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Just Saying No to Abstinence Ed

Its biggest champion is leaving the White House. And, oh yeah, no one knows whether it works.

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  • Posted By: RhumanIaffectionP @ 04/18/2009 8:57:10 PM

    It shouldn't be about waiting until Marriage, but when a person is in a stable, solid, long-term relationship, one with the characteristics "marriage" claims.
    My health book applauds abstinence, and I despise it, because the very teens who are at risk for STD's and pregnancies are not going to stop. "Not having sex is the only effective way to prevent STD's" (there's still other ways to contract them, such as HIV from blood). Adults assume teenagers and children all have the same mentality, that applying a rule to all will improve things when the few fools making these mistakes do not learn. I'm glad the teaching of contraceptives is used, but another positive is to explain the process of fertilization, ovulation, and myths about avoiding pregnancy. Encourage them to have their partner tested, being honest about their previous sex partners, if any, and learning about symptoms of sexually transmitted diseases.

    And paul.bill66, seriously? You're just instilling paranoia 1). Not ALL boys carry that ideology, and there are girls who want sex, too (such as I). 2). Octomom was artificially fertilized. .

    Sex is pleasurable to us, too. When will you realize that your child is not everyone else's?

  • Posted By: paul.bill66 @ 03/04/2009 4:49:17 PM

    Boys and girls are brought up differently. Boys are competitive. Girls are passive and social. For boys life is like one big ball game. The object is to score as many points as possible in a short period of time. Therefore, it is a boys natural upbringing to try and score with the ladies. Girls, if they were brought up properly, are taught to say "NO!" Girls are responsible for remaining a virgin until marriage hopefully at a ripe age of 40. Failing to uphold this vital rule will result in unwanted pregnancies, STD's, shame, humiliation and in exteme cases octomom. You don't want that do you ladies. Do you want to be like Octomom? A house full of children with no plan for the future. No plan to care and raise them. I think you ladies are worth a lot more than that. The best way to avoid this scenario is to just say NO!

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  • Posted By: onwisconsin66 @ 10/28/2008 11:41:37 AM

    I've taught kids for over 20 years. In this time, I've taught in the south and in the north, in places such as Texas and Alaska. As much as we would like for them to wait, some kids will have sex. Why? There are a multitude of reasons I could list but I'll give you the top four I've heard over and over: 1) I wanted to feel loved. 2) He/She said he/she loved me and we'd always be together. 3) Everyone does it. and 4) I was drunk/high and it just happened.
    Kids need attention from parents and too many parents aren't mature enough to understand what that means as their child grows up. They respond by being too loose or way too strict. Their children do not feel loved and cared for, with appropriate boundaries, and so they come seeking this from the teachers they begin to see as parent substitutes at school. And honestly, I don't mind raising some of your kids. I've raised a lot of kids. I love kids. But if you would just simply take your head out for just a little while you would begin to see past your own wants and needs and see this kid you brought into this world. He/She needs your loving guidance. At school, I can talk about whatever the curriculum allows me to talk about when it comes to reproduction and contraception. I can also very carefully talk about general human values. I won't overstep my bounds into religious or moral instruction for your child because that's your job. But please do your job.
    And quit electing people who want to muzzle me doing my job. All I want to do is give your child and other children like him/her enough information to save his/her own life. What in the heck is wrong with that?
    Condoms save lives. STDs happen to good people. Nothing is 100% effective but I'll tell you that no information at all is 100% deadly!

  • Posted By: ljmorefield @ 10/25/2008 4:49:45 PM

    There's nothing wrong with abstinence education...it's perfectly fine for kids to choose to delay their involvement with sexual activity until marriage. It's the "only" part of the equation that doesn't work. Supporting abstinence as the only tool for a "healthy" life is like giving someone a hammer and asking him to build a house without using a saw. We need all the tools in the tool box.

