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  • Posted By: kathie2ark @ 10/17/2008 11:16:02 PM

    When is someone going to start telling the truth? Every four years we go through this, the right uses abortion as a moral spear and the left uses Roe to extort women into voting their way. The truth is, Roe is not going to be overturned without a Constitutional amendment, and in 30 years of working in the medical field I have never seen nor heard of a so-called later-term abortion. Abortion implies killng the fetus. To terminate a pregnancy with a viable fetus is called induction of labor, and short of infanticide which is illegal, any baby born breathing would be taken to the NICU regardless of the mother's wishes. Enough of this outrageous pandering and distortion. Shame on you, you should know better.

    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/18/2008 3:34:45 AM

      Sadly, facts rarely affect opinion.

  • Posted By: Ebles @ 10/17/2008 11:50:02 PM

    Has anyone ever heard of the Morning After Pill??? www.morningafterpill.org
    If a woman was raped...don't you think she would know about it the morning after? If someone does not want to get pregnant I recommend not having sex, use a contraceptive (many are 99% accurate), how about tying the tubes or all of the above??? You know what you don't HAVE to have sex....unless it's forced on you and then there is the morning after pill. I think I'd rather be RESPONSIBLE (a word that isn't often used) about sex and its risks (like getting pregnant) rather than killing an innocent life. Pregnancy can be dangerous so if you are afraid of losing your life or you just aren't in a position to have a baby.....then how about PREVENTION? If your life is in danger than the baby's life would be in danger.....so I would think that delivering the baby early would be better....rather than abortion! Many babies have lived after coming into this world at only 22 wks (and they can be healthy???..heaven forbid if your child might have a disability???sarcasm if you couldn???t tell). If this should all be about choice....why not retain the right to kill anyone?....I guess because you haven't had a breath of air it's OK ; ).....just go on telling your selves that. This subject gets so much press???.funny thing is most abortions are from women in their mid to late 20???s who have already had a child???.makes a lot of sense huh???.so they know how the whole pregnancy thing happens and probably know that it CAN be prevented. Well in this society it???s really no surprise that we would actually make people deal with the consequences of their actions and actually have people just give birth???and if they really aren???t in the position to take care of A PERSON then to go through the process of adoption???.I guess that would be hard. There are always exceptions to subjects that can tug heart strings but the truth is MOST of the time that???s not the case. Sure, go and use 1% or less of a population to make rules for everyone???that makes total sense. I guess sex is a more important right???.rather than life???.yup???.that sounds about right.

    • Posted By: artemis8 @ 10/18/2008 12:56:41 AM

      of course, blame the woman. it's always the woman's fault when she gets pregnant. the man has no responsibility at all, just the woman. she should have surgery, which usually cannot be undone, so she doesn't get pregnant. i've got an idea, let's castrate men so they can't impregnant women. let's do everything medically, so we can cut sex out all together, because it's evil. sex is only for making babies and nothing more, so if you have sex, you better want to have a kid. GET REAL!

      • Posted By: lmgctg @ 10/18/2008 2:00:52 AM

        Agghh!!! Yes, that's it...blame the woman. You have GOT to be joking!!! The woman is just as much to blame as the man. :You know what? They both are at fault. Who isn't? The resulting baby. How can you live with yourself? Honesty...it's sickening. The only consoling part is that your kids won't live to carry on your inane and selfish viewpoint. Enjoy your "freedom". Can't wait to support you and your hypocritcial choices in '09!!! Thanks, Obama!

        • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/18/2008 3:29:15 AM

          You put "freedom" in quotes as McCain put "health".

  • Posted By: tip tip @ 10/18/2008 12:00:36 AM

    A child is conceived. Life begins its cycle of cells multiplying and forming. A child grows. To kill this growing life is wrong. When conception happens, it is no longer just your body, you are carrying a baby's body in you. To the man whose wife and baby (with broken bone problem), my heart goes out to you. That was unavoidable due to true medical reasons. To the nurse in the OB room, I had post partum depression and I thought that I had made a horrible mistake by having a child. Now that I am well, due to meds and counseling, I could not imagine that. I did not think I made a mistake haing my chld, but by getting pregnant. It was not her choice to be conceived. She is truly a bright and shining lisght in this world and I love her dearly.

    Aborttion is not a choice, it is murder. True medical reasons aside. We protect animals, trees, and other nonsense but do not protect thise growing cildren.

