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  • Posted By: aarrgh @ 10/17/2008 10:18:29 PM

    No I think what they mean is exercise some self control and keep your pants on if you aren't married to the man you are having sex with!

  • Posted By: Ang-i-la @ 10/17/2008 8:00:49 PM

    Isn't it interesting that a fetus can have gender identity, male or female, but not be itentified as a human being. Does it really fall into the catagory of a tumor?

    • Posted By: lildiamond @ 10/17/2008 8:24:56 PM

      No one said a fetus is a tumor...it is a cluster of cells called a Blastocyst made up of around 500 cells (this is at week three). And just so you know, the actual umbilical cord does not appear until week seven at which time the cluster of cells is about the same size of a the top of a pencil eraser. This is around the time that most abortions occur. The neural tube is not even developed at this point.
      All the rhetoric used by "pro-lifers" is amazing! Take a human anatomy class...or even better adopt 10 children. That will go a long way to making abortion less frequent. But of course, most pro-lifers simply care about the fetus being born---then TO HELL with the child's and mother's life after the fetus is born!
      Just an observation...
      Didn't Jesus say something about not judging others???

      • Posted By: tdlane74 @ 10/17/2008 10:17:52 PM

        Actually, better yet - pick up a book called The Pregnancy Journal -A Day-to-Day Guide to a Healthy and Happy Pregnancy by Dr. A. Christine Harris. My wife has followed it for both of our two daughters before they were born, and we are now following along as we prepare to have our third child. If you get this book, it will explain that the following has happened by seven weeks and tell you the exact day it is happening: the baby's heartbeat cannot be heard, but it can be detected as early as two and a half weeks after conception (it was 180 bpm at our first ultrasound three weeks ago) and it is split into the four chambers with the aorta having been fully formed; the arms and legs have formed; the arms are beginning to bend at the elbow; the hands and feet have developed ridges indicating where the fingers, thumbs and toes will be; the kidneys have formed and are producing urine; the liver has formed and is large enough to produce a bulge in the baby's abdomen; the intestines have formed in the umbilical cord and are migrating into the body cavity; the tongue is recognizable; the upper and lower jaws are present, the lenses of the eyes have formed and pigment is present in the baby's retinas, the ovaries or testes have formed; the brain is split into its different regions and the baby is moving spontaneously as the connection improves between its brain and its tiny muscles and nerves. At this point the baby is still very small (between .62 and .71 inches long), but there obviously are an incredible number of things that have happened already and it is much more than a small cluster of cells. This scientific evidence is the reason my wife, who teaches high school biology, and I are pro-life and why so many people are opposed to abortion and talk about protecting the unborn. That is the real motivation of most pro-life people - not to judge others, but to protect the unborn. Doctors differ as to whether life begins at conception or implantation, but it seems hard to imagine, given all of the above (much of which happens before seven weeks), that a fetus/baby is not a human being. Unfortunately, too few people are choosing to educate themselves about the real science of this issue; once you do, abortion becomes a deeply disturbing decision that we really should not allow.
        On another note, it is simply not true that most pro-lifers don't care about children after they are born; in fact, almost everyone I know who is pro-life spends time caring for the homeless and giving donations to homeless shelters, crisis pregnancy centers, adoptive services, etc. I guess it's just easier to demonize or insult those you don't understand or don't agree with.

  • Posted By: Rhett Oracle @ 10/17/2008 5:28:54 PM

    What's most disconcerting to me is not the issue of how late in gestation the abortion can be performed, or the exceptions for maternal health. Most disconcerting is that both McCain (at the debate) and Palin (in her Couric interview) discussed the "difficult decision" that a woman must face when deciding whether to keep the baby or have an abortion; and how important it is to help women with that decision. Then, they advocate overturning Roe v. Wade. Do they not understand that without Roe v. Wade (i.e., without legalized abortion), there would be no decision for the woman to make in the first place?