    • Posted By: ShaunaM @ 10/26/2008 9:47:54 PM

      I think most abstinence educators would agree with you. Teaching only abstinence does not reach all teens. I believe abstinence focused may be a better term. We teach abstinence as the expected and hoped for behavior, but we need to address the fact that not all teens will choose this lifestyle. However they need to know that sex is risky and condoms are not 100% effective. Handing them a condom and teaching them how to use it, doesn't help in the arena of prevention either. It gives the student or teen the thumbs up and says "here's how to do - go for it." But condoms were created to prevent pregnancy not STD's. Condoms are not 100% in preventing pregnancy and they are certainly not 100% in preventing STD's. They prevent some STD's and for some they are ineffective. I understand your comment about having all the tools in the toolbox, and I somewhat agree. If a teen insist that they will be sexually active you help them be as safe as possible. But we should never hand a teen a condom and give them false assurance that using a condom equals having "Safe sex." We should tell them what will prevent them 100% of the time - that is abstinence until marriage and then being committed to a lifetime monogamous relationship. We should encourage this behavior and secondly share what if they aren't abstinent. We should tell them all the facts about STD's - not as scare tactics but as good information. A month or so ago I had a young lady in my office. She was a teen mom and very sexually active. She has two incurable STD's - one was high risk HPV. She is now married with several children. She stated, ???I wish someone had told me. I wish I had known.??? You see, it wasn't about safe sex for her. A condom would not have prevented HPV - It is spread skin to skin contact and a condom does not cover all the genital areas. Being uneducated about sex and believing a condom would protect her - failed her. Education is key. Teach abstinence and STD prevention - focus on those two and then teach what prevents some STD's and pregnancy, but don't give students and young people false hope by saying just use a condom. Teach about healthy relationships, teach refusal skills, teach them the truth about human growth and development (at age appropriate times), teach the truth about STD???s and pregnancy. Teach abstinence, teach safety, teach how setting goals and meeting goals is important, teach character. Give teens some credit. Some are choosing to abstain ??? I applaud them. They are making healthy choices.

  • Posted By: ShaunaM @ 10/24/2008 9:36:46 PM

    Abstinence is not just a religious platform. Abstinence is protection from unwanted pregnancy, STD's emotional problems and so much more. I work in reproductive health, at a charity clinic, and I am a former Health teacher for high school students. Some students take heed to the cautionary points. Some desire to pursue life time goals and pursuits. Some boys (young men) think ahead about their future spouse and understand that there is no test for HPV for men. Meaning that they could carry this STD into a marriage without knowing it, and this very disease could kill their wife. You might say but now we have gardasil. Yes thankfully we do. But there are over 30 types of genital HPV and only four types are covered in this vaccination. Teen pregnancy is a reality that does crush dreams and it puts life pursuits on hold for many young women, and abortion is not the answer. You can sit in my office and talk to women dealing with guilt or shame about previous abortions. Their pregnancy was never forgotten, and they struggle with their decision to this day. I am an abstinence education supporter. I understand not all teens will listen or heed the message but at least they would have heard the only 100% effective way to avoid STD's and unwanted pregnancy. I would also like to comment on someone's declaration that unmarried sex can't hurt responsible, consenting adults. Sadly you are mistaken. Consenting responsible adults are affected when they engage in risky sexual relationships. Some have long lasting consequences. Even contraception (barrier methods) and birth control do not protect all responsible adults. Sex is risky. Today more than ever before. HPV kills as many women every year as HIV. Sterility due to STD's is a problem for many women. Herpes is being spread rapidly. Many of these STD's are spread when using a condom or barrier method. There are many reasons to tell teens to wait. May I also state that Separation of Church and State is to protect people - so that they can worship as they desire. To use this argument with the abstinence message is a cop out. Abstinence is not just a religious issue - it is however a moral issue and a health issue. Since when does our government not allow us to teach healthy lifestyles? Isn't that why we have a Department of Public Health and Human Services. The FDA is there to help regulate medicine to protect our health. Abstinence education is promoting a healthy lifestyle. Encouraging teens to wait is sending a health message. I taught abstinence in my classroom as a teacher. It was not a religious platform but rather an encouragement for teens to think about health goals and how decisions we make can affect our life long health. Federal funds should be allotted for abstinence education under Health agencies that will share with teens how their health can be affected. If we desire as a nation to promote healthy lifestyles we will be remiss if we leave out abstinence.