    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/18/2008 3:28:13 AM

      We do plenty to protect children. Once they are born and are people.

  • Posted By: VoteforMe @ 10/17/2008 1:40:57 PM

    easydoesit got it perfectly right!

    If the pro-life advocates believe that life begins at conception then none of them should use preventive tools when having sex because the idea of prevention is to kill the same "life" they want to protect.

    You see, we have too many of these inconsistent individuals in our society. The pro-lifes have wasted their energy condemning pro-abortion advocates for the same practice that they are also guilty of.

    Next time, you talk to a pro-life advocate that advocates a prevention method that is not "Abstinence" call that person "Baby killer" if he/she believes life begins at conception.

    • Posted By: Luridmoon @ 10/18/2008 2:46:39 AM

      Also, men's sperm is considered living, as a woman's egg. When a man pulls out or puts on a condom, he is killing life. When a woman prevents her egg from fertilizing, that too is death, for that egg dies. All of them are equally guilty of "baby killing".

    • Posted By: livekiter @ 10/17/2008 1:51:08 PM

      wow...unbeleilable..

  • Posted By: DavidHouston @ 10/18/2008 2:36:08 AM

    n the third presidential debate Senator Obama made the claim that he would ban Partial Birth abortions if protection was given with regards to the health of the mother. This is an empty argument since the baby is killed after it has been 90% delivered and only its head is still in the womb. The mother's health is not in jeopardy for that last second it takes to deliver the baby. He is just being dishonest. Take a look at this video which goes into detail of this hideous procedure.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qu87aXc20

  • Posted By: DavidHouston @ 10/18/2008 2:34:35 AM

    In the third presidential debate Senator Obama made the claim that he would ban Partial Birth abortions if protection was given with regards to the health of the mother. This is an empty argument since the baby is killed after it has been 90% delivered and only its head is still in the womb. The mother's health is not in jeopardy for that last second it takes to deliver the baby. He is just being dishonest. Take a look at this video which goes into detail of this hideous procedure.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qu87aXc20

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qu87aXc20

  • Posted By: DisciplineIsFreedom @ 10/17/2008 9:07:15 PM

    The unborn do not suffer, but unwanted children do. What rational can there possibly be for not only bringing unwanted children into the world, but even doing so when another life ends because of it? That simply makes no sense. I think abortion should be the woman's choice alone so long as the fetus is unable to live on it's own outside her body. Once it could live on it's own if outside her body, then the only reason it should be aborted is if the mother would die or be seriously injured in exchange for giving it life. No one should be FORCED to die or be severely injured so that someone else can be born, though some women might choose to risk their lives and/or their health to make sure their child is born. Who are you to say her life is worth less than her child's? Are women so worthless to you?

    • Posted By: Kansan @ 10/18/2008 1:57:26 AM

      What do you mean by the unborn do not suffer? Evidence shows that the unborn child has developed physically to a point were the necessary biological attributes for sensing pain have developed by 8 weeks. A real time ultrasound video tape and movie of a 12- week suction abortion is commercially available as, The Silent Scream, narrated by Dr. B. Nathanson, a former abortionist. Idramatically, but factually, shows the pre-born baby dodging the suction instrument time after time, while its heartbeat doubles in rate. When finally caught, its body being dismembered, the baby???s mouth clearly opens wide ??? hence, the title.

    • Posted By: Kansan @ 10/18/2008 1:24:12 AM

      What do you mean that the unborn do not feel pain? This is only true of the unborn child is less than 8 weeks old. Evidence shows that 8 weeks the unborn child can feel pain and will recoil from it in the womb.

    • Posted By: SomeChick1234 @ 10/17/2008 10:12:25 PM

      If I kill you in such a way that you feel no pain, is that ok?

    • Posted By: SomeChick1234 @ 10/17/2008 10:11:16 PM

      Rediculous! The circumstances surrounding conception do not determine the quality of life. Try again.

  • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/18/2008 1:55:44 AM

    Obama's view of the future of America - Socialism which is the next step to Communism!! He admitted to Joe the Plumber than he wanted to spread the wealth! He said that he wanted to make everyone equal! Is America ready for Socialism? The Iranian president, Ahmadinejad, said today that he is glad to see the end to capitalism in America!! Are you glad?????
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    Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

    The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another's wealth but also the desire to see another's wealth lowered to the level of one's own. Socialism's teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini. The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: "Common good comes before private good." Fascism, said
    Mussolini, is "a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests??realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies."

