The View From ‘Nowhere’

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  • Posted By: RubyT @ 10/25/2008 7:38:00 PM

    Again, I say the bridge was planned nearer to the Mayors property than the airport. HELLO PEOPLE check the facts.

    • Posted By: Chicazule @ 10/25/2008 7:51:11 PM

      Mayor Dave owns no property on Gravina. That's the MURKOWSKI family you are thinking of as in former Governor Murkowski and Senator Murkowski.

  • Posted By: placidgirl7 @ 10/25/2008 7:27:06 PM

    It goes to show that nothing is ever simple. I am sorry for the loss of the bridge, now that the mayor has explained the situation especially when we throw billions everywhere. It would have given people jobs, people who pay taxes and contribute to the economy.

    • Posted By: seattle2008 @ 10/25/2008 7:50:30 PM

      They are not a lot better off than we are. It is very VERY expensive to live in Alaska, and as someone already stated below, the dividend is a drop in the bucket when it comes to gas expenses, which includes propane for a lot people to heat their homes. Others use oil to heat their homes. Check into the crisis they had earlier this fall in anticipation of the coming school year as far as even heating the schools..

  • Posted By: dathrillwill @ 10/25/2008 6:49:41 PM

    Yeah, on the outside things seems fine. Im outside looking in at Alaska. But the this mayor is the only person who is trying to tell the story from the inside out. I hope you get your bridge too. Because, Keith is right. If it was any other state. You better believe they would get money and resources real quick. Now I feel sad that fellow Americans do not have that access to resources they should have. I would give money out of my own pocket to help fund this. yahoo name is dathrillwill

    • Posted By: im.thatoneguy @ 10/25/2008 7:50:07 PM

      How about the state of Washington?

      We have a bridge which has more people drive over it per hour than the entire population of ketchikan and the federal government has offered less than %20 of its replacement cost.

      This isn't a case of Alaska getting the short end of the stick. This is a case of Alaska expecting more than anyone else is getting. Alaska can afford it. Ketchikan could afford it if they realized that maybe you actually have to tax your citizens to deliver the infrastructure that they get in the higher tax regions. They claim higher taxes (Or in many parts of alaska taxes at all) will drive people away. But by their own admission people are already moving to places with dramatically higher taxes. Every person who leaves Ketchikan for Seattle is making a conscious decision to move 90 minutes by plane south to a place with a tax rate hundreds of times their home town. Why? Because we offer infrastucture, jobs and a functioning economy.

      People are voting for higher taxes with their uHaul trucks. They're moving to the cities.

  • Posted By: Kayla 52 @ 10/25/2008 7:48:24 PM

    I was in Alaska last spring and visited Ketchikan and found it to be a charming community. The bridge to the island makes perfect sense to me. People do not realize the remoteness of the various Alaskan communities. Good luck with that!

  • Posted By: puch @ 10/25/2008 7:28:48 PM

    I have been to Ketchikan a few times and find the people living there great and friendly. ( Does it always rain there?)
    About the bridge, if my town wants something, there is a ballot measure vote for a bond, raise the sales or house tax . The folks in Alaska don???t pay any sales or state tax as we do down here, they are a lot better off as we are. So why don???t they establish a sales tax in Ketchikan to pay for the bridge? Or take some of the few thousands $ of oil dividend all Alaskans get paid out every year. I can???t see why we lower states tax payers have to fund the bridge.

    • Posted By: Ketchikan_Patrick @ 10/25/2008 7:48:01 PM

      Well Puch, it just shows that history can pass by every American in the name of a good punchline. Do you believe for one minute that the roads, bridges, and rail system of America were purchased on the local economy? Certainly not! In the 30s, 40s, and 50s America was building one of the marvels of the world - a highway system to be proud of. Unfortunately, Alaska wasn't a state and could not extend our hand to obtain our fair share. But now today when it is our turn to request a bridge - guess what? They are more expensive! And worse yet, the rest of the nation feels somehow justified in criticizing our need. Thanks for nothing America! Tomorrow as you drive along a well-maintained highway and cross the Chesapeake Bay thank God you were in line early because today you would be told there is nothing on the eastern shore of Maryland anyone would want to see anyway.

