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  • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/22/2008 7:19:31 PM


    rdjonato below, is too simplistic. Millions of people in this country are pro-choice. Will you put them all on trial and blame them all equally? Or just Senator Obama?

    Also, you suffer under the delusion that McCain has never been pro-choice.

    Prior to 2004, McCAIN WAS PRO-CHOICE
    and said, "I would not support the repeal of Roe Versus Wade, which would force x number of innocent americans to (undergo) illegal and dangerous operations". McCain here expresses an important reason to be pro-choice.

    Meanwhile, keep reporting on McCain's disgraceful and dishonorable robocalls and mailings, telling us all how his colleague and collaborator in the Senate is a 'te.....ist' and 'baby-killer'.
    McCain's new TERRORISTS-in-the-SENATE approach to politics is demeaning for all of us on whatever side of the fence.

    Read the most recent 'Rolling Stone' magazine for an illuminating and up-to-date look at
    Senator John McCain.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 10/22/2008 9:03:41 PM

      I kind of doubt that McCain was ever pro killing babies, but it is interesting how we can interpet remarks just about any way we choose to fit our purpose. Its called twisting the facts to fit the way we believe. Its done all the time.

      • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/23/2008 12:30:02 AM

        No.
        McCain was pro-choice for a long time.
        I am genuinely sorry that it goes against what you prefer to believe.

        Try to remember your argument about 'twisting the facts' when you receive mail from the McCain campaign with the giant word TERRORIST on the top page, picture of Senator Obama on the middle page, and these words, "Not who you think he is".

        McCain said yesterday that he was "absolutely" proud of this mailing.
        Senator John McCain is proud of referring to his fellow -senators as terrorists.
        He's crossed the line for any decent person.
        KICK HIM OUT.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 10/22/2008 9:08:09 PM

      As for depending on a magazine like Rolling Stone to give me the truth, lets just say I would rather depend on a Superman comic book---at least he was able to leap tall buildings in a single bound; what can the author of an article in Rolling Stone do besides use his pen to poison minds.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/23/2008 12:10:04 AM

    I am a Catholic pro-Life white Republican woman. I am voting for Obama.

    People forget that BOTH Obama and McCain have been pro-Choice. McCain "flip-flopped" on this issue in 2004 when he started voting 90% with Bush. Prior to 2004 McCain was pro-Choice, and he even called Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell "agents of intolerance" (which in fact they were). Since that time he has stood on a stage with Jerry Falwell, praising him. So it is impossible to know what McCain actually thinks on this issue. Is he pandering to the religious right when he vows to overturn Roe v. Wade? What is really in his heart? How would he act if he were elected? Would you get the conservative McCain you see now, the liberal leftist McCain from 1999-2004? These inconsistencies disturb me. I know there is such a thing as political expedience, but the end result is that I can not trust McCain. Nobody knows his real views on abortion.

    Furthermore, I think that Obama's position on abortion and many other issues is considerably more moderate than is generally assumed.

    To all of the conservatives out there who think that Obama is a flaming liberal, I would like to remind you of what he did when he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. The Law Review President gets to name ten individuals to write articles for the Review, and these ten people get to control the content of the publication. All of the minorities and the liberals thought they finally had it made, that Obama would appoint ten left wing editors. Instead, Obama appointed three conservatives, three liberals and four moderates. That year the Law Review was critically acclaimed as the best run and best written Harvard publication in decades.

    So when he wins in November, conservatives don't have to freak out. Obama is a centrist and will appoint a balanced cabinet full of active people who will really get things done. This is exactly what our nation needs in this time of economic crisis.

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/20/2008 5:23:46 PM

    LifeFirst

    The best defense against abortions is education, which is hard to do when republicans want to cut spending across the board. .I still don't see anyone's point that giving a simple choice on whether or not to get an abortion translates to killing babies. Did I miss the memo that women stopped having them?

    You have been to high school and college, You know premarital sex is a big no no in the Catholic church. How many people did you know that were having sex during the week and in church on Sunday?

    Why would you polarize abortions as a African American issue? Is that the only race on Earth that is effected? Do you think that the Japanese WANT to exterminate themselves? Abortions effects ALL cultures and races. If you start bring up abortions, you have to also bring up male and female contraception. I suppose contraception was a plan against African Americans also.

