A Catholic Brief for Obama

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  • Posted By: WakeUpSheeple @ 11/03/2008 12:02:51 PM

    "the objective truth of the human person as explicated in Catholic natural law "

    Your choice of words betrays the internal contradiction of your argument. By qualifying the objective truth as being explicated by CATHOLIC natural law you remove the objectiveness of the truth, making it subjective to everyone else. Natural law is not a Catholic belief, it happens to fit with Catholic teachings, but when Thomas delineated the kinds of law in the Summa he leaned heavily on Aristotle. Furthermore, the Founders and framers cited Natural law as part of their justification, but their understanding of it did not come from having read the Summa, rather they had read Kant, Aristotle, and other enlightenment authors.

  • Posted By: lycosnic @ 11/02/2008 3:26:19 PM

    for starters people, Obama is not "pro -abortion" I cant think of any politician that is "pro-abortion" Obama is pro-chioce, and yes, there is a large difference between the two! Its the same problem with the difference between gay marrige and civil unions, Obama doesnt want to re-define God's definition of marrige, he just wants to allow civil unions. We (Catholics and Christians alike) can NOT afford to continue to treat this as a one-principle election. We all sell our valuable votes too easily. If anybody has disagreements or wants more info, e-mail me at lycosnic@yahoo.com. i love debating and talking about this stuff and would like to hear some opposite points of view.

  • Posted By: bibbo @ 10/31/2008 2:04:03 PM

    This is absurd. They claim to be anti-abortion by supporting the most pro-abortion candidate.The whole spiel about Obama's social programs will be so pro-family that the decreasing need for abortion will outweigh the importance of his pro abortion stand is a stretch. Lack of money is not what drives abortion. Lack of understanding the evil in abortion is the problem. Obama pro-abortion views are the problem,

  • Posted By: ElizabethMinister @ 10/30/2008 11:12:18 AM

    Obama wants YOU to pay for abortions with tax dollars. He wants abortions permitted for teenagers WITHOUT parental consent. He wants abortions to be performed WITHOUT informed consent (no ultrasound viewing option). He voted AGAINST the born alive act - FOUR TIMES.


    Whatever your political views, whatever party you are... sometimes an issue is too horrific to ignore. Sometimes you have to really ponder in your heart what is right and what is wrong. Pro-choice keeps getting more and more severe... are we going to start killing our children after their born? "Well, I wanted a boy... leave her to die...or leave her in a bath with a saline solution that will burn her alive..." This IS happening in our world, and we are RIGHT ON THAT LINE now.

    Where is the line drawn? Obama IS PROUD of the fact that the line would be ALMOST ERASED if he is elected...


    IMPLICATIONS OF FOCA (Freedom of Choice Act)
    Sen. Obama has assured his supporters in his speeches, mailings, website position papers, and party platform that he would make the passage of the Freedom Of Choice Act (FOCA) a high priority, targetted for passage "in the first days of his adminstration." (Sen, McCain opposes the passage of FOCA, and has voted against it repeatedly in the senate.) Effectively, what FOCA would do would be to both codify Roe vs. Wade and to nullify any of the subsequent Supreme Court decisions and federal/state laws that have permitted restrictions on use of taxpayer funding of abortions, abortions without parental involvement, and abortions without informed consent (e.g., requiring the ultrasound image to be shown to the mother before consenting to the abortion). All of those restrictions, and anymore on the books from judicial decisions or state/federal laws, would be stricken by FOCA.
    Abortion rights would be unfettered and taxpayer funded under FOCA

  • Posted By: DavidHouston @ 10/29/2008 12:47:47 AM

    In the third presidential debate Senator Obama made the claim that he would ban Partial Birth abortions if protection was given with regards to the health of the mother. This is an empty argument since the baby is killed after it has been 90% delivered and only its head is still in the womb. The mother's health is not in jeopardy for that last second it takes to deliver the baby. He is just being dishonest. Take a look at this video which goes into detail of the procedure.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qu87aXc20

  • Posted By: kerk @ 10/28/2008 6:37:08 PM

    Too bad your mother did not abort you. You seem to be insensitive , biased, and dumb. Wake Up!!!
    I hope you will enloy doing military service for obama. I hope you enjoy obamas changes toward communism. You will get what you voted for, dummy.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/27/2008 6:30:37 PM

    In this video, Obama, who claims he has "no ties with Acorn" notwithstanding the $800,000 paid to an Acorn group during the primaries, is campaigning at a convention of Acorn and I believe two other Community Activist's organizations. Ask if he will be their ally if he becomes President and pledge to meet with leaders of Acorn and the others in his first year, Obama says, quote:

    "Yes, but let me say that before I even get inaugurated, during the transition, we are going to be calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda."

