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  • Posted By: radbrad @ 10/20/2008 5:38:51 PM

    this is nostalgic bullshit from an editor who is out of touch with current reality. This is standard, pathetic, backwards looking backwards thinking propaganda for the idiots we are casting out for having ruined our country and our economy.

    • Posted By: RockRibbedConservative @ 10/20/2008 6:50:54 PM

      And Barry is nostalgically looking back to the 70's and the Paradise that was Jimmy Carter's Amurica!

    • Posted By: stillwerise @ 10/20/2008 5:44:11 PM

      oh man... THANKS rad..... i was beginning to think i was ALONE in this universe! Thanks....

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 3:05:26 PM

    The Economist magazine polled 683 professional economists and reported their findings. Democrats, Republicans and Independents were equally represented. The vast majority of them (over 80%) believed that Obama's economic plans will get us out of our current financial crisis. A similar majority believe that McCain's plans will make the economy worse.

    These are the experts. They know what they are talking about.

    That article is in an issue a couple weeks back, still available on-line at:

    http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127&CFID=24946653&CFTOKEN=58463805

    The Oct 11-17th issue of the Economist is titled "Saving the System: the Panic, the Rescues, and a Special Report on the World Economy." Worth reading. It will help you understand what is really going on. http://www.economist.com/printedition/index.cfm?d=20081011


    Two more articles of interest:

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/31/business/31view.php

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/10/27/081027taco_talk_coll

    • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/20/2008 3:29:26 PM

      False: The Economist article states"

      "We e-mailed a questionnaire to 683 research associates, all we could track down, of the National Bureau of Economic Research, America's premier association of applied academic economists, though the NBER itself played no role in the survey. A total of 142 responded, of whom 46% identified themselves as Democrats, 10% as Republicans and 44% as neither. This skewed party breakdown may reflect academia's Democratic tilt, or possibly Democrats greater propensity to respond."

      So your statement that the Dems and Repubs were equally represented is demonstratively false. In fact, that represents a major sampling bias. That is why it is a story, and not a study report.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 6:17:39 PM

        NFTT, here's an amended version of the post, just for you!

        The Economist magazine polled 683 professional economists and reported their findings. Of the respondents, 46% were Democrats, 10% Republicans and 44% Independents. The vast majority of them (over 80%) believed that Obama's economic plans will get us out of our current financial crisis. A similar majority believe that McCain's plans will make the economy worse.

        While you can say that all the Dems and all the Repubs may have essentially toed the party line in this survey, it does not account for the fact that essentially all of the Independent economists said that Obama's financial plans are better than McCain's. And if they are a reflection of how Independents across America are thinking, then Obama is going to win. Also, it turns out that about a third of the Republican economists surveyed said that Obama's plans are better.

        That article is in an issue a couple weeks back, still available on-line at:

        http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127&CFID=24946653&CFTOKEN=58463805

        The Oct 11-17th issue of the Economist is titled "Saving the System: the Panic, the Rescues, and a Special Report on the World Economy." Worth reading. It will help you understand what is really going on. http://www.economist.com/printedition/index.cfm?d=20081011


        More articles of interest:

        http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/31/business/31view.php

        http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/10/27/081027taco_talk_coll

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDofbll86dY&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_922988

  • Posted By: summer4077 @ 10/20/2008 3:14:58 PM

    Something that never ceases to amaze me is the overall tone on both sides. On Obama's side, at least on these postings, there is a tone of intelligence, trust, faith, and respect. People speak hopefully of the future and genuinely seem to care about this country and their fellow citizens. On McCain's side, for the most part, there seems to be anger--incoherent, bigoted, sometimes racist anger. Constant repeating of the same easily refuted lies and no respect for the very real accomplishments Obama has earned. I know I'm sick of the fear, lying, and anger...I think the majority of the American people are too. Obama 08!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 3:19:49 PM

      I agree with you Summer.