    All of the wise cracks about Barack's remark taken out of context of when conception begins, I offer another view, conception is before the man and women even meet, even before THEY were born, infinitum. Every time we USE contraception we have just killed a baby. No one is perfect, so let's stop the judging already.

    • Posted By: allydo791 @ 10/20/2008 7:38:22 PM

      You are right that Catholics are opposed to the pre-marital sex. You are wrong in your insinuation that we use contraception as stated in you last claim. We believe that contraception is immoral on the grounds that it prevents a pregnancy, which is the natural result of sex, Therefore, we always remain open to the possiblilty of life.
      That argument does not work here.

      • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/22/2008 11:52:26 PM

        allydo791/ pallisor

        You're right, I retract my second to last statement, you can't kill that which wasn't conceived. I was thinking dimensionally with all scenarios present at any given moment waiting for our choice. Even then, what happens on one dimension has nothing to do with the other because they are parallel, awaiting our instructions. Contraception may destroy a possible alternate reality but that doesn't mean a baby was killed (unless a dimension involves an abortion).. I felt as soon after I sent the blog that my second to last statement WAS refutable.

        Following that thought, everyone we meet, we were supposed to meet and infinite scenarios going forward are played out on different dimensions simultaneously. So on one plane

  • Posted By: star3 @ 10/22/2008 8:59:47 PM

    Catholics and all christians of every faith, listen up! YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! You're either christian or you're not, and you're either for what God has said in the Holy Bible, or you're for what Obama has said in his speeches, but its NOT a choice of being christian ONLY when its convient. So, make a decision--Jesus or the anti-Christ (NOT saying Obama is, but if you are agreeing with him, you are dis-agreeing with God). Personally, I will chose the one who offers me an eternal life of happiness spent with all my family & loved ones after we leave this life. I will NOT choose the one who paints me a pretty picture that can only be temporary, plus there is no guarentee with it. Jesus has already given me a guarentee of his promise. Careful...its only a step but a giant one, and may be just one step away from something we're not prepared to face.

  • Posted By: rjdonato @ 10/22/2008 6:02:59 PM

    You liberals are a funny bunch......somehow you wander off the abortion subject (Bush Depression; Sara Palin's $150,000.00 dress, McCain economics, etc) when you've been proved wrong. But I find that is what most do when they are trying to justify a bad position. Get real. Abortion is the outright killing of a human being. If you support Obama, you support abortion.

  • Posted By: CourtneyB @ 10/22/2008 5:45:31 PM

    Proportional weight should indeed be given to each issue, whether it be a candidate's stance on abortion, the war, health care, or the economy. But we need to keep in mind the 49 million unborn children killed by legal abortion here in America. That's a far cry from even the most liberal estimates of deaths due to recent conflicts, and certainly more weighty an issue than insurance costs or the volatility of the stock market.

  • Posted By: krohn2 @ 10/22/2008 4:57:20 PM

    FactCheck.Org is owned by the Annenberg group of Chicago! Talk about a conflict of interest! And Obama has been telling people on the trail to check out the site to verify his opponents claims. Funny, every time that he endorsed something, it turns out to be a part of his spin machine! Like he raised objections in the primaries when Indiana required photo I.D. to vote. He Protested that It took away people's right to vote! I
    knew then and there that he was up to no good! America, wake up from the MASS HYPNOSIS!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTs1YyhFRg&feature=related

  • Posted By: CatholicDemocrat @ 10/22/2008 3:47:24 PM

    The authors of this article are right on. The truth is that our Faith has been hijacked for political purposes by a Party (GOP) that absolutely couldn't care less about our social teachings, our social justice imperatives and our commitment to the Common Good. The Pope recently issued a decree about "new sins" which include excessive wealth and doing damage to God's creation. Why aren't we judging McCain on these standards? Why aren't we judging McCain on his support for the death penalty, and for the continued killing of Iraqi women and children in our name for crying out loud!? Nearly all of my very large number of Catholic friends and family members -- all who grew up post-Vatican II will be voting for Obama because we are secure in our conviction that he is committed to more of the totality of Catholic social teaching than the GOP ticket, by far.

  • Posted By: mcgratm8556 @ 10/22/2008 3:14:35 PM

    This is hilarious! The basis of Cafardi, Kaveny and Kmiec's article is not that Obama's position on abortion is righteous, but rather it is the lesser of two evils when considering the totality of the political landscape. Are they serious? Why don't they just come right out and say, "OK, the truth is that Obama really is pro-abortion, but he is still the better candidate for X Y and Z reasons." I would have much more respect for them if they did, but instead they leave me wondering if they themselves are politically motivated or spiritually dead.

