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  • Posted By: Charles Lopez @ 10/24/2008 11:18:41 PM

    Obama would handle anything better than McCain or Bush.
    McCain is like Bush in more than one way, he is more into war than Obama or Bush.
    look at who he has with him Palin.
    You and everyone else can not even guess what she would do.
    One thing is for sure everything would be behind closed doors with McCain and Palin they have told us that.
    Obama and Biden would contact the best people to talk things over and make dam sure we were after the right people not just someone we did not like.

    • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/25/2008 8:19:17 AM

      Laughable. Obama has already indicated he will raise the white flag.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 10/24/2008 4:52:58 PM

    GUESS WHO THE UNIONS DONATED $300,000,000.00 TO? - OBAMA!

    GUESS WHO WANTS TO "SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND" & RAISE TAXES? - OBAMA!

    GUESS WHO JOE BIDEN SAYS IS NOT READY TO BE PRESIDENT? - OBAMA!

    GUESS WHY FINANCE MARKETS ARE STILL REACTING NEGATIVELY? - OBAMA!

    GUESS WHO STARTED THEIR POLITICAL CAREER IN A TERRORIST'S HOME? -OBAMA!

    GUESS WHO SAYS US TROOPS AIR RAIDED VILLAGES & KILLED CIVILIANS? -OBAMA!

    GUESS WHO VOTED VS A BILL TO PROTECT BABIES BORN ALIVE IN ABORTION? -OBAMA!

    GOD BLESS AMERICA.....HERE'S YOUR NEW PRESIDENT....ENJOY!!

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/24/2008 5:54:56 PM

      Well, thank you, CC.

      I will enjoy. Does this mean you have admitted defeat? Please stick around. I would love to continue blogging w/ you.

      LOL!!!!!

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 10/24/2008 12:36:43 PM

    THIS CHICK IS LYING!

    Has anyone kept up with this? A McCain supporter posted a comment regarding this incident yesterday,asking why Obama supporters are so violent. I replied to this poster asking why the B that was supposedly carved into her face by the "Scary Angry Black man" Of Course ! was backwards. The B looks the way it would if a right handed person did it to themselves.

    Anyway the police have found several inconsistencies in her story and she had now remembered new details such as a sexual assault. She did not mention this sexual assult initially, this is a new memory. The police. Also she first stated that she walked to the bank and the attacker got mad when he saw the McCain button on her jacket, then she stated that the attacker got mad when he saw the McCain bumber sticker on her car??????????????????????????

    The police are giving this woman a lie detector. I am listing the links to several articles regarding this incident. Please note the major differences in Ms. Todd's stories. In one version Ms. Todd states that the man sat on her chest and carved a backwards B into her cheek. In another version she told the police that she passed out and when she woke up she felt a stinging on her cheek but did not know what happened to her face.

    link to article: http://www.huliq.com/1/71280/mccain-volunteer-ashley-todd-attacked-mutilated-pittsburgh

    link to article 2: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/index.html?eref=time_us

    link to article 3 including Police video statement: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/24/2008 3:40:48 PM

      Hey sj,

      it's been confirmed. This WAS a hoax. The woman is being brought up on charges for filing a false police report, as we speak.

      How sad.....

      This is what THEY do. Reminds me of the WHITE woman who drowned her kids in the lake, and told the cops that a BLACK man kidnapped them.

      Sigh..........

  • Posted By: arabeguiled @ 10/21/2008 3:26:43 PM

    osama isn't going to do anything. he is routing for obama just like hamas is, hezbollah is and the american mainstream media and aljazeera. he wants nothing more than a democrat in charge of the white house, the house of representatives and the senate. bleeding heart liberals are his love and delight. if could vote, he would register with ACORN 172 times and agree to be picked up in waziristan by an obama preaching ACORN driver.

    • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 10/21/2008 6:35:25 PM

      Yes.... no big secret why Hamas has endorsed Obama.... They don't want to mess with McCain.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/21/2008 8:53:28 PM

        A senile old man? Yeah, they're scared stiff.

        • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 10/21/2008 9:25:33 PM

          Senile? Yes he's older than Obama, but he isn't senile. Shame on you.

          • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/22/2008 1:03:13 AM

            You're such an idiot. It's almost a shame. You're blogging on a 5th grade level. Leave this one to the big boys.

            Ok, little guy? LOL!!!!!!!!

            • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 10/22/2008 8:15:47 AM

              Leave this one to the big boys? That means you're out, boy. I've read your sophomoric posts... you're immature, arrogant, and of course, a socialist. You really should hang out at the 5th grade level, ultra-liberal Huff n' Puff post site. From what I've read, you'd fit in perfectly!

              • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/22/2008 1:41:48 PM

                Hahahaha...a socialist? You regurgitating puppet. Talk to me AFTER you get the hand out of your azz.

                • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 10/22/2008 9:37:49 PM

                  Dumbass remark from... well, a dumbass!

                  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/23/2008 1:22:23 AM

                    Dance ,Pinnocchio, dance!!! It must be frustrating to be trailing in 12 national polls. Oh wait...chin up guys.....you'll always have the AP.

                    Rookies!!!! So easy to manipulate. You're my entertainment on a boring day. And, you're still going to lose. Why even waste your vote? LOL!!!!!!!

                    • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 10/23/2008 10:01:09 PM

                      What a sickening little fool. You're the one who's been told to take your homo escapades somewhere else. So why don't you?

                      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/24/2008 11:48:22 AM

                        And you're still trying to get the joke, huh? Keep up, idiot!! That was 20 posts ago. Don't you have anything new?

                        Beginners!!!!!

                        • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 10/24/2008 12:53:50 PM

                          What joke? You made the quote, dorkass. Minimize it any way you want, you're good at that.

                          • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/24/2008 1:33:23 PM

                            Still no substance, huh? Your small, frustrated brain continues to lack the skills to discuss the proposed issues I have put forward, or to curb your obsession w/ off-color humor(whether bad or good).

                            I understand your anger, though. If I continued to support a drowning clown and his party, I'd need to vent also. LOL!!!!!!!

                            What a waste. But keep dancing, puppet. This is still fun. i hope you're still here after O's victory party. I'd love to keep this going w/ you. One request.....come up w/ a fresh set of talking points. Thanks!!

              • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/23/2008 1:50:41 AM

                You definitely have the "arrogant" part correct.

                But, for very good reasons......ask your girl..... LOL!!

                • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 10/23/2008 7:43:55 AM

                  LMAO! Why should I do that? She or any other women wouldn't know.... you've already indicated your gay.

                  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/23/2008 12:02:12 PM

                    Huh? Re- read the post, you may get the joke. It's obvious you have a comprehension disability...or, you're projecting. Either way, you're funny, gay, stupid, or delusional.

                    • Posted By: Forty4 @ 10/23/2008 12:52:54 PM

                      You just keep backpedaling, Spice Boi!

                      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/23/2008 4:36:38 PM

                        Back-pedaling? My guy is killing Mcc. What are you talking about?

                        You seem obssessed. LOL!!!!

                        Anything to get your mind off of the circus your supporting, huh?

            • Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/22/2008 10:10:42 AM

              The post says McCain is older that Obama, but he isn't senile.... and that warrants a comment the s/he's an idiot 5th grader. Go figure. Then again, coming from an immature, wimpy little pr!ck like you, it makes perfect sense! This board is for adults junior, so take a hike.

              • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/22/2008 1:40:06 PM

                Ohhhhh, I get it. Butt-buddies.

                In that case I apologize for knocking the d*ck out of your mouth.

                Here ya go, pacify on this.........while looking at Mcc go down the drain.

                LOL!!!!!!!!!!

                • Posted By: Forty4 @ 10/23/2008 8:13:30 AM

                  Hey idiot, no one here wants to know about your homosexuality. If you want to solicit sex with other men, do it some where else.

