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  • Posted By: jidlo @ 10/30/2008 4:12:56 PM

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  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/24/2008 1:10:16 AM

    Spread the wealth how.? Look at his past. Obama in this video, addressing his work with ACORN litigation against the banks and relating to the Community Reinvestment Act and the failure of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, as they relate to the current real estate and financial crisis, states that, and I quote:

    "Subprime lending started out as a good idea, helping Americans buy homes who previously could not afford to. Financial institutions created new financial instruments that could securitize these loans, slice them into finer and finer risk categories, and spread them out among investors and around the country, as well as around the world. In theory, this should have allowed mortgage lending to be less risky, and more diversified."

    "The original idea was a good one, which was, lets see if we can distribute risk more broadly, and make it easier to provide loans to people who otherwise might not be able to get one."

    Listen for yourself. You cannot dispute the mans on words recorded live:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related


    Obama in this second video is campaigning at a convention of Acorn and I believe two other ???Community Activist's organizations. Ask if he will be their ally if he becomes President, Obama says, quote:

    "Yes, but let me say that before I even get inaugurated, during the transition we are going to be calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda."

    See and hear it for yourself. Obama promised that Acorn and other groups like it will setting his agenda if elected:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU
    Below is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
    See also
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/164732 from this web site. (oops!) stating that Freddie Mac was spending tax payer money to target Republicans in 2005 who were trying to regulate Fannie and Freddies fraud. Democrats were not targeted, as the were all in the tank with Fannie and Freddie to kill the regulations. Hear that, the article admits that Republicans were trying to regulate Freddie and Fannie, and Democrats were trying to stop it from happening as a means to facilitate the Community Reinvestment Act.

    See also: http://www.newsweek.com/id/164972
    Stating that Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act wasn't what caused the meltdown, and noting that "economists on both sides of the political spectrum have suggested that the act has probably made the crisis less severe than it might otherwise have been."

  • Posted By: krohn2 @ 10/20/2008 8:43:26 PM

    Obama, the excuses are wearing thin. what excuse do you have for this one?:
    http://www.againstobama.com/2008/10/obama-praised-searing-and-timely-book-by-ayers/

    • Posted By: Veracan @ 10/20/2008 11:10:11 PM

      Comment: Between 2006 to 2007 the number of uninsured dropped 1.3 million. Something must have happened with the Bush administration. And understand this...most people who work on straight commission do not have health insurance but their spouse does. Your numbers are scewed because these numbers you are indicating include those who chose to be self-employed and uninsured. Almost 58% of all Americans have health insurance through their employers. That number is down from almost 65% in the year 2000 due to employees going into business for themselves. Ever notice how many people are mowing yards these days? Most of these who quit determined they didn't want to punch a clock anymore or have anyone as a boss. Too bad Obama's socialism will soon be their boss even if they didn't vote for him. Stand up for God's sake America. Open your eyes and your ears. I swear I sometimes think the majority of Obama supporters didn't make it through high school mathematics. Just remember also who said we should go to Iraq. It was Colin Powell before the UNited Nations who told everyone that Iraq had nuclear devices. Surprise...they didn't. Even in his biography he tells how he convinced George Bush to go into Iraq. Gee I wonder what Colin could convince Obama to do? I know he could convince him to raise taxes like he voted for 94 times before. NOBAMA. .

      • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 10/23/2008 9:41:14 PM

        Lets see, 2006 to 2007 the house and senate was controlled by the democrats. In 2000 the house and senate majority were republicans, As for Colin Powell, no one wants to be left out in their lifetime of voting for the first African American President. If I believed and trusted him I would but I don't. He is partisan and only cares what the dems think and will vote that way. The dems are socialist. They have good and bad points but the economy is really bad and the republicans do know how to fix the budget. They were responsible for the surplus not the democrats in 2000. They did have control of the house and senate. Then the tables turned and the democrats got control and helped our economy go down the perverbial toilet.

  • Posted By: krohn2 @ 10/22/2008 4:53:12 PM

    FactCheck.Org is owned by the Annenberg group of Chicago! Talk about a conflict of interest! And Obama has been telling people on the trail to check out the site to verify his opponents claims. Funny, every time that he endorsed something, it turns out to be a part of his spin machine! Like he raised objections in the primaries when Indiana required photo I.D. to vote. He Protested that It took away people's right to vote! I
    knew then and there that he was up to no good! America, wake up from the MASS HYPNOSIS!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTs1YyhFRg&feature=related

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/21/2008 11:30:25 AM

    After 9/11, the US government started rounding up Muslims without cause and without due process of law, like we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. The Bush administration called it's main internment camp Guantanamo Bay. While there are certainly many guilty terrorists held in Guantanamo, there are also many innocent American citizens who have been held illegally for years without even being charged with any crime. They have been tortured by our government. Some of them have died.