    In classic debating form, they have avoided the true argument of Mr. Weigel's article by masterfully changing the topic to divert attention from their inability to defend his attack. Even if I were to concede their own argument, that Obama would do more to lessen the incidence rate of abortion, I would be highly suspicious of their avoidance; epecially when tying it to the "black and white" measuring stick of the Catholic church. Obama's position on abortion is, at best, duplicit in classical political form. He states he is, "against abortion, but will not do anything that directly impedes a woman's ability to obtain one." That is absolutely a fine political position, one you may be shocked to hear I agree with, but it is incontrovertibly opposed to the view of the Catholic church - whereby your faith requires action! You either vehemently oppose abortion or you don't. Let's call a spade a spade, Obama don't.

  • Posted By: Fernadez @ 10/22/2008 2:56:37 PM

    YES .....AMERICAN IS NOT ONLY ANGRY THEY"RE ALREADY MAD........YES THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE MAD.

    WALLSTREET FAT CATS EXECUTIVES SPEND LUXIOUSLY US 440,000 FOR HOLIDAY PACKAGE IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEY GOT THE PUBLIC TAX PAYER BAILOUT MONEY.

    REPUBLICAN MISUSED $150,000 DONATION FUND ONLY FOR THEIR SARAH PALIN DRESSES TO BE USE ON HER RALLY SPEECHESS ,NOT TO MENTION HER CLOSE FAMILIY AND HER KIDS EXPENDITURE.

  • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/22/2008 1:56:07 PM


    NO apologies for being off-topic, since telling the truth must be the cornerstone of any faith.

    The Republican National Committee is distributing mail which says, 'TERRORISTS' on the front
    and opens to a big picture of Senator Obama, saying, 'Not who you think he is'.

    John McCain (colleague and collaborator with his opponent in the Senate),
    who promised to run a respectful campaign, just yesterday said he was "absolutely" proud of it.

    Conscience? Disgraceful and dishonorable is an understatement?

  • Posted By: tbthinkingwithclarity @ 10/22/2008 10:16:42 AM

    The authors, in their rebuttal to George Weigel, show their naivette if the really think Brack Obama's policies will really reduce abortion. Mr. Obama has done nothing in his career to promote policies that actually reduce abortion. On the contrary, his socialist agenda will lead to a situation similar to that in Europe over the last few decades, which has lead to increased out-of-wedlock pregnancies and more abortions. Further, Mr. Obama's party will immediately reverse President Bush's actions that reduced the availability of abortion on military bases, and that promoted a culture of life at the U.N.

    Rather than presenting a failed strategy, Mr. Weigel presents a viewpoint that shows a consistent ethic of life that is in keeping with Catholic social teaching and doctrine. I find Mr. Weigel to be much more persuasive.

  • Posted By: SaguaRose @ 10/22/2008 1:27:37 AM

    I don't understand this thread...the majority of people responding think it's ok to let the republican right push this country into oblivion because they are too dumb to know they are being manipulated. disgusting! Listen people: we don't get a vote on Roe v Wade. The Supreme Court does...obviously! We have three branches of government, and yet people are still intent on voting for the branch that is NOT ON THE BALLOT. I have an idea...why don't you study law, graduate first in your class, get nominated for the Supreme Court by the President, get approved by the Congress, and THEN VOTE! Does anyone know how our goverment works any more? Is this why we're going down the toilet? because people don't understand the simplest of concepts?

  • Posted By: allydo791 @ 10/22/2008 12:33:55 AM

    A beautiful speech made by Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput regarding this subject.

    http://www.zenit.org/article-23964?l=english

  • Posted By: greatmidwest @ 10/18/2008 10:23:23 PM


    Baptist Senator Barack Obama may very well become the nation's first US President of African-American decent, though his running mate Sen. Joe Biden will become the nation's first Roman Catholic Vice President. Ini either case, both men respect a woman's right to choose when it comes to termination of pregnancy. An abortion is a woman's choice foremost, not the federal government's choice to decide.
    That is the very reasons why our Founding Fathers decreed the Separation of Church and State due to these very delicate moral issues. e also need to allow sick patients the Right to Die in peace and not intervene as the GOP and Senator /Dr. Frist and Dr. Bush did in the most controversial Right to Die case in America's history regarding brain dead Terri Schiavo. May she rest in peace and God Bless America!