                  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/23/2008 12:00:17 PM

                    Huh? Re-read the post. Don't just follow suit. I think you might get the joke.

                    • Posted By: Forty4 @ 10/23/2008 12:45:23 PM

                      Re read your own post. Quote: "hear ya go, pacify on this.....?" Pretty friggin' obvious you're a Spice Boi.

                      Take your sick solicitations somewhere else.

                      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/23/2008 4:35:12 PM

                        Then, you certainly didn't get the joke. But, if that makes ya feel better. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

                • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 10/23/2008 9:52:34 AM

                  I agree. Nothing against your sexual preference, but this is gross.... please, take it to the personals in your local paper.

                • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 10/22/2008 6:34:53 PM

                  I knew this little piklldik sissy was light in the loafers!!! And now he's confirmed it!!! LMAO!

                • Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/22/2008 6:28:03 PM

                  So you're gay too...

                  Too bad, you're giving gays a bad name, wimp.

        • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 10/21/2008 9:27:54 PM

          And by the way, age trumps being endorsed by Hamas any day.

      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/23/2008 1:48:56 AM

        BTW, Al Queda has just endorsed a McCain win. Of all sources, FOXNEWS has just reported. It looks like they may be jumping ship along w/ other conservative outlets.

        I love this. Keep going.......

    • Posted By: Latino44million @ 10/21/2008 5:29:23 PM

      Bingo!

  • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 10/23/2008 9:04:20 PM

    KNOWING the similar thinking of Osama and Obama....I'm sure they would just HIGH FIVE each other....after all they are both muslim....and could celebrate the defeat of America, as we have known it.....what's the big difference in Osama bin Laden and Osama be Biden......scary???? HELL YES, Omuslim is the greatest threat that our nation has ever faced...destruction of a country from within...and looking at all the fools who are buying into his "CHANGE" ideals....they're just not smart enoght to ask WHAT KIND OF CHANGE???? Lambs to the slaughter...... McCain/Palin '08

    • Posted By: busy bee @ 10/24/2008 12:37:52 PM

      we as Americans better wake up before it's to late and read everything Obama stands for, he is against the white people and so is his wife, he wants to take from hard working Americans and give to the people thats to lazy to work.We will not be able to worship anything thats not Muslim. He wants socialized medicine, ask people from Canada how they feel about socialized medicine. this just a few things we should worry about,also ask where is he getting all his campaign funds from.

  • Posted By: sirhc @ 10/24/2008 12:11:32 PM

    TERRORISTS DON'T CARE WHO IS PRESIDENT. THEY KILL EACHOTHER IN CLOSE PROXIMITY...........HECK, THEY KILL THEMSELVES! IF ANYTHING INVOKES THEM IT'S THESE 2 REASONS

    1. OSAMA BIN LADEN IS STILL ALIVE 7 YEARS LATER AFTER ORCHESTARTING THE WORST ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOIL EVER. 3000+ KILLED IN LESS THAN 4 HOURS. IF SOMEONE WOULD'VE TOLD YOU THAT WOULD HAPPEN BACK IN 1999 YOU WOULD'VE SAID THE GUY WOULD HAVE A WEEK TO LIVE. 7 YEARS COUNTING AND HE SENDS AUDIO TAPES TALKING TRASH................. EVEN PEOPLE WHO HATE OUR COUNTRY PROBABLY THAT BIN LADEN WOULD'VE BEEN KILLED BY US A LONG TIME AGO.

    2. OUR ECONOMY IS TANKING AND OUR MILITARY IS STRETCHED THIN.

    THAT'S IT-PERIOD-CLOSE THE DISCUSSION

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 10/24/2008 11:12:07 AM

    By JIM RUTENBERG and MARJORIE CONNELLY

    updated 9:11 p.m. ET, Thurs., Oct. 23, 2008

    Senator Barack Obama is showing surprising strength among portions of the political coalition that returned George W. Bush to the White House four years ago, a cross section of support that, if it continues through Election Day, would exceed that of Bill Clinton in 1992, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News polls.

