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The View From ‘Nowhere’

Our town in Alaska sorely needed a bridge to its airport. Instead, we became a national punch line.

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  • Posted By: Gos Blank @ 01/27/2009 11:25:21 AM

    drunta wrote: "What the mayor didn't do... is explain why I should pay for it. ... I have my own bridges and road maintenance to pay for and my own community's economic needs to finance."

    Drunta,

    Your bridges and road maintenance are paid for from the same federal highway funds that maintain our highways and bridges across the nation. Yes, they're your tax dollars, but they're also Alaskans' tax dollars as well, and they are as entitled to them as your own community.

    Here's my explanation of why you should pay for it: The standard of living that you enjoy would be impossible if not for the federally-funded transportation infrastructure that maintains roads and bridges throughout the country, regardless of a given state's revenue picture.

    Do you enjoy Florida oranges, Washington apples, Maine lobsters, and/or (let's not forget) Alaskan king crab? How do you think these items arrive at your grocery store, stiill fresh? Do you think Scotty beams them there?

    What if those Florida oranges had to detour around Alabama and Mississippi, or be transferred to a rail car to travel through those states, because their taxpayers simply couldn't afford to maintain highways? Do you think that the oranges would still be as fresh when they arrived at your local grocer? And how much would they cost, if your purchase price included several such transfers between rail and trucks? (This is not a dig against Alabama and Mississippi -- my reference is based upon geographic considerations, not economic ones. If Alabama and Mississippi had no highways, this would mean a long detour through Georgia for freight trucks entering and leaving Florida. If I-10 didn't run all the way from Florida to California, it would be nearly impossible for Florida's orange growers to supply more than half of the country.)

    That's the problem with most Americans -- we just don't see the bigger picture. We'll make a big deal out of our tax dollars building bridges in Alaska, without bothering to consider the obvious fact that Alaskans pay taxes which help us to maintain I-10 so that we can all enjoy Florida's oranges, and so that Florida can benefit economically from the sale of its crops.

    Why should you pay for it? Because you benefit from it. It's that simple.

  • Posted By: Gos Blank @ 01/27/2009 11:14:07 AM

    drunta wrote: "What the mayor didn't do... is explain why I should pay for it. ... I have my own bridges and road maintenance to pay for and my own community's economic needs to finance."

    Drunta,

    Your bridges and road maintenance are paid for from the same federal highway funds that maintain our highways and bridges across the nation. Yes, they're your tax dollars, but they're also Alaskans' tax dollars as well, and they are as entitled to them as your own community.

    Here's my explanation of why you should pay for it: The standard of living that you enjoy would be impossible if not for the federally-funded transportation infrastructure that maintains roads and bridges throughout the country, regardless of a given state's revenue picture.

    Do you enjoy Florida oranges, Washington apples, Maine lobsters, and/or (let's not forget) Alaskan king crab? How do you think these items arrive at your grocery store, stiill fresh? Do you think Scotty beams them there?

    What if those Florida oranges had to detour around Alabama and Mississippi, or be transferred to a rail car to travel through those states, because their taxpayers simply couldn't afford to maintain highways? Do you think that the oranges would still be as fresh when they arrived at your local grocer? And how much would they cost, if your purchase price included several such transfers between rail and trucks? (This is not a dig against Alabama and Mississippi -- my reference is based upon geographic considerations, not economic ones. If Alabama and Mississippi had no highways, this would mean a long detour through Georgia for freight trucks entering and leaving Florida. If I-10 didn't run all the way from Florida to California, it would be nearly impossible for Florida's orange growers to supply more than half of the country.)

    That's the problem with most Americans -- we just don't see the bigger picture. We'll make a big deal out of our tax dollars building bridges in Alaska, without bothering to consider the obvious fact that Alaskans pay taxes which help us to maintain I-10 so that we can all enjoy Florida's oranges, and so that Florida can benefit economically from the sale of its crops.

    Why should you pay for it? Because you benefit from it. It's that simple.