    Socialism is the social system which institutionalizes envy and self-sacrifice: It is the social system which uses compulsion and the organized violence of the State to expropriate wealth from the producer class for its redistribution to the parasitical class.

    Despite the intellectuals' psychotic hatred of capitalism, it is the only moral and just social system.

    Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders--that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

    Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

    It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one's birth or station in life.

    Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient. [What about the role of luck­being in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time? R. R. Pope}

  • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/18/2008 1:50:52 AM

    Obama's view of the future of America - Socialism which is the next step to Communism!! He admitted to Joe the Plumber than he wanted to spread the wealth! He said that he wanted to make everyone equal! Is America ready for Socialism? The Iranian president, Ahmadinejad, said today that he is glad to see the end to capitalism in America!! Are you glad?????
    ====================================================================================================


    Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

    The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another's wealth but also the desire to see another's wealth lowered to the level of one's own. Socialism's teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini. The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: "Common good comes before private good." Fascism, said
    Mussolini, is "a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests??realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies."

    Socialism is the social system which institutionalizes envy and self-sacrifice: It is the social system which uses compulsion and the organized violence of the State to expropriate wealth from the producer class for its redistribution to the parasitical class.

    Despite the intellectuals' psychotic hatred of capitalism, it is the only moral and just social system.

    Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders--that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

    Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

    It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one's birth or station in life.

    Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient. [What about the role of luck­being in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time? R. R. Pope}

  • Posted By: Kansan @ 10/17/2008 8:21:55 PM

    In Kansas, according to state law, abortions after 21 weeks can only be done to prevent maternal death that would be caused by the pregnancy or to "prevent substantial a nd irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman." Another part of the law requires the health reason to be documented and sent to the state. These forms have listed "health" reasons including depression and going to a rock concert.

    • Posted By: youngandhopeful @ 10/17/2008 8:23:29 PM

      Please stop spamming your comment. And just where did you get your facts?

      • Posted By: Kansan @ 10/18/2008 1:47:53 AM

        I apologize for the multiple posts. I did not realize but there was a delay in the post showing up on the page. As for the facts, Kansas law is public record. The other facts I mentioned were examples of reasons given the "health" exception was used. One is via an interview with Dr. Paul McHugh. The interview is posted on youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mviFMpy_sBU

  • Posted By: pagepeople @ 10/17/2008 7:17:46 PM

    what about when they operate on a 'fetus' to save it's life in a pregnant woman...aren't they recognizing it as a life then?? It's not even born and it's being recognized as a life, yet another woman can still opt to abort that fetus at the same stage, and in that situation it's not recognized as a life. It's pure hypocrisy. You can deliver a baby and not be 'forced' to raise it. Give it up for adoption, but at least give the life a chance. You never know if that one you're aborting could be the one to find a cure for cancer, or be the next greatest leader, or the next Einstein. This world needs all the hope it can get, and each new life brought here is just that...Hope.

    • Posted By: artemis8 @ 10/17/2008 7:52:02 PM

      your response is quite typical and truly sad. you seem to think that giving up a baby for adoption would be a simple and easy choice for a woman. however, the issue isn't the being "forced" to raise it, it's the being 'forced' to have it. there is a 9 month gestation period, in case you didn't know. for a woman who has been raped or is the product of incest, imagine how awful it would be to be reminded daily just by looking at yourself in the mirror. your argument that the baby could become the next great leader is also flawed. in agreement with the other person who posted, that life could turn out to be the next serial killer or pedophile. another angle to this, is what about the mother? you seem to have written off the woman in all of this. she could be the next president or the scientist who cures cancer. having a baby could lead to her dropping out of high school or college and not pursue her dreams. based on your logic, her dreams would no longer be relevant. her 'hope' is worthless in lieu of the 'possibility' that the baby would make something of itself.

      • Posted By: blake55 @ 10/17/2008 9:11:04 PM

        rape and incest rape and incest ...blah blah blah. what about the other 99% of abortions? Health of the mother is a load of crap too. McCain was dead on.

        • Posted By: artemis8 @ 10/18/2008 1:33:04 AM

          health of the mother is crap? you obviously know nothing about pregnancy. women with diabetes, who get pregnant have high rates of complications while carrying. this is also true for other women with various pre-existing conditions. many are willing to face the risks, which is commendable. others aren't and they shouldn't be forced to.