    Palin even says she is "proud" of the "choice" her daughter made to keep her baby -- but then, out of the other side of her mouth, says that Roe should be overturned -- meaning that the government should move in and make the decision for her.

    see, http://rhettoracle.net

    • Posted By: easydoesit @ 10/17/2008 6:52:50 PM

      I saw a interview w/ Palin when running for Alaska govenor. She was asked what she thought about a unintended pregnancy, She said 'I would choose life'. Asked what she thought about pregnancy through rape or incest, she said 'I would choose life'. She used the word 'choose' twice! How can a woman choose when the option of choosing has been legislated away?

      • Posted By: Rhett Oracle @ 10/17/2008 10:07:08 PM

        Exactly. That's the point. These people just say what they think sounds good, and don't think it through...

  • Posted By: jwcannalte @ 10/17/2008 11:19:33 AM

    This is a very poorly written article, clearly intended to make McCain look bad and drive swing female voters to Obama. Yes, McCain could have taken more tiime to explain the "health" exception a little better. But he is absolutely right that the "health" exception, especially in the case of partial birth abortion, was being used for any and every reason. If a woman feels "bad" about having the baby, her doctor (especially if he's very pro-abortion) can simply check off the "health" exception and that would be that. Look at it a different way....what if the slavery issue was still going today and we had agreement that it could be banned except in cases of "well-being" of the slave owner???? What if the slave owner could simply say that by losing his slave to abolition it would affect his "health" or prosperity.....? Would that sound rational? John McCain certainly is not asking to put pregnant women with GENUIUNE health risks in physical danger. He was only addressing the bogus and vague definition of health. Bottom line: PLEASE REMEMBER WE'RE DEALING WITH THE LIFE OF A HUMAN BEING HERE. Someone who's a little "down" because the father doesn't want the baby, shouldn't qualify for a "health" exception thus okaying the killing of human life, which is what a baby in the womb is.
    "You knitted me together in my mother's womb" --King David (Psalm 139)

    • Posted By: Luridmoon @ 10/17/2008 10:04:23 PM

      Ugh! Your God does not knit people together in the womb. Come on. Any person that went to health class in school knows just how RANDOM the process is. If "God" knitted everyone in the womb, we would all be beautiful and perfect. How do you explain all the natural calamities that befall man? Of the hundreds of thousands of fetuses with chromosomal abnormalities? And if you say "God" wanted them that way, that will be the most sadistic thing I will probably ever hear. That is, if you contend that god loves and cares for us.

    • Posted By: TJ21 @ 10/17/2008 11:28:39 AM

      That's not true. He wants to ban abortion all together. So those who have serious health risk don't have that option. If you can site an accurate sorce that says 100% of late term abortions that use "health" as cause, then you have something to stand on. But even if 1% of women must abort late term, you have to have that as an option. McCain wants that option gone. This sample size that seems to be used by the right doesn't make sense. If something helps even 6 out of 10 people, it still helps. There are people that abuse the laws but you can't dismiss the ones that don't. you can't take those 4 people and use it as 100% of your sample size and say look, these people are abusing the system, so lets get rid of it all together

  • Posted By: dakotastar @ 10/17/2008 9:50:07 PM

    There are a couple of problems - first the 1.4% is from 2003, not 2004. And the second problem is that there are *no* national reporting laws regarding the number of abortions done. The 1.4% came from the states that reported, 43 in all. Also, no reports came private practicing physicians. Any privately practicing physician does not have to contribute to these statistics. And finally, if you crossed state lines to get that abortion, you are also not included in the stats. And the third problem is this - a quote from wiki, based on the CDC's website:

    "Because the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's annual study on abortion statistics does not calculate the exact gestational age for abortions performed past the 20th week, there is no exact data for the number of abortions performed after viability."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion

    Changes things a bit, doesn't it? Since there are no federal reporting laws, a good portion of these abortions are done and no one has to know about it. And *that* is how it gets abused. You can have a late term abortion if you get migraines, your sciatic nerve hurts, or you have carpal tunnel. A doctor just has to say so and it's done. Doesn't matter what part of the women's health may be in danger, legitimate or not, very few doctors have to answer to anyone about it.

    Where did your facts come from?

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5511a1.htm
    Table 6 at the bottom.
    Read the fine print.