  • Posted By: drunta @ 01/21/2009 4:38:53 PM

    I have no problems with a community trying to defend its needs and reputation. What the mayor, didn't do, however, is explain why I should pay for it. Alaskans pay no state income taxes. In fact, they pay their own citizens from oil revenues. The bridge would have been on par in size and cost of the Golden Gate bridge. It would have been beautiful and appreciated by the local citizens. But if they need it so darn much, then should finance it with their own tax dollars and not mine. I have my own bridges and road maintenance to pay for and my own community's economic needs to finance.

  • Posted By: Riverskater @ 01/08/2009 11:02:39 AM

    If it had been widely reported that 14.000 people lived in Ketchikan the "bridge to nowhere" tag would been shown to be the obvious fiction that it is.

  • Posted By: Ron406 @ 10/26/2008 2:21:19 AM

    I have had to travel to Ketchikan every summer to do repairs there because there was not a repairman there. I traveled from Tacoma, Wa and went thru that airport many times. Unless you have actually been there it is impossible to really comment on this situation. Yes there is a ferry... but many times thru the year ground fog closes in on the ferry and prevents it from docking because of lack of visability. The fog does not go high enough to close the airport but you cannot reach the airport during those times... I have spent up to 4 days there over and above planned time waiting for the fog to clear. This also works the way around ... the storms can bring winds high enough to prevent the ferry from also docking. Many times this is the only way in or out of Ketchikan for emergencies. How would you feel if the only major medical help was only available by way of the airport.... can see it ...but still cannot get out? I had many good friends there who used to travel down to Seattle to go shopping once evey couple of months.... Flying is very much like our interstates are used in the lower 48.
    Because of all the time I spent there, I want to wish all of Ketchikans people good luck and I hope the Roller Bay cafe is still there as well as I hope the gym and community center out where the longhouse and totems are has been rebuilt ... The last I heard the roof had been caved in during a snow storm a few years ago. I used to repair organs and install sound systems there and built many friendships.
    Never judge what is needed until you walk a mile in their shoes... AK is NOTHING like the "lower 48"
    Ron

    • Posted By: Wolf Wolfman @ 10/26/2008 9:24:49 AM

      I don't care if you are a senator. The bridge is "wanted", not "needed". If the ferry won't work, try helicopter shuttles or something else.

      • Posted By: akchick1971 @ 10/27/2008 1:31:03 PM

        Weather is often a problem here. Helicopters can't operate in weather that the ferry can't operate in. Come visit us and see what we've got to work with before you judge.
        Just for the record, I'm against the bridge and I was born and raised in Ketchikan. I'm a property owner, tax payer and I feel the feds haven't done us any favors. I lost a lucrative job when the Dems and Bill Clinton decided to close down the Tongass National Forest to logging. I'm tired of people 3,000 miles away making decisions for me and my home town when they haven't a clue what it means to live here.
        Walk a mile before you judge.

        • Posted By: Wolf Wolfman @ 10/28/2008 10:00:59 AM

          My location has nothing to do with logic.

          • Posted By: resofketchikan @ 11/10/2008 8:19:50 PM

            Come pay us a visit before you start telling us what is best for us or making assumptions about our community. I don't support the bridge but I am also getting tired of being considered nowhere just because our population is small doesn't mean we are nowhere... My guess is that 80% of the population in the United States would not be able to handle living here or any of the small communities in Southeast or anywhere in Alaska for that matter. Give it a try for awhile before you pretend to have answers for everything.