    • Posted By: closbo @ 10/17/2008 7:24:42 PM

      People are not arguing against the idea that a fetus is alive. People are denying that it should have the same status as a fully developed person.

      Also, if you were to outlaw abortion and everyone were forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, what would you do with such a population boom? Who is going to care for all these children? I suppose it would be all the pro-lifers or, gasp, welfare (!) Not even that, but how would we FEED everyone? The world does not have unlimited resources, and already a huge proportion of the world is starving. I suppose your solution is that we should all suffer together.

      Finally, your argument that the fetus could be the next greatest leader is faulty. The baby could easily be the next Hitler or Dahmer. "What if's" do not constitute valid logic.

  • Posted By: AlexParsnips @ 10/17/2008 8:46:29 PM

    I notice many people talk about what women "want" during pregnancy, as if the woman is the only person being affected by the "choice." I wonder how many of those people are thoughtful enough to consider that the baby deserves a right to life. Or are they just "not people" who don't deserve a chance at life? Sorry guys, but we've heard that argument before. We heard it regarding the Native Americans... and the blacks... and the Jews... and the Russian civilians. Enough is enough.

    • Posted By: artemis8 @ 10/17/2008 8:50:18 PM

      so your saying that the woman should not have any say in whether she gives birth or not? delusional much?

      • Posted By: SomeChick1234 @ 10/17/2008 10:20:25 PM

        What is delusional is that getting pregnant was totally out of her hands and the only choice available is whether or not to have an abortion. Please. There are plenty of choices long before it comes down to this one. She had power over all of them.

        • Posted By: artemis8 @ 10/18/2008 1:26:41 AM

          so she shouldn't have a choice once she's pregnant? thanks for making my point.

      • Posted By: WRIGHT0216 @ 10/17/2008 10:45:09 PM

        I agree withyou artemis8! Some of these posts have me so baffled!! Some of the pro-liferers on here that have voiced thier reasoning behind thier beliefs are completely insane! I dont understand why this is such a debate. It is a womans body. Her choice. Plain and simple. Medical science has given defintions for fetus and baby. I understand religon is going to play parts in everyone's stance on abortion but i bet many of these people have never stood in anyone of these people who have had abortions shoes. How about having thier 12 year old daughter raped by her stepfather and with that conceived a child. sick huh! how could anyone say that having that 12 year old CHILD deliver a baby from a situtaion like that would be more harmful than having an abortion. I agree that they should not be used as a form of birthcontrol. But things happen. choices arent always easy but who are we to judge anyone. I would seriously be willing to rethink my posoition if any person that is bringing religon up could say they have never commited a sin.....that includes lying and jealously......i dont think that even 10% of the people that have brought religon into this could do that. And one reason i can be so sure......is they are juding others for thier decisions, choices, and views. So our country needs to wake up! i belive in God. I belive he is the being of all. But choices have been made avaiable to us. If these choices werent sopposed to be, why has God allowed us to find them, have them, and give us free will?

  • Posted By: Dakotagal19 @ 10/17/2008 10:09:36 PM

    My personal belief is I could never have an abortion, but I have finally come to the realization that I can't tell someone else what to do. Each case is different. I would like to see more effort on education of men and women about birth control. But the religious right won't even consider that. Being uneducated leads to poor choices. We live in a diverse country with many belief systems. I am a Christian, but NOT a fundamentalist. I am deeply concerned by other people trying to push their religious beliefs on others. Your beliefs are your own, live by them, but do not presume to dictate to others what they can or cannot believe or do based on your own religious beliefs or lack thereof.. It is between a woman, her doctor and her god to make such a personal decision. And by the way, where are all of you "pro lifers" after the child is born? Where is all the concern? Do you help these young mothers, do you reach into your pocketbook and pay taxes to support these children and the programs they will need? Being unwanted will lead to many problems for these children, but by God, you good fundamentalist Christians woudl be the first in line screaming if your taxes went up to pay for these children. I never hear any of you speak about that. Jesus spoke a lot about love, helping the poor and not judging others. But all I hear from fundamentalists is jugement. Judgement and hatred towards unwed mothers, gays and anyone else who doesn't fit their narrow minded version of what a person should be. I still love Jesus, but I don't go the churches anymore. I don't see him there.

