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  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 10/21/2008 11:21:41 AM

    'Joe the Plumber' nonsense resonating as more important than Collin Powell's endorsement - that has to say a lot about voter sentiment. Maybe people are frustrated and fed up and just looking for a little entertainment. Hopefully it isn't because there is so much racial prejudice, which people don't want to admit to, and they then grab onto the garbage to hide behind. That would be like 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' and would indicate many are simply illiterate.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/21/2008 11:08:17 AM

    After 9/11, the US government started rounding up Muslims without cause and without due process of law, like we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. The Bush administration called it's main internment camp Guantanamo Bay. While there are certainly many guilty terrorists held in Guantanamo, there are also many innocent American citizens who have been held illegally for years without even being charged with any crime. They have been tortured by our government. Some of them have died.

    Recently the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration in the matter of Guantanamo Bay. The Supreme Court Justices were NOT on the side of the terrorists. They were on the side of the Geneva Convention, that says you can not torture POWs, and on the side of US laws that state you can not imprison a person without charging them with a crime and bringing them to trial. I'm sure that like most Americans, the Justices who voted against the illegal, immoral doings at Guantanamo didn't feel sympathy for the terrorists. They felt sympathy for the laws of AMERICA, the land of the FREE, where even rat finks get a fair trial.

    Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the Bush administration is busy trying to build a smokescreen to hide the CRIMES they have committed. Those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Just think, the National Debt went up over 6 trillion dollars under Bush. More than 2 trillion of it went directly into the pockets of Halliburton, a corporation owned by the Cheney family. Halliburton is now a DUBAI corporation and therefore is not subject to US taxes. All that money they took out of the US Treasury is going into the coffers of a MUSLIM country.

    Did you hear about how the US government is being charged millions for Halliburton deliveries of sand into Iraq from Kuwait? Sand. Like there is a shortage of sand in Iraq? Another contractor shipped sand from Idaho to Iraq at our expense. Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz discusses these and other excesses of our current government's out of control spending in Iraq.

    Your grandchildren will be working like slaves to pay off this debt, so that the Bushes and Cheneys can live the high life in Dubai.

    Yeah, they're patriots, Bush&Co. They wear flag pins. And hide the money they stole from America in Dubai.

    And they want me to believe that Obama is a socialist. Right.

    In case you think McCain is any different than Bush, watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 10/21/2008 9:14:16 AM

    who said what,he said ,all bull from the Republicans.Who have nearly destroyed the world economy.NO regulation from Gov't.. Republicans got it and did their thing.Plunder americans or who ever held still.So quick your crap with he said,she said answers for Republican policys To the left we go,thank God.

    • Posted By: neocon @ 10/21/2008 10:46:40 AM

      May 25, 2006
      Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005
      The United States Senate May 25, 2006 Sen. John McCain [R-AZ]: Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae???s regulator reported that the company???s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were ???illusions deliberately and systematically created??? by the company???s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal. The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight???s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae???s former chief executive officer, OFHEO???s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines??? compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac. The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator???s examination of the company???s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
      For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac???known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs???and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO???s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO???s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay. I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole. I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.

    • Posted By: neocon @ 10/21/2008 10:45:59 AM

      September 11, 2003
      The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.
      Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.
      The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.
      The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ??? which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt ??? is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.
      ???There is a general recognition that the supervisory system for housing-related government-sponsored enterprises neither has the tools, nor the stature, to deal effectively with the current size, complexity and importance of these enterprises,??? Treasury Secretary John W. Snow told the House Financial Services Committee in an appearance with Housing Secretary Mel Martinez, who also backed the plan.
      Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing. ???These two entities ??? Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ??? are not facing any kind of financial crisis,??? said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ???The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.??? Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed. ???I don???t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,??? Mr. Watt said.

