The View From ‘Nowhere’

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  • Posted By: wmdobbs @ 10/25/2008 6:36:46 PM

    Well if what you say is true, then we really don't need Sara for VP. If she cannot stand up for 14,000 people the how will she stand up for the nation?

    • Posted By: xnavyproud @ 10/25/2008 6:45:15 PM

      Didn't anyone catch on to "30 years ago"? Sarah is supposed to have fixed this when she was 14? While you liberals claim that Republican women are female impersonators. You make me sick!

      • Posted By: im.thatoneguy @ 10/25/2008 8:16:31 PM

        When the airport was opened Nixon was president. So if we're going to blaim the people 30 years ago. Let's blaim Nixon. If we're going to blaim the presidents in between then and now we have to blaim 4 republican and 2 democratic presidents. If we're going to blaim the governors of Alaska for that same time period it's 3 democrats and 3 republicans.

        However that's all neither here nor there. Palin made the bridge part of her campaign. When it became politically unpopular she not only turned her back on her promise. She made ridiculing it part of her campaign platform. I would be mighty pissed off if my candidate promised me say... increased NASA funding and then turned around once in office and ridiculed those who wanted increase NASA funding.

    • Posted By: JohnSmith789 @ 10/25/2008 6:39:42 PM

      she forever ruined the "wink" and also the words "you bethca" --- now I think Palin and Cheney should go hunting together - at least Palin would kill what she shot

      • Posted By: xnavyproud @ 10/25/2008 7:50:28 PM

        Sarah Palin would never shoot anything by accident. Her version of gun control is a little different than the Marxists.

      • Posted By: ByronMotley @ 10/25/2008 7:08:20 PM

        But remember my conservative friends, we cannot say the same thing about Obama or we will be called "racists," or "Uncle Toms!" We cannot say that about Hillary or else we will be called,"Sexist," or whatever tacky label a liberal can pin on us! We cannot depict violence against them the way liberals can against us 24/7!!! I'm glad I'm no longer a brain dead liberal, thank God, whoops, I mentioned God, and now liberals will get mad!

    • Posted By: KIMINCT @ 10/25/2008 6:40:29 PM

      I agree.

  • Posted By: Billstoy1943 @ 10/25/2008 6:52:25 PM

    Can you spell POLITICAL? That is just what this article. This guy (or should I say "That Guy"?) is pictured standing there in his flannel shirt and bib overalls, unshaven, wearing an old ball cap putting out what is called the truth. Supposedly he wrote this article to defend his hometown. The flow and wording of the article though, clearly screams "professional writer". Something doesn???t match. This is a pig wearing a tuxedo. Notice how ???earmarks??? are so eloquently defended. Observe how Gov. Palin is backhanded and accused of lying. Clearly these words and presentation are those of a politically minded professional writer. I???m a retired cop and I can smell a con a mile away. How about some truth? It seems that the term 1% of the total budget is dismissed as being nothing to worry about. When your budget is over a trillion dollars, 1% is quite a lot of money. That money comes out of your pocket and mine. If the money is insignificant, why not put it through congress through legal bills that are ???titled??? for what they really are and have them voted upon by our representatives? That???s because they could never be justified and never passed and the general public would be aware of them. Instead, they are quietly tucked inside of defense spending bills and other bills that are assured of passing and never discussed. Fraud is what that is called. If earmarks were referred to by their true names they would be called ???vote buyers???. Members of Congress are allowed to circumvent the legal process in order to buy votes with billions of expenditures that could not survive in the light of day. Not to mention the fact that when the money is actually sent to the various local politicians, there is no follow-up to verify what the money was actually spent on or by whom. The little town in question may have actually wanted a bridge, but just how many people will really actually be using it to get to the airport? Is it the duty of the tax payers of the remaining 49 states to make it possible for the 14000 residents of a little town to drive over a bridge to get to the airport instead of taking the ferry? Put that to a vote of the people and see how far it gets when it cannot even survive a vote in Congress. Deceptive Politics is the goal of this story. Plain and clear.