    • Posted By: SomeChick1234 @ 10/17/2008 9:54:44 PM

      Excellent. Thank you for the clarification.

  • Posted By: SomeChick1234 @ 10/17/2008 9:52:19 PM

    I'm just wondering, if you rob a bank, get convicted can you escape prison time by paying back the money after you're convicted? The pro-choice movement does seem to be back-asswards. It is not about choice at all because the choice was always there (minus the rape cases). It's about taking the responsibility for THE choice. Putting all the complicated, rational reasons for abortion aside, such as the mother's life being in jeapordy. That is worth arguing but when that's not an issue, having an abortion is about avoiding the inconvenience of irresponsible CHOICE at the cost of what would be a human being. I have a real problem with that. I know it's your body but that's NOT YOUR life.

  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/16/2008 11:46:11 PM

    Why am I the first commenter on so many of these threads?

    Oh, well. I'm ducking out of here before the flamethrower festival starts.

    Just remember, people - furious screaming never solved a problem...

    • Posted By: BERSERK @ 10/17/2008 9:51:43 PM

      YES! FIRE! MWAHAHAHAHA!

  • Posted By: dakotastar @ 10/17/2008 9:49:26 PM

    There are a couple of problems - first the 1.4% is from 2003, not 2004. And the second problem is that there are *no* national reporting laws regarding the number of abortions done. The 1.4% came from the states that reported, 43 in all. Also, no reports came private practicing physicians. Any privately practicing physician does not have to contribute to these statistics. And finally, if you crossed state lines to get that abortion, you are also not included in the stats. And the third problem is this - a quote from wiki, based on the CDC's website:

    "Because the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's annual study on abortion statistics does not calculate the exact gestational age for abortions performed past the 20th week, there is no exact data for the number of abortions performed after viability."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion

    Changes things a bit, doesn't it? Since there are no federal reporting laws, a good portion of these abortions are done and no one has to know about it. And *that* is how it gets abused. You can have a late term abortion if you get migraines, your sciatic nerve hurts, or you have carpal tunnel. A doctor just has to say so and it's done. Doesn't matter what part of the women's health may be in danger, legitimate or not, very few doctors have to answer to anyone about it.

    Where did your facts come from?

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5511a1.htm
    Table 6 at the bottom.
    Read the fine print.

  • Posted By: baxcy @ 10/17/2008 9:43:55 PM

    I find it very curious that people who are such staunch pro-lifers who have such strong opinons about abortion at even the earliest of stages, never give a rats ass about animal rights. Most prolifers will expend tremendous amounts of energy in hatred and action towards anything antiabortion to save even the smallest mass of human cells but wouldn't lift a finger to stand up for animals who suffer daily in unimaginable ways.

  • Posted By: kinkade @ 10/17/2008 11:03:38 AM

    What if a pregnancy is the end result of a rape. According to Mcain/Palin that person who may be in perfect health ,would be forced to take the pregnancy to term. Women fought the right to vote,equal opportunity and to choose for themselves. Mcain/Palin what a dangerous combination to be in the White House .

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 11:15:12 AM

      Neither McCain nor Gov. Palin have EVER attempted to make ALL abortions illegal...you are listening to PMSNBC and reading The DailyKook too much...CHECK and you will see......A mothers physical danger is always considered.....but absolutely unrestricted abortion is typical of Nazi tactics....the "emotional and mental" ploy is widely used....to rid a woman of the "inconvienient" child.....SICK and SHAMEFUL....

      It amazes me that the same person screaming to kill a baby...will also scream against Capital Punishment...You people have a streak of EVIL in your hearts...

      SHAME ON YOU....

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 11:23:10 AM

        have you ever in your life had to make a decision that big? shame on you holy roller for being so un-christian...your god preaches love, tolerance, acceptance, "come as you are", repentance....here you are shouting away on your soap box...NAZI TACTICS???? WHAT KIND OF PROPAGANDA ARE YOU WRAPPED UP IN?????

        • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 11:31:10 AM

          Actually Jesus preached go and sin no more.

          • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 11:55:46 AM

            and he said "come as you are" and the bible says to stone your childeren if they get out of line, the bible says wearing mixed linens is an abomination, the bible says alot of things...alot of it from 2000 yr old logic before we were traveling in space and making artificial inteligence

            • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/17/2008 12:10:42 PM

              You obviously don't know your bible. He never preached come as you are, then their are no standards, live in sin, etc. etc. You only see one side, with seeing the side that preached responsbility. Typical.

              • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 12:19:12 PM

                It is basically a Gnostic Philosophy.....

                NOBAMA!!!

                • Posted By: Luridmoon @ 10/17/2008 9:41:30 PM

                  NOGOD!!!!!!!!

                • Posted By: Luridmoon @ 10/17/2008 9:40:37 PM

                  Yes the Gnostic Christian SECT, who worshipped a solar deity based on astrology. This is the basis of your "true" religion. Praise the age of Pisces, the symbol of the FISH (which interestingly, are on millions of Americans cars, usually with the name JESUS in it)

              • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 12:25:35 PM

                and you only see one side to so what are you really saying??

              • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 12:24:04 PM

                really...so you obviously know that the "bible" is one book with bits and peices taken from the many books of the bible, king james, genesis etc...many different books by many different authors translated into many different languages over thousands of years...think there might have been some edits and miscommunication along the way somewhere??

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 11:31:35 AM

          I am a Christian...and REAL Christians abhor the murder of the truly innocent and defensless...They sure don't celebrate the deaths....only the Left and Nazis do.

          NOBAMA!!!

          • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 11:44:15 AM

            when did i say im dancing around celebrating the death of a child??? your out of your mind...

          • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 11:40:44 AM

            I loved the brainwashed masses of sheep. Thank you hollyroller you make me feel smart :)

      • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 11:38:17 AM

        Well looks like you'll get your wish. You are killing Troy Davis aren't you. They have found that 80% of death penalty cases are innocent. Sop you kill innocent people hoping to kill 1 or 2 guilty ones. Well, hoity toity aren't you. You are a murderer. You muder living breathing, men and women regardless of wether they are innocent or guilty. Uou are sick. Free Troy Davis, he is innocent! I hope you get the death penalty for something you didn't do, that would be ironic :)

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 11:25:24 AM

        NOT ALL OF THESE CHILDEREN ARE "INCONVEINIENT" YOU TWIT...you sound like a terrorist the way you spew your inforomation and propaganda

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/17/2008 11:32:27 AM

          Maybe not...but MOST are...what about them....SICKO

          NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/17/2008 11:29:03 AM

        and capital punishment is an entirely different issue, sooooo lets say just as an example, a man rapes a woman, shes gets pregnant, carries the child full term...dies during birth or from related problems, that man that raped her isnt going to be around, that child has no one. that man should be killed himself for abusing and stealing the womans rights, and the childs right to a father. cut his dick off. then give him the chair. why should these people get fair and just treatment when they sure as hell werent being fair and just when they ripped an extra few inches into a vagina, they werent being fair and just when they held down an innocent woman and threatened to murder her if she screamed...your pififul...

  • Posted By: rartho @ 10/17/2008 9:38:38 PM

    It looks like the majority of you are of the same frame of mind as I am. That's nice to see. God bless you all. I pray that God softens the hardened hearts that cannot see the Truth. And I'll take the pro-life issue one step further: Natural Family Planning works.

  • Posted By: reiki*rabbit @ 10/17/2008 2:29:26 PM

    McCain is pro-birth. He isn't the least bit concerned with womens health in any way, shape or form. Women shoudl NOT have any right to decide to have an abortion for any reason. McCain votes against birth control access, medically accurate sex education and abortion. McCain in the White House would be even worse than Bush.

    • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/17/2008 2:46:01 PM

      You are a dope! McCain cares about a woman's health and her life. He knows that the practice is being abused and misused. That is typical for many Americans these days. I do not believe in having abortions for just any reason, but I am not against saving a person's life, even the baby's, if it is fully warranted and can be done successfully and properly. For those poor women that are raped or pregnant through incest, I support an abortion, but only within a month of conception. Obama wants the baby dead no matter what the circumstances.