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 10/21/2008 9:14:15 AM

    who said what,he said ,all bull from the Republicans.Who have nearly destroyed the world economy.NO regulation from Gov't.. Republicans got it and did their thing.Plunder americans or who ever held still.So quick your crap with he said,she said answers for Republican policys To the left we go,thank God.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 8:41:59 AM

    Look and listen for yourself. Hear Obama in his own words discusses his links to both ACORN and the mortgage meltdown, and praises bundling and securitizing mortgages by banks as a means to float loans to the poor. Never mind the link commentators point of view, just listen to what Obama says in his own words. A picture is worth a thousand words. Maybe more in the case of Obama comments in the last half of the second youtube link.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related

    See also:
    http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=808692&boardsparam=Page%3d2

    This is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
    See also
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/164732 from this web site. (oops!) stating that Freddie Mac was spending tax payer money to target Republicans in 2005 who were trying to regulate Fannie and Freddies fraud. Democrats were not targeted, as the were all in the tank with Fannie and Freddie to kill the regulations. Hear that, the article admits that Republicans were trying to regulate, and Democrats were trying to stop it from happening as a means to facilitate the Community Reinvestment Act.

    The link below contains a purported list of the top 25 in Congress who got contributions from the folks at Fannie and Freddie. Obama is listed third, after Dodd and Kerry, even though Obama is just a junior Senator. Obama is followed next by Clinton. Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are on the list as well.

    http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

    And the link below describes how some Democrats in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN, a group Obama has a long association with. See: Wall Street Journal

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 10/21/2008 8:32:47 AM

    I think Americans are simply becoming more aware of the fact those who have claimed the title of "Compassionate Conservatives" are not who they claim to be, One thing is very certain they are not compassionate nor are they conservative, we may be heading left as the article states but it's toward the center.
    The GOP propaganda machine has demonized many words, one of them is the word liberal, which if you run it in Encarta or Wikipedia it tells us it is an ideal that individual liberty is the most important goal.
    That embodies what America is all about. And is not an idea that is compatible with Communism let alone synonymous with it as some would have us believe.

  • Posted By: Morgan2008 @ 10/21/2008 6:59:32 AM

    Maramara: You write just like an Obamabot who doesn't know how to think for yourself and you resort to name calling anyone who posts an opinion that differs from yours and shows that they have originality and the intelligence of reasoning for themself. Calling someone an idiot who expresses an opinion contrary to what your pea brain can grasp says a lot about you and that you are the one who is the IDIOT.

  • Posted By: maramara @ 10/21/2008 6:39:48 AM

    I have come to realise that McCain has long years of service but no experience. He failed the exams on the economy and social justice. He may likely fail the exams on foreign policy. He even said he will not take with the Prime Minister of Spain.
    McCain is also sick, He has cancer but I didnot border about that. But it bordered me when he pick Palin, whose claim of seeing Russia from Alaska is the basis of her foreign policy experience. He is completely absent on the economy and social issues. Infact she now thinks of special need kids because she has one in her arms. What has she been doing for special need kids before? This is hypocracy.
    McCain lacks judgement. FULL STOP

  • Posted By: maramara @ 10/21/2008 6:23:45 AM

    Posted By: Morgan2008 @ 10/21/2008 6:10:42 AM
    Comment: Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama is a contradiction to Colin Powell's career in government, and it diminishes Powell's credibility in the past and present. Barack Obama's acceptance of Colin Powell's endorsement, and Obama's statement saying he will make Powell one of his advisors confirms Barack Obama's lack of judgment and lack of credibility in what he has been saying in his campaign in 2007 and 2008.
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    Thanks for your opinion but your opinion is non-biding to other.
    Do you think Obama will have to go an manufacture people from the moon to help him take America in the right direction? If that was your thinking, then I will have to tell you to get OUT OF THE BOX.
    So, if Obama wins, he should not take any advise from John McCain? Is that your point. I think you don't reason beyond your nose and you are forcing others to reason like you.
    Sorry idiot. I will not buy your idiocracy.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 1:57:57 AM

    Neos, its so far down the post I'll repeat here:

    Talk about me pasting all over. Ha. Look, about the economist report, I'm not going to chase it all over the site, but you know if you take those "independents" and the statment of "academic bias" and who responds (validity and sampling issues), and break the independants out 4 to 1 like the base sample, you get right up to that 80%. Wow, what a surprise! Proof once again that in sadistics (sic), numbers sufficiently tortured will confess to anything.