    • Posted By: Morisot @ 10/25/2008 4:40:16 PM

      Comment for ShaunaM: Thank you for your comprehensive and personal account on this issue. I applaud the time and thoughtfulness that you gave to your response, to inform all of us reading this article and discussion responses. I work in a high school and appreciate the fact that our health teacher also educates students on abstinence. I think presenting two philosophies is informative, essential, and responsable. Ultimately, the student/adult is going to make the decision and I believe as responsable adults we owe our children the opportunity to be informed/educated of all choices regardless if the church supports abstinence education, it's not about "biblical interpretations", it's about providing a comprehensive education that encompasses all philosophies that have shown evidence and consequently, I was able to find some supportive evidence for abstinence education from the Heritage Foundation from January and February of 2008. I think it's a rather small study, but I think it's worth examining.

  • Posted By: paigelynn216 @ 10/24/2008 8:38:57 PM

    I am currently a young woman in her sophomore year of college and am still a virgin. Although I sometimes get awkward looks from people who find this out upon meeting me, especially fellow students at my university, I happily remind them that there are many reasons being abstinent is a good decision. Besides sex going against my Christian religion, that facts are far and wide: over 50% divorice rate (that could possibly be due to not only pre-marital sex but living together before marriage), the high rates of STDs, and unplanned pregnancy. Of course the reason that abstinence education is not going to "get the job done" is directly related to the media's portrayal of sexuality that seems to be geared more and more towards young Americans. Television shows and movies such as "Grey's Antatomy", "Sex and the City" and "Juno" seem to make sex just a casual thing. If the nation is so concerned with educationg the youth about sex they should display consequences rather than pleasure as a result of sexual intercourse through media. I think that the former Miss Texas, April Ford was very correct in her observation of mainstream culture when she said that "You're going up against a lot of pop culture telling you sex is soemthing you can throw away."

    • Posted By: Morisot @ 10/25/2008 4:09:39 PM

      Comment: for PaigeLynn, thank you so much for your honesty and courage to post a comment on this site and for your commitment to remain sexually pure. I hope many girls and women will be encouraged by your testimony.

  • Posted By: MChieco @ 10/25/2008 3:03:54 PM

    Here in the east , we dont seem to have the problems of sexual diseases , unwanted pregnancies, guilt over whether or not to have an abortion, because rarely do the teenagers get pregnant. We have this radical program we subscribe to, perhaps you have heard of it, when our sons turn 15 , we teach them what a condom is.

  • Posted By: MetalXSlug @ 10/25/2008 11:56:42 AM

    Looking at the regions of America that attempt to use abstinence only programs you see the highest rates of teenage pregnancies, STD's and dropout rates. The truth is the religious right in America do not understand human sexuality or the modern world yet they still want to intrude upon our lives by forcing their biblical interpretations on everyone. If you want to lower teenage pregnancies and STD rates you will support comprehensive sex education. This is the real world not some 1950's fantasy where a woman is judged to be pure and acceptable in society by her virginity. Abstinence programs fail America, end of story.

  • Posted By: forte88 @ 10/21/2008 12:19:35 PM

    There is no way in hell I would ever consider marrying a virgin. First of all, I always try on a pair of shoes before I buy them. Secondly, sexual compatability is very important for a successful marriage. I truly believe that couples should know each other inside and out before pulling the trigger on marriage. Finding out after the fact that there are sexual preference differances would seriously be detrimental to a happy marriage. Additionally, after finally having sex, and discovering it's pleasures, there would always be that curiosity of what sex would have been like with other partners which I think could lead to infidelity. Waiting for marriage is a bad idea. Being educated about sex, and disease prevention is the key.

    What gets me about western culture how sex is so frowned upon, yet violence is glorified. Any given Sunday a fight might break out during an NFL Football game, and it's showed over and over again in slow motion, and people eat it up. Flash a nipple pasty during the superbowl and the world is coming to an end.

    • Posted By: ShaunaM @ 10/24/2008 9:52:07 PM

      Sexual compatibility can change over time. Committment says I love you I am committed for a life time. Just to let you know the sexual compatibility comment, will not insure a happy marriage or even a sexually satisfying marriage. Marriage is built on alot more than sex. Yes, it is important in a marriage, but it does not ensure a happy or satisfying one. Trying on a pair of shoes - Wow - that almost seems insulting. If you love someone - you can work to make it good. Haven't you ever heard that practice makes perfect.