    • Posted By: Ketchikan_Patrick @ 10/25/2008 8:15:22 PM

      Dave Kiffer is honest and articulate and a very gifted writer. We don't always agree on politics but he is sincere in his love of this community. Your credentials as a former cop don't seem to serve you very well or perhaps that is why you are a former cop. Regardless, you have the right to be suspicious and voice your opinion but you are dead wrong on this one.

    • Posted By: Chicazule @ 10/25/2008 7:14:53 PM

      Hey, know it all. First up, Mayor Dave isn't wearing overalls...that's a vest. He has a beard. And lots of guys in Ketchikan wear ball caps 'cause it rains all the time! And the Mayor has been a writer his entire life and a good one. Everyone in Ketchikan knows that. He's worked for newspapers in the past and writes local history articles. You are a real jerk for being so suspicious! You could do five minutes of research and find all this out for himself.

  • Posted By: Parkieboy @ 10/25/2008 8:13:51 PM

    Mayor Kiffer,
    Thank you so much for your well articulated explanation of your situation in Ketchikan! It must have been so hard for you and all of the citizens of your city to hear these disparaging remarks about your bridge from those who make judgements either without knowing all of the facts, or from those who spout cynical rhetoric for their own personal gain. I commend you for addressing the nation through this forum and challenge the American people to walk a mile in your boots and appreciate the need that your community has for this lifeline. All earmarks my not necessarily be bad - generalizing just shows a lack of being willing to thoughtfully evaluate our challenges. If solutions were easy, problems wouldn't exist.

  • Posted By: rivers @ 10/25/2008 8:11:53 PM

    boo hoo, go eat some whale and shut up!

  • Posted By: mikediscre @ 10/25/2008 7:11:37 PM

    All I knew about this lovely town was what I saw as a cruise ship passenger last year. What a pretty place! While I had no idea as to local politics or infrastructure then, I see now a bit more, Governor Sarah seems quite the politician in addition to being the self-described hockey mom. Thanks for the tip.

    M. Pinsker
    Bangkok Thailand

    • Posted By: lennickj @ 10/25/2008 8:08:41 PM

      I sure do hope John McCain gets elected. He like all the rest of the politicians promise alot but deliver so little. I live in Virginia, I am a corporate pilot and see alot of the rest of the states in the union. One that really strikes me is West Virginia with it's earmarks, provided by Senator Byrd. Airports with probably 20 or less flites aday have Manned Towers paid for by yours and mine as well as every other taxpayer in this wonderful country. There are many uncontrolled airports with 100's of flites aday, they don't have towers. 14,000 people, I can see it would be nice to have a bridge to an island that has an airport. It's ashame that your island didn't have land enough to build an airport. WVa. doesnt have alot of flat land either. they cut off mountain tops to make an airport, and they take hours for WVa residents to drive to to get somewhere in the god forbidden lower 48 that you despise. At least you have tourist that spend money while they are there. I'm sure that helps the local economy. It's time to get rid of the political earmarks and corrupt back room politics that goes on in Washington. In time you'll get your bridge. All you have to do is convince the lawyers who make our laws, think they will get more clients. Lets face it, this country is owned and operated by the wonderful honest lawyers who have had a destructive hand in elevating this country to its present level in the celar of distrust. After all, we have to believe in them, we vote for them every two to four years. Enjoy, for as poor as It is, it is the best system in the world. The proof being, Foreingers are trying to get into this wonderful land anyway they can.