  • Posted By: littledogs1 @ 10/25/2008 4:18:18 PM

    I'm sorry, but I am not buying it, you have eight flights per month into that air port. You also have a ferry service which has been running just fine for years. I have no problem with you having a bridge, nor do I have a problem with earmarks, John Mccains ainti earmark crusade is a joke, earmarks account for less than the cost of two months in Iraq, his war the one he wants to keep going for a minimum of five years according to his little dream speech where he said "by the end of my first term, 2013 we will have won the war in Iraq and we will start bringing our troops home". What a con artist, if he cared about spending he would have never pushed that war with his good buddy Bush. We could have spent that trillion dollars here to create jobs, fight the war in Afganistan, you know Afganistan, the place Bin Ladin and his evil doers planed and trained to attack us on 911. More Americans have died in Iraq than died in 911, so I hope you get your govener back, she is not honest, and she is not qualified.

    • Posted By: Chicazule @ 10/25/2008 7:47:48 PM

      Actually it's more like eight flights a DAY...and UPS, Fed Ex, freight, Medivacs, private planes, etc. It is a busy airport. The ferries are aging, expensive to run, and starting to break down. They go off line at night, they go off line if they need fuel. It's a quarter mile walk from the ferry dock to the airport terminal. If you take your car to pick up grandma, it's a $20 ride for the car and another $5 per person. That adds up. I wonder how many of you would drive on your federally fundedhighway at those prices.

    • Posted By: princeofwalesalaska @ 10/25/2008 5:12:16 PM

      Why don't you use your interstate just twice a week. It's called the Alaska MARINE HIGHWAY for a reason. That's how often the ferries run in and out of Ketchikan. Let's see them let you enter your freeway every 15 minutes for the during the summer and every half hour during the rest of the year. Let's see them charge you $5.00 one for the privilage on top of it. We get more than eight flights a month. Are you related to Sarah? I will repeat what others have said; come up here and live with us before you ridicule us and get your facts straight before you start hammering us with your nonense, we have a be-a-u-tiful governor doing a fine job already!

    • Posted By: gman12345 @ 10/25/2008 4:22:24 PM

      more people die by violence annually in some of our major cities than have died in totality from the beginning of these wars . And lets not forget about those that die annually due to drunken drivers.

      • Posted By: olfroggy @ 10/25/2008 4:29:16 PM

        moire people are killd everyday in Washington DC than in iraq, which means Iraq is safer than DC

        • Posted By: RiverR @ 10/25/2008 5:00:52 PM

          sure, but it doesn't cost $10 billion a month to do it!

  • Posted By: Joseph Smith Jr. @ 10/25/2008 6:43:31 PM

    You are kidding? This jerk and the people of this town actually think "we" the "taxpayers" should pick up the tab for a multi-million dollar bridge for them? Ask the supposed 1 MILLION VISITORS to PAY the tab for this "bridge" they claim to need!

    THIS IS RIDICULOUS! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! No different than the 3 MILLION DOLLAR overhead projector Obama secured for his friends at the Chicago Planetarium!

    • Posted By: jrofwheaton @ 10/25/2008 6:55:01 PM

      Enter Your Comment You obviously do not know what in hell you speak of. Educating the youth of chicago is important to us citizens, so go to hell will you.

      • Posted By: xnavyproud @ 10/25/2008 7:46:10 PM

        As far as educating the children of Chicago, we call it Marxist indoctrination. That's what Ayers and Obama were doing and that is why they are so close.

  • Posted By: karronna @ 10/25/2008 7:45:48 PM

    Whether or not Ketchikan deserved a bridge was never the issue in my opinion. Many voted for funding that would have helped build the bridge (including Biden and Obama). The issue was the Governor claimed she said "thanks but no thanks"....as the mayor of Ketchikan puts "not quite truthfully".