    • Posted By: Wolf Wolfman @ 10/27/2008 8:50:49 AM

      Earmarks (Pork Spending)
      The following came from "Citizens Against Government Waste". A link to the article is below.
      An examination of the Heritage Foundation???s database of the earmarks in the fiscal 2008 omnibus appropriations bill revealed the total number received by Presidential candidates from the Senate and House: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.), 261; Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), 57; Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.), 52; Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), 46; Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), 10; Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), 9, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), 6; and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), 0.
      http://councilfor.cagw.org/site/News2?abbr=CCAGW_&page=NewsArticle&id=11177

  • Posted By: viliamulelua @ 10/26/2008 12:00:42 AM

    Did I read the numbers correctly? A $398 million bridge for 14,000 people so they could avoid a seven minute ferry ride? (Check the appropriate websites)

    At the same time, we have dozens, and probably hundreds, of aged bridges across the country that need to be replaced.

    Pardon me, but doesn't this issue involve a skewed sense of priorities?

    I understand that small, rural communities need disproportionate goverment support, but this level strikes me as WAY out of line.



    • Posted By: akresident @ 10/26/2008 12:49:06 AM

      How much do you think those brifges in need of repair cost to begin with (compartively) This bridge to the Ketchikan Airport is not in order to avoid a 7min. trip to the airport. If that's what you think possibly you should spend 30min. standing out in the rain, cold, and wind with all your baggage, your kids, and your pet just to leave your home town. That is if the ferry is on time and if you haven't missed it. Then spend if you are a traditional family of 4 $20 to cross the channel in order to go on vacation, see relatives, go somewhere north or south for work, or anywhere for that matter. Mind you this is a one way ticket when you come home it's the same thing all over again. Ketchikan has an annual precipitaion of over 100 inches. This rain falls in sheets NOT nice warm drizzle, sometimes cold cuts you to the core freezing rain. How would you like to stand out in that for sometimes 45min. to 1hr. with your new born baby, this is what women who come from small villages to have their babies in Ketchikan do. You people who live in the lower 48 don't have the first clue about how we live or what it is we need. You speak of us as though we're not even the 49th state. We are treated like the red headed step child and sometime people that come to Alaska don't even know they are still in the USA, they think they are in CANADA!!!! I read the comments here on the News week story and I see that this is the concensus view. YOU don't want to spend YOUR money on ALASKA'S bridge. I pay taxes my money goes to you and what you need, you want our money but we're just supposed to shut up and take it in the hind end from you AMERICANS.What do you think I am? Divide the amount received per year per person by 12 months and it's not that much money after all, and at the end of the year we pay taxes on that money every man, woman, and child that received a PFD pays. I don't think that makes it free money. We pay federal taxes, sales tax, phone tax, school tax, and our buses aren't owned by the School District, nor does Ketchikan have a city fire department that will put your fire out you have to pay the fire department every year for them not to watch your house burn to the ground. I think you should know what you are speaking on before you open your mouth and give your namby pamby opinion. Come live here (wait don't come here we don't want you). Alaska welcomes all visitors, NOW GET BACK ON THE BOAT!!!!

      • Posted By: Wolf Wolfman @ 10/26/2008 4:19:21 PM

        The ferry is fine. You might want to consider a helicopter shuttle. You want an earmark for the bridge? Forget it.

        • Posted By: resofketchikan @ 11/10/2008 7:47:55 PM

          I completely agree with your description of how the weather in Ketchikan can be awful and waiting for that ferry is not pleasant when it is raining sideways. I've been there. Numerous times and can speak from experience, I also know that people have no idea what they are talking about when they come to Ketchikan. There have been countless times when people have asked me if they are in the United States. Seriously? It's ridiculous and obnoxious.

  • Posted By: michaelstark @ 11/01/2008 9:42:12 PM

    Dear Dave:

    Enjoyed your article on the so called Bridge to No Where. It kind of brought a tear to my eye. Seems those of us down here in California pay federal highway taxes. For every $1 we pay in we never get back our dollar. In fact the last time I could find a record, we here in California got back only a little over 85 cents. Since we are a heavly populated state, that's a lot of money going to Washington DC and not coming back to us. So we increase our taxes to make up the difference. We are now some $10 billion dollars in the red this year. Now as I understand it, your senator Mr. Stevens has secured a hefty return of my tax dollar taken from my pocket and given to Alaska. While the Bridge to No where was NOT built, the highway funds were not returned to Washington D.C. but kept by your state government. Now this past year your state has had a hefty return on oil tax revenue. Instead of using these funds to build your bridge, the money was given to the citizens of Alaska. That's fine and dandy.... But gee Dave, would it not have been wiser to use this money on your bridge. Alaska reminds me of Iraq's government. The government of Iraq has billions stashed in U.S. banks from their oil revenue. Instead of using these funds to put the people of Iraq to work, they have back filled their deficit with money from Uncle Sugar. It's a great con game that Alaska and Iraq are playing. So, yes I have a tear in my eye over your bridge. My taxes will be raised. You'll get a refund from your oil revenue. And I'm sure Uncle Sugar will build your bridge with money sent to you from my pocket. Mike Stark
    Screwed Retiree in California

    • Posted By: farside @ 11/09/2008 7:03:03 PM

      Mike,
      Uncle Sugar spent a lot of my tax dollars rebuilding the Oakland Bay Bridge a couple of years ago and he spent a awful lot of my money sending fire fighters to California over the last several years. Was your house in the way of those fires? I didn't protest when he spent those dollars. Alaska is a soverieign state of the USA. Their government has to decide their priorities like every other state determines their priorities. Apparently California decided that the Oakland Bridge was important enough to rebuild. Alaska decided that the bridge was important to them. It's not up to us in the lower 48 to tell them what their priorities should be. Louisianna decided it was more important to build bridges to their casinos then it was to reinforce their levees. I didn't protest their decision. Did You?

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/03/2008 5:08:41 PM

    Obama said he denounced and left the radical Trinity United Church but it???s not true!!

    Obama has Trinity United pastor Rev Ottis Moss accompanying him on his campaign!!

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/03/2008 4:27:05 PM

    More and more disturbing stuff on Obama's past and his real intentions are just starting to surface.

    As I predicted over a year ago .... Obama is a big fraud and America is being duped !!

  • Posted By: roadee @ 11/03/2008 2:59:44 PM

    Evidently ( if it was really agreed the bridge would be built ) our government does not always do what it says. On the other side of the coin earmarks should be outlawed, anything worht it's salt should be able to stand on its own not piggy back on something that actually benefits our country as a whole. Wake up America it is not just what benefits you, your community or your state, but rather should be what is in the best interest of the United States of America.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/02/2008 5:20:16 AM

    Number of unrepentant terrorist friends with anti-American views for Obama = 57

    Number of unrepentant terrorist friends with anti-American views for McCain = 0

    The choice is obvious...vote for the patriot and war hero...JOHN MCCAIN!!

    • Posted By: ShanaCat @ 11/03/2008 1:59:54 PM

      What a loser you are. You think you come up with a clever little statement so you post it all over Newsweek, including this article which has NOTHING to do with anything you just posted. My bet is you didn't even read the above article. You are just so infatuated with your own words you just want to post the same thing over and over again wherever anyone can read it to stroke your own ego. Guess what, you present no new ideas, very few facts, and your argument is poorly written. You're not impressing anyone, you're just clogging up the boards with off topic remarks.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/02/2008 10:50:43 PM

    BREAKING NEWS ALERT....

    Obama taped conversation with San Francisco Chronicle states his policies ???will bankrupt coal mining operations that produce gas emissions in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia and North Carolina
    which it will cause energy prices to skyrocket....." .....more info nobody knew until now about what Obama wants to do!!

    • Posted By: ShanaCat @ 11/03/2008 1:53:25 PM

      What a loser you are. You think you come up with a clever little statement so you post it all over Newsweek, including this article which has NOTHING to do with anything you just posted. My bet is you didn't even read the above article. You are just so infatuated with your own words you just want to post the same thing over and over again wherever anyone can read it to stroke your own ego. Guess what, you present no new ideas, very few facts, and your argument is poorly written. You're not impressing anyone, you're just clogging up the boards with off topic remarks.