      • Posted By: PiaT @ 10/20/2008 3:24:42 PM

        Second, Nins. Summer is very wise, like you. Btw, yes it is Pia..my computer crashed this weekend and i had to open a new account.

        • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 6:16:01 PM

          Hi, Pia! Sorry about your computer.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 6:09:34 PM

    William F. Buckley's son, Christopher Buckley, who is a conservative Republican like his Dad, is supporting Barack Obama for President.

    Christopher Buckley was forced to resign from the right wing National Review over this endorsement. Chris has written a conservative column for years at the National Review, the journal his father founded. Chris has been a poster boy for the Republican party ever since his father, in a 1985 speech to Ronald Reagan, said that his son Christopher lived in a world of freedom thanks to the fact that the USA had not been afraid to use nuclear bombs in Japan and so end WWII.

    Twenty three years later, many prominent Republicans, including Christopher Buckley, Kathleen Parker, Susan Eisenhower and Colin Powell have come out in support of Barack Obama. Their primary reason for doing so is that they feel that Obama is the better candidate. But just as importantly, they are concerned by the growing tendency of the GOP to incite the masses based on false charges of terrorism, Muslim roots, etc. These lies feed a dark form of social unrest that is very destructive for America. (Look what it did in Nazi Germany.) They also all pointed to the inadequate choice of Sarah Palin as John's VP. These are prominent right wing Republicans speaking, not liberal Democrats.

    And while I am not prominent, I too am a Republican who is voting for Obama.

    Christopher Buckley's article about why he decided to support Obama:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-14/sorry-dad-i-was-fired

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/20/2008 8:29:50 AM

    Released: October 19, 2008
    Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 47.8%, McCain 45.1%

    McCain slowly gains on Obama


    UTICA, New York - Republican John McCain continued a slow advance on Democrat Barack Obama in the race for President, moving back within three percentage points as the race begins to head down the stretch run, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking poll shows.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 10/20/2008 6:06:34 PM

      It's good to see Obama winning Holy Roller. When Obama becomes the President, what country will you move to.

      GOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: neos @ 10/20/2008 11:11:56 AM

      Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby has Obama up by 6 today, you old cherry-picker, you.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 10/20/2008 4:03:31 PM

    I support Mr. McCain because he is more likely to reform government. Because he trusts us. Because he will create more opportunity. Because he loves America and has suffered for this country. Because he will protect us.

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 10/20/2008 6:02:49 PM

      I think Rep. Bachmann was talking about you. She wants us to investigate people who are not Americans. We know your not Mexico. Write to Rep Bachmann and tell her that even though you are an illegal immagrant, you want to stay and put in your fair share. I think the McCain would love to have you clean their houses.

  • Posted By: quasqueton @ 10/20/2008 5:54:35 PM

    Like, wow, man, cool, like, you know, I mean, like. You are the future! I hope you are just another dead head.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 10/19/2008 6:14:41 PM

    America remains, actually, a nation that swings back and forth as a pendulum between right and left for the convenience of the voting majority. The left went too far left in the 1960's and opened the door to the right. The pendulum made a few short swings, resting mostly to the right of center, until the "contract with America" began to move us rapidly to the right. We have now gone too far right. We will not know whether things will settle down for a while just right of center or just left of center. There are too many "responsible" people who haven't yet plumbed the depths of the current "recession" to see how much appetite that they have for things right of center. One has to regard the seriousness of a conservative party in a state of panic to save the whole economy using government dollars to save businesses and banks from failure, an act previously condemned by all, not some, but all conservatives as "liberal", "leftist", and "socialist". That act is not a right of centrist act. That act is a far leftist act taken in desperation by a rightist governmental regime. It reminds one of the Texas Governor in the movie, "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas", in his humorous dance and song favoring both the right and the left in his political hypocrisy trying to please everyone in order to stay in office, principals begone.

    • Posted By: stillwerise @ 10/20/2008 5:53:23 PM

      This is the most intellectually accurate and honest assessment and comment on this entire board. I am in complete 100% agreement with you and the rational points you made.