    • Posted By: GoSarah @ 10/22/2008 11:19:05 AM

      You aren't talking about buying choes...you are talking about another human being. So, you're gonna try on that human and if she/he doesn't "fit" toss aside. Great. That is so much of what is wrong in this world. Disposable people.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/22/2008 2:04:58 PM

        And your method may be why we have the divorce rate we have.

      • Posted By: forte88 @ 10/22/2008 1:36:11 PM

        Nope, I wouldn't toss them aside, just put them back on the shelf for someone else who might enjoy them.

  • Posted By: ShaunaM @ 10/24/2008 9:33:26 PM

    Abstinence is not just a religious platform. Abstinence is protection from unwanted pregnancy, STD's emotional problems and so much more. I work in reproductive health, at a charity clinic, and I am a former Health teacher for high school students. Some students take heed to the cautionary points. Some desire to pursue life time goals and pursuits. Some boys (young men) think ahead about their future spouse and understand that there is no test for HPV for men. Meaning that they could carry this STD into a marriage without knowing it, and this very disease could kill their wife. You might say but now we have gardasil. Yes thankfully we do. But there are over 30 types of genital HPV and only four types are covered in this vaccination. Teen pregnancy is a reality that does crush dreams and it puts life pursuits on hold for many young women, and abortion is not the answer. You can sit in my office and talk to women dealing with guilt or shame about previous abortions. Their pregnancy was never forgotten, and they struggle with their decision to this day. I am an abstinence education supporter. I understand not all teens will listen or heed the message but at least they would have heard the only 100% effective way to avoid STD's and unwanted pregnancy. I would also like to comment on someone's declaration that unmarried sex can't hurt responsible, consenting adults. Sadly you are mistaken. Consenting responsible adults are affected when they engage in risky sexual relationships. Some have long lasting consequences. Even contraception (barrier methods) and birth control do not protect all responsible adults. Sex is risky. Today more than ever before. HPV kills as many women every year as HIV. Sterility due to STD's is a problem for many women. Herpes is being spread rapidly. Many of these STD's are spread when using a condom or barrier method. There are many reasons to tell teens to wait. May I also state that Separation of Church and State is to protect people - so that they can worship as they desire. To use this argument with the abstinence message is a cop out. Abstinence is not just a religious issue - it is however a moral issue and a health issue. Since when does our government not allow us to teach healthy lifestyles? Isn't that why we have a Department of Public Health and Human Services. The FDA is there to help regulate medicine to protect our health. Abstinence education is promoting a healthy lifestyle. Encouraging teens to wait is sending a health message. I taught abstinence in my classroom as a teacher. It was not a religious platform but rather an encouragement for teens to think about health goals and how decisions we make can affect our life long health. Federal funds should be allotted for abstinence education under Health agencies that will share with teens how their health can be affected. If we desire as a nation to promote healthy lifestyles we will be remiss if we leave out abstinence.

  • Posted By: fann7764 @ 10/24/2008 5:58:55 PM

    Could we not have had a photo of young girl lolling on the bed, giving us a good look down her shirt, for this article?

  • Posted By: kml7 @ 10/24/2008 4:26:16 PM

    MarkStevenZuelke, I fail to see how abstinance is a "certain unbreachable rule [of] life"....The idea that premarital sexual activity is wrong is a purely religious belief, and when it occurs between two responsible, consenting adults, does not hurt anyone. Now, being that one of the constitution's sole tenets is "separation of church and state", can you think of a (TRULY) good reason for federal funds to go to abstinence ed?

    Furthermore, when you say "[premarital sex] is why the age of matrimony has steadily climbed. Premarital sex has been normalized, so why get married? ", are you suggesting that being able to have sex was a reason people used to get married?? I almost can't think of a worse reason to marry someone; furthermore, if you actually do a little research, (a foreign idea, I know) you would see that the reasons for getting married later are more along the lines of Americans recieving a higher level of education, and women joining the workforce (instead of being just babymakers). Finally, what is wrong with Americans marrying at an older age anyway? If anything, they are more likely to know themselves AND have a better idea of who they are and are not compatible with, in addition to being more financially stable and thus better-able to provide for children.

