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  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 4:24:05 PM

    The Economist magazine polled 683 professional economists and reported their findings. Of the respondents, 46% were Democrats, 10% Republicans and 44% Independents. The vast majority of them (over 80%) believed that Obama's economic plans will get us out of our current financial crisis. A similar majority believe that McCain's plans will make the economy worse.

    While you can say that all the Dems and all the Repubs may have essentially toed the party line in this survey, it does not account for the fact that essentially all of the Independent economists said that Obama's financial plans are better than McCains. And if they are a reflection of how Independents across America are thinking, then Obama is going to win. Also, it turns out that about a third of the Republican economists surveyed said that Obama's plans are better.

    That article is in an issue a couple weeks back, still available on-line at:

    http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127&CFID=24946653&CFTOKEN=58463805

    The Oct 11-17th issue of the Economist is titled "Saving the System: the Panic, the Rescues, and a Special Report on the World Economy." Worth reading. It will help you understand what is really going on. http://www.economist.com/printedition/index.cfm?d=20081011


    Two more articles of interest:

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/31/business/31view.php

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/10/27/081027taco_talk_coll

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 4:22:02 PM

    I would like to discuss the utter failure of abstinence-based sex education for teens, which Sarah Palin advocates. In Texas, 95% of the public schools have had abstinence ONLY sex ed for the past eight years (Bush gave Federal funding for this). The Texas teen pregnancy rate is now the highest in the nation at over 10% (101 pregnancies per 1,000 teen girls), up from 4% eight years ago when they used to teach about birth control and STDs as well as abstinence. It looks like that isn't working.

  • Posted By: HLPone @ 10/20/2008 3:34:53 PM

    I think the reason John McCain can't bring up Rev. Wright is that would then force the media to take a good look at the pastors he has associated with and they'll also take a good look at Sarah Palin's church affiliations which could be an even bigger problem.Also people might look at the Alaska Independence Party that want to secede from the United States. When Sarah Plain spoke at their convention in 2006, she said she shared their views......a big problem They don't want to open that box.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 4:20:32 PM

      You are right about this HLPone. I think that it shows great restraint on the part of Obama's team not to attack Palin about her ethics violations, inadequate interviews, lack of knowledge on national and international issues, affiliation with the anti-American Alaska Independent Party, her radical church that believes Armageddon is here and prays to ferret out witches in the community, her trying to ban books at the public library, etc. etc.

      Even though these negative things are true about Palin, Obama won't bring them up. He knows this election is about the serious issues: jobs, the economy, health care, strengthening the middle class, and America's future as a world power.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 4:04:58 PM

    William F. Buckley's son, Christopher Buckley, who is a conservative Republican like his Dad, is supporting Barack Obama for President.

    Christopher Buckley was forced to resign from the right wing National Review over this endorsement. Chris has written a conservative column for years at the National Review, the journal his father founded. Chris has been a poster boy for the Republican party ever since his father, in a 1985 speech to Ronald Reagan, said that his son Christopher lived in a world of freedom thanks to the fact that the USA had not been afraid to use nuclear bombs in Japan and so end WWII.

    Twenty three years later, many prominent Republicans, including Christopher Buckley, Kathleen Parker, Susan Eisenhower and Colin Powell have come out in support of Barack Obama. Their primary reason for doing so is that they feel that Obama is the better candidate. But just as importantly, they are concerned by the growing tendency of the GOP to incite the masses based on false charges of terrorism, Muslim roots, etc. These lies feed a dark form of social unrest that is very destructive for America. (Look what it did in Nazi Germany.) They also all pointed to the inadequate choice of Sarah Palin as John's VP. These are prominent right wing Republicans speaking, not liberal Democrats.

    And while I am not prominent, I too am a Republican who is voting for Obama.

    Christopher Buckley's article about why he decided to support Obama:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-14/sorry-dad-i-was-fired

  • Posted By: LVUONG @ 10/20/2008 3:05:00 PM

    No need, we people all are aware of Rev. Wright's anti-white American rehotric, and preaching of hatred, of the worst kind.

  • Posted By: writer8856 @ 10/19/2008 3:22:41 AM

    John McCain is just a shell of his former political self. He truly was a different man 10 years ago--much more moderate, even liberal on certain issues like Roe v. Wade and tax cuts for the upper class...enough to be seriously courted by Ted Kennedy (a good friend at the time) and other Democrats to switch parties. He was that much in line with the Democratic platform and that outspoken against the Republican agenda. A lot of people believe his involvement in the Keating 5 literally transformed him into wanting to be a serious politician who made a difference.