  • Posted By: neos @ 10/21/2008 1:41:51 AM

    Still chuckling about the My Three Sons thing. Hey, I used to enjoy that show.. But then the simpsons (Fox network!!) came along and my soul was doomed. Anyways time to go....
    See you in the ring later.
    Did you appreciate the catphoti thing..?

    • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 1:47:43 AM

      Lost. What where?

  • Posted By: neos @ 10/21/2008 1:06:17 AM

    Andnow. A serious question for you. First the background. I have a neighbor who is as rightwing as they come. He pulled the anti-American crack just the once, and i threatened to throw him off the hill. Since then we have an understanding. We disagree on everything, but at the end of the day, we can share a brew and the sunset in peace. And when one of us needs a favor, the other one is there no questions asked.
    Now the question. He seems to live and thrive on self-righteous indignation and ,often, anger. He listens to Rush in the day and gets all fired up and then hunkers down to Fox in the evening, bile arising with every passing story. I get to watch the Daily Show with Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report . And in so doing get to unwind while lmao. Humor and laughter are important medicines. What i am saying is that i get to experience fun every day while he just stays mad. Is this what all conservatives do?

    • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 1:13:41 AM

      Neos, that not logic, that's rhetoric, or worse, bait. Do all liberal sit around being angry little social engineering militants? That's the stuff that sinks the boat, as you point out.

      • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 1:18:23 AM

        And MSNBC looks every bit as angry as Fox, to be fair. They are both pushing their party line agends

        • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 1:19:56 AM

          Frankly, its getting to the point that I don't want to watch any of them. Which is great for catching up on your reading.

          • Posted By: neos @ 10/21/2008 1:29:04 AM

            I just do the News hour with Jim Lehrer and the daily funnies.

            • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 1:35:00 AM

              I tend to sample them, just to take the temp. of things. I

              • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 1:44:13 AM

                I'm out of here. I left a comment on the Economist article a little while ago. Take a look.

        • Posted By: neos @ 10/21/2008 1:26:41 AM

          Agreed, after eight Keith and Rachel do the self-righteous bit as well. But where are the funny conservative shows?

          • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 1:32:42 AM

            It hink they went out of style with My Three Sons!

      • Posted By: neos @ 10/21/2008 1:23:36 AM

        A simple question. Sincerely not meant to be bait, but I appear to have caught an angry catphoti. sorry if you took offense.
        And personally, i don't do anger. Very non-productive.

        • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 1:28:32 AM

          No anger here. I think what happens is we tend to think in catagories. Its how we make since of the world. As a result, the flaming fringe tends to contaminate our view or feelings as to the nature of the sub-set we are looking at, like Repubs or Dems.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 4:00:08 PM

    The Economist magazine polled 683 professional economists and reported their findings. Of the respondents, 46% were Democrats, 10% Republicans and 44% Independents. The vast majority of them (over 80%) believed that Obama's economic plans will get us out of our current financial crisis. A similar majority believe that McCain's plans will make the economy worse.

    While you can say that all the Dems and all the Repubs may have essentially toed the party line in this survey, it does not account for the fact that essentially all of the Independent economists said that Obama's financial plans are better than McCains. And if they are a reflection of how Independents across America are thinking, then Obama is going to win. Also, it turns out that about a third of the Republican economists surveyed said that Obama's plans are better.