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 10/17/2008 3:17:18 PM

        Ok, obviously you are not a woman (besides your name lol) or you would realize that knowing you are pregnant takes longer than a month to determine. Even tests aren't accurate within a month. Many take much longer for the hormones to build to a detectable level.

        • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/17/2008 3:39:50 PM

          If you know you have unprotected sex, then you are open to getting pregnant. It doesn't take a doctor or a scientist to figure that out. The symtoms are detectable within a month. No, I am not a woman, but I know what produces a baby!

          • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 4:34:13 PM

            Did you know about 80% of women in developing countries don't know that you get pregnant form sex. Did you know that if you won't teach teen about sex education and prevetitive sex then the don't know that you can get pregnant from sex. Did you know that abstinance only group teach that birthcontrol of any kind doesn't work so even if you have sex don't use it. We are talking about young girls twelve to 17 to even in their early twenties when the human brain isn't even fully developed enough to make choices to the same degree as old foggies like you. You are a scientifically ignorant redneck. You are the biggest piece of trash and it's jerks like you that are dragging this country into the gutter. You slavedriver.

            • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/17/2008 7:13:01 PM

              Those 80% don't know about killing babies through abortion either. LOL!!

              • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 9:34:45 PM

                No they have their babies andf then they die of malaria and starve to death which seems to be your preference or they die of AIDS so I hope you sleep well at night knowing youve done absolutely nothing for all those living babies out there. Your a waste of air.

          • Posted By: bluebloodedLV @ 10/17/2008 4:55:10 PM

            Jim,

            I got pregnant on birth control (as have more than one woman I know and guess what they all kept their babies!)...I ended up miscarrying that time. Years ago I did have unprotected sex - out of wedlock OMFG - and guess what, my son is turning 8 next week. I am currently 6 months pregant and my second son is due in January. You're basically saying don't have sex because condoms and other forms of BC are not 100% reliable. Most people are NOT going to have an abortion and I think that most people would agree that it's a horrible decision to make, and that anyone who uses abortion as birth control is sick. You seem to think all women use abortion as birth control.

  • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/17/2008 2:57:09 PM

    Obama's view of the future of America - Socialism which is the next step to Communism!! He admitted to Joe the Plumber than he wanted to spread the wealth! He said that he wanted to make everyone equal! Is America ready for Socialism? The Iranian president, Ahmadinejad, said today that he is glad to see the end to capitalism in America!! Are you glad?????
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    Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

    The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another's wealth but also the desire to see another's wealth lowered to the level of one's own. Socialism's teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini. The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: "Common good comes before private good." Fascism, said
    Mussolini, is "a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests??realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies."

    Socialism is the social system which institutionalizes envy and self-sacrifice: It is the social system which uses compulsion and the organized violence of the State to expropriate wealth from the producer class for its redistribution to the parasitical class.

    Despite the intellectuals' psychotic hatred of capitalism, it is the only moral and just social system.

    Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders--that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

    Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

    It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one's birth or station in life.

    Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient. [What about the role of luck­being in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time? R. R. Pope}

    • Posted By: dsqard @ 10/17/2008 3:23:17 PM

      What does that have to do with abortion and isn't that what the Republicans have been practicing all along?

      • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/17/2008 3:30:36 PM

        Socialist are for weeding out the unwanted people of a society because they are burdens to others and lower the standards of living for others. That's Obama's belief and the reason he hung around his radical friends!

        • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 4:20:57 PM

          Umm no it's not you made that up. People this guy is making it up because he can't think for himself he lets FOX news do all the thinking for him. You poor ignorant scared racist hater.

          • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/17/2008 7:02:58 PM

            I am not scared just Intelligent and wonder why all idiots are voting for Obama. You are ready to give in to Socialism, you lazy jerks.

            • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 9:28:42 PM

              Keep posting your just proving my point with your ignorance and your angry ranting

        • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 4:30:12 PM

          You are the biggest radical I have heard since Stalin

  • Posted By: rartho @ 10/17/2008 9:18:59 PM

    The unborn do suffer in an abortion. Haven't you seen the videos where the children are pulled apart limb by limb? It's horrible! Abortion = murder. Period. Life begins at conception, and these poor children cannot speak for themselves. It is a very unfortunate situation. Everyone has the right to life - it is not up to us to determine who lives and who dies.