  • Posted By: Mark Steven Zuelke @ 10/21/2008 1:00:06 PM

    With the exception of conservative Christians and other similar groups, in the past three decades our culture has promoted sex like never before. Don't worry about evidence for this because it is literally everywhere, we are awash in sexual exploitation, pornography and media that swiftly has turned south.
    This is why the age of matrimony has steadily climbed. Premarital sex has been normalized, so why get married? If the tools of the culture are in support of abstinennce, then it will become the norm and we will see a reduction and realignment in the activity of children.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/21/2008 1:27:45 PM

      Keep dreaming. Unplanned babies have ALWAYS been a fact of life in America. We used to just lock the mothers up in "homes for wayward girls"...which didn't slow the problem down a bit.

      • Posted By: Mark Steven Zuelke @ 10/21/2008 1:46:18 PM

        True. Crime has also been a central problem in societies for eons, but we still have laws and those who enforce them. We haven't given up on punishing wrong-doers. We used to lock up criminals and we still do. Hasn't slowed the problem down a bit, has it? We should fully support abstinence because it is just as essential to culture's survival as crime-fighting.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/21/2008 5:14:17 PM

          "We should fully support abstinence because it is just as essential to culture's survival as crime-fighting."

          HAR! People have been screwing since the dawn of time, with or without marriage, and yet here we are.

          • Posted By: Mark Steven Zuelke @ 10/21/2008 6:10:04 PM

            True, again. But, you miss the point. Our culture is not neolithic, animalistic or otherwise primitive. We need cultural institutions like marriage to contain the building blocks of the next generation. It's either marriage or state control of our future generations. Like anything else, both have their inherent weaknesses, but marriage is the only proven way. The state can make up rules, like not letting certain genders be born, or not allowing certain races to breed, etc. Random. Marriage is well defined and it work's best.

            • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/22/2008 10:04:07 AM

              And yet single parents are all over the place, and doing just fine in many cases.

              Also, the success rate of "abstinence only" seems to be less than that of condoms, according to the CDC.

              • Posted By: sheltond @ 10/22/2008 6:15:25 PM

                "And yest single parents are all over the place, and doing just fine in many cases."

                No...there are not single parents all over the place doing fine. The majority of the population in poverty is made up of single parent families. I work for a marriage program--single parent families deal with difficult issues...don't cheapen it. Read some stats on single parent families...

                • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/23/2008 10:13:25 AM

                  "No...there are not single parents all over the place doing fine. "

                  None? Are you sure about that?

                  • Posted By: sheltond @ 10/23/2008 11:43:58 AM

                    Reread the post. Never did I say "none."

                    Of course there are single parent families who do fine. But saying, "all over the place" indicates a plethora. You can't make the struggle of the majority go away by pointing out that there are people spread about who don't.

                    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/23/2008 3:46:06 PM

                      Did I say "plethora"?

        • Posted By: forte88 @ 10/21/2008 1:52:11 PM

          Oh right, just ask any sexually abused Catholic altar boy. Abstinence has worked so well for priests.

          • Posted By: Mark Steven Zuelke @ 10/21/2008 1:59:09 PM

            Oh right, just ask any rape victim. Crime fighting has worked so well for violent men.

            • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/21/2008 5:13:27 PM

              Okay...now all unplanned pregnancies are a result of rape?

              • Posted By: Mark Steven Zuelke @ 10/22/2008 3:26:44 PM

                Because abstinence is not always successful doesn't mean it should be abandoned. A parallel, an illustration, a similar argument, is the fact that laws are not always successful in preventing crime but should not be abandoned either.

                • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/23/2008 10:14:31 AM

                  Nonsense. You compared unplanned pregnancies to crime. That's not an analogy, it's a smear.

                • Posted By: BernardSG @ 10/23/2008 2:46:41 AM

                  The problem is not that abstinence sex-ed doesn't always work, it's that it doesn't work at all....

            • Posted By: forte88 @ 10/21/2008 2:04:06 PM

              A sexaully abused altar boy isn't a rape victim?

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/21/2008 5:12:31 PM

          So wait.

          Unplanned pregnancies are crimes?

          Has anyone arrested Bristol Palin, yet?

  • Posted By: Against-Ignorance @ 10/19/2008 4:14:09 AM

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6927733.stm
    An article from the BBC detailing an extensive Oxford University study showing that Abstinence Ed. is complete and utter nonsense. It is utterly contemptible that we have permitted in this country something that is nothing more than Fundamentalist "Christian" propaganda funded by the state.