    What's tragic is what his ambition to be president has done to him. His decision to "get into bed" with the very same people who were so vicious and damaging to him and his family in 2000 has, I think, sent him down a road where he's consciously sacrificed almost every ideal he used to hold so strongly. I mean, at one time, this guy seriously, seriously disliked Bush. Maybe he's thinking the end justifies the means...that, once he got in the White House, he'd be able to go back to who he once was. Not likely. The Rove/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld faction of the Republican party is not about to just step back when asked to do so. These guys openly state that government is best taken out of the hands of the public and the politicians and put into the hands of the corporations.

    Nonetheless, I'm hoping that what remains of McCain's sensibilities tells him to disregard his top advisors on this and leave the Wright issue alone. Maybe that's his moral "line in the sand". Or maybe it's the fact that he has his own, potentially equally devastating pastor issues to worry--his publicized history of a close relationship with Rod Parsley who believes the United States was formed to destroy Islam plus a relationship with Jerry Hagee who believes Katrina was sent by God to destroy New Orleans because of an upcoming gay rights parade. He referred to both of these men as his "spiritual advisors" and then, when he saw the Republican nomination was possible, promptly distanced himself when their views were made public. Or maybe it's just that McCain is first and foremost a politician. Whether he wins or not, he still has to work with the Democrats if he wants to be effective and Wright might put that to the ultimate test.

    Whatever the reason, i hope he sticks to his decision. This election has been devastating and has seriously divided the country--some of the blogs are nothing but raging insults and name calling back and forth. The fact remains that we are in some seriously deep trouble on just about every front and, starting on November 5, we have to be able to find some sort of unity again. Putting the Wright thing back in the news would make that damn near impossible.

    • Posted By: SamMcGowan @ 10/19/2008 10:43:37 PM

      I beg to differ on the assertion that this election has been so terrible. It's not nearly as bad as 2004 when John Kerry's Vietnam record was so badly smeared. Nothing has happened in this campaign remotely close to that.

      • Posted By: epryor @ 10/20/2008 3:02:23 PM

        You don't think that Palin accusing Barack Hussain Obama of "pallin around with terrorists" is bad? He is a US senator and collegue and they are basically accusing him of consorting with the enemy (treason). People at his rallies are saying "kill him" and "off with his head" and outright making racial slurs. This has been a terribly polarizing campain. I feel sorry for him and his family, especially if he wins the election. There will be persons who think they are being led by a terrorist. There ARE limits to free speech.

  • Posted By: caboc @ 10/20/2008 3:00:58 PM

    Also, McCain then might have to explain Sarah and Todd Palin's associations with the Alaskan Independence Party. The party that wants Alaska to secede from America and create its own country. Pretty patriotic of his Veep and husband, don't you think?

  • Posted By: caboc @ 10/20/2008 2:58:11 PM

    Also, McCain then might have to explain Sarah and Todd Palin's associations with the Alaskan Independence Party. The party that wants Alaska to secede from America and create its own country. Pretty patriotic of his Veep and husband, don't you think?

  • Posted By: chucky70 @ 10/20/2008 2:30:25 PM

    America is not perfact and will never be. I love America but on many fronts america has been terrible, even to Americans. God is not proud of everything America does and anyone who thinks He is, is not rational or observant. Let past associations alone. Both McCain and Obama are good men. what we need is someone to abandon the failed policiews of the past and McCain is not the one, nor are the Republicans, obviously.

  • Posted By: Young Hickory @ 10/20/2008 1:42:52 PM

    When people criticize Rev. Wright they merely show themselves as unwashed heathens who are ignorant of the biblical context within which Reverend Wright was speaking. Wright was speaking in the tradition of the Old Testament prophets who exorted Israel to repent of its wicked ways. He was saying that God condemns (or damns) Americas injust acts. If anyone on the right believes America is perfect and not one nation underneath God but perfect and above god then that is idolatry and nation worship which God condemns. Besides, if America is so perfect then why do we hear constant rhetoric from the right that we have forgotten or Christian roots? It seems as if they speaketh with a forked tongue.