    • Posted By: jebachman @ 10/17/2008 9:26:29 PM

      Once again, you need to read my earlier post (around 7:36). At the time my wife had an abortion due to a serious birth defect that seriously endangered her health, we had four children (ages 2-10). Whether you would want to carry this pregnancy to term, is your decision. I am grateful my wife had an option. Believe me, this was not an easy decision.

  • Posted By: AlexParsnips @ 10/17/2008 9:22:53 PM

    Youngandhopeful, I recall the last major society to decide that you can't use your "opinion" to decide whether or not to stop an indiscriminate genocide from going on, or to try and defend its victims who couldn't speak up for themselves from cruel and painful murders. They were called Nazis.

    DisciplineisFreedom, I'd like for you to remind me since when every woman who gives birth dies. Maybe it's just me but I missed the part where 50 million women died giving birth in the past 36 years. It must be some epidemic to be so invisible. I'd also like for you to explain to me how I'm supposed to believe "forcing" a woman to give birth is horrible for their health, but abortion was not unhealthy for my friend who took the pro-choice movement's words too seriously, had an abortion, later suffered immense remorse for the child's life and committed suicide. I wonder if the brainwashers at Planned Parenthood take people like her into account when they keep "statistics" regarding "women's health."

  • Posted By: Americanfreedom @ 10/17/2008 6:57:05 PM

    It is NEVER NECESSARY TO SAVE A MOTHER'S LIFE!! EVER!!!

    • Posted By: Trishalish @ 10/17/2008 9:22:48 PM

      Your sick and heartless. Your going to hell if you really think that

  • Posted By: Donna42990 @ 10/17/2008 9:21:30 PM

    But it's ok to rape little boys like priests do????? No, I don't think so. I am on birth control because I only want 1 child so I will probably still go to hell because Catholics are not too bright. Don't you dare tell me what I can and cannot do with my body.

  • Posted By: rartho @ 10/17/2008 9:20:26 PM

    Wrong - women who have abortions suffer greatly. There are support groups just for them. How can you kill your child and not be sorry?

  • Posted By: Hawayana @ 10/17/2008 9:03:38 PM

    Women are the real victim of abortion. I've not met a woman who did not regret her abortion(s). Let's face it, majority of abortion performed is because it's unplanned pregnancy or because the fetus has Downs Syndrome. If a woman doesn't want to give birth then don't have sex! Who gave us the right to murder our not so perfect babies (Downs Syndrome). Should we allow teenage mothers to leave their newborns in the dumpster? We punish these mothers for throwing their newborns in the trash, or for killing their children, so then why do we make it legal for mothers to kill their alive, yet unborn babies? we care so much about animal rights but we don't afford the same kind of justice for the unborn. it's disgusting what kind of society we've become.

    • Posted By: jebachman @ 10/17/2008 9:14:52 PM

      You should read my earlier post regarding my wife. She had a very, very need to have an abortion to save her from serious injury and possibly her life. So where do we draw the line and who makes the decision? Do we have an exception for rape? You either completely ban it in all circumstances or you must allow a woman a reasonable period of time to make her decision. I realize this is not perfect, but very few decisions are. The problem is both sides of this issue have resorted to extreme rhetoric. I am extremely grateful that our Supreme Court has faith in individual Americans (expecially mothers and there physiciians) that they will make the appropriate decision without interference from the government.

      • Posted By: jebachman @ 10/17/2008 9:20:12 PM

        I do know how to spell. I can not correct my post, but expecially should be especially. Sorry, I hit the wrong key.

  • Posted By: as0224 @ 10/17/2008 9:19:59 PM

    As an expectant mother, I'm willing to say that my life is worth less than that of my child. I've had the chance to live, and my baby deserves that same chance. No matter the risk to me! And it is a BABY not a fetus! He can hear, kick, even blink his little eyes.

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