    See and hear it for yourself. Obama promised that Acorn and a couple of other groups like it will setting his agenda if elected even before he is inaugurated:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU

  • Posted By: asasscer @ 10/23/2008 1:34:02 PM

    Agree with your article and it makes a lot of sense. We need a healthy and positive environment for life to thrive and America badly needs to be re-built. Both my husband and I are anti-abortion Catholics but we support and will vote for Obama. What this country needs is decent family supporting jobs and heath care reform to help families with children. We don't need to choose abortion but we need to chose policies that support families and children. We need child friendly and family friendly policies and McCain offers none of this. He only offers Word War III and a new Great Depression.

    • Posted By: LifeFirst @ 10/26/2008 1:46:35 PM

      "We don't need to choose abortion..." If you vote for Barack Obama you are voting FOR abortion -- your vote is not neutral on this issue. Abortion is the INTENTIONAL and DELIBERATE taking-out of innocent, utterly helpless human beings. Abortion is not the by-product of other perhaps incorrect solutions; it IS the solution, THE MOST VIOLENT SOLUTION POSSIBLE, to a perceived social problem. That is why abortion is the primary issue in this social triage situation, and why Catholics may not vote morally for Obama. He has PLEDGED to sign FOCA into law, eliminating all limitations on abortion including on partial-birth abortion. Obama has PLEDGED likewise to overturn the Mexico City Policy. Both Obama pledges confirm and extend the legality and impact of abortion. Abortion is direct, it is purposeful, it is deliberate killing of babies. Nothing is as important because nothing is as evil as this, and because no other segment of American society is as helpless, as voiceless, or as lacking in advocates as our smallest people.

  • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/25/2008 10:52:22 PM


    Acorn is a group of community organisers, one of many around the United States, which does a lot of wonderful and fine work for folks in need. One would think that republicans would celebrate this very low paying work as a good thing. Why? Because of its basic philosophy ~~ helping people to help themselves, rather than depending on the government.

    But nooo--ooo--oo. Ken Blackwell, best known for disenfranchising Democratic voters as Ohio Secretary of State and Chair of Bush's Ohio campaign in 2004, is part of the fashion for vicious republican attacks against ACORN and community organisers across the country. And Blackwell has tried very hard to tie Obama to Acorn. Nevertheless, Senator Obama was never an Acorn community organiser, was never hired as an employee, nor as a trainer, nor as an organiser. Acorn, was not part of Project Vote in 1993.
    As an attorney, Obama represented Acorn in a lawsuit concerning federal voting access law, for which Obama received the IVV-IPO legal eagle award in 1995.

    And don't be forgetting Herself the VP, who has worked consistently to pour scorn on community work, kicking off at the republican convention. Do you think maybe she is above that sort of thing?

    The McCain campaign's hate-smear campaign in the form of robocalls and mailings all over this country, attempt to link Obama with a smorgasbord of attacks. No surprise that the Acorn attack is just one more in a volley of deception. The more dangerous and haunting ones attempt to link United States Senators with terrorism. You go to your mailbox hoping to hear from your son or daughter, and get a letter with the giant word TERRORISTS on it. On the next page is a picture of Senator Obama and then the words "Not what you think he is".

    But we get the idea ~ hate attacks are supposed to go unnoticed under the radar. And to work , the audience must never do any homework.

    Realise that McCain himself was brought down in 2000 by what he called "hate calls" which smeared his family. Bush's guys that masterminded those robobcalls are also heading up McCain's hate campaign against Senator Obama.

    He must have forgotten what he said back in 2000, when robocalls were smearing his family. At that time,
    Senator McCain said these words, "Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you do is run negative attack ads, you don't have much of a vision for the future".