    • Posted By: halifax@gmail.com @ 10/17/2008 11:40:36 PM

      I don't know who was the first person to come up with the "religious right" phrase. Just another way to bring division between people. If you are a Christian you follow the Biblical Commandments if you don't then you're not a Christian. Christian means "Christlike" I can't think of a time that Christ promoted the killing of anyone. Do you think He would promote abortion? NO!!! Maybe we should all go back and read
      them again. But the specific one we are talking about here is Thou shall not kill. Destroying human life is
      killing. And the point I want to make is our tax dallars pay for these abortions, and I don't want to know that I help support the sinful acts of others. The way I see the choice thing is, they had a choice to not have sex if they didn't want to get pregnant, unless they were raped and that is another story, but most of the abortions are just a way of birth control. Tell me this "Why should a tiny baby that is still unable to protect its self not have a right to life, who are we that are living , to pass judgement of death on a innocent baby in the womb. One of these babies that were aborted already might just have been the future scientist to find a cure for cancer or to lead a divided nation to stand together again. We don't see the big picture God sees. His ways are much higher than ours.
      Please we must stand together on the Word of God. God said in IIChronicles chapter 7:14, " If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then, I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land". We need that today more than we have ever needed it.

      • Posted By: Dakotagal19 @ 10/18/2008 1:12:02 AM

        You make my point exactly. Judgemental. How many of your type support the Death penalty? So much for pro life. Oh, and my tax dollars go to support that too. You have no right to say I am not a christian. Only God knows what's in my heart, not you. People like you are the reason i don't go to church anymore. The bible was written thousands of years ago. It is a guide but if you belive every sentence should be taken literally thatn women are still property, and people should be stoned for many things. Yes, I have read the bible and some of the things in there are pretty scary. The first thing I noticed about Jesus was his compassion...and his forgiveness of others. The people he was most angry at were people that judged others and spread hatred in his name. Sounds a lot like the fundamentalist christianists to me, but I'll let Jesus decide if you are or are not a Christian. It's his call, not mine and certainly not yours. I belive in the Constitution as well as the bible and it says seperation of church and state. I don't want to live in a theocracy which is exactly what the fundamentalists want for this country. I see no difference between fundamentalist muslims and fundamentalist christians. Both are dangerous. The abortion issue will never be solved nor will it go away if you succeed in overturning roe v wade. It will go underground again and then the women will die as well as the fetus. But then that doesn't matter much does it?

    • Posted By: ProMomOf6 @ 10/17/2008 11:10:43 PM

      Nicely siad Dakotagal19, I myself am Wiccan. I was 15 when I got pregnant, first time I ever did anything in my life and there she was. No one helped me. Her father got scared and denied her, I quit school and got 2 jobs. Where was the help? Yes I could have gotten welfare, but I didn't because it would have made sure that I went where they wanted. My church asked that I stay home because I was giving the other "nice girls" the wrong idea. I worked damn hard to raise my daughters. I have 4 that I have raised and one boy. I do the right thing regardless of the thought of myself, but that doesn't mean it's right for everyone. I don't force people to come to my path, and I don't appreciate others trying to force their beliefs on anyone either. It seems like a personal attack rahter than concern in some instances. Believe what you want, but remember, free will gives YOU the right to believe what you want and that same free will gives everyone else the SAME RIGHT!

    • Posted By: SomeChick1234 @ 10/17/2008 10:25:18 PM

      Your argument is weak. There is no data to support "wanted" children do not "suffer" as a whole as "unwanted" children. I would much rather have lived even as an "unwanted" child than to have never lived at all. Silly argument.

    • Posted By: rartho @ 10/17/2008 10:20:09 PM

      Your heart seems to be mostly in the right place. If you understand what the Catholic Church teaches, you will see Jesus there. I know that not all Catholics, or Christians in general, practice what they preach. I also know that many misrepresent what the Church stands for. However, there are some of us that strive to live our Faith and that do support organizations that help the mothers in crisis pregnancies. They also help them once the babies are born.

  • Posted By: ndhousemover @ 10/17/2008 8:48:33 PM

    since when does a rape victim let herself go into the third trimester with the rapists child inside her? From my understanding there are procedures  for rape victims when they initially go to the hospital and get the rape kit. If it truly is "the womens body" then why is it  the babies heart that stops and not hers? If it's truly "her body" then why would she be arrested for shooting up heroin when it is "her body" that she is affecting? If that's the mentality we should be using then why not have heroin clinics for people to go and shoot up and do other drugs in a controlled environment. Hey,  I know, the government could do a program that let people do the drugs then after maybe they could hand them free samples of the drug of their choice and some condoms for their 13 year old kids while their at it.