  • Posted By: quasqueton @ 10/20/2008 4:36:05 PM

    Obama does have a "messianic complex" Let's call it OMC - obsessive messianic complex.

    • Posted By: stillwerise @ 10/20/2008 5:41:53 PM

      I got a good name too... Let's call it... "the republiCONs got diddly-squat on Obama so lets use arrogant-uppity-messiah code words and link him to anyone who ever wet his bed as a kid cause we screwed up for the past 8years and the whole world sees it....... " yeah.. I like it.... let's call it that disorder.....

  • Posted By: boyydz @ 10/20/2008 5:31:08 PM

    A fine article, but it makes many assumptions that could easily prove unfounded. First of all, it is entirely possible that Obama is INDEED an ideologue. While his associations with radical and liberal groups may be just coincidences, one must take pause at their existence. Add that to the fact that Obama has had a highly liberal voting record in both the Illinois State Senate and the US Senate, and there is plenty of reason to worry about a strong impact of ideology on an Obama presidency.

    Furthermore, the comments Christopher Buckley made on Obama also show the way in which even knowledgeable observers (ie, ones who should know better) haven't done their homework - even when the klaxons were sounding all around. Obama may be "a churchgoing, Christian man," but the church he attended for 20 years preaches a brand of "Christianity" that few devout Christians would claim as their own. Rather, it is based on James Cone's perversion of the Bible with the philosophies of racial strife-mongering, cherry-picking Scripture for passages that support his ax-grinding and rejecting those that are clear refutations. If Obama's being a "churchgoing, Christian man" is what has many otherwise right-leaning persons tending toward him, maybe some of them should look a little closer at the Afrocentric tenets taught by his long-time parish.

    Furthermore, while Axelrod claims that Obama would not see his election as a popular mandate toward liberalism, there is no guarantee that Obama himself would follow that advice. Being the first Democrat from outside the South elected president since JFK will no doubt cause the far left to bombard him with urging support for their agendas, and he is certainly would be beholden to many of them for winning the race.

    I agree that governing from the center would be the smart move for a President Obama, but I have strong reservations about its likelihood should the disaster of an Obama win actually take place on November 4.

  • Posted By: oea65 @ 10/19/2008 6:49:17 PM

    The US is just a mostly stupid and ignorant country, that is why we are so screwed.

  • Posted By: sn0wy25 @ 10/20/2008 8:01:09 AM

    VERY SIMPLE, when Obama wins we will see the end of the 1st Ammendment, period. Conservative Talk Radio will be KILLED by Obama within the first 90 days. Then comes more of the singing children and the goose stepping black radical activists. Americans of all parties will real, mass demonstrations will happen, but it will be too late. America is NOT going to be ready for the "changes" that Obama will bring, they will be RADICAL AND FAST AND SECRET AND DECICIVE ! Americans will not recognise the Country that is left and we will re-elect HARD Conservatives in two years, but not before the damage is done on the NEW FAR LEFT Supream Court, the Military and in our new U.N. ordered mandates.

    • Posted By: stillwerise @ 10/20/2008 5:18:46 PM

      sigh.....

      really???? the END of the 1st amendment.... from a constitutional scholar???? geez.... How about... he will actually EXPAND the 1st amendment to MORE than just fox and limbaugh... cause right now... there are only 5 families that own ALL of the media in this country.... guess which way they vote??? let's see... i've see the race card played today.... now the fear card..... oh yes... the socialism card... (you know.. because "W" 's economy has just bee facistally DELICIOUS... right...)... sigh.... no wonder that idiot got elected (im sorry... was close enough to steal the election)... TWICE....

    • Posted By: Ludmila @ 10/20/2008 8:13:54 AM

      Sounds like paranoia.

      • Posted By: sn0wy25 @ 10/20/2008 8:25:41 AM

        Nope, taking folks at thier own words. Congress has already written the "Fairness" Doc 2009 version, waiting for Obama to sign. Nancy has said it will be one of her first pushs... So Talk Radio is dead, period. There will be NO allowed desent to Obama by ANY media, Fox better watch it's back too.

