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  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 11/01/2008 10:34:29 PM

    The problem with Obama is a simple one. One association does not a radical make. But in Obama's case, the list of left-wing radical mentors and associates is seemingly endless, (Davis, Ayers, Wright, Khalidi , etc., etc.) with a new revelation practically every day. With that, a picture begins to emerge, and that picture is that Obama is as steeped, not in just left-wing political thought, but in radical left-wing and race ideology, to the same extent that Pat Robertson was steeped in the ideology of the radical Religious Right. I would not have voted for Pat Robertson for dog catcher, and for similar reasons, I will not vote for Obama.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/27/2008 8:20:20 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

    2001 Chicago Public Citizen Radio Interview criticizing the Warren Court as not radical enough for not pursuing redistribution of wealth.

    Says that community organizing is for the purpose of assembling the political power to force redistribution of wealth.

  • Posted By: Vote Now @ 10/25/2008 5:40:54 PM

    People on these bogs are fond of saying that the current economic meltdown was caused by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac underwriting bad mortgages. While Fannie and Freddie obviously are guilty of writing bad mortgages, and worse, guilty of lobbying Congress to allow them to do so with impunity, their actions are just a small piece of the puzzle when it comes to determining who (or what) caused the financial crisis we face today.

    In 1929 the stock market crash caused the banks to fail, because the banks were in bed with the stock market. Back then, banks owned investment houses, so when the stock market fell, the banks fell too. This triggered the Great Depression. So in 1933 the Congress wrote laws that regulated banking, making it illegal for banks to own investment companies, mortgage guaranty companies or insurance companies. The idea was to keep key industries separated by a fire wall, so that if one industry failed the whole economy would not go down in flames.

    But the Republicans under Bush deregulated the banking industry. Senator Phil Gramm wrote legislation (the Gramm Rudman Act, the Gramm Leach Biley Act, etc.) that stripped away the regulations in the financial and insurance industies. He pushed them through the Republican Congress and they were signed into law by Geo. W. Bush. John McCain voted in favor. Everybody said how great it is to deregulate and create free markets.

    Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch each gave over a million dollars to Senator Gramm's re-election campaign.

    The economic collapse that happened later was a direct result of the deregulation, and here's how: the banks wrote bad mortgages, then bundled the mortgages into investment vehicles that they sold all over the world, and they even got firms like AIG to insure the investments. It was all a house of cards.

    If there had been no deregulation, sure we would have had a bunch of bad mortgages, and the mortgage guaranty and real estate industries would have suffered, but there would not have been a global financial meltdown, since the problem would have been contained in one sector of the economy. You can thank Geo W. Bush, Sen. Phil Gramm and Sen John McCain for the meltdown, since they were strong proponents of deregulation.

    Furthermore, although Fannie and Freddie are now holding the bulk of these bad mortgages, Fannie and Freddie did not originally write most of these mortgages. They bought them after the fact, bundled by banks/investment companies. Fannie and Freddie got screwed by the Wall Street fat cats. And so did you, if you pay taxes.

    What is Phil Gramm doing today? He works as a lobbyist in Washington, trying to make it legal for the Swiss bank he represents to sell Death Bonds in the United States. Nice guy, Phil Gramm. Incidentally, John McCain has said that he wants to appoint Phil Gramm as Treasury Secretary. Some people just can't learn from their mistakes.

  • Posted By: Vote Now @ 10/25/2008 5:40:46 PM

    People on these bogs are fond of saying that the current economic meltdown was caused by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac underwriting bad mortgages. While Fannie and Freddie obviously are guilty of writing bad mortgages, and worse, guilty of lobbying Congress to allow them to do so with impunity, their actions are just a small piece of the puzzle when it comes to determining who (or what) caused the financial crisis we face today.

    In 1929 the stock market crash caused the banks to fail, because the banks were in bed with the stock market. Back then, banks owned investment houses, so when the stock market fell, the banks fell too. This triggered the Great Depression. So in 1933 the Congress wrote laws that regulated banking, making it illegal for banks to own investment companies, mortgage guaranty companies or insurance companies. The idea was to keep key industries separated by a fire wall, so that if one industry failed the whole economy would not go down in flames.

    But the Republicans under Bush deregulated the banking industry. Senator Phil Gramm wrote legislation (the Gramm Rudman Act, the Gramm Leach Biley Act, etc.) that stripped away the regulations in the financial and insurance industies. He pushed them through the Republican Congress and they were signed into law by Geo. W. Bush. John McCain voted in favor. Everybody said how great it is to deregulate and create free markets.

    Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch each gave over a million dollars to Senator Gramm's re-election campaign.

    The economic collapse that happened later was a direct result of the deregulation, and here's how: the banks wrote bad mortgages, then bundled the mortgages into investment vehicles that they sold all over the world, and they even got firms like AIG to insure the investments. It was all a house of cards.

    If there had been no deregulation, sure we would have had a bunch of bad mortgages, and the mortgage guaranty and real estate industries would have suffered, but there would not have been a global financial meltdown, since the problem would have been contained in one sector of the economy. You can thank Geo W. Bush, Sen. Phil Gramm and Sen John McCain for the meltdown, since they were strong proponents of deregulation.

    Furthermore, although Fannie and Freddie are now holding the bulk of these bad mortgages, Fannie and Freddie did not originally write most of these mortgages. They bought them after the fact, bundled by banks/investment companies. Fannie and Freddie got screwed by the Wall Street fat cats. And so did you, if you pay taxes.

    What is Phil Gramm doing today? He works as a lobbyist in Washington, trying to make it legal for the Swiss bank he represents to sell Death Bonds in the United States. Nice guy, Phil Gramm. Incidentally, John McCain has said that he wants to appoint Phil Gramm as Treasury Secretary. Some people just can't learn from their mistakes.

  • Posted By: Vote Now @ 10/25/2008 5:40:31 PM

    After 9/11, the US government started rounding up Muslims without cause and without due process of law, like we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. The Bush administration called it's main internment camp Guantanamo Bay. While there are certainly many guilty terrorists held in Guantanamo, there are also many innocent American citizens who have been held illegally for years without even being charged with any crime. They have been tortured by our government. Some of them have died.

    Recently the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration in the matter of Guantanamo Bay. The Supreme Court Justices were NOT on the side of the terrorists. They were on the side of the Geneva Convention, that says you can not torture POWs, and on the side of US laws that state you can not imprison a person without charging them with a crime and bringing them to trial. I'm sure that like most Americans, the Justices who voted against the illegal, immoral doings at Guantanamo didn't feel sympathy for the terrorists. They felt sympathy for the laws of AMERICA, the land of the FREE, where even rat finks get a fair trial.

    Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the Bush administration is busy trying to build a smokescreen to hide the CRIMES they have committed. Those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Just think, the National Debt went up over 6 trillion dollars under Bush. More than 2 TRILLION of it went directly into the pockets of Halliburton, a corporation owned by the Cheney family. Halliburton is now a DUBAI corporation and therefore is not subject to US taxes. All that money they took out of the US Treasury is going into the coffers of a MUSLIM country.

    Did you hear about how the US government is being charged millions for Halliburton deliveries of sand into Iraq from Kuwait? Sand. Like there is a shortage of sand in Iraq? Another contractor shipped sand from Idaho to Iraq at our expense. Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz discusses these and other excesses of our current government's out of control spending in Iraq.

    Your grandchildren will be working like slaves to pay off this debt, so that the Bushes and Cheneys can live the high life in Dubai.

    Yeah, they're patriots, Bush&Co. They wear flag pins. And hide the money they stole from America in Dubai.

    And they want me to believe that Obama is a socialist. Right.

    In case you think McCain is any different than Bush, watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

  • Posted By: Vote Now @ 10/25/2008 5:39:43 PM

    After 9/11, the US government started rounding up Muslims without cause and without due process of law, like we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. The Bush administration called it's main internment camp Guantanamo Bay. While there are certainly many guilty terrorists held in Guantanamo, there are also many innocent American citizens who have been held illegally for years without even being charged with any crime. They have been tortured by our government. Some of them have died.

    Recently the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration in the matter of Guantanamo Bay. The Supreme Court Justices were NOT on the side of the terrorists. They were on the side of the Geneva Convention, that says you can not torture POWs, and on the side of US laws that state you can not imprison a person without charging them with a crime and bringing them to trial. I'm sure that like most Americans, the Justices who voted against the illegal, immoral doings at Guantanamo didn't feel sympathy for the terrorists. They felt sympathy for the laws of AMERICA, the land of the FREE, where even rat finks get a fair trial.

    Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the Bush administration is busy trying to build a smokescreen to hide the CRIMES they have committed. Those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Just think, the National Debt went up over 6 trillion dollars under Bush. More than 2 TRILLION of it went directly into the pockets of Halliburton, a corporation owned by the Cheney family. Halliburton is now a DUBAI corporation and therefore is not subject to US taxes. All that money they took out of the US Treasury is going into the coffers of a MUSLIM country.

    Did you hear about how the US government is being charged millions for Halliburton deliveries of sand into Iraq from Kuwait? Sand. Like there is a shortage of sand in Iraq? Another contractor shipped sand from Idaho to Iraq at our expense. Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz discusses these and other excesses of our current government's out of control spending in Iraq.

    Your grandchildren will be working like slaves to pay off this debt, so that the Bushes and Cheneys can live the high life in Dubai.

    Yeah, they're patriots, Bush&Co. They wear flag pins. And hide the money they stole from America in Dubai.

    And they want me to believe that Obama is a socialist. Right.

    In case you think McCain is any different than Bush, watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

  • Posted By: Vote Now @ 10/25/2008 5:39:31 PM

    After 9/11, the US government started rounding up Muslims without cause and without due process of law, like we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. The Bush administration called it's main internment camp Guantanamo Bay. While there are certainly many guilty terrorists held in Guantanamo, there are also many innocent American citizens who have been held illegally for years without even being charged with any crime. They have been tortured by our government. Some of them have died.

    Recently the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration in the matter of Guantanamo Bay. The Supreme Court Justices were NOT on the side of the terrorists. They were on the side of the Geneva Convention, that says you can not torture POWs, and on the side of US laws that state you can not imprison a person without charging them with a crime and bringing them to trial. I'm sure that like most Americans, the Justices who voted against the illegal, immoral doings at Guantanamo didn't feel sympathy for the terrorists. They felt sympathy for the laws of AMERICA, the land of the FREE, where even rat finks get a fair trial.

    Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the Bush administration is busy trying to build a smokescreen to hide the CRIMES they have committed. Those pesky weapons of mass destruction. Just think, the National Debt went up over 6 trillion dollars under Bush. More than 2 TRILLION of it went directly into the pockets of Halliburton, a corporation owned by the Cheney family. Halliburton is now a DUBAI corporation and therefore is not subject to US taxes. All that money they took out of the US Treasury is going into the coffers of a MUSLIM country.

    Did you hear about how the US government is being charged millions for Halliburton deliveries of sand into Iraq from Kuwait? Sand. Like there is a shortage of sand in Iraq? Another contractor shipped sand from Idaho to Iraq at our expense. Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz discusses these and other excesses of our current government's out of control spending in Iraq.

    Your grandchildren will be working like slaves to pay off this debt, so that the Bushes and Cheneys can live the high life in Dubai.

    Yeah, they're patriots, Bush&Co. They wear flag pins. And hide the money they stole from America in Dubai.

    And they want me to believe that Obama is a socialist. Right.

    In case you think McCain is any different than Bush, watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/25/2008 3:22:27 PM

    What do you really know about Obama???s economic philosophy? Since he has never run a town, state or business, he has no record to look at. Oh, he has made lots of promises, but given that he broke his promise to be limited to public campaign funds, you can???t put much faith in that, and there will be means to keep those promises anyway.

    But you do know that Obama, along with his democratic buddies in Congress, personally and professionally advocated for a residential housing policy favoring forced sub-prime lending, which subsequently resulted in massive defaults and foreclosures, leading to your loss of significant equity value in your home, to the point that it destabilized your banks, which panicked the stock market, which wiped out your savings.

    Look and listen to Obama for yourself. Obama in this video, addressing his community activist work and his work representing ACORN in litigation against the banks and relating to the Community Reinvestment Act, and addressing the failure of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae as those actions relate to the destruction of our economy by causing the current real estate and subsequent financial crisis, states that, and I quote:

    "Subprime lending started out as a good idea, helping Americans buy homes who previously could not afford to. Financial institutions created new financial instruments that could securitize these loans, slice them into finer and finer risk categories, and spread them out among investors and around the country, as well as around the world. In theory, this should have allowed mortgage lending to be less risky, and more diversified."

    Acknowledging the catastrophe, but as apologist for the Democrats, Obama then offers this justification.

    "The original idea was a good one, which was, lets see if we can distribute risk more broadly, and make it easier to provide loans to people who otherwise might not be able to get one."