  • Posted By: SuzyQ1 @ 10/25/2008 7:45:06 PM

    I am glad you wrote your view of the bridge to nowhere story. We don't know much about Alaska way down here near the Gulf of Mexico where we are buffeted by hurricanes and draught. You have ice, cold weather, and need to fly to many places because you just can't get there from here. I vaguely remember hearing about the construction of the oil pipeline. It is about time that we learned a little more about Alaska than about your representative (I don't remember his name, just his fame) who sent more money to Alaska than any other congressman ever got for his/her state. Down here in Texas, we pay our city/county/state and don't receive a nice bonus of oil money. Today I voted early and had the privilege of voting a healthy bond issue to improve the roads in our county. That means that we have to pay taxes to build our roads. Maybe this can help you understand why some of us think Alaskans should pay for their own bridges, the same as we do. If people want to live in a land where living is difficult, that is their choice. I admire the people who have the grit to take on the hardships that we see portrayed in documentaries on life in Alaska. Maybe Governor Palin???s being on the ticket in a national election will help us learn more about you folks up there. A lot of people thought the movie Giant was what Texans are like. I didn???t recognize anyone in the movie or book as being like anyone I ever knew, and I was born and raised here. That is just the way of writers trying to make their stories more interesting. .Good luck on trying to find a way to finance your bridge.

  • Posted By: Kayla 52 @ 10/25/2008 7:44:03 PM

    i was in Alaska last summer in Ketchikan and found it to be a charming community. The bridge to the island made perfect sense to me. Most people who have never been to Alaska can not comprehend the remoteness of the various towns in this state. I admire folks who are so hardy. Good Luck with that bridge!!

  • Posted By: staceys76 @ 10/25/2008 7:44:02 PM

    I used to live in Ketchikan as a child. I've been back several times and I constantly see people with items of clothing that have something to do with Ketchikan. So, I agree that Ketchikan is far from NOWHERE. It's a wonderful community that I am very proud to have been a part of.

  • Posted By: RubyT @ 10/25/2008 7:20:32 PM

    From what I understand the bridge plan was to Gravina Island a distance away from the airport but very close to the land which the Mayor owned. The plan included making the bridge large enough for the cruise ships to pass under instead of a draw bridge which would have been less expensive. I have been to the Ketchikan airport and as the Ferry runs every half hour, I found it to be most convienient and a pleasant ride across to the main island. In my opinion the benefits of the bridge was far less than the astronomical cost.

    • Posted By: Chicazule @ 10/25/2008 7:42:40 PM

      The land in question on Gravina is owned by the Murkowski family. The Kiffer family does not own any land on Gravina and he stands nothing to gain or lose if a bridge is built or not built. He's a music teacher and writer!

  • Posted By: im.thatoneguy @ 10/25/2008 7:42:18 PM

    I live in Seattle. Popupulation ~1.8 million. We've been waiting for a new bridge for well over a decade. It's probably going to be a toll bridge to pay for it. We're getting very very little help from the federal government. The projected cost is going to be about 10x greater than the Ketchikan bridge but we also have well over 10x the population. More like 100x the population. Furthermore we are only receiving about $500 million in federal funding. That means per person our bridge 'pet project' which is desperately needed costs the tax payers almost 100x more per person than 520 improvements.

    Meanwhile Alaska has so much money from Oil revenue that they can hand out a $1500 dividend to every man woman and child. How about putting a decade of your dividends into a new bridge. I would even encourage the US Government to give out 25% to support you and make it only 8 years of dividends. Plus if you put a toll on the road for $4 and have 250,000 people a year (500,000 trips) that will contribute another 4 million a year. How about increase the tax on the airport as well. Sneak in another $2 per trip. That'll probably still be less than anchorage's airport tax. There's another $2m a year. In one decade of airport and tolls you'll have raised 60 million. If your town's people don't want to move maybe it'll be time to finally start charge your citizens nominal taxation for infrastructure like the rest of the country has had to do for centuries.

    I've lived most of my life in a small town and from my experience It's always the small towns of America who claim to not want handouts (presumeably unlike some mythical segment of the population in big cities who does.) but also expect disproportionate per-capita government subsidies. Farm subsidies, the nicest/best maintained roads, lower cost of livingwhich translates into higher spending power per person, and yet still whines every time they're asked along with every one else to actually pay for the service the government provides in the form of taxes. If this bridge will revitalize the local economy. Take out a city bond. Treat the people who pay for the bridge like investors. "Give us $100m in bonds and we'll pay you back with interest when our population grows and pays higher taxes."