    That article is in an issue a couple weeks back, still available on-line at:

    http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127&CFID=24946653&CFTOKEN=58463805

    The Oct 11-17th issue of the Economist is titled "Saving the System: the Panic, the Rescues, and a Special Report on the World Economy." Worth reading. It will help you understand what is really going on. http://www.economist.com/printedition/index.cfm?d=20081011


    Two more articles of interest:

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/31/business/31view.php

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/10/27/081027taco_talk_coll

    • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 1:01:59 AM

      Talk about me pasting all over. Ha. Look, about the economist report, I'm not going to chase it all over the site, but you know if you take those "independents" and the statment of "academic bias" and who responds (validity and sampling issues), and break the independants out 4 to 1 like the base sample, you get right up to that 80%. Wow, what a surprise! Proof once again that in sadistics (sic), numbers sufficiently tortured will confess to anything.

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 10/20/2008 6:22:31 PM

    The Palin Plunge: Voters Sour On McCain VP Pick

    The more voters learn about Sarah Palin, the more wary they become. Once the focus of post-convention Republican euphoria, the Alaska Governor is now viewed as a serious liability to the McCain campaign.

    As it stands, Palin's polling numbers are daunting: with the unfolding economic crisis, her favorable to unfavorable ratings have switched from a positive 40-30, according to a September 12-16 New York Times survey, to a negative 32-41 in an October 10-13 survey.

    Palin is, additionally, costing McCain newspaper endorsements. Editor and Publisher calculated that as of Oct 18, Barack Obama led McCain 58-16 in the competition for the backing of newspapers. Many of the endorsements cited Palin as a factor in their rejection of McCain. The Salt Lake Tribune, which supported George W. Bush in 2004, commented that "out of nowhere, and without proper vetting, the impetuous McCain picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. She quickly proved grievously under-equipped to step into the presidency should McCain, at 72 and with a history of health problems, die in office. More than any single factor, McCain's bad judgment in choosing the inarticulate, insular and ethically challenged Palin disqualifies him for the presidency." The Kansas City Star, in turn, described Palin as "unqualified."

    link to entire article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/18/the-palin-plunge-voters-s_n_135857.html

    • Posted By: neos @ 10/20/2008 6:33:13 PM

      Are you sure that Sarah is still in the race? I mean, I haven't seen her on any of the major talk shows like Face the Nation or Meet the Press...

      • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 12:13:18 AM

        Yah, well until lately Biden's not exactly been front page news, for obvious reasons given yesterday's comment.

        • Posted By: neos @ 10/21/2008 12:24:36 AM

          Yeah, but he's been out there giving hundreds of interviews. Give anybody enough rope and they will hang themselves, including you and me. The problem is that Sarah is not trusted to go off script...

          • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 12:51:18 AM

            I do think not lettin her lose was a bad call, but since the media made it clear that they were going to try to make her the next Dan Quale, its not illogical. Turns out Biden is the one who can't spell, but given my own issues on that score I don't hold it as a qualification. What can you do with a language where you park in the drive way and drive on the park way. And then theres that famous spelling of "fish".

          • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 12:48:37 AM

            Or to be let lose among a biased press with an agenda and intent on character assasination. Look at the Times bit on Cindy, for example.

            By the way, did you ever look at that video with Obama talking about the loans? You have to wade through the Fox stuff, but its about 2/3 through the second link.

      • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 10/20/2008 10:15:17 PM

        Yeah... I see Obama let your special pal Biden out of his box for five minutes and what does he do? He makes a "mark my words" prediction that "we'll face an international crisis" within six months of Obama taking office!

        Wow. I'll bet Obama's doing a big-time jig over that one! LMAO!

      • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 7:24:34 PM

        Sarah isn't on the national stage anymore. They are keeping her for the backwoods rabble rousing.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/20/2008 7:58:07 PM

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/55_say_media_bias_bigger_problem_than_campaign_cash

    55% Say Media Bias Bigger Problem Than Campaign Cash

    http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2008/cyb20080819.asp

    Media Credibility Plummets, Just 30% Believe 'Most Trusted' CNN

    • Posted By: neos @ 10/20/2008 8:03:26 PM

      And yet CNN still ranks number 1 in credibility. If we keep villianizing the free press, maybe we can destroy it, and wouldn't that be swell...?