    Underscoring the building strength of Mr. Obama's candidacy in the final phase of the campaign, he was ahead of Mr. McCain among various groups that voted for Mr. Bush four years ago: those with incomes greater than $50,000 a year; married women; suburbanites; white Catholics, and is even competitive among white men, a group that has not voted for a Democrat over a Republican since 1972, when pollsters began surveying people after they voted.

    Stick a fork in it, baby.....This thing is over!!!!!!

    GOBAMA!!!!!!

  • Posted By: cferns1530 @ 10/24/2008 11:11:36 AM

    People are criticizing Obama as a socialist when they have to be remeber that McCain keeps talking about taking on the Wall Street people. And Wall Street people dont earn over 250000? McCain cannot admit that he's supported most of Bush's policies after the same party played the dirty politics on him, which he's playing now. Right up until the Democratic primaries got over he was in the spotlight with Bush and he suddenly flipped like he's different from Bush. No one questioned him much during the primaries cos he was dealing with Republicans and trying to get the Repub Nomination.

    Now that he had to appeal to the nation, his only last resort is throwing anything at Obama and use the Rovian style politics of fear. McCain surrounds himself with the same people who advised Bush. Palin is the best explanation of his judgement. He might still win Obama if he picks Tina Fey for VP.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 10/24/2008 10:13:23 AM

    Jonathon Alter...you're really in the tank with Obama and the rest of the left-wing radical Marxist media networks. Too bad. I can't believe a bloody word you say because its total garbage.

    Anybody who supports Obama is anti-American , a Marxist Socialist and a terrorist sympathizer. Its documented that Obama was influenced by Bill Ayers, Rev Wright, Frank Davis Marshall, Pflegger, Louis Farrakhan, PLO terrorist , etc., all of these people who Obama takes his talking points from and incorporates into his stump speeches and then communicates this to the American people in a tone like a Martin Luther King. Barack Hussein Obama is dangerous , he has an agenda and a bunch of dumb Americans like you Jonathon Alter are voting for him. You should be ashamed of yourselves for the great harm you are about to subject your country too.

    • Posted By: cferns1530 @ 10/24/2008 11:02:13 AM

      if you dont believe a word Alter says then why write? Go watch fOX news or better yet stick to your unexplored country.

  • Posted By: jwild @ 10/24/2008 11:00:46 AM

    I don't think Osama will post a tape. Bush and his cronies might fudge the tape though just like they fudged the evidence to go to war. Osama I think is quite happy that Wall Street is in shambles. Thats just my gut feeling.

  • Posted By: JON BROOKS @ 10/24/2008 10:40:09 AM

    Chew on this peeps. Imadinnerjacket has suddenly gone missing from scheduled apperances etc. around Iran. Of course his health is stated as the reason or is it? Now if I were him with my cadre of suicidal jihadist
    followers I would try to provoke something between myself and Israel and/or USA "after" Nov 4th. GW will do his best, as you know, to kill as many of them as he can for us till he has to leave on Jan 20th then no matter who comes in McCain or Obama no matter, a major change of command during a conflict always hurts the side who is changing more than the other, till they are up to speed that is. Now if its McCain, if I were Imadinnerjacket I would be thinking he might be hesitant to commit more troops because he will remember being a POW and might hesitate to put other fellow Americans in that position. If it were obama well you have a radical constituional lawyer who knows absolutely nothing military..either way its a good move for Imadinnerjacket to try something himself or provoke us or Israel, especially before either has a chance to get to know better and bond with other allied leaders and get their feet wet. As the Chinese say.."May you live in interesting times".

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/23/2008 1:38:08 AM


    RESPONSE TO NINS post below:

    It was always the intent that the clothing go to a charitable purpose after the campaign, s spokesman (Tracey Schmitt) from John McCain's campaign. I don???t understand the dedication of 6 pages in a Newsweek article about this subject, especially given it has been stated and planned from the get go to have all the clothes to go to charity or auctioned off. Anyway. . .