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 11/02/2008 11:15:06 PM

    The Wall Street crisis was planned the night of Obama's meeting at Bill Ayres home to put Obama in The White House. Together they put a beautiful plan into place.

    This Strategy was first elucidated in the 1966 issue of 'The Nation' Magazine by a pair of radical Socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven.

    David Horowitz summarizes it as:

    "The strategy of forcing political change through an orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of Capitalism by overloading the Government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
    unquote

    Obama begin with ACORN by funneling millions into their organization. He then trained ACORN to stage protests in banks to force them to issue risky loans or they would be threatened to face racial charges. ACORN was trained to intimidate financial institutions into giving ???Ninja??? loans to people with NO assets, NO job and NO income, who couldn???t afford these loans.

    That caused the housing bubble two years ago it was by ACORN's actions they were able to destroy our credit system.

    As this played out, D-Barney Frank and D-Chris Dodd were able to cover up the millions of improvident loans to these bad risky house buyers. And Barney Frank and his chums successfully were able to block all of President Bush's attempts to put a rein on this problem.

    So Fannie & Freddie was forced to purchase all these failed subprime mortgages.

    Then both Frank and Dodd denied that there were any problems, and refused the Bush Admin. requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and they were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost up to the 'minute they failed'.

    Democrats then blamed Bush saying it happened on his watch knowing it would hurt the Republican Party in the election setting it up that Barack Obama could use this to his advantage.

    Karl Marx once compared a Revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface.

    Barack Obama is that Marxist mole !

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/02/2008 5:52:23 PM

    Obama's Links To Radicals Starting To Surface!! www.newsmax.com/timmer

    Obama-Farrakhan Ties Are Close, Ex-Farrakhan Aide Says

    A former top deputy to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan tells Newsmax that Barack Obama???s ties to the black nationalist movement in Chicago run deep, and that for many years the two men have had ???an open line between them??? to discuss policy and strategy, either directly or through intermediaries.

    ???Remember that for years, if you were a politician in Chicago, you had to have some type of relationship with Louis Farrakhan. You had to. If you didn???t, you would be ostracized out of black Chicago,??? said Dr. Vibert White Jr., who spent most of his adult life as a member and ultimately top officer of the Nation of Islam.
    White broke with the group in 1995 and is now a professor of African-American history at the University of Central Florida in Orlando.
    White said Obama was ???part of the Chicago scene??? where Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. and radicals would go to each other???s events and support each other???s causes.
    ???Even though Chicago is the third-largest city in the country, within the black community, the political and militant nationalist community is very small. So it wouldn???t be uncommon for [Obama and Farrakhan] to show up at events together, or at least be there and communicate with each other,??? White told Newsmax.
    The Anti-Defamation League has denounced Farrakhan and his Nation of Islam as a ???hate group.???
    Farrakhan has called Jews ???bloodsuckers,??? ???satanic??? and accused them of running the slave trade. He has labeled gays as ???degenerates.??? In a 2006 speech, the ADL again condemned Farrakhan when he said: ???These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood that is seeding the American people and the people of the world and bringing you down in moral strength. ??? It's the wicked Jews the false Jews that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality. It's wicked Jews, false Jews that make it a crime for you to preach the word of God, then they call you homophobic!"

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/02/2008 5:19:54 AM

    Number of unrepentant terrorist friends with anti-American views for Obama = 57

    Number of unrepentant terrorist friends with anti-American views for McCain = 0

    The choice is obvious...vote for the patriot and war hero...JOHN MCCAIN!!

