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  • Posted By: onceler @ 10/21/2008 1:08:41 PM

    What a load this "story" is. McCain's plan calls for mysteriously large amounts of money to be spent, he himself does not specify how he will pay for it. When asked, his campaign staffer readilly replied, with media present, that cuts in Medicaid were wher the savings would come from. McCain can deny this all he wants, but how about instead of calling Obama a liar here - YOU at Newsweek do some actual research and find out if maybe John McCain is the one lying here. Of course, billions cut from Medicaid would be very, very, very unpopular with the older voters who are McCain's base by now, so he'll do anything to try to get out of the mess.

    But this bogus "factcheck" story, based on future events which haven't happened yet and can't be "checked", is pure crap-ola. McCain's campaign SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO THIS! What is even contestable about that? Just the fact that they deny it now? Is that alone the basis for this article?

    Truly pathetic.

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 10/21/2008 12:33:16 PM

    Obama is quoting The Wall Street Journal as a reliable source.

    If it is wrong, The Wall Street Journal wrong.

    Unlike the McCain campaign which actually fabricates lies about Obamas character, Obama at least has a real source he is quoting.

    Big difference.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/21/2008 11:54:52 AM

    After 9/11, the US government started rounding up Muslims without cause and without due process of law, like we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. The Bush administration called it's main internment camp Guantanamo Bay. While there are certainly many guilty terrorists held in Guantanamo, there are also many innocent American citizens who have been held illegally for years without even being charged with any crime. They have been tortured by our government. Some of them have died.

    Recently the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration in the matter of Guantanamo Bay. The Supreme Court Justices were NOT on the side of the terrorists. They were on the side of the Geneva Convention, that says you can not torture POWs, and on the side of US laws that state you can not imprison a person without charging them with a crime and bringing them to trial. I'm sure that like most Americans, the Justices who voted against the illegal, immoral doings at Guantanamo didn't feel sympathy for the terrorists. They felt sympathy for the laws of AMERICA, the land of the FREE, where even rat finks get a fair trial.

    Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the Bush administration is busy trying to build a smokescreen to hide the CRIMES they have committed. Those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Just think, the National Debt went up over 6 trillion dollars under Bush. More than 2 TRILLION of it went directly into the pockets of Halliburton, a corporation owned by the Cheney family. Halliburton is now a DUBAI corporation and therefore is not subject to US taxes. All that money they took out of the US Treasury is going into the coffers of a MUSLIM country.

    Did you hear about how the US government is being charged millions for Halliburton deliveries of sand into Iraq from Kuwait? Sand. Like there is a shortage of sand in Iraq? Another contractor shipped sand from Idaho to Iraq at our expense. Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz discusses these and other excesses of our current government's out of control spending in Iraq.

    Your grandchildren will be working like slaves to pay off this debt, so that the Bushes and Cheneys can live the high life in Dubai.

    Yeah, they're patriots, Bush&Co. They wear flag pins. And hide the money they stole from America in Dubai.

    And they want me to believe that Obama is a socialist. Right.

    In case you think McCain is any different than Bush, watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

  • Posted By: ronin1 @ 10/20/2008 6:45:33 PM

    Here's what Obama doesn't want you to know about his plan. People 55-75 are investing in income stocks, whereas younger people are investing in growth stocks. People 55-75 have just had their retirement derailed by the stock market, and now, if Obama raises corporate tax, the dividends provided by the income stocks will go away. To make matters worse, people in the $250K+ salary range are largely older workers, who have had to pay for their kids college educations, and pay off their own educations, and have precious little time to save for retirement. Dividends will soon be effectively gone. The Democrats' failed economic policy was a significant cause of the recent stock market crash (the stock market has gone down significantly since the Dems took control in 2006, and are largely responsible for Fannie Mae's decline). Now, Obama wants to raise their income tax and their social security payments, without providing higher social security payments.

    If I was 55 years old, with 10 years to save for retirement, and a political party cost me half the worth of my retirement account, wanted to selectively increase my tax, and put a corporate tax on an investment that was paying me a dividend, I'd be upset. If I was retired, and the same political party effectively took my dividends and I lost half the value of my stock portfolio, I would be upset.

    Basically, only young people without signficant investment in the market and without high income levels are going to gain from Obama's plan, which may be why he's so popular among the youth.