    YOU SAID: The RNC says that later Sarahs clothes will be donated to charity. OK, so some homeless person will get to wear this stuff on the streets of New Orleans. (Maybe this is the RNCs version of trickle down spending.) But wouldn't the homeless be better served by $150,000 donation to a shelter or a food bank than by designer clothing?

    MY RESPONSE: Nins, I am surprised at you making such a cynical (mean-spirited) comment in your blog below. I say this cuz you are a professional like myself and that you must know there are a great many organizations that Governor Palin could contribute this wardrobe to other than to ???homeless people??? as you say. Namely . . . many organizations that help women by donating professional suits, blouses, shoes, etc. to aid them in getting into the workforce and/or furthering venture into a respectable career. That is one area for starters. Come on. . .really now, homeless people?

    SAMPLING OF CHARITIES:

    WARDROBE FOR OPPORTUNITY:

    Wardrobe for Opportunity is a non-profit organization that helps low-income women successfully transition into the workforce.
    http://www.wardrobe.org/

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    DRESS FOR SUCCESS

    Dress for Success is a non-profit organization that helps woman gain employment and journey towards self-sufficiency. This national organization distributes women's business suits and other professional clothing to women around the country. Women receive a business suit, shoes and accessories. Those who are hired receive work outfits. You can bring unwanted interview-appropriate suits, separates, shoes, accessories, unused undergarments and unopened cosmetics to a local Dress for Success affiliate. Some affiliates also accept coats.

    http://www.dressforsuccess.org/supportdfs_donate_clothing.aspx

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    SUITED FOR SUCCESS:

    Suited for Success, Inc. (SFS) is a nonprofit organization providing FREE interview attire for low-income men and women transitioning from social service agencies, domestic violence shelters and a number of job readiness programs.

    http://suitedforsuccessvirginia.org/



    • Posted By: Morgan2008 @ 10/24/2008 4:16:13 AM

      Since many republicans are good at business and increasing the wealth ideas they might offer the clothes as "Gov. Sarah Palin's Campaign Clothes" FOR SALE on ebay and get bids higher than the clothes originally cost and then donate that money to charity. Had you thought of that idea? Governor Sarah Palin's Campaign Clothes could actually make a profit for charity!!! Perhaps she will donote the money raised to Special Needs Children since she said in her Republican Convention Vice President nominee speech that special needs children would receive special attention from her as Vice President..

  • Posted By: obgyn @ 10/23/2008 8:16:52 AM

    You should also ask, what would John McCain do.
    John McCain was taliking like a child in a dream world again yesterday by saying "he's been tested" no he has not. Being in the military and a pow almost 40 years ago does not mean you have been tested as the leader of the free world.
    Some seen to act as if McCain was Rambo and rescued fellow soldiers or held down a fort during heavy fighting, he did not. There are some former POW's and military men who did, does that mean they are better qualified for the presidency?

    John McCain is a 72 year old man who does not have a clue about the technological advances that currently exist. He is a 72 year old man who it has been alleged, was treated for post traumatic stress, he is a 72 year old man who so many on capitol hill have witnessed his violent meltdowns. McCain has not been presidential, he has whined and whined like a baby and world leaders will not respect him, terrorist will not fear him.

    Senator Obama has a steady hand, a brilliant mind, a supportive group of advisors with vast experience, and a spine of steel.

    • Posted By: Morgan2008 @ 10/24/2008 3:49:52 AM

      I guarantee you that terrorists will fear John McCain ten times more than they will Barack Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is a smooth talker...he knows nothing about war and military tactics and strategies or foreign policy. He also doesn't know much about telling the truth. Obama knows how to campaign and sell himself by smooth talking rhetoric. You have to listen closely not to be deceived by Obama. Barack Obama said he would take public campaign financing but he didn't keep his word on that. Barack Obama is trying to buy the presidency of the USA which I think is a total disgrace and mockery of our system...running almost a billion dollar Barack Obama full- time commercial to sell himself as having the experience to be president of the USA and running the most negative ads in history. Obama's lack of experience is laughable!!!.....he should not have even won the primary, but he outspent Hillary Clinton by about 2 or 3 to 1 and now he is spending John McCain 4 to 1. If Americans are so shallow as to be persuaded by non-stop Barack Obama commercials,....who will it be next running for president of America....Osama bin Laden?. NOBAMA!!!!! NOBAMA!!!!!