    Recently the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration in the matter of Guantanamo Bay. The Supreme Court Justices were NOT on the side of the terrorists. They were on the side of the Geneva Convention, that says you can not torture POWs, and on the side of US laws that state you can not imprison a person without charging them with a crime and bringing them to trial. I'm sure that like most Americans, the Justices who voted against the illegal, immoral doings at Guantanamo didn't feel sympathy for the terrorists. They felt sympathy for the laws of AMERICA, the land of the FREE, where even rat finks get a fair trial.

    Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the Bush administration is busy trying to build a smokescreen to hide the CRIMES they have committed. Those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Just think, the National Debt went up over 6 trillion dollars under Bush. More than 2 TRILLION of it went directly into the pockets of Halliburton, a corporation owned by the Cheney family. Halliburton is now a DUBAI corporation and therefore is not subject to US taxes. All that money they took out of the US Treasury is going into the coffers of a MUSLIM country.

    Did you hear about how the US government is being charged millions for Halliburton deliveries of sand into Iraq from Kuwait? Sand. Like there is a shortage of sand in Iraq? Another contractor shipped sand from Idaho to Iraq at our expense. Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz discusses these and other excesses of our current government's out of control spending in Iraq.

    Your grandchildren will be working like slaves to pay off this debt, so that the Bushes and Cheneys can live the high life in Dubai.

    Yeah, they're patriots, Bush&Co. They wear flag pins. And hide the money they stole from America in Dubai.

    And they want me to believe that Obama is a socialist. Right.

    In case you think McCain is any different than Bush, watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

  • Posted By: krohn2 @ 10/21/2008 12:14:16 AM

    This is so true about how the election is already bought and paid for:
    http://www.againstobama.com/2008/10/what-is-it-that-barack-obama-knows-that-the-rest-of-us-don%E2%80%99t/#comment-1929

  • Posted By: greatmidwest @ 10/17/2008 10:07:55 PM


    Sadly, the Bush administration has done nothing of significance at helping those (currently 46 million) Americans who lack health insurance. This number is most likely an underestimate of those in this country who lack health insurance. The fact of the matter is that Senator Obama's proposed health plan reform bill will cover more Americans and be more affordable to those families in need.

    The numbers of those without health insurance is staggering those states with the most uninsured are:

    California 6.7 million

    Ohio 1.2 million

    Texas 6 million

    Pennsylvania 1.2 million

    North Carolina 1.5 million

    Florida 3.7 million

    Georgia 1.7 million

    New York 2.6 million

    Arizona 1.2 million

    New Jersey 1.3 million

    Virginia 1 million

    These numbers are way too high for the world's most powerful nation on Earth. Our nation's health is key to our productivity, our prosperity, and the proliferation of our democratic ideals around the world. Our nation's health is key to our success as a people.

    • Posted By: Veracan @ 10/20/2008 11:07:14 PM

      Between 2006 to 2007 the number of uninsured dropped 1.3 million. Something must have happened with the Bush administration. And understand this...most people who work on straight commission do not have health insurance but their spouse does. Your numbers are scewed because these numbers you are indicating include those who chose to be self-employed and uninsured. Almost 58% of all Americans have health insurance through their employers. That number is down from almost 65% in the year 2000 due to employees going into business for themselves. Ever notice how many people are mowing yards these days? Most of these who quit determined they didn't want to punch a clock anymore or have anyone as a boss. Too bad Obama's socialism will soon be their boss even if they didn't vote for him. Stand up for God's sake America. Open your eyes and your ears. I swear I sometimes think the majority of Obama supporters didn't make it through high school mathematics. Just remember also who said we should go to Iraq. It was Colin Powell before the UNited Nations who told everyone that Iraq had nuclear devices. Surprise...they didn't. Even in his biography he tells how he convinced George Bush to go into Iraq. Gee I wonder what Colin could convince Obama to do? I know he could convince him to raise taxes like he voted for 94 times before. NOBAMA. .

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/20/2008 6:13:52 PM

    Who "Joe the plumber" may be is not the issue, though it's easy to see why the Dems want it to be. That's because the real issue is what Obama's comments to him revealed about Obama. In the exchange with "Joe the plumber" we find out that Obama really is as radical as his early political acquaintances, Davis, Ayers, Wright, etc., and that he is into the failed economic policy of wealth redistribution. Obama's tax and spending plans alone would be bad enough, but add Reid and Pelosi to the mix, with the three of them controlling both houses of Congress and the executive branch without any effective restraint, and you have something that should causes concern even among moderate Democrats.
    See Wall Street Journal: A Liberal Supermajority:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html

    And whether McCain won or lost the third debate is also not relevant. He succeeded in the first half hour to plant the seeds of a Reagan style wipeout. Reputable historians and economists overwhelmingly agree that the taxation imposed by Hoover and FDR, and the "stimulus" spending and public works programs of FDR, actually deepened and prolonged the Great Depression. It was the production demands of WWII that got the economy going again. And when the war was over, the economy promptly went into recession.