    Yah, great idea. Economically unsound, but embraced by Obama. Listen for yourself. You cannot dispute the mans on words recorded live:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related

    Below is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/25/2008 3:22:18 PM



    See also
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/164732 from this web site. (oops!) stating that Freddie Mac was spending tax payer money to target Republicans in 2005 who were trying to regulate Fannie and Freddies fraud. Democrats were not targeted, as the were all in the tank with Fannie and Freddie to kill the regulations. Hear that, the article admits that Republicans were trying to regulate Freddie and Fannie, and Democrats were trying to stop it from happening as a means to facilitate the Community Reinvestment Act.

    See also: http://www.newsweek.com/id/164972
    Stating that Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act wasn't what caused the meltdown, and noting that "economists on both sides of the political spectrum have suggested that the act has probably made the crisis less severe than it might otherwise have been."

    In the exchange with "Joe the plumber" we find out that Obama really is as radical as his early political acquaintances, Davis, Ayers, Wright, etc., and that he is into the failed economic policy of wealth redistribution. Obama's tax and spending plans alone would be bad enough, but add Reid and Pelosi to the mix, with the three of them controlling both houses of Congress and the executive branch without any effective restraint, and you have something that should causes concern even among moderate Democrats.
    See Wall Street Journal: A Liberal Supermajority:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html

    Their failed policies are what brought us to ruin. Even Bill Clinton says so. Obama and a supermajority of Democrats simply is not the change we need, nor is it change we can afford.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/25/2008 2:42:44 PM

    "A former Newsweek reporter admitted in an article this week that he has no objectivity and imagined disabling Rudy Giuliani so he wouldn't run in the presidential primary race last year.
    Michael Hastings wrote in GQ magazine that he had a "recurring fantasy" that he could somehow stop the former New York City mayor in his tracks.
    "I quickly realized Rudy was a maniac. I had a recurring fantasy in which I took him out during a press conference (it was nonlethal, just something that put him out of commission for a year or so), saving America from the horror of a President Giuliani. If that sounds like I had some trouble being 'objective,' I did. Objectivity is a fallacy," he said."

    http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_7484&pageNum=2

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/55_say_media_bias_bigger_problem_than_campaign_cash

    55% Say Media Bias Bigger Problem Than Campaign Cash

    http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2008/cyb20080819.asp

    Pew Research finds Media Credibility Plummets, Just 30% Believe 'Most Trusted' CNN

  • Posted By: cm4297 @ 10/25/2008 10:13:52 AM

    Well, if we question Obama's affiliations with ACORN, will we also investigate McCain's well hidden affiliations with the organization. During his first presidential bid, the group worked closely with him.

  • Posted By: tbella @ 10/22/2008 1:43:41 PM

    As a 32 y.o. professional female, I couldn't agree more. Sure, retirement is far down the road for me and my peers, but as we work hard to become succesful in our careers, we become saddled more and more with the tax burden. Granted I fall into Obama's middle class that he so thoughtfully panders to, but I don't believe for one minute, given the current economic status (thank you Congressional Democrats who took over in 2006...we were doing just fine, better than fine actually, before you took over), that Obama can actually cut taxes for 95% of Americans and still get us into a forward moving recovery.

    No offense, but I'd prefer to keep the money I earn than have it go to someone who didn't feel the need/motivation to get a good education to then get a good job and continue to work hard and succeed in life. Obama's tax plan GIVES free money to the over 30% of working Americans who do not pay taxes at all...how is that fair? 'Spread the wealth' he says...ok. Maybe I'll quit my job, buy a house I can't afford and wait for the government hand-outs he has in store. Or maybe I'll vote for McCain!!

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/22/2008 1:55:27 PM

      " Granted I fall into Obama's middle class that he so thoughtfully panders to, but I don't believe for one minute, given the current economic status (thank you Congressional Democrats who took over in 2006...we were doing just fine, better than fine actually, before you took over), "

      Are you seriously suggesting that the subprime problem began in 2006?

      For real? LOL.

      • Posted By: tbella @ 10/22/2008 2:33:01 PM

        No, not at all. My comment was directed towards the general economic tailspin. But now that you bring it up, I would however suggest that Clinton's Administration is largely on the hook for the subprime problem that you reference. He has even admitted that his legislation that essentially forced lenders to approve loans for those who could not afford it is 'somewhat' to blame for the current economic crisis. So, no I didn't suggest that the subprime problem began in 2006.

