A Catholic Brief for Obama

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  • Posted By: pconearth @ 10/18/2008 7:13:50 PM

    I am anti abortion, Catholic and pro-life in all situations. Pro-life means so much more than only anti-abortion. It means all life is valued, babys, war victims, prisoners, the poor. I am voting for Obama! Following Christ requires feeding the poor, clothing the naked, loving my neighbor, caring for the sick, ect..

    • Posted By: destrecht @ 10/18/2008 9:34:08 PM

      I reject the ability to vote for Obama on the grounds that he is pro-abortion. No matter what, I can't vote for (and therefore show my approval for) someone that publicly supports abortion. But more importantly in this case- I reject the argument that Republicans are causing more abortions by causing poverty. Poverty is not caused by the conservatives. I assert that it's actually ended by conservatives in the form of an economy that creates jobs. Let's face it, not everyone can or wants to run a business, but those that do need workers, and conservatives try to end taxes so as to allow the big companies to make those jobs. There haven't been real conservatives in office for a long time, and the Republicans that were there had a VERY slim margin the last eight years, not getting very much done.

      There's also the notion that voting against government programs that 'help' the poor is intrinsically evil. I simply disagree. Once again, I'd have to say that the reverse is true. For starters, look at the personal giving of Republicans vs. Democrats. Let's take the top contenders right now. Go ahead, I'll wait. As a Catholic, taking care of the poor is MY responsibility. Whether in the form a canned goods at my church or donating to World Missions, it should be done by me. Voting doesn't cost anything, and voting while in congress is something that people are paid to do. I don't have any respect for someone that points there finger and says ???You need to take care of the poor!??? This takes the responsibility (and grace) off the individual.

      It's also a bad idea since the government is inept. There's very little they can do right. Look at Katrina. Wal-Mart did a much better job of getting people supplies than FEMA. The Casinos took care of Mississippi's gulf coast. Look at any program. You know that it's usually a pain in the butt to get anything done. This also keeps people poor. Catholic Charities is far more efficient.

      At the risk of Cliche'ing, People need a hand up, not a handout. These government programs keep people poor, and jobs put food on the table, as well as providing something no government program can create- dignity.

  • Posted By: YouCANNOTbePROABORTIONandCatholic @ 10/18/2008 9:03:18 PM

    Obama is a socialist who will simply give more to those who refuse to work. If you are one of them, congrats, you will benefit from his socialism. If you work, you will pay more to the govt. Don't tell me that he will lower our taxes, he can't possibly pay for all of his programs without either raising taxes, or by spending more money and devaluing the dollar even further which means YOU will pay ! Socialism didn't work in France, it's why they elected a Conservative. It didn't work with in Hawaii with a similar health care program because as soon as the state offered it for "free" (which is not free taxpayers pay for it) people cancelled their insurance and joined up for the socialized state welfare program. Hawaii just had to cancel it because it was a bloated expensive program that simply turned working people into welfare recipients.

  • Posted By: YouCANNOTbePROABORTIONandCatholic @ 10/18/2008 8:58:33 PM

    How can any Catholic or American support a candidate that supports infanticide and partial birth abortion? Why does anyone think that they can decide who lives and dies?? I suggest checking out this web site. http://www.rebeccakiessling.com/

  • Posted By: catholic for obama @ 10/18/2008 8:46:41 PM

    I am a catholic supporting Obama. Regarding abortion we are getting confused ourselves by mixing faith and politics. For me faith is personal and I am pro-life in its greater meaning. I don't see a conflict with pro-choice because, once the choice is given, you decide what to do. I will choose my catholic faith and values ahead of government laws. Many people gets killed in gun violance, drugs and war. Why aren't we equally worried about those killings. I was kind of laughing when Ms. Palin talked about abortion and moral values when her teen age daughter is pregnent outside a marriage. So what I figure out was there is no point in using moral value as a guideline to vote for a candiadate. Look at a bigger picture, look at the candidate forget the party. Obama's vision and plan covers poor and less fortunate people. Education is in his priority list. He has a clear vision for Energy independence.