    See e.g. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/03/opinion/main4499465.shtml
    And
    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

    Point is, Obama's programs are to tax, and it does not really matter who he taxes, those taxes are going to be passed through the economy. He has to tax, because it is they only way he can pay for his massive social engineering experiments. Any first year economics student knows that taxation is a tool used to contract an economy experiencing inflation, because it reduces demand by reducing the amount of money individuals and businesses have to spend. It is contractionary, which is exactly what you do not want to do when the problem is that the economy is contracting already into recession. Like Hoover and FDR, Obama's plans will only make it worse for longer.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/20/2008 6:13:41 PM



    Look and listen for yourself. Hear Obama in his own words discusses his links to both ACORN and the mortgage meltdown, and praises bundling and securitizing mortgages by banks as a means to float loans to the poor. Never mind the link commentators point of view, just listen to what Obama says in his own words. A picture is worth a thousand words. Maybe more in the case of the last half of the second link.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related

    See also:
    http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=808692&boardsparam=Page%3d2

    This is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    The link below contains a purported list of the top 25 in Congress who got contributions from the folks at Fannie and Freddie. Obama is listed third, after Dodd and Kerry, even though Obama is just a junior Senator. Obama is followed next by Clinton. Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are on the list as well.

    http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

    And the link below describes how some Democrats in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN, a group Obama has a long association with. See:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


  • Posted By: PatHayes @ 10/20/2008 3:30:21 PM

    "McCain's healthcare plan would ... deny coverage for pre-existing conditions like cancer." - The ad you criticize
    "people guaranteed basic benefits today would find those benefits eliminated under the McCain plan." - your article. That sounds pretty much like the same thing to me. Whether its 'endorsed' or just an obvious and inevitable consequence of what is 'endorsed' is just word-salad. Tell that to someone dying of untreated cancer.

    That sounds pretty much

  • Posted By: thinkpositiv @ 10/20/2008 2:27:19 PM

    HolyRoller... sounds like you need to ask for some forgiveness yourself.
    "Allah Akbar...... ...hahahaha"
    That's ridiculous, and completely hateful.
    I understand your frustration with politics, but it sounds like you have some anger management issues that you're projecting onto someone that wants nothing but the best for you. You might also spend some time reading more facts about both campaigns.
    Good luck to you.

  • Posted By: sarahcat @ 10/19/2008 5:30:18 AM

    McCain will never follow through with those tax credits. George Bush has been promising to offer tax credits ever since he has been in office. What McCain say he will do will NEVER Materalize/ He is just saying it to get votes, but like bush will never follow through. I don't believe him, he lies and so does Palin. They are both out to mislead and manipulate their voters. All they really want is control, power, money, and wealth for their own selfish reasons. I have never seen such unethical behavior by those in politics as with these two. They will destroy what ever is left of access to healthcare. They don't care about the needs of the people and are just looking out for themselves. Do not believe their lies, you will never see a tax credit. They will "forget" about it if they get in, and hope you won't notice, just like Bush did. Bush proposed he would imply using a tax credit in his 2008 State of the Union address. Just google this and read it for yourself. He was trying to impress the public by declaring he might offer a tax credit, but it never happened. Won't happen with McCain either. I don't trust them!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/18/2008 9:34:08 PM

    Comment: from tiny ACORNS grow huge FRAUDS....

    By Larry Johnson
    Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
    Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net

    Why is Barack Obama giving ACORN $832,000 when it is a tax dead beat? (Hat tip to an intrepid NoQuarter reader.) Before Obama and Biden cast any more stones at poor Joe the Plumber for a $1200 tax lien, they might want to insist that their buddies at ACORN pony up the HALF-MILLION DOLLARS they owe the Federal Government. That???s right boys and girls, according to Louisiana State financial records, ACORN is a mega deadbeat:

    INITIAL AMOUNT: $547,312
    INITIAL DOCKET #: 424212708
    AMOUNT: $547,312
    FILING DATE: 03/10/2008
    INITIAL DATE: 03/10/2008
    UPDATE DATE: 05/07/2008
    Name SSN/EIN Address
    IRS
    PLAINTIFF
    ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS FOR REFORM NOW
    DEBTOR
    1024 ELYSIAN FIELDS AVE
    NEW ORLEANS, LA 70117

    Of course, this raises some even more interesting questions.......

    Read rest @ NoQuarterUSA.net

    Allah Akbar Ya'll

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/18/2008 6:45:15 PM

    Hey obamamohammed hypocrites...chew on this....

    Obama's campaign treasurer, Martin Nesbitt, has three tax liens against him, for $1,722; $573; and $2,411.

