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Stomping Through A Medical Minefield

The author of a new book about autism says exactly what he thinks about vaccines and other hot topics.

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  • Posted By: SuzakuIngolme @ 10/23/2009 9:19:56 PM

    Research:
    Indicator 2.8a: Would you describe [child name]'s Autism or ASD as mild, moderate or severe? (details -- national level data only).

    99.0% never had or currently do not have Autism, Asperger???s, PDD, other ASD.

    0.5% have mild Autism, 0.4%'s Autism is moderate, and only 0.2%'s is severe.

    WHY ARE WE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE AETIOLOGY, WHEN WE COULD MORE EASILY FIND A MEDICINE THAT TAKES SOME OF THE SENSITIVITY (thereby removing the pains that I believe make severe autism severe), SO THAT THEY CAN AT LEAST BE EDUCATED? I know better than to hope for jobs; THOSE chances are 15%.

    http://www.nschdata.org/DataQuery/DataQueryResults.aspx

  • Posted By: karenahaack @ 05/06/2009 11:44:19 PM

    The face of a true pig......I was wondering what this monster looked like. Yes he looks like a child killer to me. Why don't we give him 100,000 doses of gardasil. Well actually imay only take a couple of injections to kill him. How the hell does he look at himself in the mirror. Knowing that he is destroying peoples lives. I think everyone at Merck, The CDC and The FDA should be subjects of their own clinical studies How about it offit. Go Poison yourself.

  • Posted By: neverstopbelieving @ 03/29/2009 12:54:09 AM


    Oh, but what about Bonnie Offit? If she sticks with the "facts" what about the fact that she was on a commerical last summer for Merck promoting Gardasil for BOYS and it is not even FDA approved. Sure, Paul and Bonnie are ONLY trying to help THEMSELVES GET RICH!

  • Posted By: kursivewriting @ 02/19/2009 4:32:23 PM

    Aw, poor Dr. Offit. All that money "like winning the lottery", and no thanks for all the "good" he thinks he is doing! That guy is a scam and should be right there in court along with the pharmaceutical companies once the truth comes to light. There's been no proven negative..... so we keep looking. Educate before you vaccinate.

  • Posted By: daphish13 @ 02/13/2009 10:22:07 AM

    I am not a doctor or lawyer and no one makes money by crusading against Dr. Offit. His problem is self inflicted because he sees black and white in what is most certainly a grey area. There have never been studies done that would completely be able to determine that autism was or was not caused by vaccinations. Furthermore, there is proof that children all over the world have been injured and helped by vaccinations. The reason is simple, people are different and are react differently to their environment. Some babies are clearly able to process what I will euphemistically call "things" that the vaccinations contain, others cannot. Some vacinnations undergoe a very thorough and safe manufacturing process and some do not. All this points to the simple fact that a mandatory vaccination schedule that does not account for these simple facts will continue to injure some children unnecessarily. This is made further frustrating for affected parents by the fact that once a child is injured by a vacinnation, parents options are limited and very expensive and the companies that manufactured them are immune from any penalties, even if they improperly manufactured the vacinnations. I know that there are people who care about kids that believe in vacinnes just as there are people who care about kids that believe there is a better way than the current one. The problem for Dr. Offit is that he doesn't understand this and he is clearly conflicted by the manner in which he advocates for vacinnes while "winning the lottery" at the same time. He cannot claim to be salt of the earth and rake in millions at the same time. If he really wants to advance the cause and bring everyone to a better place he needs to acknowledge parents legitimate issues and decide if he wants to be in medicine or in the pharmaceutical industry. He cant do both.

  • Posted By: westwind @ 01/17/2009 8:34:43 AM

    Interesting...but then he does have an interesting perspective on an industry he revealed to be corrupt in his book, the Cutter Incident. The same hype that covered up deaths from the polio vaccine is being used now. The same splitting of batches so clusters of adverse events and deaths won't be detected, and even statements on the necessity for people to die in the effort to "cover" everyone. But, then again, he is extremely well paid for for getting widely quoted to push a product in ways even the manufacturers do not support. The manufacturers rely on Paul Offit to keep unsuspecting public from reading the actual package insertd. Paul Offit insists everyone should be vaccinated even though the manufacturers say NOT to vaccinate people allergic to any ingredient. Even though vaccine manufacturers say flat out their vaccines have not been studied in select populations, or in combination with other vaccines...nor are they tested for mutagenic effects, especially and particularly the RotaTeq vaccine he developed.

    No, the controversy is not over and WILL not be over as long as "adverse events" are part of the accepted use.

    • Posted By: EKovar @ 01/25/2009 7:50:33 PM

      Autism wasn't described until 1943; you can't have cases of something until it is known to exist. Until the mid-60's most children with autism were 'schizophrenic'; through the 90's usually diagnosis 'retarded'. Meanwhile the official definition of autism keeps getting larger. It's easy: more kids are diagnosed with autism but there aren't more cases.

      Look at the vaccinations. Start with smallpox: 30 out of a hundred people who got it died (another form killed all of them.) The MMR vaccine is for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella.

      Rubella isn't that bad until you're older. And if a woman is pregnant and gets it in the first trimester there's a good chance that she'll have a miscarriage. Even if she doesn't the baby can be born with severe organ damage, especially heart damage. Mumps doesn't cause that many deaths but is very painful. Especially in men past puberty: about 30% of them get extremely painfully swollen testicles, including ejaculating blood. Measles highlights the selfish side of not immunizing. Worldwide it's the leading cause of vaccine preventable childhood mortality. And while the fatality rate is fairly low the problem is that it's so contagious once it gets going you can have many hundreds of cases and the hospitals would be overwhelmed. If a body has a 104 degree fever it drys out. If you can't get a sick baby to drink, it dies. And the lower the number of people who are vaccinated, the higher the chance that there will be an outbreak. This is already happening. But a mother is quoted is quoted as saying that while she knows she's risking other kids she won't have hers vaccinated.