    The cheapest most cost effective solution in this case is a ferry. We have dozens of ferry routes throughout the puget sound. And people ride them every day. If people live on the other side of the straight and need to ride the ferry every day then the culture of the town can shift. And if they're late to work: be understanding. If they miss a day of work: be understanding. It's a cultural shift that maybe our automotive based guaranteed arrival times has developed over the last 50 years. But we can return to a time in age when people would be understanding if you were 10 minutes late or couldn't travel due to weather. We have snow days in seattle where people can't make it to

  • Posted By: ByronMotley @ 10/25/2008 6:49:53 PM

    Other wasteful political spending poisoned the water for this bridge to be built! No one in the liberal media has put Hillary's family under the microscope the way Sarah Palin's family has been. The media went from reporting the news to rabid,liberal attack dogs. "I want to make the world a better place is very common when they are asked in school "why do you want to be a reporter?" A judge should carefully listen to BOTH sides of a story before rendering a verdict, but the mass media wants one side to be unheard! The political system is a miserable mess thanks to the liberal, white,elite,media establishment!!!

    • Posted By: bdaddyg @ 10/25/2008 6:55:24 PM

      You have got to be joking. White Water, the guy that shot himself, other land deals in Arkansas!! Why is it we can pick through the other guy's garbage, but when he picks through mine, that's going to far. Hypocrisy is our national religion.

      • Posted By: xnavyproud @ 10/25/2008 7:42:06 PM

        How do you know that Vince Foster shot himself? And he did it inside? How did he get to Gramercy Park. WAKE-UP!

  • Posted By: todd nadrich @ 10/25/2008 7:06:54 PM

    McCain would have beena true maverick to pick Joe Lieberman as a running mate. Palin comes off as kinda of racist....but the party would never accept Lieberman...it's about goverment and management....

    • Posted By: bludolpin @ 10/25/2008 7:40:41 PM

      Your comment was that Palin came across as a racist but when you mentioned Lieberman you sounded just like her, or am I mistaken in how you meant that?

  • Posted By: Needlewood_M @ 10/25/2008 7:40:11 PM

    Come on people... Stop being so innocent! Where do you think all of the highways and bridges that you drive on come from??? EVERY state applies for federal funds to do their public works / transportation projects. It would help everyone to better understand how things work if they would read, listen to the news, pay attention in their government and US History classes. Why do you think that so many people don't see education as a priority in this country? If you ae in ignorant bliss, it is much easier to get things past you. Do yourself a favor.

  • Posted By: colo911 @ 10/25/2008 4:24:45 PM

    Think this bridge is a hot topic -- wait until "your man" Obama starts to sell us his socialized medicine programs. Your Senator from Ill. wants to tax the rich and pay for everyone problems -- it won't work. His words "tax the white, rich VP's in the suburbs who don't want to pay for black children in the inner city to go to school". And who is racist?

    • Posted By: somone with a brain @ 10/25/2008 6:10:31 PM

      Amen to that; he sat and listened to Rev. Wright for 20 years and he did not know he was racist. He's eitther stupid or a liar! I think it's the latter because his rhetoric souinds great but when you dig deeper it causes quite a bit of concern. Where the heck is all this money coming from; is he putting the printing presses in overdrive? That will devalue our dollar even more. Does he think we have enough rich people to support the lazy fools who are too stupid or lazy to work? This guy's selling us a bill of goods.

      • Posted By: Beargirl @ 10/25/2008 7:37:14 PM

        It's me again. I agree.

  • Posted By: Newtbo @ 10/25/2008 7:17:47 PM

    Why should the US taxpayers subsidize Alaskan projects while the Alaskan's get money back from the State each year instead of contributing to their State's needs? If your republican, democrat, or anything else, it just doesn't make sense!!!

    • Posted By: iluvtherain @ 10/25/2008 7:36:39 PM

      Why should US taxpayers subsidize any specific state's project? Maybe it should be every state for themselves.

  • Posted By: rnesvick @ 10/25/2008 4:24:52 PM

    As a former Ketchikan resident of eight years, I do not know where "littledogs" got his information. The Ketchikan INternational Airport is served by Alaska Airlines and numerouse commuter airlines with daily flights, not just eight per month.

    • Posted By: somone with a brain @ 10/25/2008 6:07:32 PM

      Don't worry the knuckleheads who have never been to Alaska have no clue. They just blindly follow whatever comes out of the pundits mouths. I've been to Alaska and Ketchikan and it is a beautiful state and you have an intelligent, gutsy governor who I hope becomes Vice President.