    Allah Akbar Comrades.....hahahaha....destroyed by a PLUMBER...hahahaha

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 10/18/2008 8:29:27 AM

    Health plans don't take taxs write off for payments. $5,000 tax write off is B S ,probably get $1000 in a refund. Try buying health on $1000.Federal tax is going up as per MC cain, not payroll tax.Old man a tax is a tax.Who pays the Fedral Tax? Go lay down and let the democrat pass health care.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/18/2008 10:52:57 AM

      You show how really ignorant you are...every time you post a comment...I know obamamohammeds ...for the most part....have never paid any taxes, so they can't understand them...but...a little TAX101 just for you...

      McCain proposes a TAX CREDIT...not a tax deduction...or write off....A TAX CREDIT is dollar for dollar....a tax deduction reduces your AGI, and your taxes by your bracket....

      I know you still have no clue...so...McCain's plan...in easy to understand (even for a Kool-Aide Kid)...is worth $5000, no less..no more.

      Got it kiddo???

      Allah Akbar Comrade

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: joe_mama @ 10/18/2008 12:37:02 PM

        $5,000 doesn't cover half of my insurance plan (not to mention deductibles, co-pays and everything else).

        The problem isn't getting more money, it's the cost of providing health care, which Obama's plan addresses directly.

        You need to wake up and smell the coffee, Corn-HolioRoller...the United States has the most expensive and least efficient health care system in the world. In England, you may wait a few weeks to see a doctor. Here, I have to wait a week to see a doctor to get permission to wait another week to see another doctor.

        Which makes more sense?

        I know what you're gonna say, but those of use WITH sense know that our health care system is a festering @$$ boil that a $5,000 bandaid will not fix.

        Love,
        JM

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/18/2008 3:43:41 PM

          joe...are you an invalid...a handicapped citizen??? Are you employed...selling dope don't count....

          If Employers are required to provide insurance OR BE FINED...they will lay off, not hire, and stop pay raises...It is an individuals responsibility to PAY YOUR OWN BILLS...it is NOT MY JOB to pay YOUR bills, chump....

          Socialized Medical Care has failed everywhere it has been tried.....Hawaii this week announced...they are dropping their Universal Health Care...it has virtually bankrupted the state....Canadians with any $$$ come to The States...because the waiting list for common needs is 6-12 months in many cases.....EuroSissy programs are collapsing....the answer is NOT....Govt. handouts....The answer is GO TO WORK....

          Your name is on the $$$$....you need a mama....

          Allah Akbar Comrade....

          NOBAMA!!!

          • Posted By: joe_mama @ 10/18/2008 4:10:56 PM

            "The answer is GO TO WORK...."

            ...too bad work doesn't offer health insurance!

            Love,
            JM

            PS--are you going to join Tim Robbins in Canada when Obama wins?

            • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/18/2008 6:34:19 PM

              Hussein will not win....guess you will have to go back to panhandling....

              NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/18/2008 6:32:35 PM

    Samuel J. Wurzelbacher??? Middle names off limits???...hahahahahahah

    HUSSEIN...HUSSEIN...HUSSEIN...HUSSEIN...hahahahahahaha

    Chicago Thugolitcs brought to its knees by a PLUMBER...hahahahahaha

    Allah Akbar Comrades.....

    NOBAM

  • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/18/2008 1:19:18 PM

    Everyone of voting age should read these two books written by Obama, 'Dreams of My Father' and 'Audacity of Hope'. Don't buy them, get them from the library before they are removed from the shelves.

    From 'Dreams of My Father', "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

    From 'Dreams of My Father', "'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

    From 'Dreams of My Father', "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

    From 'Dreams of My Father', "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

    From 'Dreams of My Father', "I never emulate WHITE men and BROWN men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

    And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

    From 'Audacity of Hope', "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 10/18/2008 2:02:27 PM

      I just don't understand why some Black people do not trust White people.

      I mean, what did White people ever do to Blacks?

      JM


      ....oh yeah

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/18/2008 3:51:28 PM

        Hussein has NO African-American Slave blood in him...He DOES however have slave-owner blood...guess that is what is coming out...with his Commie Policies....

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: joe_mama @ 10/18/2008 4:15:26 PM

          I'll see you in the bread lines!

          JM

  • Posted By: fred-o @ 10/18/2008 2:22:23 PM

    Who is electing Obama as prez? Blacks are only 10% of the population. It's white people!!! So don't act like white people are a bunch of backward bigots from the 19th century.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/18/2008 3:47:50 PM

      WHo is electing Hussein??? Are ya ready Freddy??? No One Is...He is not going to be elected....Even NewWeak and Howie F. in a brand new article are whining about it....

      Hussein was exposed...by...Joe The Plumber....If that ain't a hoot...hahahahahahahaha

      Allah Akbar Comrade...

      NOBAMA!!!

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