    • Posted By: lennickj @ 10/25/2008 8:06:26 PM

      I sure do hope John McCain gets elected. He like all the rest of the politicians promise alot but deliver so little. I live in Virginia, I am a corporate pilot and see alot of the rest of the states in the union. One that really strikes me is West Virginia with it's earmarks, provided by Senator Byrd. Airports with probably 20 or less flites aday have Manned Towers paid for by yours and mine as well as every other taxpayer in this wonderful country. There are many uncontrolled airports with 100's of flites aday, they don't have towers. 14,000 people, I can see it would be nice to have a bridge to an island that has an airport. It's ashame that your island didn't have land enough to build an airport. WVa. doesnt have alot of flat land either. they cut off mountain tops to make an airport, and they take hours for WVa residents to drive to to get somewhere in the god forbidden lower 48 that you despise. At least you have tourist that spend money while they are there. I'm sure that helps the local economy. It's time to get rid of the political earmarks and corrupt back room politics that goes on in Washington. In time you'll get your bridge. All you have to do is convince the lawyers who make our laws, think they will get more clients. Lets face it, this country is owned and operated by the wonderful honest lawyers who have had a destructive hand in elevating this country to its present level in the celar of distrust. After all, we have to believe in them, we vote for them every two to four years. Enjoy, for as poor as It is, it is the best system in the world. The proof being, Foreingers are trying to get into this wonderful land anyway they can.

  • Posted By: thorman @ 10/25/2008 6:19:25 PM

    I have two real good ideas to solve the problem that Ketchikan and all of Alaska has regarding their bridges, roads, and other infrastructure. Pay a state income tax like many of the rest of us Americans do for the purposes of building and maintaining infrastructure within your state.. Take some of the money that the oil companies pay each resident of the state of Alaska each year and build and maintain your infrastructure. I, for one, am tired of subsidizing Alaska's less than 1 million people with federal dollars when they have the ability to take care of their own problems using their money, not mine. Until then they should quit complaining about other Americans' complaints about the "Bridge to Nowhere.". Alaska still got the money that the "Bridge to Nowhere" would have cost from the federal governmentt. That cash still went to their infrastructure. I wish they would send me some of that money and fix the road in front of my house.

    • Posted By: xnavyproud @ 10/25/2008 8:08:37 PM

      Alaska does have a state income tax. It got suspended after the pipeline started flowing oil to Valdez. I never drew on the Permanent Fund because I didn't agree with it. It is a personal choice to draw from it. or not. I had a very good paying job and didn't need it. Those in the private secor had a very different story. Almost anyone with children was barely making it. There are many ways to feed yourself, though, which is what Sarah Palin was doing. She and Todd don't make that much money by Alaskan standards. I've always been a meat hunter, not a trophy hunter. Feeding yourself by hunting is hard work, but, the meat has no additives and the food value is much higher.

    • Posted By: alisa@alaska @ 10/25/2008 6:24:11 PM

      you're an idiot. i won't even validate your ignorance with a further response.

    • Posted By: alisa@alaska @ 10/25/2008 6:23:22 PM

      You're an idiot.

  • Posted By: seattle2008 @ 10/25/2008 6:59:51 PM

    Thank you for sharing another side to the story. So many people hear about the "Bridge to Nowhere" and make their opinion based only on that tag line. I agree that anyone with half a brain should know better than to accept news reports or articles as fact. Whether I support Governor Palin or not, it was wrong of her to throw that into the pot as a positive in her campaign with the citizens of the United States not knowing anything about the issue. As for the comment regarding the guy in the overalls with the baseball cap on, etc., that person has obviously never lived in Alaska or knows the way of life up there. People are generally down to earth and there isn't such a front portrayed as there is elsewhere. Those from the Lower 48 also do not understand what the Mayor is talking about regarding expansion of development and housing. Look on your maps, do some research, and quit judging that which you know little about.

    • Posted By: Ketchikan_Patrick @ 10/25/2008 8:07:49 PM

      Well said neighbor! I believe strongly that Seattle needs great roads and bridges and I believe our tax dollars are needed for that. I wonder why so many people are angry with Ketchikan for the same needs. And don't tell me it is because of the size of our population. Look around the nation and you will see hundreds of small communities supported with the earmarks their representatives brought home. The difference is that Alaskans and this fine Seattle neighbor don't begrudge you that benefit. Why do you begrudge us?