    • Posted By: allydo791 @ 10/18/2008 10:52:55 PM

      Joe Biden is not a Roman Catholic. A person cannot claim to be a "pro-life Catholic", it is a contradictory statement which goes directly against the teachings of the Church. Biden deserves excommunication from the church.

      • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/18/2008 11:02:50 PM


        Joe Biden is in his mid-sixties and he has been a catholic all his life.
        He says he has his own opinion but accepts and allows that others may not share it.
        As far as I know, he is pro-life.
        So put the stones away, if you can bring your good conscience to do it.

        • Posted By: allydo791 @ 10/19/2008 12:59:03 PM

          tHe claims to be pro-life, but is running with a candidate that is strictly pro-abortion. He says that he does not wish to "impose" his Catholic beliefs on others. The term for this in Catholic moral theology is "formal cooperation" meaning that by promoting and advancing a person who does support the evil act, he himself cooperates in that evil. The Bishop and Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Denver have both written and spoken on this subject. you can find the papers on the website of the archdiocese. Have you not heard the negative response by Catholic bishops over what he and Pelosi said on Meet the Press?

          • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/20/2008 3:50:03 PM


            Pro-choice is not the same as your preferred rationale of 'Pro-abortion'.
            You keep thumping on it, but it is false and misleading.

            • Posted By: allydo791 @ 10/20/2008 6:30:20 PM

              The term is neither false nor misleading. A person who is pro-choice SUPPORTS the idea that a woman has the "right" to an abortion, meaning that they an "pro-abortion" in the sense that they believe abortion is an acceptable practice.

              But its curious that you do take offense to the wording. I think people believe they can feel less guilty of an evil act by disassociating that act from the term to which they refer to it. By referring to abortion as "choice" it becomes much more palatable to the masses, but that does not make the reality of its meaning any less disturbing.

              Abortion is still destroying the life of a child in his ot her mother's womb, calling that "choice" in an effort to sugar-coat that reality is what is false and misleading.

              • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/20/2008 9:58:02 PM


                You will never, ever be able to legislate for a subjective feeling about spiritual truth or subjective feeling about what is right for other people, in-group or not, in any situation.

                It is not about YOU, or your personal opinion or some fantasy about what is right for billions of people that
                are different socially, economically, educationally, culturally, geographically, ethnically, etc.

                The 'freedom' thing you tout -- does it include freedom of thought?
                Or do manacles come included in the box
                sent from the Thought Police?

                • Posted By: allydo791 @ 10/21/2008 12:37:47 AM

                  You say that a Catholic person can vote for a pro-abortion candidate here and on other pages. The statements you make are contradictory to what Catholic Bishops across the nation are trying to explain to voters. They all say thay Biden is making declarations contrary to Church doctrine. Your defense of the senator shows that you chose to be ignorant to the beliefs of the Church, while still claiming to belong to it. This is sad. Biden cannot say that he is a Catholic but that he believes women still have the right to abort their children. Talk to your Bishop wherever you live...see if he believes you are right or if he believes (with the rest of US bishops) that Biden is acting out of line in his statements regarding the Church, Catholicism, and a women's "right to chose".

                  • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/21/2008 1:19:03 PM


                    Your are in your own little box, and if that keeps you happy
                    and you are content to be
                    out of touch with the needs
                    and realities and lives of billions of people in this world,
                    who don't have your life, your background, your socio-economic in-group,
                    who are not actually little mini-YOUs,
                    then please keep repeating everywhere the same lines, as you have been doing.

                    • Posted By: allydo791 @ 10/22/2008 12:28:38 AM

                      Listen to your bishops, they are trying to help you made an important moral decision.
                      Why are you so intent in acting against their advice.

                      This is a link to a speech by Archbishop Chaput of Denver on Friday that is getting a lot of attention here in the archdiocese.

                      http://www.zenit.org/article-23964?l=english

                      With that, I need to wrap up this discussion. May God help you make an informed decision this November. And maybe ths article assist you in making whatever decision you ultimately make. You may chose afterwards to hold to your position...but please read it.

