
Lots a women hate him for that reason . I will preffer to kill a grown up person, that i little baby that can not deffend themselves. He is a cower. God should punish him.he is muslin, he does no care to kill.
he does not care to kill or not to kill.

Karl Rove and the GOP are shamelessly exploiting the Christian faith. For me, this is a main reason not to vote Republican this year, just as big as the war and the economy.

I am a Catholic and I strongly believe in the separation of Church and State. I am very concerned about McCain's stated intention of appointing more religious right judges to the Supreme Court with the goal of overturning Roe v, Wade. McCain discusses this goal on his website, and even mentioned it in the last debate.

Even though I personally don't think abortion is acceptable, I do think that reproductive rights are civil rights. Ask the women in China whose second children have been taken away how much they would like to control their reproductive rights. Or the Mormon teenagers who were forced into "marriages" below the age of consent. Without reproductive rights, life can become very dismal indeed.

Right now, five of the nine Supreme Court Justices are Catholic. We have a CATHOLIC MAJORITY in the Supreme Court. Four of these Justices (Scalia, Alito, Thomas and Roberts) have consistently voted a conservative anti-abortion ticket. The fifth Catholic Justice (Kennedy) is a moderate, who sometimes votes in favor of abortion rights, sometimes against. Justice Stevens, a liberal on abortion, is 88 years old. Justice Ginsburg, another liberal on abortion, is 75. Kennedy, the centrist Catholic, is 72. Chances are good, given their ages, that at least one of them will die or retire during the term of the next President. And if our next President is McCain, presto-chango, we suddenly have a Supreme Court that is controlled by conservative Catholics.

Even though I am a Catholic who is against abortion, I can see the dangers of the highest court in the land interpreting the law through narrow eyes. This can't be good for America. Why not let the Protestants, the Jews or the Baptists control the Supreme Court? That sounds pretty ridiculous, doesn't it? Or how about the Buddhists (they might actually be more impartial). Perhaps we should hand over the Supreme Court to a Muslim majority? That would make us all scream, wouldn't it? Having a conservative Catholic majority is just as bad, if you stop to think about it.

Obama's view of the future of America - Socialism which is the next step to Communism!! He admitted to Joe the Plumber than he wanted to spread the wealth! He said that he wanted to make everyone equal! Is America ready for Socialism? The Iranian president, Ahmadinejad, said today that he is glad to see the end to capitalism in America!! Are you glad?????
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Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another's wealth but also the desire to see another's wealth lowered to the level of one's own. Socialism's teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini. The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: "Common good comes before private good." Fascism, said
Mussolini, is "a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests??realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies."

Socialism is the social system which institutionalizes envy and self-sacrifice: It is the social system which uses compulsion and the organized violence of the State to expropriate wealth from the producer class for its redistribution to the parasitical class.

Despite the intellectuals' psychotic hatred of capitalism, it is the only moral and just social system.

Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders--that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one's birth or station in life.

Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient. [What about the role of luck­ being in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time? R. R. Pope}

Everyone of voting age should read these two books written by Obama, 'Dreams of My Father' and 'Audacity of Hope'. Don't buy them, get them from the library before they are removed from the shelves.

From 'Dreams of My Father', "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

From 'Dreams of My Father', "'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

From 'Dreams of My Father', "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

From 'Dreams of My Father', "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

From 'Dreams of My Father', "I never emulate WHITE men and BROWN men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

From 'Audacity of Hope', "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

............................................McCain at 72 is in the last stages of his shot at being President and he is loosing in the polls so he has moved in Full Desperation Mode. to throw as much sleaze and wild charges at Obama in hopes of getting in the White House. "Maverick" McCain has alot of wild ideas that his Campaign has him giving us but mostly McCain is a substandard candidate that has some knowledge of Military Affairs that he has used to his advantage since his release from being a POW. "Maverick" McCain has rode the Military Guy Role for all these years to keep himself in office...................the only problem now is that America is not interested in Military War Making.....America now is interested in Economic Recovery and needs a good steady leader, not a Unpredictable Flake!!!!!!