  • Posted By: joeranger @ 10/18/2008 5:06:34 AM

    I reject the premise that a faithful can back a demon. People who are not Catholic should not comment because you do not have our beliefs. There is too much rationlization over the pro choice side but the fact remains it is still a innocent child that is being put to death. The pope, the bishops, and our faithful followers know the rules. If woman chose thier mates carefully thru proper courtship and not create these innocents, then there would be not abortions. Only respectful relationships and strong marriages.
    The dems need the woman vote and would rather kill babies for their political power.

    • Posted By: sincere0606 @ 10/18/2008 8:45:32 PM

      That comment is so funny because McCain wants to stay in Iraq, he supports the death penalty, and Gun's. All of these things equal death to people alive with families. Know what is he really pro life or pro choice.

  • Posted By: pmcdonald35 @ 10/18/2008 1:25:06 AM

    Giving more social "hand-outs" will not end poverty. We have already tried it. It keeps people right at the same socio-economic level- look at African Americans compared to anyother minority- still the highest level of poverty. Giving more aid to lower income families does not fix the problem, especially when that aid is being redistributed from better-off people such as myself. A lesson in Micro-economics. I am a doctor. My sister babysits at any given time about 5 kids in her home and pretty much lives close to the poverty level.
    Acting here as the "fedral government" I started paying cable, electric, water, etc for my sister. 5 years later- is she any better off? Nope. In fact- once I started paying her bills, she CUT DOWN on the number of kids she would watch.
    So giving aid to poor families will not solve the problem of abortion. It is ecudation and the value our culture places on life and the clear stance on this issue from the Catholic Church that SHOULD stop abortions.
    Their is no excuse. Church Doctrine is church Doctrine. Abortion is strictly prohibited-period. You can not negotiate with it, you can not reason with it. The Church absolutely demands that you do not support a pro-choice candidate-period. Man's justification and/or reasoning as proposed is like many things that have faced the Church over two millenia- a challenge. However despite its faults over the centuries, which by the way Jesus warned about it, "The gates of Hell will not prevail over it." You cannot name ANYTHING that has lasted two thousand years, with its global reach centered in one place, members from all over the world, and whose laws and power extend into countries that have sovreign governments, and whose members are from every socioecoomic backgrounds and culture. (Google the "Miricale of the Catholic Church" the rest of the title of the article is "Lends Support to the Existance of God")

    • Posted By: sincere0606 @ 10/18/2008 8:34:48 PM

      It is so funny that you would act like Black People are lazy, I went to school in the black area and guess what ? the books we have had been in the scool for 20yrs, my area had no boy's and girls clubs, and when we wanted to fun water fights like kids to cool off in the summer they would call the police on us. If it wasn't for my mother I wouldn't have had an education because none of my teachers should have been teachers. It's funny to know little things like a boys club, after school programs can keep you from a life of sex and crimes. Funding these programs can go a long way to prevent unwanted children .

  • Posted By: YouCANNOTbePROABORTIONandCatholic @ 10/18/2008 8:29:28 PM

    What's interesting is that these authors didn't note Obama's commitment to Planned Parenthood, an organization that is on record for targeting the black community for abortion. They also failed to mention that they are also on record for covering up a statutory rape. Google Search LILA ROSE and read about how they went undercover and found Planned Parenthood employees more than willing to target the black community for abortion with the donations and cover up statutory rape.

    These individuals support a Presidential Candidate willing to support infanticide, partial birth abortion, genocide and child abuse.

    If they think this is good advise for the Catholic community or Americans in general they are sadly mistaken. The Church is clear on this issue and they have no right to speak for the church in this instance. It would be like a Catholic making a case for George Bush who defied the Just War Doctrine and sent our troops to war in Iraq.

  • Posted By: sincere0606 @ 10/18/2008 8:07:05 PM

    If John McCain is pro life then why would he want our troops to stay in Iraq ? Why would he support the death penalty? and why would he support gun's? from the way things look I think Mr. McCain is pro choice.

  • Posted By: poptoy @ 10/18/2008 6:55:11 PM

    As a Catholic abortion is my litmus test!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: MissPriss @ 10/18/2008 6:10:40 PM

    Obama wants to take care of those less fortunate. I can't think of anything more Catholic. Women have to decide whether to commit murder through abortion. If we overturn Rowe vs Wade, women will still get abortions. Only, they will do it underground.
    Obama has very Catholic ideas when it comes to taking care of the poor and elderly.