    I'm not that young, and I make over $250K a year (for the first time since finishing college, grad school, and law school, and working as a lawyer for 14 years). So, his plan hits me hard. I'll have to pay more in increased taxes than I pay for my mortgage.

    • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 10/21/2008 12:55:32 AM

      You are mistaken in assigning blame. Even though the dems took control of congress in 2006 what laws did they enact that would cause the stock market crash in any way? NONE. First they never wanted to do it, second they were not in control of anything because W vetoed everything they wanted to do. Hence, the totally incompetent republican leadership is the only one to blame for this mess. Hopefully the democrats will help us fixing it again, as in Roosevelt's time.

      • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 10/21/2008 9:28:53 AM

        History dictates that the Dems created the hostile market we are in now. Bill Clinton administration left a surplus however it was under the majority Republican regime not Democrats. Democrats are known as a tax, spend, waste party. History will repeat itself again with the Republicans taking over in two years. They do know how to budget.

    • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 10/20/2008 7:41:02 PM

      AMEN. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I don't make that much but I live within my means, I actually would gain from Obama's plans but this is not just me in this country. There is others like me who have lived within their means. Also why should people who are successful be penalized for having a great job and making over 250K? Young people's parents are the ones who will be disadvantaged and my question is will the young people be able to support their parents after everything is said and done? Support them to what they are accustomed to after all their sacrifices?

  • Posted By: smolly @ 10/20/2008 7:57:03 PM

    Obama would cut taxes for over 90% of hard working Americans. Only those earning more that $250,000 per year would see a tax increase. This plan would support the middle class, which is one of the pillars of an effective democracy.

    • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 10/20/2008 9:43:32 PM

      Wrong. In case you haven't been paying attention, the middle class are the ones who are in trouble right now. Many of them were on the verge of retirement until the market pretty much took many of their life savings. And tahnks to the Democrats. They did have control over the House and Senate for the last 6 of the 8 years everyone is complaing. When the republicans had control with a Democratic President, we had a surplus. People who make 250k should pay their fair taxes not be discriminated against for being successful. That is not what America is about. America is the land of opportunity not discrimination.

      • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 10/21/2008 12:46:40 AM

        Wrong! The democrats had control of the congress for only 2 (TWO!) years. And even during those two years the republicans controlled every decision by presidential veto assured by your beloved W. So clearly the present pain of the middle class, which is very real, is caused by totally ignorant republican fiscal policies. Not to mention the Iraq war and its enormous cost. I agree that everyone should pay their fair taxes, what is fair though if you make ove $250k is debatable.

        • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 10/21/2008 9:17:30 AM

          RIGHT! War is war and I prefer it be on foreign soil not here in the United States. I just watched a movie Body of Lies. In that movie I understand why we as America need to be strategically placed so as not to impose a communist way of life in America. Trust me I don't love GW however if the democrats would stop being such socialist maybe America and its economy can be great once again. And according to your own comments since the Democrats did have control how come the great Obama was not able to round up his fellow Republicans to override those vetoes? Republicans know whats right for America.

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 10/20/2008 10:26:29 PM

    Obama is quoting The Wall Street Journal as a reliable source.

    If it is wrong, The Wall Street Journal wrong.

    Unlike the McCain campaign which actually fabricates lies about Obamas character, Obama at least has a real source he is quoting.

    Big difference.

    • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 10/20/2008 10:55:27 PM

      Obama is using sensational journalism. A lie is a lie regadless how small or how big. The Wall Street Journal was inaccurate and so is Obama's campaign. DOES NOT MATTER. Obama will be elected and hopefully the US will be smart enough to turn control over to Republicans to get us out of this mess the Democrats got us in. The Democrats made this mess not the Republicans. Dems had control for the last 6 years. Dems do not know how to budget. They only know how to tax and spend. Creating socialist programs we tax payers continue to fund.

      • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 10/21/2008 12:26:35 AM

        Man, are you ignorant! The democrats have a slim majority in the congress in the lats 2 (two!) years not 6 years. But even with that everything has been controlled by the republicans during the past 8 years. So saying that the present mess is the result of democrats doing something evils is either an intentional lie or a total ignorance of facts.

        • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 10/21/2008 9:09:09 AM

          You are the ignoramous. Republicans were responsible for the surplus that we seem to measure Bill Clinton's administration with. Democrats have had the opportunity to make those changes but chose not to. in the last 6 years. They have had control of the house and senate. Now look where we're at? The young people will need to wait longer because the older ones cannot retire due to the slump economy and investments in retirement taking dives. Thanks to the good old DEMOCRATS.

    • Posted By: JLEIDGEN @ 10/20/2008 11:09:18 PM

      still does not merit him leading the largest country of the free world....he has no experience...good luck...you better hope your right...

  • Posted By: tippology1 @ 10/21/2008 2:50:01 AM

    I just know this article is not saying GOD has made a mistake. Obama can do no wrong and he can fix the world with his economic views. Vote for Obama and watch the world flurish in revenue. Obama is the worse choice for President we have had in yrs and the people just dont give a dam, so I say when the S....T hits the fan many of you will suffer and I will clap to that........

  • Posted By: BuckyT @ 10/21/2008 2:23:00 AM

    Sorry, that's $1.3 trillion, not "billion". John McCain keeps promising to balance the budget with figures that simply don't add up. When the campaign is asked to provide the specifics, it goes silent, because they know that Jackson, factcheck.org and their ilk will accept silence at face value and blame the opposition for filling in the details. McCain has admitted not being good at all this economics stuff, but his aids are guilty of not being good at math.

  • Posted By: BuckyT @ 10/21/2008 2:10:52 AM

    Who fact-checks the fact-checkers? Jackson claims that the Obama ad is based on a single unconfirmed newspaper report. This is complete bunk! McCain's own campaign aids stated that they planned to finance his health care proposal with $1.3 billion in cuts from Medicare and Medicaid. They did not even try to dispute the WSJ claim. And the McCain claim that $882 billion from Medicare will be saved by "cutting fraud, increased use of information technology in medicine and better handling of expensive chronic diseases" is about as plausible as his claim of being able to balance the budget in less than four years. It seems that factcheck.org is even more gullible than some voters.

  • Posted By: tommyd60 @ 10/20/2008 6:22:26 PM

    Keep beleiving McCain won't make cuts, fix the financial crisis, repair social security and medicare, fix the health care system, balance the budget all while fighting his ten billion a month war. Your out of your minds if you believe this lying, foolish old man and his bimbo cheerleader. The country will get deeper in debt, the war will expand and you'll have yourselves to blame for all it.

    • Posted By: kun88 @ 10/21/2008 2:07:51 AM

      tommyd60, you are too kind. Actually if you McCain supporters vote him into office, and we get 100 year Iraq war, invasion of Iran by this mad bull, all your neighbours will find pitch forks and torches and camp outside your house and ask you why were you so blind and vote for this pro-war McCain.

  • Posted By: JLEIDGEN @ 10/20/2008 10:23:52 PM

    i love it...its so rare to see any positive spin on mccain....the media at large seems to have a love affair with obama...you wont see this info on cnn or msn...i feel the american people are being swayed....everything you see everyday is on how great obama is and how terrible mccain is doing...i am suprised we didnt learn when the recount in fla...the media reported a victory early and people didnt show up to the polls!!!!...what is the difference?...jeff in CA

    • Posted By: kun88 @ 10/21/2008 1:52:18 AM

      You have been spinned so much that the only good spin is a McCain spin, huh? Get over it. Get your news somewhere without spin. BTW, don't try to find it in "No Spin Zone". If you can't decide what is no spin news? Get news from left, right and center, debate with your friends and make your own judgement.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/21/2008 1:45:49 AM

    After 9/11, the US government started rounding up Muslims without cause and without due process of law, and put them in prison camps like we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. The Bush administration called it's main internment camp Guantanamo Bay. While there are certainly many guilty terrorists held in Guantanamo, there are also many innocent American citizens who have been held illegally for years without even being charged with any crime. They have been tortured by our government. Some of them have died.

    Recently the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration in the matter of Guantanamo Bay. The Supreme Court Justices were NOT on the side of the terrorists. They were on the side of the Geneva Convention, that says you can not torture POWs, and on the side of US laws that state you can not imprison a person without charging them with a crime and bringing them to trial. I'm sure that like most Americans, the Justices who voted against the illegal, immoral doings at Guantanamo didn't feel sympathy for the terrorists. They felt sympathy for the laws of AMERICA, the land of the FREE, where even rat finks get a fair trial.

    Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the Bush administration is busy trying to build a smokescreen to hide the CRIMES they have committed. Those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Just think, the National Debt went up over 6 trillion dollars under Bush. More than 2 trillion of it went directly into the pockets of Halliburton, a corporation owned by the Cheney family. Halliburton is now a DUBAI corporation and therefore is not subject to US taxes. All that money they took out of the US Treasury is going into the coffers of a MUSLIM country.

    Did you hear about how the US government is being charged millions for Halliburton deliveries of sand into Iraq from Kuwait? Sand. Like there is a shortage of sand in Iraq? Another contractor shipped sand from Idaho to Iraq at our expense. Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz discusses these and other excesses of our current government's out of control spending in Iraq.

    Your grandchildren will be working like slaves to pay off this debt, so that the Bushes and Cheneys can live the high life in Dubai.

    Yeah, they're patriots, Bush&Co. They wear flag pins. And hide the money they stole from America in Dubai.

    And they want me to believe that Obama is a socialist. Right.

    In case you think McCain is any different than Bush, watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

  • Posted By: LiamSmith @ 10/21/2008 12:07:10 AM

    Politicians distort the truth. All of them do it: Obama, McCain, Biden, Palin, Cheney, Bush, Clinton(s), JFK . . . maybe not Nixon. Anyhow, they all do it. It's part of the playbook.
    Suck it up.

    • Posted By: kun88 @ 10/21/2008 1:44:47 AM

      Find the truth and call them out. Whoever lies, call them out. Only that way can we have a cleaner political future. If you don't to that, you are one of them, voluntarily or Involuntarily.

  • Posted By: JLEIDGEN @ 10/20/2008 10:38:14 PM

    does anyone know the definition of faith...the evedince of things hoped for and substance of things not seen....sounds like an obama supporter....he has no history...i know the argument obama supporters stand on...he is against the war...(thats an easy sell)...mccain is just like bush...(thats just untrue...both candidates followed him on alot of issues)...i could go on but the truth is he is a good sales man...not a president...he has 143 days logged in the senate...you cant be a GM of a mcdonalds or chuck e cheese in 143 days...we need a leader not a sales man with no experience....it is a known fact obama has no foriegn policy...at a time the world needs to come together on alot of issues...we dont have time for on the job training....YOU CANNOT VOTE FOR OBAMA JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKIE BUSH....its not a good enough reason...someone asked me are you better off now than you were 8 years ago...YES I AM....and so are you probably...we need someopne to lead us out of the worst financial crisis since the depression...iraq...etc...etc...not obama....not a newbie....

    • Posted By: kun88 @ 10/21/2008 1:18:51 AM

      "....YOU CANNOT VOTE FOR OBAMA JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKIE BUSH". Exactly!!
      I guess you vote for McCain because you like Bush!!!
      Have you watched the last debate without rely on the Rush Limbourge digest it for you??
      Obama cleared said, in ECONOMIC policies, McCain agreed with Bush. Obama give McCain credit for non-economic issues. Of course, McCain comes back, couldn't understand what Obama just said, argued that his non-economic policies are different from Bush. So he's not a Bush.

      Do you care McCain doesn't look like Bush, doesn't smell like Bush, doesn't sounds like Bush, doesn't walk like Bush? No nobody cares. It's the economic policies that counts right now. If Bush comes around and tell America, vote for me one more time, I am going to totally change my policies, all policies! Would anyone vote for him? No. Then why would anyone vote for McCain when he himself admit that he voted in support of Bush 90% of the time? Tell me, did McCain vote against Bush, showed his "Maverick" color in ANY of Bush's economic policies??? If you don't vote Bush 3rd term, don't vote for McCain.

  • Posted By: 52plug52 @ 10/21/2008 12:18:13 AM

    No matter who win the election no matter if your voting for Obama or McCain You will get CHANGE...With McCain You do have a track record. With Obama The change you get is Unexplained and when we see what the CHANGE really is.... It will be to late to change your vote... Wake up America "JOE the Plumber" got a question in and Obama dropped in the poles..... I think OBAMA needs a few MORE QUESTIONS ask of him...

    • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 10/21/2008 1:11:36 AM

      With McCain we have a track record??? A track record of what? Kissing Bush' ass? Calling the religious ultra right evil in 2000 and then kissing their ass in 2008 to get their support? Introducing a bill against torture and then voting against it? Saying that country comes first and then nominate a totally unqualified incompetent VP candidate, Palin just to generate some campaign buzz? McCain is talking about change but I have not heard anything credible from him how his administration would be different from the present failed incompetent republican administration. Compared to this I prefer Obama with limited track record but high IQ, good education, and an excellent team of advisers, that puts McCain???s team to shame in competence and track record.

    • Posted By: kun88 @ 10/21/2008 1:05:16 AM

      You need to find out who has been spewing all these poisons into your ears. People want your vote, people lie to you. Especially this election season.

      On the other hand, what is wrong with taxing the fictitious "JOE the Plumber" 39% instead of 36% when he take home 250K a year? This JOE is not everyday joe. How many makes 250K a year doing plumbing? 0.1%? Oh year, that's everyone. The logic is bullet proof.

  • Posted By: LiamSmith @ 10/21/2008 12:05:20 AM

    Politicians distort the truth. All of them do it; Obama; McCain; Palin; Biden; Blair; JFK . . . maybe not Nixon. Anyhow, all of them do it. It is part of the playbook and always has been. Suck it up.

    • Posted By: kun88 @ 10/21/2008 1:06:51 AM

      No, don't suck it up. Find out the truth. Find many sources of information. Find out the facts that both side uses. Dig for the truth.

  • Posted By: JohnnyG @ 10/20/2008 11:55:39 PM

    Obama is not twisting the facts when he approves these ads, he is lying and he knows it. He will do or say anything to win this election. This "McCain will cut medicare" ad is running on TV about every hour in South Florida where millions of senior citizens live. These people don't know any better and they believe the lie. Lying speaks to a man's character. Associating with the radical bomber Ayers and then saying he barely knows the man speaks to a man's character. If McCain had kicked off his political career in the living room of David Duke the Klansman and served on a board with him, do you think the liberal mainstream media would be saying that it was not relevant to the election? NO ! The cult-like following that is promoting Obama is unbelievable, like they are mesmerized and oblivious to the facts. If Obama wins, America Loses !

    • Posted By: kun88 @ 10/21/2008 12:57:39 AM

      No. If Obama wins, America won't lose. What do you bet it on? I can bet it on no matter what happens you McCain supports would be so poisoned by republican propaganda that you won't wake up from it in 20 years.

  • Posted By: mjacosta123 @ 10/20/2008 6:45:27 PM

    With all this information coming out the Amercan people want Obama to win .
    We will lose everything just because people with money can buy anything . $600 million where did it come from?

    • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 10/21/2008 12:56:55 AM

      I must assume that it mostly came from grass root people who are fed up with the republican incompetence of the past 8 years.

  • Posted By: mjacosta123 @ 10/20/2008 6:48:39 PM

    Obama will cost us more then what we know. Who will ask him where did all the money come from when times are so bad.

    • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 10/21/2008 12:49:23 AM

      No one knows exactly how much Obama's policies will cost. But the same is true for McCain's policies. This is typical of all campaigns in our country: Politicians never level with us about the cost of their promises. But, all-in-all Obama is much more credible to me than McCain, not to mention Palin, who is the biggest threat to our democracy since Nixon.

  • Posted By: Midwest Common Sense @ 10/21/2008 12:19:24 AM

    Teflon Don ( Obama ) Can say anything. Do Anything. Yet nothing sticks to him . The un-informed american public would follow anyone anywhere if they thought they would get something for nothing. Teflon Don
    ( Obama ) keeps telling his followers that they need to blame others, because they don't have what the other person has worked their whole life for. Lets that it away and give it to the Obama follower. Right!!!! I read not long ago that Teflon Don can draw up too 25,000 people on a weekday to one of his meetings, and McCain only draws around 8,000 to his. The truth is that The John McCain supporters are working at real jobs. Most of Teflon Dons followers are unemployed. But that want what you have worked for. And Teflon Don says they should have it. Yes ! The dead beats of America have a new champion.

    • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 10/21/2008 12:37:41 AM

      Really? According to federal statistics the unemployment rate is about 6%. It seems to me that based on the polls Obama has much broader support than 6%. So, there is something fundamentally wrong with your totally unsubstantiated allegation. But, you would not care about facts anyway, would you, even though your handle is common sense, in the truest Rove-ian tradition.?

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