  • Posted By: obgyn @ 10/23/2008 8:29:51 AM

    John McCain has been a politician longer than he was in the military.
    His experience in the military is so outdated, the man is 72 years old.
    There are many men who were pow's years ago, do you think that means they should become president?

    McCain has not bahaved presidential throughout this campaign.
    He does not put country first because if he did, he would have never considered running a campaign of hate and fear that divided this country.

    His age matter tremendously because Sarah Palin is NOT ready to take over the role of President.
    The only real choice for America is, Senator Obama and Biden, those two are far better than McCain and Palin.

    • Posted By: Morgan2008 @ 10/24/2008 3:29:14 AM

      Since you called McCain's military experience outdated...it is better than zero military experience which is what Barack Obama has...no military experience!!! We still use fighter pilots to take off and land from airstrips aboard battleships which is what John McCain did when he was shot down in Vietnam. Barack Obama has never done that. That type of skill takes a lot of training and nerves of steel...not just a smooth talker like Barack Obama. Perhaps you should go watch fighter pilots perform that feat and you might have more respect for what fighter pilots do. There is no way Barack Obama knows what it is to go to war and he has never been responsible for his own business, an executive of a business, or an executive of government like McCain/Palin. Barack Obama is an extremely high risk candidate for president of the USA. I absolutely do not trust Barack Obama to be capable of handling the job of president of the USA. I think it is extremely dangerous for America if Barack Obama does get elected. NOBAMA!!! NOBAMA!!!
      Will not vote for OBAMA!!!! NOBAMA!!!!!

    • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 10/23/2008 9:23:34 AM

      Reagan's military experience was "outdated" also. However, I'll take McCain's experience any day over Obama, who has none at all. And McCain didn't act presidential in your opinion, I'm assuming because he asked legitimate questions about Obama's character? I dissagree. Actually, it's Obama who hasn't acted presidential in lying about taking public funding and giving almost a million dollars to a front company for Acorn, while knowing they have been caught many prior times for voter fraud.

      And it's Palin who has Executive experience and has governed a state, which is more than Obama can claim. Obama served as a State Senator in Illinois and has accomplished a little on the state level, and now serves as a US Senator. Virtually all of that time was spent writing a book and running for president. I don't think he's had any bills that he's authored that's been signed into law.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/24/2008 12:57:22 AM

    Spread the wealth how.? Look at his past. Obama in this video, addressing his work with ACORN litigation against the banks and relating to the Community Reinvestment Act and the failure of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, as they relate to the current real estate and financial crisis, states that, and I quote:

    "Subprime lending started out as a good idea, helping Americans buy homes who previously could not afford to. Financial institutions created new financial instruments that could securitize these loans, slice them into finer and finer risk categories, and spread them out among investors and around the country, as well as around the world. In theory, this should have allowed mortgage lending to be less risky, and more diversified."

    "The original idea was a good one, which was, lets see if we can distribute risk more broadly, and make it easier to provide loans to people who otherwise might not be able to get one."

    Listen for yourself. You cannot dispute the mans on words recorded live:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related


    Obama in this second video is campaigning at a convention of Acorn and I believe two other ???Community Activist's organizations. Ask if he will be their ally if he becomes President, Obama says, quote:

    "Yes, but let me say that before I even get inaugurated, during the transition we are going to be calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda."

    See and hear it for yourself. Obama promised that Acorn and other groups like it will setting his agenda if elected:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU
    Below is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
    See also
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/164732 from this web site. (oops!) stating that Freddie Mac was spending tax payer money to target Republicans in 2005 who were trying to regulate Fannie and Freddies fraud. Democrats were not targeted, as the were all in the tank with Fannie and Freddie to kill the regulations. Hear that, the article admits that Republicans were trying to regulate Freddie and Fannie, and Democrats were trying to stop it from happening as a means to facilitate the Community Reinvestment Act.