  • Posted By: AlwaysInTheRight @ 10/18/2008 4:49:38 PM

    We as a nation are doomed if we don't have the courage to stand up for those that have no voice: the unborn, yet conceived. One cannot go down the slippery slope that is the argument for abortion: as soon as one does, then it becomes easier to rationalize many other issues of extreme concern.

    F. LaGard Smith, a Professor of Law at Pepperdine University in California, wrote an excellent book titled 'When Choice Becomes God.' To paraphrase Bill Muehlenberg's review of the book:

    "Choice is indeed the false god of this age. Hiding behind such facades as ???I???m personally against abortion but I won???t impose my values on others - it???s their choice??? just won???t wash. One might just as well say, ???I???m personally against rape and genocide, but others must make up their own minds.??? There are some areas that are just out of bounds, just beyond choice.'

    • Posted By: Romero @ 10/18/2008 6:09:31 PM

      The question I have, is can abortion be stopped by passing calls or making it illigal. When abortion was illigal abortions were still being performed in this country by quacks to poor women, and in Canada, or Europe to the middle class young women who had parents that can pay for it. It will take much more then government to stop abortion. I do not believe in abortions. However, I know that each and everyone of use will have to answer to God for our actions. Is taking innocen life in a war moral? (Iraq). Man is basically evil, and only God can change his moral values, we as humans can not. What we should be doing is finding ways to eliminate the need for a women to have an abortion. Maybe we will be more successful in lowering abortions in this manner.

  • Posted By: MissPriss @ 10/18/2008 6:06:43 PM

    It is true, we must look at Obama's whole plan. Is he pro-life? Maybe. He wants women to have health care and not take away their options. Again, it is the women's choice to make the immoral decision to abort. Just as it is someone's choice to use a gun to kill a human. Obama wants to take care of those less fortunate. I can't think of anything more Catholic than that.

  • Posted By: Martinetti @ 10/18/2008 3:11:15 PM

    The U.S. has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the industrialized world; where's the outrage about THAT? These folks (below) want to focus on the very rarely occuring "partial birth abortion", to the exclusion of this national tragedy, which of course gets far less press. It certainly makes no sense to call their position "pro - life" while they continue to ignore the unnecessary death of U.S. infants due to our sorry health care system. If you want to talk about saving babies, let's talk about reforming health care....and don't even try to tell me a $5,000 tax credit will help - that won't pay for half of most insurance premiums. Wake up, rigid right!

    • Posted By: LifeFirst @ 10/18/2008 5:52:45 PM

      No no you don't get it. The Catholic Church is unequivocally opposed to abortion. The Catholic Church also has been since 33AD the largest single provider of material assistance to the poor- schools, orphanages, hospitals, AIDS hospices... you name it. We go for it ALL -- life and the just society that will sustain that life. That is Catholic Social Teaching. Read the documents. Look at the history. It's all there.

  • Posted By: Junglejim123 @ 10/18/2008 4:33:58 PM

    A church can't have a value system based on race. The churches value
    > system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if its a
    > white church or a black church it's still wrong. Anyone from either
    > race that attends a church like this would never get my vote.
    >
    > Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal
    > theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of
    > Liberation. Cone once wrote: 'Black theology refuses to accept a God
    > who is
    > not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is
    > not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had
    > better kill him.
    >
    > Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?
    >
    > So what does all this mean for the nation?

    • Posted By: terry t @ 10/18/2008 5:26:05 PM

      Rev. Wright refers to Jesus as a Black Man who knew the abuse of the "white (Roman)" power structure. I have alwasy read that Jesus was a Jew?? Enter Your Comment

  • Posted By: mullingitover @ 10/17/2008 9:23:41 PM

    The abortion debate mystifies me. Calling an acorn an oak tree does not make it one. Calling a week-old fetus a child does not make it one.

    Granted, religious institutions aren't known for being on a solid intellectual footing, but this is ridiculous. The church encourages its members to vote on a single issue which will probably never affect them, and ignore the economic issues which will affect every one of them. It's sad how religious belief gets perverted in this way.