    • Posted By: whatdoyouthink @ 10/20/2008 6:54:12 AM

      So it's only the Christians who think children should wait until they are married or at least be physically, mentally and financially enough to deal with the consequences of having sex. Comprehensive sex ed is offered up every day in the media, and in such a healthy light.
      Read, Blood Money-Getting Rich From a Woman's Right to Choose, by Carole Everett, and find out how Planned Parenthood really operates.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/20/2008 4:48:35 PM

        "So it's only the Christians who think children should wait until they are married or at least be physically, mentally and financially enough to deal with the consequences of having sex. "

        Yeah, the rest of us are smart enough to avoid those consequences.

        • Posted By: mcdeere72 @ 10/23/2008 2:15:43 PM

          Yes, LOL only the Christians get pregnant right? LOL Standing for something that you feel strongly about takes more courage than giving in. Just saying: "well they're going to do it anyway so why don't we just adjust to that idea and teach from that point of view?' is a weak as it teaches the kids that this is acceptable behavior. As parents we have the right to tech our children what we feel is right and I plan to go against what public education might tell them according to this article.

  • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/20/2008 4:50:19 PM

    Look, those of you who don't want anything more than abstinence only, that's great. However, the rest of us live in the real world, and we'd prefer not to have teenagers getting pregnant because you pushed your religious beliefs on us.

    As far as abstinence only working? Two words: Bristol Palin.

    • Posted By: mcdeere72 @ 10/23/2008 1:56:25 PM

      And condoms work right?

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 7:11:09 PM

    The government South Africa has pretended that HIV does not exist, and has refused to test it's people for the virus. Independent health organizations who do test people in S. Africa estimate that at least 25% of the population is infected. Thousands of people in S. Africa die from AIDS every month. Yet the official policy of the government is that HIV does not exist. Obviously, there people are operating in an intentional fantasy world.

    Young teenagers are having sex in communities all across America. Rich or poor, black or white, from good homes and broken homes, teens are experimenting with sex. For us to close our eyes to that fact is idiotic. And to think that telling some kid about the virtues of abstinence will stop them from consumating when their hormones are raging is beyond naive.

    As a doctor, I stopped being shocked when 13 year old girls came in pregnant. It happens all too often. And it happens because the children are ignorant about their bodies and hungry for love. Maybe the schools can't provide love, but they certainly exist to provide knowledge. Not teaching about birth control and STDs is sticking our head in the sand, like the government of S. Africa. Yes, we should teach abstinence too, and teach it for what it is: not some religious edict, but a way of establishing emotional ties with a partner before moving into intimacy. These kids want love, we need to talk to them about how to really find it. If we don't, we are failing them as parents and teachers.

    • Posted By: mcdeere72 @ 10/21/2008 8:49:09 AM

      "For us to close our eyes to that fact is idiotic. And to think that telling some kid about the virtues of abstinence will stop them from consumating when their hormones are raging is beyond naive."

      I do plan to teach my two girls that abstinence is the correct way to handle sex, until they are married. I will teach them this as it prevents the heartache and heartbreak that many youth experience when they use this ability and end up pregnant. The ability to reproduce is a sacred one and unless you are man/woman enough to deal with the results of it you should be experimenting with it. I'm not going to tell them this is a bad thing just something that when the time is right is wonderful and can bring alot of joy into thier life. It can also be on the other side also, meaning, it can bring heartache and sadness also. This isn't even touching the consequences for the child brought into the world without a stable enviornment.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/21/2008 5:16:44 PM

        "I do plan to teach my two girls that abstinence is the correct way to handle sex, until they are married. I will teach them this as it prevents the heartache and heartbreak that many youth experience when they use this ability and end up pregnant. "

        Good luck with that. It worked so well for Bristol Palin, right? Oh, and the funniest part is, STD has spread FASTER among the so-called "pledgers" than among kids who admit to having sex.

        • Posted By: mcdeere72 @ 10/23/2008 1:55:32 PM

          That's the best part about this, I make a choice of what I think is best for my children until they have the ability to chose! I just educate them of the issues that could pop up based on choices they make. So, on the "good luck" I hope I teach them right and they make good choices, but what they do doesn't change my feelings for them or what I think is right or wrong.

          By taking this approach we as parents are saying "this is too hard, let's just not teach it this way so that we can make our lives easier...