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/25/2008 8:31:55 PM

    Obama in this video is campaigning at a convention of Acorn and I believe two other Community Activist's organizations. Ask if he will be their ally if he becomes President and pledge to meet with leaders of Acorn and the others present at the convention in his first year, Obama says, quote:

    "Yes, but let me say that before I even get inaugurated, during the transition, we are going to be calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda."

    See and hear it for yourself. Obama has promised that Acorn and other groups like it will a part of his transition and setting his agenda if elected:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/24/2008 11:23:13 PM

    A former Newsweek reporter admitted in an article this week that he has no objectivity and imagined disabling Rudy Giuliani so he wouldn't run in the presidential primary race last year.
    Michael Hastings wrote in GQ magazine that he had a "recurring fantasy" that he could somehow stop the former New York City mayor in his tracks.
    "I quickly realized Rudy was a maniac. I had a recurring fantasy in which I took him out during a press conference (it was nonlethal, just something that put him out of commission for a year or so), saving America from the horror of a President Giuliani. If that sounds like I had some trouble being 'objective,' I did. Objectivity is a fallacy," he said.

    http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_7484&pageNum=2

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/55_say_media_bias_bigger_problem_than_campaign_cash

    55% Say Media Bias Bigger Problem Than Campaign Cash

    http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2008/cyb20080819.asp

    Media Credibility Plummets, Just 30% Believe 'Most Trusted' CNN

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  • Posted By: rjdonato @ 10/23/2008 1:00:12 PM

    Its about the future - is in the past. So you are the one reading "Rolling Stone" magazine - great bi-partisen source. Guess you listen to NPR and believe that too. I never said that McCain was always pro-life, but, as a republican he is more apt to make pro-choice judicial nominations than his opponent. You see, I do recognize this issue as SIMPLISTIC because it is not in TECHNICOLOR. To me it is "Black and White" / "Life and Death". Look at this issue like a tennis player looking for the game winning ace serve. Consentrate on the ball; don't let the bull on the sidelines obscure your fixation. The issue is LIFE or DEATH. If you were the unborn child - you would see it this way.

    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/24/2008 12:32:13 PM

      Hocus-pocus. NPR is very centrist these days. NPR is a highly reliable news source of all sides. But you digress.

      Rolling Stone editor Tim Dickinson, in the most recent issue, wrote an in-depth look at McCain.
      So what?

      If republicans can send mailings with "TERRORISTS" on the front, Obama's photo
      in the middle, and "Not what you think he is" printed next to it,
      you are not in a position to complain.

      McCAIN WAS PRO-CHOICE for a long time.

      And we don't need references to NPR or 'Rolling Stone" or anyone else to validate that.

  • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 10/24/2008 10:56:09 AM

    There is no case for Barry. He is pro-choice.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/24/2008 1:11:21 AM

    Spread the wealth how.? Look at his past. Obama in this video, addressing his work with ACORN litigation against the banks and relating to the Community Reinvestment Act and the failure of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, as they relate to the current real estate and financial crisis, states that, and I quote:

    "Subprime lending started out as a good idea, helping Americans buy homes who previously could not afford to. Financial institutions created new financial instruments that could securitize these loans, slice them into finer and finer risk categories, and spread them out among investors and around the country, as well as around the world. In theory, this should have allowed mortgage lending to be less risky, and more diversified."

    "The original idea was a good one, which was, lets see if we can distribute risk more broadly, and make it easier to provide loans to people who otherwise might not be able to get one."

    Listen for yourself. You cannot dispute the mans on words recorded live:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related


    Obama in this second video is campaigning at a convention of Acorn and I believe two other ???Community Activist's organizations. Ask if he will be their ally if he becomes President, Obama says, quote:

    "Yes, but let me say that before I even get inaugurated, during the transition we are going to be calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda."

    See and hear it for yourself. Obama promised that Acorn and other groups like it will setting his agenda if elected:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU
    Below is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
    See also
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/164732 from this web site. (oops!) stating that Freddie Mac was spending tax payer money to target Republicans in 2005 who were trying to regulate Fannie and Freddies fraud. Democrats were not targeted, as the were all in the tank with Fannie and Freddie to kill the regulations. Hear that, the article admits that Republicans were trying to regulate Freddie and Fannie, and Democrats were trying to stop it from happening as a means to facilitate the Community Reinvestment Act.