    • Posted By: youngandhopeful @ 10/17/2008 8:57:33 PM

      Not all women who are raped report it afterwards for a variety of reasons some being shame, denial, and/or frea. Some women (or as is the case sometimes) teens or preteens may not realize they are pregnant until they are pretty far along. Others may have been being repeatedly raped by a family member or friend and unable to seek help. In all of these cases rape kits would not have been inthe picture.

      • Posted By: ndhousemover @ 10/18/2008 1:11:51 AM

        Your right! An abortion would make that shame, denial, and fear go away. As far as incest and rape, how can they not get to a clinic in the first couple of days or weeks but they have all the time in the world for an abortion. I know there are more scenerios than anyone can even begin to fathom on this subject but abortion should be the ultimate end not a form of birth control!

  • Posted By: *Straighttalker* @ 10/17/2008 11:29:57 PM

    Woman claim "it's my body, I can do what I want." Really? Then I'd like to see those who believe this way protest for "a women's right to prostitute herself," or "a women's right to do to drugs." After all, it's your body, right?

    • Posted By: whichwitch @ 10/18/2008 12:57:28 AM

      Enter Your Comment

      actually, yes, it is her choice... unless you're inplying that only men have the right to choose their lifestyles, or you are refusing to see that some women are forced or intimidated into drugs and prostitution--by men.perhaps? wouldn't surprise me...

  • Posted By: WRIGHT0216 @ 10/17/2008 11:31:14 PM

    I have spent over an hour reading these comments......some laughing so hard.....some nodding my head in agreeement......some just looking at the words not believing i just read that. So I must say.....for all of those that have brought religon into this debate you are as guilty as you want to belive these woman are of murder. you have judged them, thier decisions and thier beliefs. I am not sure what God it is that you belive in, but not the same as most of us. Our God is kind and not a cruel God. It is wonderful that we live in a world where we to get to have our own opinons, our beliefs, and get to discuss them such as this. But never judge anyone for any of thier choices or beliefs. Religon is a backbone to our beliefs for many of us. But to push it on any one else or to judge them in any type of way is not the way that we want our religon to be expressed. that is why relgion has been criticed so badly and taken out of most of the places it needs to be.

    • Posted By: halifax@gmail.com @ 10/17/2008 11:52:03 PM

      We are all guilty of sin the Bible tells us that. The Word of God judges sin and when we see sin being played out in our world today and we just sit back and laugh we are not doing what God said for us to do. We are to warn people of the coming judgement and how to escape, and that escape is only through the blood of Jesus.

      • Posted By: whichwitch @ 10/18/2008 12:53:27 AM

        ick... you would call an infant 6 seconds old guilty of sin? Oh Please... What ie it with these " share-the-guilt ' rligions? wakey-wakey Tinkerbell....

    • Posted By: jCHAI @ 10/17/2008 11:37:30 PM

      osted By: jCHAI @ 10/17/2008 11:11:40 PM
      Comment: Interesting all the different thoughts out there on abortion.
      No one is going to change anyone's mind about this.
      It's such a divided issue.

      I do believe in CHOICE. That might mean you might want to keep a baby even if you've been raped or that might mean you would want to abort, but you get to choose and not the government. Every woman should have a choice over what she does with her own body.

      What about that poor 12 year old that got raped via incest by her father? Would you make her continue her pregnancy?
      What happens to the baby of a crack addict mom? Who is going to to take care of that baby when he/she is born prematurely? Are you going to adopt that baby?

      What about the mother (with other children at home) whose life is in danger if she continues with her pregnancy?

      What about the baby with anencephaly (no brain) diagnosed early on in preganncy? Are you going to make that mother go through childbirth? For what?

      If you ban abortion, women will still find a way to have it done. They will just end up puting their lives in danger if their choice is taken away.
      That is what happened before Roe v. Wade. They would find back alleys and clothes hangers.

      I just want to know who out there supports abortion but is willing to pay for the unwanted child or premature child (because the mom didn't want to continue her pregnancy but was forced to because of an abortion ban).
      Is she going to take good care to make sure she takes her prenatal vitamins and gets a healthy diet and exercise and get good prenatal care? Or do you think she really won't care and just drinks to excess and does drugs. Hmmm. Let's think about what happens to a child born from that kind of atmosphere?