  • Posted By: hardyp3 @ 11/01/2008 11:25:28 PM

    Hurrah to Dave Kiffer for defending Ketchikan's (in)famous bridge. When I first heard the news about the 'bridge to nowhere' awhile back (pre-Palin), I smelled a rat. I wondered, as Paul Harvey would say, what was the rest of the story, and got digging. It didn't take long to find out that 'nowhere' was the airport and then I wondered who stood to win (developers) and who stood to lose from this deal (the ferry owners). At any rate it clearly wasn't a 'bridge to nowhere and once again the country was being led down a rosy path by the media with a very misleading story.
    Time passes and enters Sarah Palin. If I needed a good reason not to vote for her I wouldn't have to look past her comments on the bridge. If I could find out in a few minutes of research that the story about the 'bridge to nowhere' was so much hot air and that the bridge was easily justified, why was the governor of the state bad-mouthing it? Sounds like a wishy-washy opportunist to me.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 10/30/2008 12:35:19 PM

    Well..it???s proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Barack Hussein Obama can't be trusted with the economy.

    Well..its proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Barack Hussein Obama is naive with foreign policy.

    Well..it???s proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim.

    Well..it???s proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Barack Hussein Obama doesn't live in "Mr. Rogers"
    neighbourhood.

    Well..it???s proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Barack Hussein Obama bought the media networks.

    Well..it???s proven beyond a reasonable doubt that African Americans are voting for Obama only because he's Black.

    Well..it???s proven beyond a reasonable doubt Barack Hussein Obama cannot pay for his 1,000 promises without raising everybody's taxes!

    Well..its proven beyond a reasonable doubt Barack Hussein Obama has ACORN trying to steal the election for him!

    Well..its proven beyond a reasonable doubt Barack Hussein Obama is no Martin Luther King.

    Well..its proven beyond a reasonable doubt Barack Hussein Obama believes in Marxism.

    Well..its proven beyond a reasonable doubt Barack Hussein Obama says a lot but says nothing!

    Well..its proven beyond a reasonable doubt Barack Hussein Obama is sympathetic with terrorists!

    Well..its proven beyond a reasonable doubt Barack Hussein Obama only spoke the truth with "Joe The Plumber???

    On Tuesday...Nov 4....I'm getting my popcorn ready and watch how many dumb Americans vote Obama.

    • Posted By: HAL--- @ 10/30/2008 11:05:59 PM

      Well, it's proven that you're an inbred idiot.

      • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/01/2008 2:09:58 PM

        And who are you...a black man voting for Obama just because he's a black man too ?

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/01/2008 1:56:57 PM

    Two central issues in the election Barack Obama is wrong and misleading:

    1) No tax increases to those earning $250,000 or less promised by Obama, then he
    lowered this figure to $200,000, then the "Gift that keeps on Giving" Joe Biden says
    the number is $150,000 and just yesterday Gov. Bill Richardson says the figure is
    $120,000 ...and now a videotape is disclosed where it shows Obama recently stated
    that in the interest of fairness with taxes is around $80,000.00!!
    Sounds like good old fashion Democratic ???reverse auction ???tax policy they implement
    after they break their campaign promise to the American people.

    2) On national security ...Obama???s own VP running mate Joe Biden ... ???mark my words,
    this guy Obama is going to be tested by a generated international crisis within 6
    months of his Presidency..I guarantee it??? Obama will meet with USA's enemies with
    no pre-conditions!
    John McCain???s surge strategy in Iraq is working and its saving the lives of young
    American men and women in uniform serving there...Obama won't admit to this day
    the surge is working and he voted to cut funding for these military forces !!

    John McCain is Commander-In-Chief material ....Obama is just a cardboard "cut-out"
    candidate of the DNC.

  • Posted By: VinceP1974 @ 10/26/2008 6:53:08 AM

    Hmm.. A fuller picture of the bridge's importance is finally given to the American people, two years after the controversy.

    Hmm.. I wonder why Newsweek has either waited two years to give us this information, or not investigated the situation until just recently? Well whatever the motivation I think we can rule out their concern for the people of Alaska. We can also must assuredly rule out any concern for the gov't's "budget" (to abuse a term). Maybe the story is brought up for the reasons it was brought up the first time.. as a weapon against the GOP. I grew up in Chicago where I am once again after living in other places. I have never been to Alaska. So I could only guess at this but if I were an ALaskan , I would be very concerned about the future when considering the madness that is going in the Lower 48. To be so remote and yet controlled by a degraded govt, controlled by the degenerate Democrat party in thrall to the ideas of 1968 and protected by a news media more corrupt than Pravda. We are in dark days in this country brought to us by a lack of vigilence, a cooption of our education system by Cultural Marxists and a sense that ordinary Americans have that there is no possible way to fight against all this.