        • Posted By: summer4077 @ 10/20/2008 3:00:02 PM

          Really? What are your sources?

        • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 2:47:30 PM

          Sorry, Snowy, Ludmilla is right. You do sound paranoid, not only in this blog but in most of what you write.

          Relax. Obama is going to win. You will be upset about this, but in a few years you will be reaping the benefits along with the rest of us.

          Here are the benefits: a strong economy, an educated workforce, more American based jobs, affordable health care, freedom from foreign oil, less racism and lower taxes. We will regain our position as a world leader, a nation that spreads democracy not with guns and threats, but with prosperity and diplomacy.

          So relax. Everything is going to be fine.


  • Posted By: sn0wy25 @ 10/20/2008 8:42:04 AM

    SHOULD Barack Obama win the presidency and Democrats take full control of Congress, next year will see a real legislative attempt to bring back the Fairness Doctrine - and to diminish conservatives' influence on broadcast radio, the one medium they dominate. Yes, the Obama campaign said some months back that the candidate doesn't seek to re-impose this regulation, which, until Ronald Reagan's FCC phased it out in the 1980s, required TV and radio broadcasters to give balanced airtime to opposing viewpoints or face steep fines or even loss of license. But most Democrats - including party elders Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and Al Gore - strongly support the idea of mandating "fairness." Would a President Obama veto a new Fairness Doctrine if Congress enacted one? It's doubtful. The Fairness Doctrine was an astonishingly bad idea. It's a too-tempting power for government to abuse. When the doctrine was in effect, both Democratic and Republican administrations regularly used it to harass critics on radio and TV. Second, a new Fairness Doctrine would drive political talk radio off the dial. If a station ran a big-audience conservative program like, say, Laura Ingraham's, it would also have to run a left-leaning alternative. But liberals don't do well on talk radio, as the failure of Air America and indeed all other liberal efforts in the medium to date show. Stations would likely trim back conservative shows so as to avoid airing unsuccessful liberal ones. Then there's all the lawyers you'd have to hire to respond to the regulators measuring how much time you devoted to this topic or that. Too much risk and hassle, many radio executives would conclude. Why not switch formats to something less charged - like entertainment or sports coverage? For those who dismiss this threat to freedom of the airwaves as unlikely, consider how the politics of "fairness" might play out with the public. A Rasmussen poll last summer found that fully 47 percent of respondents backed the idea of requiring radio and television stations to offer "equal amounts of conservative and liberal political commentary," with 39 percent opposed. Liberals, Rasmussen found, support a Fairness Doctrine by 54 percent to 26 percent, while Republicans and unaffiliated voters were more evenly divided. The language of "fairness" is seductive. Even with control of Washington and public support, Dems would have a big fight in passing a Fairness Doctrine. Rush Limbaugh & Co. wouldn't sit by idly and let themselves be regulated into silence, making the outcome of any battle uncertain. But Obama and the Democrats also plan other, more subtle regulations that would achieve much the same outcome. He and most Democrats want to expand broadcasters' public-interest duties. One such measure would be to impose greater "local accountability" on them - requiring stations to carry more local programming whether the public wants it or not. .

    • Posted By: stillwerise @ 10/20/2008 5:14:25 PM

      very very interesting post...... but you began to lose me when you cite "the failure of air america".... they are still on, five years strong.. Randi Rhodes is on NovaM, and is drawing rating up the wazoo... Ed Schultz is kicking butt too.... and then there is Rachel Maddow... now a radio AND TV personality.... there IS a market for progressive talk... these successes have shown that. Other than that... the fairness doctrine SHOULD be re-instated. LOOK WHAT THE RIGHT DID ONCE IT WAS GONE.... FOX IS LITERALLY "PROPAGANDIZING" THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. literally ! and when you get talking points STRAIGHT from the whitehouse and Karl Rove... what credibility is left..... NONE.