      NICU baby/premature baby requiring a prolonged hospital stay. THen who is going to take this baby. Foster care?
      What I mean is supporting welfare and food stamps and WIC (Women-infant children) program; medicaid (health insurance for poor)--are you willing to do this in your tax dollars?

      Let's face it. Reality is that you can educate on birth control, family planning, etc..
      Some teenagers are going to have sex, whether you like it or not.
      Even the most Christian of families I have seen have situations of teenage pregnancy.
      You should have the CHOICE.
      That is all I'm saying.
      Think about if you had a daughter and what you would do. I would hate for the government to tell me what I could or could not do--abortion or not.

  • Posted By: SomeChick1234 @ 10/18/2008 12:38:38 AM

    I got to go. What a great discussion.
    Summary..?
    Pro-choice = Don't tell me what to do with my body.
    Pro-life = It isn't your body
    Pro-choice = Don't force women to...
    Pro-life = There are plenty of choices (aside from criminal activity) before hand
    Pro-choice = I'm not pro abortion, it's the woman's right to choose
    Pro-life = murder is not a choice, not opposing it is just as good as sanctioning it. (I would just like to say that in a court of law ignorance or indiffernce is not a viable defence. Not actively opposing illegal activity your company (meaning you are the leadership there) makes you guilty of it and you will pay punitive damages)
    I don't think anyone is saying that if the mother's health is legitimately in danger she should not be allowed to have the option to abort.
    My suggestion.... argue the facts. It's a waste of time to do anything else. Generalizations aren't worth using unless you are trying to state that there is a potential for every scenario to exist. People who don't believe in God don't care about his judgement
    McCain is pro-life. Palin is pro-life.
    Obama is pro-choice. Biden is... ?

  • Posted By: tip tip @ 10/18/2008 12:08:25 AM

    A child is conceived. Life begins as the cells multiply. A child begins growing. That body is not the woman's. It is the body of a child. A woman should not have a right to kill a child because it is her "body". It is that child's body. To the father whose child had the bone breaking disease, I understand the necessity of a medical intervention. I really don't consider that "Abortion". Abortion is taking the life of unborn children for selfish reasons. To the ob nurse, I had post partum depression. I felt like I should have not gotten pregnant and that I made a huge mistake. Would I kill my baby, no. I am well now and the mother of a georgeous, brigh girl who is my sunshine. PPD is not a reason for killing an unborn child.

    We have to have clear rules to what constitutes a medically needed abortion. Such as the case of the father with the baby whose bones would not stay together. Abortions would be rare and not a convenience, but a necessity only.

    Please stop hurting the unborn.

    • Posted By: ProMomOf6 @ 10/18/2008 12:35:54 AM

      Sorry, but I disagree. The child is growing INSIDE the mother and BECAUSE of the mother, The way your talking the mother is just an incubator. How nice.

  • Posted By: ProMomOf6 @ 10/18/2008 12:31:58 AM

    As I said before, leave "god" out of it. That is YOUR belief, not mine. Free will can be a double edged sword huh. And people wonder why I'm Wiccan.

  • Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 10/18/2008 12:14:57 AM

    In a life or death situation for the mother, abortion needs to be done to save the mother's life...or if the baby is diagnosed to be stillborn(no brain or other stillborn complications). These are the only cases that would be an acceptable termination of a human baby. We are not robots, so I do believe everyone has the freedom to choose...I would pray that people would consider abortion only in these circumstances...life-or-death for the mother or if the baby is already in a stillborn condition. I have to disagree with the rape instance because it is not the baby's or the mother's fault that this horrible crime happened...please consider giving the baby up for adoption in this case. My personal convictions about abortion are inspired from the Bible...Molech was an idol that many people served and the people sacrificed infants to this "god." Everyone is more familiar with Moses...when Moses was born, one of the laws of the land was to kill the firstborn...Miriam chose to keep Moses alive because she (quoted from the Bible) "feared the Lord." The Bible also implores us that we are not our own, but we are bought with a price (the shed blood of Jesus)...so it is also my conviction that my body no longer belongs to me, but to Christ Jesus. This is the freedom I choose...others are free to make their choice...you do not have to believe the way I do...but it may be worth considering to have the freedom to have a change of heart.

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