    • Posted By: terry t @ 10/18/2008 5:22:54 PM

      just what does it make a fetus? a dog? a monkey? when the cells start developing it is a living form IF left to develope to term what would it be??? a Human Being with all the Rights you have.Enter Your Comment

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/18/2008 3:54:10 PM

    I am a Catholic pro-Life white Republican woman. I am voting for Obama.

    People forget that BOTH Obama and McCain have been pro-Choice. McCain "flip-flopped" on this issue in 2004 when he started voting 90% with Bush. Prior to 2004 McCain was pro-Choice, and he even called Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell "agents of intolerance" (which in fact they were). Since that time he has stood on a stage with Jerry Falwell, praising him. So it is impossible to know what McCain actually thinks on this issue. Is he pandering to the religious right when he vows to overturn Roe v. Wade? What is really in his heart? How would he act if he were elected? Would you get the conservative McCain you see now, the liberal leftist McCain from 1999-2004? These inconsistencies disturb me. I know there is such a thing as political expedience, but the end result is that I can not trust McCain. Nobody knows his real views on abortion.

    Furthermore, I think that Obama's position on abortion and many other issues is considerably more moderate than is generally assumed.

    To all of the conservatives out there who think that Obama is a flaming liberal, I would like to remind you of what he did when he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. The Law Review President gets to name ten individuals to write articles for the Review, and these ten people get to control the content of the publication. All of the minorities and the liberals thought they finally had it made, that Obama would appoint ten left wing editors. Instead, Obama appointed three conservatives, three liberals and four moderates. That year the Law Review was critically acclaimed as the best run and best written Harvard publication in decades.

    So when he wins in November, conservatives don't have to freak out. Obama is a centrist and will appoint a balanced cabinet full of active people who will really get things done. This is exactly what our nation needs in this time of economic crisis.

    • Posted By: terry t @ 10/18/2008 5:20:25 PM

      doesn't Obama vote for his leaders 100% of the time? He has not gone against anything Pelosi of Reed have brought up to vote on..... uMMMMM

  • Posted By: Junglejim123 @ 10/18/2008 4:40:51 PM

    Ever lookat an ultra sound ? See a little blob with eyes and feet and head and toes looking back at you ?? Now tell us that that little baby doesnt deserve to live - that you would bash its head in and suck out its brains. If you can do that then you are a socipath - devoid of an emotion or beliefs in God . Do not try to say you ara Catholic or are religious or a Christian if you believe in late term abortion or abortion period. Thou shalt not kill and too many people today are willing to kill that little baby inside. This is why we will face the wrath of God- we are directly violating one of his sacred commandments. Abortion on demand like a blue light sale at K-Mart. God help us all especially if this radical anti-American Muslim Obama gets in office.

  • Posted By: antares888 @ 10/18/2008 4:23:19 PM

    Isn't there just ONE "anti-abortion" person out there, who believes a fetus is equal to a live, after birth, baby, who will answer the question I ask? (See comments posted at 8:02 this morning) Why not?

    • Posted By: LifeFirst @ 10/18/2008 4:34:23 PM

      antares, the problem here is not any pro-lifer telling you what to believe -- revering human is the core element of natural law, ie the deep understanding and wisdom that every human is born with and keeps only as much as he or she makes choices according to it. "Do not kill" is a part of us. As to the building -- whichever is the most feasible to enter and be successful. They all are human.

  • Posted By: LifeFirst @ 10/18/2008 4:23:14 PM

    So, until we can fix all the ills of society, we will kill the kids who might have to suffer the ills. Yep, makes sense to me. Sounds a little lazy tho -- why not fix the ills AND let those conceived live? Work, hey, even give a little, for ALL human beings. Oh, wait, I forgot, we decided some weren't human. Hope we guessed right... Anyway, I say we save the kids lives, and work like hell to fix the rest.

  • Posted By: Evax @ 10/18/2008 3:12:54 PM

    Reasonable pro-choice Obama vs unreasonable pro-life Palin = A national disaster is programmed to occur when an unreasonable person appears as the Commander-in-Chief in the White House, regardless of whether s/he is pro-.

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