        Take a look back at the economy pre-2006 though, you might be surprised what you find (lower gas prices, an all-time high for the DJ, low unemployment rates, etc.)

        For real!

        • Posted By: r_bennett @ 10/22/2008 3:04:03 PM

          A "professional" would know how to determine blame appropriately. The Clinton Administration's push for increased homeownership doesn't translate into subprime mortgage lending. What is far more appropraite is to examine the capalistic, non-regulation based economy that has presided over the conservative hegemony since W took office. Remember, all three branches were controlled for over 6 years. Inappropate tax policy combined with deregulation has been the cause of this crisis. No 18 months of democratic majority in ONE branch of the federal government.

          • Posted By: tbella @ 10/24/2008 4:28:23 PM

            Actually it does, when the plan pushed/forced lenders to qualify low income families who had no chance of affording their mortgage for the long term. Preying on those who don't know any better by promising low low payments at the offset is irresponsible at best, reprehensible at worst regardless of intent.

          • Posted By: Independent in FL @ 10/22/2008 4:15:59 PM

            Having been a professional in the mortgage industry since 1987 (the year of the S&L scandal), I never saw the type of subprime loans that brought down the industry until the deregulated investment banks (Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, etc.) sent their new wholesale account representative out to the industry.
            The "products" they pushed made no financial sense to me as a trusted advisor to my clients and I showed them the door. Unfortunately, too many of my competitors bought into their garbage and only saw the opportunity to make themselves a lot more money. Now I'm doing my best to reach out to the people who were duped and do what I can to get them into traditional loans. Those without sufficient equity will probably not make it. Once again greed trumped what I consider a fiduciary responsibility.

            • Posted By: care4fun @ 10/24/2008 8:20:01 AM

              Thank God there is at least ONE of you. I was beginning to believe the irresponsiblility was universal. You give me hope. Thank you.

  • Posted By: Vote Now @ 10/23/2008 1:24:05 PM

    People on these bogs are fond of saying that the current economic meltdown was caused by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac underwriting bad mortgages. While Fannie and Freddie obviously are guilty of writing bad mortgages, and worse, guilty of lobbying Congress to allow them to do so with impunity, their actions are just a small piece of the puzzle when it comes to determining who (or what) caused the financial crisis we face today.

    In 1929 the stock market crash caused the banks to fail, because the banks were in bed with the stock market. Back then, banks owned investment houses, so when the stock market fell, the banks fell too. This triggered the Great Depression. So in 1933 the Congress wrote laws that regulated banking, making it illegal for banks to own investment companies, mortgage guaranty companies or insurance companies. The idea was to keep key industries separated by a fire wall, so that if one industry failed the whole economy would not go down in flames.

    But the Republicans under Bush deregulated the banking industry. Senator Phil Gramm wrote legislation (the Gramm Rudman Act, the Gramm Leach Biley Act, etc.) that stripped away the regulations in the financial and insurance industies. He pushed them through the Republican Congress and they were signed into law by Geo. W. Bush. John McCain voted in favor. Everybody said how great it is to deregulate and create free markets.

    Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch each gave over a million dollars to Senator Gramm's re-election campaign.

    The economic collapse that happened later was a direct result of the deregulation, and here's how: the banks wrote bad mortgages, then bundled the mortgages into investment vehicles that they sold all over the world, and they even got firms like AIG to insure the investments. It was all a house of cards.

    If there had been no deregulation, sure we would have had a bunch of bad mortgages, and the mortgage guaranty and real estate industries would have suffered, but there would not have been a global financial meltdown, since the problem would have been contained in one sector of the economy. You can thank Geo W. Bush, Sen. Phil Gramm and Sen John McCain for the meltdown, since they were strong proponents of deregulation.

    Furthermore, although Fannie and Freddie are now holding the bulk of these bad mortgages, Fannie and Freddie did not originally write most of these mortgages. They bought them after the fact, bundled by banks/investment companies. Fannie and Freddie got screwed by the Wall Street fat cats. And so did you, if you pay taxes.

    What is Phil Gramm doing today? He works as a lobbyist in Washington, trying to make it legal for the Swiss bank he represents to sell Death Bonds in the United States. Nice guy, Phil Gramm. Incidentally, John McCain has said that he wants to appoint Phil Gramm as Treasury Secretary. Some people just can't learn from their mistakes.