  • Posted By: callmecrazy @ 10/20/2008 5:09:33 PM

    Stillwerise,

    It's spelled republiCAN not republiCON, just so you know. If you're not even educated enough to know how to spell, I doubt you're much more qualified to make political comments worth listening to.

  • Posted By: Ludmila @ 10/20/2008 2:14:19 AM

    OBAMA: "I will cut taxes for 95% of all working families."

    FACT: IRS data show that 97% of tax filers make less than $200,000
    and 95% of small businesses make less than $200,000.

    Also, Obama will give tax credits to any business that creates jobs in America, promoting creation of wealth in America, whereas McCain will give tax credits to businesses that ship American jobs to other countries, promoting shuffling of wealth out of America to other countries.

    According to the Tax Policy Center analysis:

    McCain's economic plan will increase deficit by $5 trillion
    Obama's economic plan will increase deficit by $3.5 trillion

    A non partisan think tank (Urban Institute):

    Obama would give larger tax cuts to low- and moderate-income households.
    And Obama???s health care proposal contains the basic components necessary for effectively addressing the most important shortcomings of the current health care system, that is, limited coverage, inadequate risk pooling, and high-cost growth.

    McCain would give the biggest cuts to the highest-income households.
    And McCain???s health care proposal would dramatically change how many Americans obtain health insurance coverage, make coverage less accessible for those with health problems, have a high budget cost, but have little effect on the number uninsured.

    THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION > Article I > Section 8
    1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
    --------
    I guess, spreading the wealth around (or "socialism" as McCain calls it) is prescribed by the United States Constitution. Perhaps McCain never read it.

    • Posted By: stillwerise @ 10/20/2008 5:02:28 PM

      Now you KNOW republiCONS don't actually CARE about facts, right???? You can tell them that water is wet, ice is cold and fire is hot.... and if that goes against them trying to get elected, they will look you dead in the eye and go "nuh-uhhhhh"

  • Posted By: stillwerise @ 10/20/2008 4:37:38 PM

    Just Because Fox and Limbaugh "push" and repeat the lie that the coutry is right of center, does not make it so.... it only means you all WISH it would continue to BE so......

    the country is shifting fundamentally....... prepare YOURself for it.

  • Posted By: chindognyc @ 10/20/2008 3:19:22 PM

    notsoquietmajority is nothimg more than a pure racist. She thinks Powell picked Obama because of he color of his skin is just sad. She also called Obama an anti-christ. this is really sad. This is the reason why blacks and whites just can't get along. It is people like notsoquiet who spreads hate and fear into all Americans. She is really targeting white americans. It is the young folks in America who will break the hatred in this great nation and will help make history....both blacks and whites. People like notsoquiet will always loose. They will never win because only God can judge......not lunatics like notsoquiet.

    • Posted By: PiaT @ 10/20/2008 3:23:14 PM

      Chin, Notsoquiet is wrong, let's ignore, shall we? Let us focus on the future and on a new beggining with President Obama.

      • Posted By: chindognyc @ 10/20/2008 3:25:11 PM

        Good point PiaT

        • Posted By: PiaT @ 10/20/2008 3:26:49 PM

          Chin, it's me, Pia1981. My computer crashed this weekend and i had to open a new acct. with a new username.

          • Posted By: chindognyc @ 10/20/2008 4:27:41 PM

            Pia, hey how are you. Sorry to hear about your comp. crashing. I'm glad you are still here spreading the truth.