    See also: http://www.newsweek.com/id/164972
    Stating that Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act wasn't what caused the meltdown, and noting that "economists on both sides of the political spectrum have suggested that the act has probably made the crisis less severe than it might otherwise have been."

  • Posted By: doteroad @ 10/23/2008 11:01:17 PM

    Re: the Bin Laden Factor
    I have emailed friends regarding this because Obama will git' Bin Laden, as I tell my redneck friends. I'm in a very red area, and glad to still let them call me friend. But I told them to watch Larry King segment where he lays out his plan to git' him. All McC wants to do is "Bomb, bomb, bomb; bomb-bomb Iran." Luci, jazz singer near Asheville

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/23/2008 10:56:10 PM

    What Bin Ladin, Putin, Ahmadinejad, and others know from history, and Biden admits will be quickly tested if Obama wins:

    Cuba, Vietnam. Laos, Cambodia, Iran, Nicaragua, Somalia, Iraq. Let our friends, allies and the innocents die, by the millions if necessary. Just so long as they are not Americans. We are the Democratic Party, and for 50 years, from the Bay of Pigs to the Basra Highway and beyond, we have never met a fight we could not pressure our government to run away from, or friends and allies we could not abandon. It's the story of our generation. Only the French are more defeatist than we, but together America, we can change that and become number one. And its change we can believe in. Come on America, and vote Democrat. Together, we can re-live that pride we haven't felt since the 1970's. If we just blindly pull together, we really can make this like it is Jimmy Carter's lost second term. Yes we can!

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/22/2008 7:21:14 PM

    What Bin Ladin, Putin, Ahmadinejad, and others know from history, and Biden admits will be quickly tested if Obama wins:

    Cuba, Vietnam. Laos, Cambodia, Iran, Nicaragua, Somalia, Iraq. Let our friends, allies and the innocents die, by the millions if necessary. Just so long as they are not Americans. We are the Democratic Party, and for 50 years, from the Bay of Pigs to the Basra Highway and beyond, we have never met a fight we could not pressure our government to run away from, or friends and allies we could not abandon. It's the story of our generation. Only the French are more defeatist than we, but together America, we can change that and become number one. And its change we can believe in. Come on America, and vote Democrat. Together, we can re-live that pride we haven't felt since the 1970's. If we just blindly pull together, we really can make this like it is Jimmy Carter's lost second term. Yes we can!

    • Posted By: neos @ 10/22/2008 7:30:21 PM

      Hey you, and ixnay on the 'only the French are more defeatist than we' thing. Are you imitating Murtha today??

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/21/2008 3:10:26 PM

    People on these bogs are fond of saying that the current economic meltdown was caused by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac underwriting bad mortgages. While Fannie and Freddie obviously are guilty of writing bad mortgages, and worse, guilty of lobbying Congress to allow them to do so with impunity, their actions are just a small piece of the puzzle when it comes to determining who (or what) caused the financial crisis we face today.

    In 1929 the stock market crash caused the banks to fail, because the banks were in bed with the stock market. Back then, banks owned investment houses, so when the stock market fell, the banks fell too. This triggered the Great Depression. So in 1933 the Congress wrote laws that regulated banking, making it illegal for banks to own investment companies, mortgage guaranty companies or insurance companies. The idea was to keep key industries separated by a fire wall, so that if one industry failed the whole economy would not go down in flames.

    But the Republicans under Bush deregulated the banking industry. Senator Phil Gramm wrote legislation (the Gramm Rudman Act, the Gramm Leach Biley Act, etc.) that stripped away the regulations in the financial and insurance industies. He pushed them through the Republican Congress and they were signed into law by Geo. W. Bush. John McCain voted in favor. Everybody said how great it is to deregulate and create free markets.

    Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch each gave over a million dollars to Senator Gramm's re-election campaign.