      • Posted By: Beargirl @ 10/25/2008 7:36:05 PM

        to somone with a brain:

        Bless you. I think I just follow your posts and say ditto!!!

  • Posted By: mtk501 @ 10/25/2008 4:25:37 PM

    Well written and I am glad to hear the facts.

    • Posted By: somone with a brain @ 10/25/2008 4:37:00 PM

      What everyone seems to forget is that Palin is running for VICE president; everyone is so concerned about her lack of experience to become predsident. As for Mr. Obama, he's had a total of 148 days in the senate and has never run a thing. Perhaps you should be more concerned about his lack of experience in becoming president. It's a frightful thing because you can't teach for 140 days and even make it a school year yet aspire to be a superintendent, can you imagine a rookie firefighter becoming chief in less than a year? How about your doctor, would you like him to cut you open with 140 days in med school. Think about that will you? At least Gov. Palin has experience making budgets and actually running a government. But all you Barack supporters just want change regardless of the type when it comes with higher taxes and lost jobs; as long as you get some checks in the mail. ha he'll be too busy trying to find money for all his projects that he's promising. Remember Cuba's change in 1959? Perhaps our country should not start messing with socialism, we are based upon capitalism and that is what makes us great. Why should hard working people who are successful have to pay more taxes to help the idiots who are too lazy to work or get an education so they too can make it? How could we even consider voting for a man with no experience and no qualifications other than his mantra of change... pit him against a war heroe who has been a member of the senate for more than 20 years...McCain is experienced enough and intelligent enough to run this country so we don't have to worry about Sarah Palins' credentials to become president.

      • Posted By: RiverR @ 10/25/2008 4:54:14 PM

        ohhh yeah - then we should only vote in people who have already been presidents as presidents... wait you did that - see how great that worked last time? Obama has longer experience in government than Paln - you are not counting his years in STATE government.

        • Posted By: somone with a brain @ 10/25/2008 6:05:45 PM

          You mean his whole 148 days? Do you ever stop to consider his associations? Under his esteeemed Rev. Wright a US hater and white hater who he sat and listened to for 20 years but was unaware that he was a bigot. Oh how about Ayers who bombed this country and is just so sorry that he couldn't have caused more destruction, he hosted his coming out party. How about the Acorn organization that he funded for $800,000 so they could register dogs and cats to vote for him. How about his wife Michelle who went to Harvard on Affirmaitve action yet said the only time she was proud of this country was when her darling became the democratic candidate. How about the fact that he won't pledge to the very flag that represents this nation he is so anxious to govern and he won't wear a flag pin. Don't worry about McCain's age, he endured five years of grueling torture in Vietnam which most people couldn't survive, I'm sure he'll make four years. But in the even he doesn't there is such a thing as advisors so the President doesn't have to act on his/her own intuition. By the way, did you see the photo of Obama holding a phone upside down in front of the flag? I got a chuckle thinking God help us if he has to ever answer that "red" phone. I know this country would be a lot safer with McCain, even Biden, Obama's running mate assured us that we would be "tested" aka attacked within six months of Obama being president. So stop whining and waiting for your big fat checks which won't make it since he has to find money to pay for all his insurance and other wonderful things he has planned for us; get an education and a job and make it on your own. There's no such thing as a free lunch in case you didn't know. If you're getting it, someone is paying for it and I"m sure the rich people are smart enough to know about off shore accounts so guess who will be funding all these socialistic ideas???? You will..that is if you are working!

          • Posted By: Beargirl @ 10/25/2008 7:34:11 PM

            to somone with a brain,
            Thank you so much. Its so exhausting to wade thru all the liberal crap and think of good replys. You said what I was thinking, however, you stated it much better than I could. I thought that picture of Obama with the phone upside down kinda says it all. Anyway, it was good for a laugh.

      • Posted By: RiverR @ 10/25/2008 4:57:08 PM

        1) vice president is a serious proposition, especially if you consider the age of her running mate 2) Obama has longer experience in government than Palin - you are discounting his STATE government experience 3) maybe we should only vote for people who have already been president? Wait you already did that - see how great that turned out?

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