  • Posted By: allydo791 @ 10/18/2008 10:45:13 PM

    A Catholic cannot vote for any pro-abortion candidate. The Church should step forward and excommunicate any Catholic politician who takes a stance for abortion, including Biden and Pelosi. Any Catholic person who votes for a pro-abortion candidate actively cooperates in that evil. Ask your bishop, or you can probably find articles online from your acrhdioces.

    ???When morally flawed laws exist, those who formulate them and all who participate in public life have an obligation to work toward correcting those defective laws,??? he said. ???If we and those whom we elect neglect to attempt to limit the harm and overturn these laws, we too cooperate in that evil.???

    The bishop said that in a similar sense, a Catholic cannot rightly vote for a candidate who supports an intrinsic evil such as abortion, precisely because they support that intrinsic evil.
    ???This would be in terms of traditional Catholic moral theology, ???formal cooperation??? in grave evil and would be seriously sinful,??? he said. ???To vote for a candidate who supports an intrinsic evil such as abortion would require a proportionate moral reason for ignoring such a flaw. This may be easier to conceive in theory than to discover in actual practice.???

    This is taken from an article in the latest Denver Catholic Register, from a speech made by Auxiliary Bishop James Conley adressing faithful citizenship and forming ones' conscience. Here is the link to the entire article.

    http://www.archden.org/index.cfm/ID/763

    It doesnt matter if you agree with Obama on the other issues. This is a man who wishes, despite what he publicly declares, to expand abortion practices. A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS ALSO A VOTE THAT WILL SUPPORT AN ACT OF INTRINSIC EVIL. The Church needs to come out and make this declaration publicly, not just in articles in a local archdoicese newspaper. They also need to start excommunicating Catholics who publicly declare beliefs contrary to those of the Church.

    • Posted By: olpdog @ 10/18/2008 11:09:14 PM

      allydo791, from what I remember about Catholic School, killing living people is a sin. If you look at the war your religious President Bush started, and has continued to support, tens of thousands of humans of all ages have been killed. McCain wants to continue this onslaught. By the way, McCain was Pro-Choice until 2004. He changed his view to get ignorant people like you to vote for him.

      • Posted By: allydo791 @ 10/19/2008 2:44:22 AM

        There is no "pro-war" candidate in this election. Both wish to exit Iraq. However, one candidate, McCain, wishes to wait until it is responsible to do so while the other, Obama, wishes to exit prematurely and potentially lose all progress gained in Iraq...Obama's surrender would mean that all the courageous soldiers who lost their lives will have done so in vain.

        Your comparison of abortion to the situation in Iraq is an flawed argument. It is a tragedy anytime an innocent person loses their life. However, every time an abortion is performed the very PURPOSE of the act is the termination of innocent life. That is not the intent of war; no one wills that the innocenet be harmed and it is mourned when that is the case. But the intent of an abortion is that the result of the procedure will be the destruction of life. Millions upon millions of innocent humans have died being aborted and Obama does not see that this act is evil. Obama has an AGENDA that will expand abortion practices if he does become president. On his own website he expresses support of the federal Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) which aims to eliminate all regulations on abortion including restrictions that require minors to have parental consent before they have abortions. FOCA also wishes to eliminate "conscience-plause" protection, which assures Catholic doctors the right to refuse to perform abortions. This would also mean that Catholic hospitals would be targeted and pressured to abort babies. I dont believe that a law like this would never go into affect...but the fact that Obama supports it shows his true character and beliefs. IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH FOCA, PLEASE LOOK IT UP, the proposition is very disturbing.

        I think it is funny that the first thing you wrote was "from what I remember about Catholic school", sounds as if maybe you havent been to Mass in a while.

        • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/21/2008 1:10:47 PM

          Thousands of American and Iraqi people died in vain in Iraq.
          It was a manufactured and phoney war, and shouldn't never have happened in the first place.

          MILLIONS of people in this country support freedom of choice, including Obama and many of his colleagues. We would all like the reality and sadness of abortion to disappear, wouldn't we? That is not being "pro-abortion".

          Playing the "blame Obama" game is just ridiculous.

          And I do not ever remember one catholic questioning another about attending Mass!
          As with the abortion issue, it's a PERSONAL issue
          and so sorry to have to break it to you ----- not in your power to control.