  • Posted By: KayJay @ 10/25/2008 8:07:06 PM

    I was born and raised in K-Town, lived there for 30 years. The ferry to the airport is adequate to get to the airport. I can not imagine what that bridge would be to drive over when it is covered in ice or when it is socked in by fog or when it is gusting 120 mph. And who the heck is going to maintain the bridge. Truthfully, I have ALWAYS thought the bridge a dumb idea. If K-town wants a bridge, how about over to the mainland so one actually another mode to get on and off the rock!? Oh, and Gravina has so much Muskeg on it....really, how much of it is really buildable?

  • Posted By: Fed-up-In-K-Town @ 10/25/2008 5:38:49 PM

    This clown does not speak for me or anyone I know that lives here in Ketchikan. The bridge may have been a viable option 30 years ago, but that ship has sailed and the crybabies really need to get over it. There is NO GOOD REASON to build a bridge. I use the airport ferry several times a year and it works just fine. However, we could use a decent shelter for the folks that walk on, and possibly a conveyor belt to help with luggage.

    "What also went unstated was our town's need for development." Oh, that's rich. It's also ridiculous considering the multitude of properties for sale on this side of the channel. We also have the property at Ward Cove, site of the former pulp mill. It's also at Ward Cove where a derelict fishing boat lies half submerged at the opening of a spawning creek. This boat slowly sank for weeks and nothing was done to stop it. Our local government does a lousy job. They want hundreds of millions of dollars for a little convenience while folks in the borough still use catchment systems for water... all the while paying too-high property taxes and traveling on broken down, DANGEROUS roads and street bridges.

    "The media reports never seemed to mention that Ketchikan has a year-round population of 14,000???making it the fourth-largest community in the state." I'm going to have to call BS on this as well. Ketchikan has been dwindling since the pulp mill closed. I have lived here 15 years and I've never seen as many for-sale signs as I do now. What a joke, too bad I'm not laughing.

    FYI: We have 2 mayors, one for the city and one for the borough.

    • Posted By: Ketchikan27 @ 10/25/2008 8:06:23 PM

      You must not know very many people in Ketchikan, and YOU don't speak for me or those I know. I only hope that when you're in your 90's, you're stll here, and you have to haul your suitcases up the ferry ramp in 40 mph winds and horizontal rain. Speaking of rain, I prefer my rain-catchment water system to the cholrinated, highly-haloacidic stuff from the municipal system. And being employed in the real estate industry, I can state with certainty that we have the fewest properties on the market since 1999, two years after the pulp mill closed.

  • Posted By: Snorkeldorf @ 10/25/2008 8:06:06 PM

    I've flown into Ketchikan - a beautiful little town in a beautiful area that also happens to be the southern terminus for the Alaskan Cruise ship industry. They certainly need a bridge, just not such an expensive one. The major challenge is that cruise ships (and float planes) share the same channel that separates the town from the airport. So, it would either have to be a very high bridge or some type of bridge that can temporarily be raised or submerged or opened like a gate. Still, it's not that wide of a channel so there must be a reasonably inexpensive way to "get her done" as they like to say up there. In any case, the State of Alaska should be responsible for footing the bill, although I wouldn't mind so much a matching federal funds arrangement.

  • Posted By: jayokl @ 10/25/2008 6:36:17 PM

    The drive-by media caused this misunderstanding, just as they have caused Americans to misunderstand both the candidates for President. Rather than approach this situation as a serious issue, involving trust and a promise made by out Federal Government (the same government that now wants us to trust them with billions of dollars in "bailout" money, as well as their usual socialistic redistribution of wealth and takeover of our very thoughts), the media treated this as an opportunity for sensationalism. It just goes to show that no THINKING person should get their information from ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN.

    • Posted By: im.thatoneguy @ 10/25/2008 8:04:42 PM

      Agreed! The 'Main stream Media" isnt liberal. It's not Conservative (Well except for newspapers which are all largely partisan WSJ, Washington Post, Washington Times, New York Post, New York Times (but to a lesser extent than most) and Fox News). It's about the fast news story. It's about the quick news. The 3 minute news blurb.