    The economic collapse that happened later was a direct result of the deregulation, and here's how: the banks wrote bad mortgages, then bundled the mortgages into investment vehicles that they sold all over the world, and they even got firms like AIG to insure the investments. It was all a house of cards.

    If there had been no deregulation, sure we would have had a bunch of bad mortgages, and the mortgage guaranty and real estate industries would have suffered, but there would not have been a global financial meltdown, since the problem would have been contained in one sector of the economy. You can thank Geo W. Bush, Sen. Phil Gramm and Sen John McCain for the meltdown, since they were strong proponents of deregulation.

    Furthermore, although Fannie and Freddie are now holding the bulk of these bad mortgages, Fannie and Freddie did not originally write most of these mortgages. They bought them after the fact, bundled by banks/investment companies. Fannie and Freddie got screwed by the Wall Street fat cats. And so did you, if you pay taxes.

    What is Phil Gramm doing today? He works as a lobbyist in Washington, trying to make it legal for the Swiss bank he represents to sell Death Bonds in the United States. Nice guy, Phil Gramm. Incidentally, John McCain has said that he wants to appoint Phil Gramm as Treasury Secretary. Some people just can't learn from their mistakes.

    • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 10/23/2008 10:08:15 PM

      Nins... you are full of sh!t!

      Quote: "But the Republicans under Bush deregulated the banking industry. Senator Phil Gramm wrote legislation." Yes, but you conveniently forget that Clinton signed it into law. Nothing was going to happen until he did. Then, years later when Bush and McCain saw the coming catastrophe beginning in 2001, they tried to introduce legislation to avert the mess we're in, but your pals Barney Frank and Chris Dodd voted party line and stopped it. So stop with your pathetic, lying bullsh!t of spinning this and blaming the mess we're in on the republicans... it didn't happen! How many times did your dem pals try to stiop this mess? Zero! And everyone knows it!

    • Posted By: varacefan @ 10/21/2008 4:18:38 PM

      So, you are saying congress pushing the banks to make bad loans had no effect? Also the cost of gas sucking money out of our pockets was not part of the problem. Not to mention the american public spending more than they had to spend thus living pay check to pay check. What you say makes pretty good since but I believe you are choosing to discount other forces to further your political views.

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/21/2008 4:40:40 PM

        i beleive you did not read his post in its entirity...he summed it up very well..lobbyists, deregulation antics across the board, and yes, americans spending beyond they're means got us here plain and simple...gas had a small factor...whats worse...50 bucks at the pump? or a 1600 mortgage you are unable to pay??? at least you can live out of your car...

  • Posted By: den75 @ 10/21/2008 9:00:19 PM

    The socialists won in Spain and it looks like they will win in the U.S.

    • Posted By: neos @ 10/21/2008 9:44:30 PM

      Senator Martinez (FL) has upgraded Senator Obama to Communist today on the repub smearometer. I know it's hard to keep up......

      • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/21/2008 9:54:38 PM

        Yes, and Congressman Murtha upgraded W. PA. from racest to rednecks. What's your point?

        • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 10/23/2008 9:48:53 AM

          Both Obama and Murtha continue to insult Pennsylvanians....

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 10/23/2008 2:06:29 PM

            Sen. John McCain "I couldn't agree more" LOL!

            • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 10/23/2008 9:56:08 PM

              Everyone agrees John al-Murtha is an idiot and insulted Pennsylvanians. He called them racists. And of course, your messiah said they cling to their guns and religion.... My God, if McCain had said any of that you and the left would be nailing him to the cross. And please, spare me the bullsh!t that you wouldn't.

        • Posted By: Pocolodi @ 10/21/2008 10:11:13 PM

          Yeah... but that was after he played footsie in a FBI sting over a 150,000 dollars! Cute video of the jerk!

        • Posted By: neos @ 10/21/2008 10:00:57 PM

          Uh, one is talking about a candidate and the other is talking about his own constituents... do these interconnect??

          cat-photi PH of phone forgot the o part ti of nation

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