      And where does Fox rank? I didn't see that in yoiur post... an unintentional omission, I'm sure....

      • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/20/2008 9:12:47 PM

        24%. I think. No admission, that is the title of the article on the study.

        • Posted By: neos @ 10/20/2008 10:02:22 PM

          23% actually, but let's not quibble. Sad that the most trusted source, CNN, is only at 30%. Or maybe it's a good thing that we are mainly skeptics.... The biggest surprise for me was NPR at 27%. PBS wasn't listed but I expect they wouldn't fare well either . Strange I find pbs progressive but essentially honest. I put great stock in Jim Lehrer's integrity. Just my opinion. Well, I guess its C-span only from now on...

          • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/20/2008 11:54:54 PM

            Yah, personally, I think it is pretty deceptive to be out there shouting "the most trusted name in news" when they know its only 30%. But they are number one with 30%, so thats enought to protect them from a claim under the Lanham Act.

            So clarify for me, which of yesterdays did you like, the one on religion and the constitution, or the one on islamic allies?

            • Posted By: neos @ 10/21/2008 12:18:47 AM

              Both. But as for the allies one i wasn't speaking of allies but of the estimated 10,000 US servicemembers who are of the Islamic faith. I've served with several.

      • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 10/20/2008 8:57:30 PM

        Based on what study?

        • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 12:05:14 AM

          http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/55_say_media_bias_bigger_problem_than_campaign_cash

          55% Say Media Bias Bigger Problem Than Campaign Cash

          http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2008/cyb20080819.asp

          Media Credibility Plummets, Just 30% Believe 'Most Trusted' CNN

        • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/20/2008 11:59:22 PM

          The link is provided. If I remember it is the Pew Research study.

  • Posted By: krohn2 @ 10/21/2008 12:10:05 AM

    This is so true about how the election is already bought and paid for:
    http://www.againstobama.com/2008/10/what-is-it-that-barack-obama-knows-that-the-rest-of-us-don%E2%80%99t/#comment-1929

  • Posted By: quasqueton @ 10/20/2008 6:01:02 PM

    Gee, I didn't even know that Powell was in line for the Supreme Court, much less any other court.
    So, he is another Obama supporter, because he want's power, power. power! Same as Biden.

    • Posted By: PiaT @ 10/20/2008 11:34:35 PM

      Jealousy is so very unbecoming.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 10/20/2008 6:27:06 PM

      Funny that is the response of the McCain and his supporters whenever ANYONE endorses Obama or rather anyone who DOES NOT endorse McCain. Just Pathetic!

  • Posted By: neos @ 10/20/2008 10:44:38 PM

    He drew a circle that shut me out--
    Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.
    But Love and I had the wit to win:
    We drew a circle that took him in.

    -Edwin Markham, Outwitted

  • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 10/20/2008 10:19:25 PM

    So, Obama let's Biden out of his cage for five minutes and what does he do? He makes a dire, "mark my words" prediction that "we will face an international crisis" within six months of Obama taking office!

    Wow. I'll bet Obama's is dancing in the streets over that one!

    And you left-wing nuts make fun of Palin.... LMAO

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/20/2008 9:11:01 PM

    Nims: Funny how fast Newsweek took that article : AP IMPACT: Mortgage firm arranged stealth campaign, http://www.newsweek.com/id/164732 , came off the general table of contents for this site once they figured out that, instead of being a bit on those evil lobbiest, it in fact admitted that the Republicans were trying to regulate Freddie and Fannie in 2005 and were targeted by Freddie, and the no Democrats were targeted because they were all in the tank with Freddie and Fannie not to regulate them as a means of promoting the Community Reinvestment Act. I don???t think that article stayed up 24 hrs before they took it off the main screen.

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