    • Posted By: Wolf Wolfman @ 10/26/2008 11:14:06 AM

      You're right! It's a "spread the wealth" ploy.

      • Posted By: doddabunner @ 10/31/2008 8:58:30 PM

        Wait, wait, wait. Sarah Palin taxes the oil companies so Alaskans can get a yearly check while not paying state income taxes. Then the rest of us Americans have to pay for those oil company checks because -- ta da!!! -- the oil companies have to raise prices to make up for their tax payments. Result: The rest of America is actually paying for those Alaska checks. But of course, that isn't "spreading the wealth," is it?

    • Posted By: Wolf Wolfman @ 10/29/2008 3:29:15 PM

      October 29, 2008

      By Wolfman

      Obama ???Spread the wealth around???

      Here is Obama saying what ???Joe the plumber??? was told. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOtdbqjDHJI We should not use legal justice only, we should have economic justice. The constitution was and is wrong. If we have citizens who don???t have a house, that is not economic justice; the constitution should provide them with one. If we have citizens who can???t pay for education, the government should provide the money, etc.

      It was tried in Russia and other countries, but it failed.

      Obama wants to try it one more time; here.

      In my opinion this is a masterpiece. I sent Rush an email and said just that.

      Socialist Obama Cannot Uphold the Constitution He Has Dismissed

      October 28, 2008 http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_102808/content/01125107.guest.html

      If you disagree, please post a message here: http://www.msnusers.com/WolfmanFriends/messages.msnw

      YOU have very little time to ACT.

  • Posted By: voyager @ 10/29/2008 3:35:02 PM

    Wolfman, you sound so sure of yourself. It must be nice to read minds or look in your crystal ball.
    Obama is a socialist? Since when? You have incontrovertible proof? I sincerely doubt it.
    Obama will appoint judges: yeah, so do most presidents. We seem to survive because of/in spite of who gets appointed to the federal bench. Get over it.
    95% of taxpayers don't pay taxes? What alternative universe are you living in? It's more like 5% of the population (well-to-do and mega-rich that don't pay taxes because they're hiding their money in trust funds, foreign bank accounts, off-shore business, etc). They are post-Americans because they don't believe in the workers of the United States and have given up on them for third world slave labor and peon (below subsistance wage) labor. That's what Bush wants to turn the U.S. into: a big hacienda for him and his friends.
    But I digress. The point is that Kiffer is part of the status quo who have already raped the forests for timber and now that they are running out (in Alaska no less!), they need to find "service industries" to replace them. Don't worry Kiffer, there are plenty of illegal immigrants from Asia who will be more than happy to come work for you. Ugh! What ever happened to towns, counties, and states building there own roads and bridges? Hasn't Uncle Ted Stevens given Alaskans enough Federal cash without being taxed for it already? I think the answer is "Yes".

    • Posted By: valark @ 10/30/2008 12:14:41 PM

      Its funny how you make the same assumptions you condemn.

      As for proof of Obama's socialistic approach to taxation: The proof is what he said he would do and the definition of socialism. Both easily accessible by going to Obama's web site to see his tax plan and going to dictionary.com if you don't know the definition of socialism.

      • Posted By: doddabunner @ 10/31/2008 8:49:58 PM

        Hmmm... Gov. Palin increases the taxes on oil companies and gives the benefits to residents in the form of cash payments. Then the oil companies increase their prices to make up for the taxes, and the rest of American ends up paying the cost. Therefore, Alaskans are living on the "redistributed wealth" that Obama is being criticized for. Go figure.

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