  • Posted By: wtfcherry @ 10/20/2008 10:46:16 AM

    To bring Rev. Wright up again is irrelevant. This is just another attempt for the GOP to try to discredit Obama. I still hold to the fact that Rev. Wright's comments were taken way out of context. I know and the rest of America knows that our country has a terrible history with its mistreatment of Blacks. I don't think Rev. Wright was cursing America. As a matter of fact, I know he wasn't. It could be that we (Americans), we so called christians are very hypocritical.....We preach one thing and then do the opposite....I believe he was implying that God is not pleased with us with the way we live....so you have to wonder why do bad things happen to good people....God will only allow us to go so far in our wrong before His wrath comes down upon us...Bible scholars/preachers/bishops or whatever should know this....I'm surprised more of them didn't come to Rev. Wrights defense......Somebody like Rev. Wright , who no doubt experienced segregation knows what it is to experience such a horrible time in America's history....So we need to be reminded so that we don't forget where we come from. and to also show main stream America, in particular the news (Fox) plant the seed of hatred in people....you know - to make you doubt Obama mainly because he's Black....they want say it but it's true.....but Black people are not the ones bombing and blowing up America....I know he's not a racist....Rev. Wright did not come up until Barack began to take lead during the primaries.......God is not pleased with us and we need to stop discriminating against people because of their race.....The bible says If the people who are called by my name would humble themselves and pray, seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will hear from heaven i'll forgive their sins and heal their land.............That's what the good Rev. Wright was saying......

  • Posted By: cely99 @ 10/20/2008 10:37:40 AM

    Sorry McCain you don't have freedom of speech or else you will be condemned as a racist. Sorry also that the media is one sided favoring your opponent.

  • Posted By: jcarob @ 10/20/2008 10:04:12 AM

    The voters know enough about Obama and McCain to make an informed decision. Let Wright slip away quietly in the night and be forgotten. I will be voting for McCain/Palin. You vote for whomever you like. After November 4, let's get on with it. The American psyche is damaged and needs some fixin'.

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/20/2008 8:56:46 AM

    Nowforthetruth

    We have seen the RNC has taken so many statements out of context that it is RIDICULOUS at this point to take a youtube clip seriously.

  • Posted By: karela @ 10/20/2008 6:33:35 AM

    Maybe McCain is staying away from Rev. Wright because McCain's mother's family name is also Wright and were Mississippi slave owners. Slaves were given the owner's last name. There is already the well known black McCain family from McCain's father's family's slaves. Jeremiah Wright is descended from slaves and he's still angry about it. It would be unbearably ironic if the slave masters responsible for Rev. Wright's anger were the same slave owners who founded both sides of John McCain's family. I don't think Roberta McCain would welcome the notoriety if that proved to be the case.

  • Posted By: SamMcGowan @ 10/19/2008 10:37:16 PM

    McCain is better off to leave the Wright issue alone. It has already been beaten to death. As it is, he is already within 3% in the polls among likely voters. He needs to keep pounding on Obama as "Senator Government."

  • Posted By: techresmgt @ 10/19/2008 10:44:15 AM

    'Group think' and unsubstantiated exuberance is driving this election. God help us all.

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/19/2008 3:25:16 AM

    Rev Wright is obviously a person who has experience first hand racial prejudice especially during the time he served in the military. We have seen the RNC has taken so many statements out of context that it is RIDICULOUS at this point to take a youtube clip seriously. Since this Wright issue surfaced I started going beyond the youtube clip to read transcripts his speeches. If you read the transcipts of his speeches he is trying for the most part to increase African American pride. He doesn't insult other religions and as far as Farakan is concerned, he awarded him for something he DID not his views. I would not find it stretch that Wright tried to see the only good in him in the fact that Farakan also wants African Americans to be proud of themselves, but he insults other religions. However, if we want to be fair, we are not exactly praising Muslims are we? More on Rev Wright...

    In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy's challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines.

    In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)

    The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy's premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief's medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation.

    What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.

    You notice that the youtube clip cuts Wright off as soon as the says America, not matter which version you see. Not that it is any better but he said 'not *** bless America, *** D*** Amerca for turnig its back on its citizens'. The youtube clip make him appear unpatriotic.

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 10/19/2008 2:55:58 AM

    Here we go judging Rev Wright while we know so little about him. . Here is Rev Wright Mr Unpatriotic to some...

    While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.

    Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?

    After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of America's biggest cities.

    This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, who has been in the news for comments he made over the last three decades.

    Since these comments became public we have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him.

    We've seen on television, in a seemingly endless loop, sound bites of a select few of Rev. Wright's many sermons.

    Some of the Wright's comments are inexcusable and inappropriate and should be condemned, but in calling him "unpatriotic," let us not forget that this is a man who gave up six of the most productive years of his life to serve his country.

    How many of Wright's detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many.

    While words do count, so do actions.

    Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,92000.story

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