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 10/20/2008 4:19:09 PM

    It is amazing to hear the McCain and especially the Palin far-fetched and low-class attacks on Obama, with it now being that Obama is advocating Socialism. What they should be concerned with, what they totally neglect and avoid are the real issues and then what is apparent is that they have no solutions for the drastic problems and no real answers for the people???s desperate needs. Where one real shortfall is, is in Palin???s qualifications, it being a severe and scary fault that seems to be put aside when it should be near the top in people???s minds; that plus her arrogance, self-indulgence, bazaar and extreme behavior and very notably her lack of a conscience. As far as Socialism is concerned, while ???spreading the wealth??? may not have been Obama???s best choice of words the facts are that he is not advocating anything even close to Socialism and in contrast what little we hear from McCain-Palin just indicates that all we can expect from them is ???more of the same???. Any viewing of history shows us that in each Republican admin this country has had far fewer jobs created, the economy became worse off and the focus was always on benefit for Special Interests and a select few leaving the majority with the costs. That isn???t political propaganda (I was a registered Republican until 2003 and now I???m an independent) but rather it is the truth substantiated by the facts contained in history (with the Bush admin being the worst of all). The McCain-Palin camp, and the Republican Party, try to sell the ???trickle down??? philosophy as benefiting the country when that isn???t true, in fact, it is an out-an-out fraud perpetrated for the benefit of a few. The fraud is very apparent when viewing the results: how a very few at the top own so much of the wealth; how deregulation has allowed greed and dishonesty to benefit a few; how so much is always done to check the income at the bottom while the income at the top grows unchecked (from 1:25 to 1:500); how even in bad times the few benefit and the majority pay and lose; how in everything: economy; war; natural disasters; neglected infrastructure; global warming; exported jobs and taxes; high costs of energy, of food, of medical,,; and more, the few always manage to gain benefit while the majority has to ???bite the bullet???; and then common sense says that giving more discretionary money to the wealthy, to those who already spend all they want on whatever they want, does nothing for the economy, while giving more to the middle-class and the poor gets spent on paying the bills, on a new refrigerator, on fixing the car, on going out to dinner,,, and stimulates the economy, creating profit for companies and even for the wealthy. It is very apparent that McCain-Palin don???t have any answers and rather would just continue with ???more of the same???, which we can???t withstand, and yet they try to aggressively deceive and confuse, hoping they can sneak in. As Collin Powel said, ???Barack Obam

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 10/20/2008 4:21:35 PM

      to finish the above with what was cut off:

      "As Collin Powel said, 'Barack Obama is what is needed now'!

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/20/2008 3:32:17 PM

    Finally the McCain campaign has released a few selected pages of Cindy McCain's tax returns for 2006 and 2007.  Cindy files separately from John.  In 2006, Cindy made over $6,000,000 and paid $1,700,000 in taxes.  In 2007, she made $4,200,000 and paid $1,100,000 in taxes.

    Cindy's effective tax rate for 2007 was only 26%, FAR lower than the top bracket of 36%.  If Cindy had paid the 36% she really owed, she would have paid $1,512,000 in tax -- $412,000 more than what she actually paid.

    Her paying such a low rate is not because of charitable contributions.  The McCain campaign states that John and Cindy combined gave $340,000 to charity in the past two years.  Even if it was all from her, and all in 2007, that would not have dropped her rate so significantly.

    What you are seeing here is the Bush tax cuts in action.  The really wealthy top 1% of income earners are not paying their fair share.  Personally, I think that Cindy, who has made  over 10.2 million in the past two years, can afford to be taxed at the 36% rate.

    Did you know that the outfit she wore to the RNC cost $330,000?

    No wonder John wants to extend (and increase) the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

    Incidentally, John McCain made $258,800 last year, bringing their combined income to about $4,460,000 for 2007.



    Here's an article in The New Yorker that sums it all up: taxation, socialism and Joe the Plumber all taken in context, instead of out of context (the way many bloggers on this website tend to interpret things).

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/10/27/081027taco_talk_coll

    • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 10/20/2008 4:09:48 PM

      36% she really owed??? This is why a small percentage of CEO's are Democrats.....LOL!!! Ever heard of a tax deferred anuity??? Wow...LOL!!

  • Posted By: bloglorn @ 10/20/2008 3:58:19 PM

    There's one big problem with the "Anti-Christ" contention, and that is that the religion of Islam began several hundred years AFTER the Book of Revelations was written. Try again.

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