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/20/2008 8:00:14 PM

      Hats off to you, Nins.

  • Posted By: EllDee @ 10/22/2008 3:53:20 PM

    Were any teenage boys pictured in the billboards? Probably not. As the mother of both daughters and sons I am always stunned by the cavalier attitudes of parents of just boys. Their son's girlfriend "got pregnant" as if by magic, or "my son is a good kid but she's a bad girl." We need to teach our sons about birth control, self control, and respect. Abstinance ALWAYS puts the burden on the girl. Sex and contraceptive education in schools and at home are the only way to reduce STDs and unwanted prgnancy.

    • Posted By: Mark Steven Zuelke @ 10/22/2008 4:48:19 PM

      What a broad brush you paint with! "Always stunned", "always puts the burden on the girl", "the only way to reduce STDs".
      Prejudice against boys will not solve anything, obviously. The burden in abstinence education is not placed on the girl, but on any who wish to follow the program. Sex education is not the only way, nor the best way, to reduce STD's and unwanted pregnancy. Abstinence is the choice of moral people. When I say that I mean those who know there are certain unbreachable rules to life.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/23/2008 10:12:29 AM

        Abstinence is the choice of 17th century people.

  • Posted By: kbbbb @ 10/23/2008 4:20:09 AM

    I've decided to be abstinent, which is a big ask in my country. My boyfriend supports me in this (we've known each other for years before we got together). However, I'm telling you, it's not often the girl that pushes for sex. Why should women be constantly targetted for saying "no" campaigns? The truth is you supporters of this program have to convince men to be abstinant, not women. That's why Abstinance is an all uphill battle, and the money should be put into teacvhing proper sex-ed, which has proven to reduce early sexual activity.

  • Posted By: sheltond @ 10/21/2008 12:33:04 PM

    I'm amazed at how many people are so quick to yell that absitnence doesn't work...just because they don't know very many people who weren't having sex as kids. People--broaden your horizons. Social science research shows us that people with things in common tend to stick together. If you were having sex as a teenager, it makes sense that you would be more familiar with other kids who were as well.

    I practiced abstinence before marriage. I wasn't forced, wasn't made to feel guilty...I was well educated and made a decision for my life. I am now a graduate student, happily married, and headed towards a career. I personally know hundreds (yes, hundreds) of people who have done and are doing the same. We are well educated people with bright futures....college graduates....engineers, social workers, counselors, businesspeople, educators, doctors, scientists, journalists, politicians....the list goes on. We all abstained. And we are all reaping the benefits of less emotional baggage than most of our peers.

    Just because sex sells doesn't mean we have to buy into it. Teens have the right to know what they're getting into...physiologically and emotionally...when they choose to have sex at a young age.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/21/2008 1:28:45 PM

      "I'm amazed at how many people are so quick to yell that absitnence doesn't work...just because they don't know very many people who weren't having sex as kids."

      It doesn't work, and that has nothing to do with who I knew as a kid.

      • Posted By: GoSarah @ 10/22/2008 11:20:56 AM

        It doesn't work for you, but it works for others just fine.
        People who want to have sex all the time think it's OK. Those who want to be abstinent think it is not, not for them. Do what you want, but don't say abstinence doesn't work. Just because you aren't into it, others are and it works fine for them.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/22/2008 2:04:15 PM

          Worked really well for Bristol Palin, didn't it? LOL.

          Fact: Abstinence-only as a means of preventing pregnancy is less effective than education about condoms, etc, according to the CDC...probably because, for all your preaching, plenty of teenagers will have sex anyway.

  • Posted By: HAL--- @ 10/21/2008 1:03:53 AM

    Abstinence (outside the realm of religious or moral dogma) is a choice. You can offer the choice, but it is up to the young person to take it. Sex is NORMAL. Sexual desires are NORMAL. It's how youth deals with it that is the issue. Given western culture is so hung up on sex (let's face it, it's everywhere...just watch TV), abstinence faces a losing battle.

    • Posted By: GoSarah @ 10/22/2008 11:27:50 AM

      Maybe for you but not for others. Abstinence works fine for some, even though we are inundated from all sides to sleep with any and all comers, heh heh. Nothing at all wrong with wanting to wait, if possible, for the right person at the right time. We don't say you have to, also. But let those who want to wait do so without criticism from you.

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