    See also: http://www.newsweek.com/id/164972
    Stating that Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act wasn't what caused the meltdown, and noting that "economists on both sides of the political spectrum have suggested that the act has probably made the crisis less severe than it might otherwise have been."

  • Posted By: Caliban @ 10/23/2008 1:41:50 PM

    A lot of smart people believe a lot of strange things, but I guess you need a doctorate to come up with something this silly. Jill Stanek, the unassuming nurse from Illinois, brings more intelligence to the subject than our three academic eminences combined. The voice from the soiled linen closet is far more persuasive than the three from the ivory tower.

    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/23/2008 2:06:37 PM

      MISLEADING. FALSE.
      The doctor's oath to save lives is already in place.
      It is a given, PRIOR to any personal opinion or conviction, or discussion on this topic.
      It is insulting to try and suggest.
      that the law to save lives is part of this debate.
      Or that the it is in the hands of either of the presidential candidates.

  • Posted By: YouCANNOTbePROABORTIONandCatholic @ 10/22/2008 7:50:47 PM


    Voting Pro-Abortion Called Cooperating in Evil
    Texas Bishops Resolve Doubts for Faithful Citizens
    DALLAS, Texas, OCT. 22, 2008 (Zenit.org).-

    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/23/2008 2:01:04 PM


      Say-anything politicians and their advocates will try to make this particular case for all Americans.
      But people follow their conscience
      and will do what is true for them in their own experience,
      despite the bully tactics.

  • Posted By: thinkingmom @ 10/23/2008 1:07:43 PM

    Sounds as if the authors and many commenters here are confusing the Church's mission with the government's.

    If we cannot guarantee protection for vulnerable life under our laws, we are no longer a just society. Respect for the dignity and sanctity of human life is the *cornerstone* of "social justice." Obama is radically pro-abortion. His signing of the ironically named Freedom of Choice Act will sweep away all such protections, and eliminate protections for freedom of conscience as well. A Congress with a supermajority of Democrats is chomping at the bit to eradicate freedom of speech through the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" under a Democratic presidency. These are fundamental freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution, for which Obama and his current party show little regard. Theirs is a political philosophy based on coercion, not respect for liberty. Obama's plans are predicated on the forcible redistribution of property; how can this possibly be moral in a Christian's eyes? The press ought to be ashamed for failing to apprise the public of this man's radical left-wing roots, his former membership in a socialist party, his freely chosen political association with self-described communist.

  • Posted By: Olliefox @ 10/23/2008 11:54:51 AM

    Doesn???t anyone see where Obama is already taking us? Look down the road. Already in view is FOCA, the Freedom of Choice Act. It???s already pending in Congress ---
    House version --- HR1964: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgibin/query/z?c110:H.R.1964
    Senate version --- S1173: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.1173
    Obama is one of its proud sponsors and is pledging today to make it become law even while, simultaneously, pledging to ???reduce the incidence of abortion.??? (Where has honesty gone?) FOCA will make Roe v. Wade federal statutory law, meaning it will trump any state law that interferes with it. It will guarantee women the right to choose to kill their unborn child. And it will enforce that guarantee by prohibiting others from refusing to provide the woman the services necessary to carry out that killing --- others like doctors, nurses, hospitals, etc., even though, as a matter of conscience, they cannot participate in such killing.

  • Posted By: PatronMan @ 10/23/2008 1:24:33 AM

    Nins..your comment of "I think that Obama's position on abortion and many other issues is considerably more moderate than is generally assumed". You are hallucinating...he is the furthest left of most americans & his stance on abortion is as in-humane as anyone. Review how he voted while in Illinois Senate and finally "YOU CANNOT CALL YOURSELF CATHOLIC & BE PRO-CHOICE.....THE MURDERING OF A CHILD IS AGAINST THE NATURAL LAW, THE COMMANDMENTS AND AGAIST ALL CHURCH TEACHINGS. IT IS INTRINSICALLY EVIL

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