Just Saying No to Abstinence Ed

The biggest hole in the abstinence-only-wait-until-marriage sex-ed is what about what comes after white dress, flower girls, and overpriced cake? The same loop hole applies to the anti-HPV vaccine camp. The underlying assumption is that as long as girls/women keep their legs crossed until they are safely given away to the institution of marriage they will never get STDs or unwanted pregnancies that might end in an elected abortion. What is keeping the boys/men from whoring (interesting there is no male equivalent term) and contracting STDs before and after the marriage? Will women get the necessary information about contraceptives and planned pregnancy within the marriage? And what about, widowhood, divorce, and a second or even third marriage?

If a seventeen year old can, with his/her parent's permission, join the military to to kill and be killed, should we also trust to give seventeen year olds the right and complete information so that they can make the right decision for themselves--waiting for marriage or not.

It's not like they are not already googling will-sex-in-pool-prevent-pregnancy.

Posted By: ObamaYesWeCan @ 10/20/2008 9:04:01 PM
"Hopefully the collection agency will break both his legs and he'll never be able to walk nor work ever again. This typical republican retard deserves it."

My comment did end up on the right board, great comment by Obama supporter above. One in every crowd right? LOL Break his legs for an outstanding debt sounds like a policy of change! LOL Typical republican retard, sounds like an unbiased opinion to me. Maybe you should admit your ignorance now and start classes to learn how to express yourself in a way that removes all doubt about you being ignorant? I mean, all Republicans are retards is what you are saying. LOL

Posted By: ObamaYesWeCan @ 10/20/2008 9:04:01 PM
"Hopefully the collection agency will break both his legs and he'll never be able to walk nor work ever again. This typical republican retard deserves it."

My comment did end up on the right board, great comment by Obama supporter above. One in every crowd right? LOL Break his legs for an outstanding debt sounds like a policy of change! LOL Typical republican retard, sounds like an unbiased opinion to me. Maybe you should admit your ignorance now and start classes to learn how to express yourself in a way that removes all doubt about you being ignorant? I mean, all Republicans are retards is what you are saying. LOL

Sorry about the comment @ 8:36 ended up on the wrong board.

After 9/11, the US government started rounding up Muslims without cause and without due process of law, and put them in prison camps like we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. The Bush administration called it's main internment camp Guantanamo Bay. While there are certainly many guilty terrorists held in Guantanamo, there are also many innocent American citizens who have been held illegally for years without even being charged with any crime. They have been tortured by our government. Some of them have died.

Recently the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration in the matter of Guantanamo Bay. The Supreme Court Justices were NOT on the side of the terrorists. They were on the side of the Geneva Convention, that says you can not torture POWs, and on the side of US laws that state you can not imprison a person without charging them with a crime and bringing them to trial. I'm sure that like most Americans, the Justices who voted against the illegal, immoral doings at Guantanamo didn't feel sympathy for the terrorists. They felt sympathy for the laws of AMERICA, the land of the FREE, where even rat finks get a fair trial.

Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the Bush administration is busy trying to build a smokescreen to hide the CRIMES they have committed. Those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Just think, the National Debt went up over 6 trillion dollars under Bush. More than 2 trillion of it went directly into the pockets of Halliburton, a corporation owned by the Cheney family. Halliburton is now a DUBAI corporation and therefore is not subject to US taxes. All that money they took out of the US Treasury is going into the coffers of a MUSLIM country.

Did you hear about how the US government is being charged millions for Halliburton deliveries of sand into Iraq from Kuwait? Sand. Like there is a shortage of sand in Iraq? Another contractor shipped sand from Idaho to Iraq at our expense. Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz discusses these and other excesses of our current government's out of control spending in Iraq.

Your grandchildren will be working like slaves to pay off this debt, so that the Bushes and Cheneys can live the high life in Dubai.

Yeah, they're patriots, Bush&Co. They wear flag pins. And hide the money they stole from America in Dubai.

And they want me to believe that Obama is a socialist. Right.

In case you think McCain is any different than Bush, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

After 9/11, the US government started rounding up Muslims without cause and without due process of law, and put them in prison camps like we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. The Bush administration called it's main internment camp Guantanamo Bay. While there are certainly many guilty terrorists held in Guantanamo, there are also many innocent American citizens who have been held illegally for years without even being charged with any crime. They have been tortured by our government. Some of them have died.

Recently the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration in the matter of Guantanamo Bay. The Supreme Court Justices were NOT on the side of the terrorists. They were on the side of the Geneva Convention, that says you can not torture POWs, and on the side of US laws that state you can not imprison a person without charging them with a crime and bringing them to trial. I'm sure that like most Americans, the Justices who voted against the illegal, immoral doings at Guantanamo didn't feel sympathy for the terrorists. They felt sympathy for the laws of AMERICA, the land of the FREE, where even rat finks get a fair trial.

Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the Bush administration is busy trying to build a smokescreen to hide the CRIMES they have committed. Those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Just think, the National Debt went up over 6 trillion dollars under Bush. More than 2 trillion of it went directly into the pockets of Halliburton, a corporation owned by the Cheney family. Halliburton is now a DUBAI corporation and therefore is not subject to US taxes. All that money they took out of the US Treasury is going into the coffers of a MUSLIM country.