      That's why I like newsweek (slightly liberal) and US News and World Report (slightly conservative). They take the time to provide in depth reporting. But sadly the problem isn't CNN or Fox news. It's that the American people don't care. They aren't interested in the Bridge to Nowhere and deciding if it's a waste of money. They want someone with credentials to give them a 60 second sensationalist run down on what they should think.

  • Posted By: Ex ACS @ 10/25/2008 8:04:04 PM

    I also live in Seattle and as close as it is to Ketchikan, I can't remember once our one sided media ever saying this road went to the Airport. They made it sound like it was going to 5 fur trappers cabins and maybe one fishing camp, certainly not to a major airport in the area. How come the Government can tell you where to build the airport and then not include funding to get there? im.thatoneguy may have a good point re using oil revenue to pay at least part of the cost. When I lived in Anchorage back in the 50's the Federal Govt. pretty well paid all the bills due to the large Military and Govt presence in the then Territory so the Feds should be happy they don't have to support Alaska now that it's a state. What's the problem with one litttle "Bridge to Somewhere"?

  • Posted By: calteacher @ 10/25/2008 8:03:45 PM

    It is nice to hear a public official standing up for his city and constituants. It seems most public officials are more interested in "high speed nest feathering" and could care less about the people they represent. The residence of Ketchikan are lucky to have Mr. Kiffer as their mayor and their voice. Great article, I hope to visit your American city one day.

  • Posted By: rossbro @ 10/25/2008 8:01:58 PM

    A town of 14,000 needs a 200 million dollar bridge???? Maybe something a little less ostentatious???

  • Posted By: boogaloodude @ 10/25/2008 8:01:07 PM

    stupid ppl do you not want oil from alaska? fine we have more than enough to meet our needs

  • Posted By: boogaloodude @ 10/25/2008 7:59:19 PM

    hey that one gut.... yea and also like 10000 times the revenue stream. get a grip

  • Posted By: oldcorps62 @ 10/25/2008 6:24:00 PM

    Again, I ask, how many of you folks that comment have ever lived in Alaska or even visted the state?? Do you know what The Permanent Fund is? Alaska is the best governed and managed state in the Union. The lower 48 and Congress should take note.

    • Posted By: xnavyproud @ 10/25/2008 7:59:04 PM

      I agree. I moved up there in 1974 and stayed until the air traffic controllers went on strike. I love it there. It is very hard on clothes and the price of milk was far more espensive than a gallon of gas. But the absolute freedom was fantastic. As far as I'm concerned Ted Stevens is good man and I can't imagine that he will be convicted of anything. Look at all the crooked Democrats that are still holding their seats.

  • Posted By: iceprincess @ 10/25/2008 7:57:28 PM

    If you want the bridge then you pay for it,I mean every person in your state gets money from big oil right?well use it for your bridge then.

  • Posted By: Bob48 @ 10/25/2008 7:48:44 PM

    SO........ Why not charge each and every visitor a Sur-Charge to help pay for the bridge. What about all that windfall from oil that your governor has garnered?

    Whenever I want to make life a little more convienent for my family I don't ask my neighbors that live 3 or 4000 miles away to finance it!

    • Posted By: TimCSCountry @ 10/25/2008 7:55:51 PM

      you might not ask your neighbors to pay for improvments, but we all pay for it all in excise taxes. By the way is it unfair that a majority of the taxes that is paid out west and in alaska be spent to repair things on the east coast. You should also remember that it is those who live in rural America that keeps your kids from starving

  • Posted By: terryj2079 @ 10/25/2008 7:52:28 PM

    One thing that Alaska did when it drafted its constitution was to allocate the resources of the state as belonging to the people of Alaska. This is why the Permanent Fund was set up, to give back a portion of the revenues which belongs to them. It doesn't come from just oil, it comes from taxes collected on mining, fishing, timber any resource that is being exploited in Alaska, and it isn't a welfare check. Only if your state had the forsight to do the same. As far as the bridge goes, it was promised to them at the time the airport was built, the government should stick to it agreements.

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