          • Posted By: allydo791 @ 10/21/2008 11:55:22 PM

            Abortion is not a personal issue. According to the Doctrine of the Church, it is an intrinsic evil. And as a Catholic you have a responsibility to act according to this faith. The bishops around the country are all saying this. Read what Archbishop Charles Chaput said on Friday regarding this moral decision.

            http://www.zenit.org/article-23964?l=english

            The language and intent is pretty clear.

  • Posted By: JDinHouston @ 10/21/2008 4:26:57 PM

    As an American Catholic I think about how each candidate will improve life. To me, that means that I must look beyond a single issue and listen to the guidance in my heart as well as from my church. Based on this foundation, I see my only choice as Senator Obama. McCain is just too wrong on too many other issues that, in my opinion, will not improve the life of all for the greater good. If my vote can improve health care, end this war with success for America, restore our standing in the world, then I have to believe I have done my part. If that means Roe v Wade continues on the books, so be it, no one "wants" abortion and I believe I will have saved far more children by improving healthcare and quality of life than will be served by voting on just this one issue. And for my Catholic friends that think otherwise, why are you not so vocal about ending the death penalty? That, too, violates our beliefs.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/21/2008 11:31:16 AM

    After 9/11, the US government started rounding up Muslims without cause and without due process of law, like we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. The Bush administration called it's main internment camp Guantanamo Bay. While there are certainly many guilty terrorists held in Guantanamo, there are also many innocent American citizens who have been held illegally for years without even being charged with any crime. They have been tortured by our government. Some of them have died.

    Recently the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration in the matter of Guantanamo Bay. The Supreme Court Justices were NOT on the side of the terrorists. They were on the side of the Geneva Convention, that says you can not torture POWs, and on the side of US laws that state you can not imprison a person without charging them with a crime and bringing them to trial. I'm sure that like most Americans, the Justices who voted against the illegal, immoral doings at Guantanamo didn't feel sympathy for the terrorists. They felt sympathy for the laws of AMERICA, the land of the FREE, where even rat finks get a fair trial.

    Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the Bush administration is busy trying to build a smokescreen to hide the CRIMES they have committed. Those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Just think, the National Debt went up over 6 trillion dollars under Bush. More than 2 TRILLION of it went directly into the pockets of Halliburton, a corporation owned by the Cheney family. Halliburton is now a DUBAI corporation and therefore is not subject to US taxes. All that money they took out of the US Treasury is going into the coffers of a MUSLIM country.

    Did you hear about how the US government is being charged millions for Halliburton deliveries of sand into Iraq from Kuwait? Sand. Like there is a shortage of sand in Iraq? Another contractor shipped sand from Idaho to Iraq at our expense. Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz discusses these and other excesses of our current government's out of control spending in Iraq.

    Your grandchildren will be working like slaves to pay off this debt, so that the Bushes and Cheneys can live the high life in Dubai.

    Yeah, they're patriots, Bush&Co. They wear flag pins. And hide the money they stole from America in Dubai.

    And they want me to believe that Obama is a socialist. Right.

    In case you think McCain is any different than Bush, watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

  • Posted By: avram @ 10/21/2008 11:23:52 AM

    Thankfully our predecessors recognized that some evils need to be directly confronted. It wasn???t enough to mumble about 'adverse economic and social circumstances' when plantation owners abused human beings as property. It???s absurd to reduce the cattle-cars hurtling to Auschwitz as regrettable side effects 'tied to the nation's economic fortunes'. Would our three authors want to explain to the African-Americans in their community that we???ve shelved their freedom since that 'legal path has not worked to date'? Would they want to tell their Jewish neighbors that shutting down the holocaust is merely an 'intellectual siren call'? We need leaders who recognize their responsibility to defend our rights, first of which is life.

  • Posted By: avram @ 10/21/2008 11:20:34 AM

    Thankfully our predecessors recognized that some evils need to be directly confronted. It wasn???t enough to mumble about ???adverse economic and social circumstances??? when plantation owners abused human beings as property. It???s absurd to reduce the cattle-cars hurtling to Auschwitz as regrettable side effects ???tied to the nation's economic fortunes???. Would our three authors want to explain to the African-Americans in their community that we???ve shelved their freedom since that ???legal path has not worked to date???? Would they want to tell their Jewish neighbors that shutting down the holocaust is merely an ???intellectual siren call???? We need leaders who recognize their responsibility to defend our rights, first of which is life.

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