    • Posted By: rdunton @ 10/23/2008 1:39:20 PM

      I'm not so sure that we would have even had a financial meltdown at all without de-regulation. If these companies and the credit card companies had been regulated, as they have in the past, people would not see the outrageous interest rate increases that occurred with de-regulation, because they would have more than likely been capped? Maine used to have a usury law that capped interest at 18%. Personally, I think that it should be even lower than that. From what I have read, so did many other states.

      Credit card payments are generally calculated as a percentage of the balance plus interest charges. Because of the lower interest rates, people would have had lower payments and been MORE likely to be able to pay their bills. Regulation of these industries certainly could have alleviated, if not completely eliminated, the financial meltdown.

      • Posted By: marley07 @ 10/23/2008 10:01:19 PM

        You are killing me man. I am seriously on the ground laughing at you uneducated you must be. Credit card companies had absolutley ZERO to do with the credit mess. Wow. You have no idea what you are talking about. For all readers who want some humor, read this person's posts.

        • Posted By: rdunton @ 10/24/2008 12:58:23 AM

          How uneducated I must be? Hmmmm....

          A four year degree in business administration must be your idea of uneducated. I don't know how old you are, but I remember a time in America when people didn't used to have to tear others down to prove a point. They used logic and reasoning to attempt to prove what they were saying. In addition, they used their positive qualities to build themselves up, instead of running down others like you are doing to me.

          • Posted By: care4fun @ 10/24/2008 8:41:50 AM

            You are right, he has issues, every one of his posts are abusive.

        • Posted By: rdunton @ 10/24/2008 12:40:26 AM

          If you actually thought about it, it had quite a bit to do with it. Perhaps it didn't affect everyones ability to pay their mortgages, because some people don't have credit cards, but most do. Since their interest rates are so high and credit card payments are based on a percentage of the balance plus the interest charges, their minimum payments increased, therefore making it harder to make their mortgage payments and other bills. Does it make sense now?

        • Posted By: rdunton @ 10/24/2008 12:35:23 AM

          marley,

          maybe you are the one that ought to do some research and not be a blind Republican sheep.

  • Posted By: jlgab @ 10/22/2008 1:49:42 PM

    For Bush to start a war off lies and not be held accountable, furthermore then getting RE-elected after all his lies, corruption, and ever embarrassingly stupid speeches, is truly beyond comprehension and a warped sense of patriotism. Along comes McCain who supports Bush's corrupt war and wants to become president - unbelievable. A true insult to the service of veterans especially the vets who never returned home.

    • Posted By: care4fun @ 10/24/2008 8:13:13 AM

      730 metric tons of enriched uranium has been taken out of Iraq. I suppose you believe Saddam enriched it for peaceful purposes?

  • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/22/2008 2:28:30 PM

    to jlgab: From a small business perspective. We are already prepared not to fill a vacancy or hire the new positions we were interested in creating because the money for these positions will be going for increased taxes. We are not working 80 hrs plus to give all our income away. Obama = less jobs. That helps no one.

    • Posted By: care4fun @ 10/24/2008 8:10:02 AM

      How do you figure? The only way you will be taxed more is if you pay yourself 250K clear or more. Reinvest in your business, pay yourself less on paper and avoid the 3% increase, like it would kill you.....

    • Posted By: LCanola @ 10/22/2008 2:38:19 PM

      Perhaps you are just not meant to be in business. Some people aren't, you know. If you are really making more than $250,000 per year profit, you can pay a little more.

      • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/22/2008 2:49:05 PM

        We are actually successful. But I appreciate you deciding for us what we should pay. Between federal, state, and local taxes I believe we are paying well more than our share of the tax burden. Perhaps you should work harder and contribute more rather than look to others to do your share.

        • Posted By: tpratt @ 10/22/2008 3:00:55 PM

          actually, you would be recieving a tax credit for each new employee you hire under obamas plan. Also, there is a HUGE different between $250K in PROFIT or INCOME. Your business can make millions in profit every year and you will not get taxed more under Obama. You will only get taxed more if your personal INCOME is over 250K. Your tax increase will be the same as it was under Clinton.

          • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/22/2008 3:07:49 PM

            Also if your semi-self employeed and cannot incorporate there is no "business tax return" and then a seperate personal one". They are one in the same. Also many deductions for the business must be spread over years and not all expenses cannot be deducted. It is more complicated then you are making it.