Did you hear about how the US government is being charged millions for Halliburton deliveries of sand into Iraq from Kuwait? Sand. Like there is a shortage of sand in Iraq? Another contractor shipped sand from Idaho to Iraq at our expense. Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz discusses these and other excesses of our current government's out of control spending in Iraq.

Your grandchildren will be working like slaves to pay off this debt, so that the Bushes and Cheneys can live the high life in Dubai.

Yeah, they're patriots, Bush&Co. They wear flag pins. And hide the money they stole from America in Dubai.

And they want me to believe that Obama is a socialist. Right.

In case you think McCain is any different than Bush, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

Seems to me that the abstinence starts AFTER your married.

Finally the McCain campaign has released a few selected pages of Cindy McCain's tax returns for 2006 and 2007.  Cindy files separately from John.  In 2006, Cindy made over $6,000,000 and paid $1,700,000 in taxes.  In 2007, she made $4,200,000 and paid $1,100,000 in taxes.

Cindy's effective tax rate for 2007 was only 26%, FAR lower than the top bracket of 36%.  If Cindy had paid the 36% she really owed, she would have paid $1,512,000 in tax -- $412,000 more than what she actually paid.

Her paying such a low rate is not because of charitable contributions.  The McCain campaign states that John and Cindy combined gave $340,000 to charity in the past two years.  Even if it was all from her, and all in 2007, that would not have dropped her rate so significantly.

What you are seeing here is the Bush tax cuts in action.  The really wealthy top 1% of income earners are not paying their fair share.  Personally, I think that Cindy, who has made  over 10.2 million in the past two years, can afford to be taxed at the 36% rate.

Did you know that the outfit she wore to the RNC cost $330,000?

No wonder John wants to extend (and increase) the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

Incidentally, John McCain made $258,800 last year, bringing their combined income to about $4,460,000 for 2007.



Here's an article in The New Yorker that sums it all up: taxation, socialism and Joe the Plumber all taken in context, instead of out of context (the way many bloggers on this website tend to interpret things).

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/10/27/081027taco_talk_coll

Abstinence does not work. May be in Saudi Arab or el salvador but even in places where the punishment for losing virginity (mainly women) is death people find ways to satiate their natural needs. Abstinence is unnatural and to tell someone how they should treat their natural desires is absurd hence the problems. It is like when you tell a child not to do something they make sure they do exactly what you told them not to do. Why? Simple, because we humans are rebellious by nature. The best way to deal with children when you want to impose your beliefs on them you put the onus on them. You tell your children that they are wonderful, that you trust them that they will use their best judgment in everything. Abstinence creates hypocrisy. It creates liars, it creates problems and institutions to resolve problems that werent problems but have become problems thence validating the existence of orgs that weren???t needed in the first place. if we do away with problems then these organizations wont be needed. People who sit on top don't want that. if one is in a weapon business one wants conflicts. If there is peace there is no need for weapons. Those who fund abstinence are not honest. They want our children to grow up feeling guilty for having a crush or desiring. They want the children to go to church and confess. Be depressed and take a lot of drugs. It helps pharmaceuticals; it helps the priest and keeps his job in the church alive (if no one committed a sin then no one would go to church -- so the church comes up with the most ridiculous thing that they know people will not follow) Why not invest money in libraries, cafes where people go to engage in philosophical discussions. Teach ethics and morality. Teach etiquette. Rather than building so many churches build schools for music, art, sports, health. Or teach ways to make good decisions. Abstinence is counterproductive. There are plenty of people who don't deserve to have children as they are either abusive or live in poverty but they have kids because the government helps them, but what about the future of the child. No one cares about this individual. When S. Palin advocates pro life you ought to ask her how cruel she is that knowing that she may be having a special need child she gave birth to see the child suffer. Because it makes her feel good about herself. If she was a kind human being she will tell other women not to have children at an older age; to use common sense. The level of intellect is embarrassing. It is shameful. Abstinence will never work unless we want a disastrous society so that those who advocate for abstinence laugh and mock at those who differ. We should invest massive amount of money in teaching science and philosophy. Why not become the smartest people. But of course we are in not interested in that. In fact we don't even think about it. What a shame. Our country has so much potential how do we stop the madness

I wonder what Bristol Palin thinks of abstinence-based sex education and its effectiveness...

Oh, and by-the-way I was taught abstinence, I practiced abstinence, and my marriage and the marriages of several hundred people I know are better for it. You just have to be willing to choose what's best for your future over what seems best right now. I agree that it should start with the parents - ETAP and people like us are there for the kids whose parent don't or won't do their job and tell their kids that there really are options beyond different brands of condom.

Abstinence ABSOLUTELY works - it is the only way to guarentee you won't contract and STD or have an unplanned pregnancy and it promotes actually getting to know your partner mentally and emotionally when you delay the physical. Unhealthy attitudes toward sex and intimacy are difficult to change - flighty, needy kids that give into every urge and desire turn into married adults who are more prone to base their future on urges rather than commitment. I work for Tonya Waite in her marriage program (www.wevownow.com) and I can assure you Texas won't be abandoning abstinence any time soon, with or without federal funding.