            • Posted By: Independent in FL @ 10/22/2008 4:01:11 PM

              Seems to me you need a better accountant and/or legal advisor. Ever heard of LLC with election to file as a corporation? I've been semi-self employed as well as self-employed for over 25 years. There's nothing in Obama's plan that would ever keep me from hiring more people to increase my revenues. I could actually use the tax credit to increase my customer service staff! Where's your creativity and business accumen?

          • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/22/2008 3:05:42 PM

            Total bull. The tax credit is small and only for one year. Big deal. What people need to understand is if you work very hard, provide jobs, take all the risk, there should be rewards. If there is not we could just work for someone else and say go tax others to pay for all our needs. Under Obama 44 percent pay no taxes. The top wage earners (which we are not in this category) pay most of the taxes now. They are doing more than there share. I don't resent their success. Others should not either.

      • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/22/2008 2:52:48 PM

        Also with people with attitudes like yours. Why would anyone want to go into business. You sure want their productivity and income while you sneer at them. People who are thinking of starting a business should think long and hard.

  • Posted By: MegaDeath @ 10/24/2008 8:08:31 AM

    This is Good that Wall Street heads for big decline as recession fears stir panic. In order to get out of an recession is to allow the markets around the world to go under and let Infation increase as far as it can go. Once the world is in a tailspin, like the depression of the '30's, a world war is needed to revive the global economy. This is how jobs are produced and people will have money to spend, the markets will begin to improve.

  • Posted By: arazeth @ 10/22/2008 3:11:13 PM

    Meh. Been mired in student loan debt since I was 18, now I've got a mortgage to boot. Gave up on the idea of kids since I knew I couldn't afford them. I'm an artist with a survival job, and I never expected to have any money, so I vote based on my ideals, not on who's going tax me the least.

    • Posted By: care4fun @ 10/24/2008 8:05:57 AM

      Fabulous. A comment with truth in the content.

  • Posted By: DaveWK @ 10/22/2008 7:24:00 PM

    For good reason, Obama has energized young voters with his vision for positive change. He has the long view on environmental protection. He will resist putting young soldiers in harm's way. His tax plan will favor those early in their professional careers. He will support education and student aid far more that would McCain. Young voters understand all this, and overwhelmingly will support Obama.

    • Posted By: femalebizowner @ 10/22/2008 8:33:57 PM

      Snap out of it! He will NOT do any of these things and you're being led down the proverbial garden path...Our young soldiers will be in an even bigger harm's way than EVER before (just ask Joe Biden, he knows what's coming our way and he said it out loud where we could all hear it). The truth be told, this is all a bill of goods wrapped up in a spoon full of sugar. Smooth talk and scary friends do NOT equal safety or protection. WAKE UP!

      • Posted By: care4fun @ 10/24/2008 7:57:41 AM

        So Joe Biden is now clairvoyant? He is aware of some as yet unforeseen terrorist "test" awaiting only Obama? You Republicans are certainly grasping at straws. I am an independent and NO way am I going to vote for McCane and the pet pony. Oh, yeah, they let her speak this week, like Mr Ed...

      • Posted By: rdunton @ 10/23/2008 12:43:50 PM

        I hear people ask why politicians don't tell the truth. To be honest with you, when Biden who gave you the truth and not just what you want to hear results in a reaction like yours, I think the reason is evident why politicians choose not to tell the truth.

    • Posted By: ThinkingBeing @ 10/23/2008 12:39:12 AM

      Also, Obama's vision for energy indepence will create jobs while keeping the money that individuals spend on energy here instead of overseas. That is a big economic boost in itself. Republicans have resisted and even deterred the search for alternative energy technology.

  • Posted By: carmenincali @ 10/23/2008 2:27:52 AM

    I'm under 35, I'm upwardly mobile and I'm AGAINST BARRACK OBAMA. And yes, I'M MAD!!! First of all, I want to say I'm angry with the chosen nievity amongst my peers in current events, or just the fundamentals. If I have to explain to a 30 year old man where the country of Indonesia is again, i'm going to scream. This is why a 30 something Gen Y woman is not married at her age. When Obama said that he wanted to bomb Pakistan, not one person in his audience shuddered. Pakistan has NUKES.
    Also, a lot of my peers who blindly follow Obama do not know the difference between income and revenue, nor do they know the difference between a sole proprietorship and a corporation. They don't know because the masses are STILL feeding their insecurities with either drama or pot.

    Next I would like to blame the Boomers. You priced us out of the real estate market to suffice YOUR nest egg. The real estate market was UNREGULATED. UNREGULATED means NOT SAFE!!! Especially since the 300% CPI and it IS volatile. Only in America will the most selfish group of adults cut out chances and opportunities for their own collectively for their own gain. So they can waste it on a stupid time share in Puerte Vallarte. You idiots think that the president is supposed to solve all of your woes when you overlook Pelosi's garbage.

    The real wages are going down since some of y'all are cutting costs (and not increasing production) by sending jobs overseas and sending us into a massive trade deficit with CHINA. Thanks for hiring illegals when teenagers could use that money to save for college. Thanks for selling us out JERKS!!! .

    I don't know why I'm supposed to vote for Barrack Obama. I WISH THE OBAMABOTS WOULD GET OUT OF MY HAIR. JUST BECAUSE I'M GEN Y DOES NOT MEAN I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA. I CAN'T STAND THE GUY. Ick!!! And yes I'm voting. For McCain. His education vouchers convinced me to do so since most of my peers are the product of the public school system.

    Obama has NO respect for working class Americans. That jerk never did an honest day's work in his life. He trashed his granny who paid for him to attend a private school in Hawaii. He got by on Affirmative Action. Gees, Asians can't get into Harvard with a better GPA. EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS.

    Am I angry? Yes. Career growth is completely hindered. Handouts stunt career growth. We're BEYOND BROKE. And Fannie Mae wants her money back for student loans. After being gouged by some GREEDY landlords and gas prices, there's not much money left to pay for upward mobility, an education, or even the basics. We can't save. We can't gain control over our own affairs. Let's look at the people who don't have trust fund parents now, we're out here. Sorry they're focusing on Paris Hilton, you can't afford her. Don't blame me for having any ambition. This is America, we have a RIGHT to be ambitious.

    • Posted By: care4fun @ 10/24/2008 7:48:40 AM

      Pakistan has nukes? Since when? Syria has nukes, not Pakistan

  • Posted By: 1easylay @ 10/24/2008 6:16:34 AM

    Comment: Forst of all, I am a lady. An older, quite old actually, working professional lady. I work in medicine, and all who disagree with me can kindly kiss my as_.

    Thios election is not only for us. It is for the good of the World. WE ARE the light of the worl, like it or not. We are not the oinly ones suffering. We are all in this together and when the sh_t hits the fan, the World looks to us. They might not admit it..............or even know it, but they do. For it is us who stand for freedom, rights, order, kindess, temperance, intelligence, love of God, faith in self and most of all, HUMANITY.

    The world is watching with baited breath.................wondering..................bemused by the presumably angry little giant, the country with the "good" people, the country folk who agree with attacking soviergn nations with no legitimate proof and decimating a whole people, with little or no remorse. Who are pro life, but pro death penalty, as well. Who consume more resources than anyone else wastefully, and then espouse conservation.

    We have been beaten, raped, pillaged, defiled, humiliated and left for dead by our current Republinist administration. To let it continue would be massochism and we surely aren't for that....................are we? To let Bush have another 4 years.....................with that woman, and I use the term loosely after listening to her venomous, divisive hogwash for the last 2 months, cause that's what McCain is..................and older...................MUCH older version pf Bush with the temperament of a pitbull (no lipstick) and the steadiness of the San Andreas fault we are saying we will settle for less than the best and quite possibly, as far from the best that is imaginable and elect a man who throws racal epitath's around like a hackey sack and get's so angry when questioned that his fat white head turns blue and SUPPPORTS Caribou Barbie and thinks she's the MOST qualified VP pick ever.

    The world mocks us. They laugh at us, they feel pity for us, they don't get us and they really don't care about us.

    But, they copy us and we ultimately set the precedent for humanity and steady governance with a conscience and just purpose. If we fail, the whole world will soon follow. After all................in other countries when all hope is lost, hope is dashed and dreams are killed, where do they want to go.......................AMERICA BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Let's show them we value intelligence, reasoning, hope and just policies for all, not just the wealthy. Let's show 'em we can be great again and lead the world through the Energy revoultion like we did with the Industrial one and give hope to the world, again.

    It's time to start over. You can't but bad milk backin the fride and hope it will come out better tomorrow, which is exactly what voting anohter Republinist into the office would be ike doing.

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