      Some of the other vaccination are for whooping cough, diphtheria and polio. While people are looking things up on the internet they might want to look for photos: measles. Mumps. Rubella. Polio. Whooping cough. Iron lung.

      No, I'm not a doctor, I don't get money from any of this; I'm not a lawyer making big bucks off of lawsuits; have no connections to the drug companies; or any of part of 'The Establishment' or the 'they'. I simply did some basic research: autism diagnosis, childhood vaccines; symptoms and results of those diseases. Oh - 12 of the coauthors of the study that started the whole vaccination scare have since had their names removed from the paper. And Hannah's last name is Poling. Her father, a neurologist, says vaccines are safe for the majority of people.

      • Posted By: EKovar @ 01/25/2009 7:56:25 PM

        Sorry: there was a problem with my log-in and this got posted twice, including once in the wrong place.

  • Posted By: christopherkidwell1 @ 01/18/2009 9:03:21 AM

    Well, there are always going to be 'adverse events' with any drug, westwind. However, they should not be hiding evidence that vaccinations might be connected to autism and other diseases like they have been for a long time in this country.
    I find it telling that before 1930 (when the first widespread vaccine was made available) we had almost NO cases of autism. Fast forward to today, where we have 40 vaccines given to children before the age of 4... and you have to wonder if we are bombarding children's immune systems with too much stuff too fast, or if there might be genetic problems as in the Hannah... I forget her last name case where they have a mitochondrial disorder and the vaccinations ARE the cause of their problems.

    Really, I know one family near where I live who their first 5 children.... not vaccinated because the family couldn't afford it. Their sixth and seventh.... vaccinated, and BOTH turn up with autism..... that cannot just be a coincidence in the slightest. One child..... maybe. Two children who are vaccinated, compared to not much older children who were not, and the older children do NOT have autism? Yeah, there is a connection there somewhere.

    • Posted By: EKovar @ 01/25/2009 7:51:39 PM

      Autism wasn't described until 1943; you can't have cases of something until it is known to exist. Until the mid-60's most children with autism were 'schizophrenic'; through the 90's usually diagnosis 'retarded'. Meanwhile the official definition of autism keeps getting larger. It's easy: more kids are diagnosed with autism but there aren't more cases.

      Look at the vaccinations. Start with smallpox: 30 out of a hundred people who got it died (another form killed all of them.) The MMR vaccine is for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella.

      Rubella isn't that bad until you're older. And if a woman is pregnant and gets it in the first trimester there's a good chance that she'll have a miscarriage. Even if she doesn't the baby can be born with severe organ damage, especially heart damage. Mumps doesn't cause that many deaths but is very painful. Especially in men past puberty: about 30% of them get extremely painfully swollen testicles, including ejaculating blood. Measles highlights the selfish side of not immunizing. Worldwide it's the leading cause of vaccine preventable childhood mortality. And while the fatality rate is fairly low the problem is that it's so contagious once it gets going you can have many hundreds of cases and the hospitals would be overwhelmed. If a body has a 104 degree fever it drys out. If you can't get a sick baby to drink, it dies. And the lower the number of people who are vaccinated, the higher the chance that there will be an outbreak. This is already happening. But a mother is quoted is quoted as saying that while she knows she's risking other kids she won't have hers vaccinated.

      Some of the other vaccination are for whooping cough, diphtheria and polio. While people are looking things up on the internet they might want to look for photos: measles. Mumps. Rubella. Polio. Whooping cough. Iron lung.

      No, I'm not a doctor, I don't get money from any of this; I'm not a lawyer making big bucks off of lawsuits; have no connections to the drug companies; or any of part of 'The Establishment' or the 'they'. I simply did some basic research: autism diagnosis, childhood vaccines; symptoms and results of those diseases. Oh - 12 of the coauthors of the study that started the whole vaccination scare have since had their names removed from the paper. And Hannah's last name is Poling. Her father, a neurologist, says vaccines are safe for the majority of people.

  • Posted By: LKBM @ 01/24/2009 11:55:45 PM

    'It is not easy, however, to trump human experience with science.'

    Science IS human experience, in large quantities, measured objectively. But an individual will often over-value his own experience (or the alleged experience of a celebrity or media celebrity) over that of millions of others. It's stupid and irrational, but that's how it is. That's why irresponsible and scientifically illiterate news coverage is such a problem.

    The powerful thing about science is that if you distrust the source of a study, you can look at the methodology and confirm that it's sound. There's no room for attacks based on who funded a study. That's solely the refuge of someone who can't provide actual evidence to refute the (peer-reviewed and vetted by numerous organizations of differing interests) data and analysis.

    The vaccine's-cause-Ausism movement seem to have convinced a lot of people that the data are on their side--that science backs them up. That's scary, because it takes very little effort to see that's clearly not the case. Somehow, they've also shifted the burden of proof in an absurd manner. Perhaps we should stop wearing glasses until we have irrefutable, conclusive, unfunded (WTF?) studies proving they don't cause asthma?

    Some anti-science like global warming deniers have a few scientifically valid points. Not so with the new McCarthyites. It's astonishing how prevalent this nonsense has become, thanks largely to a few media outlets refusing to do their homework, and a seeming general lack of scientific training in the journalist community (and the public at large).

  • Posted By: christopherkidwell1 @ 01/18/2009 9:05:27 AM

    Also, as to those studies that Dr. Offit mentions.... almost ALL of them were supported by funds from the pharmaceutical industry.... so I don't believe them! Until they get that money connection (which could be used to coerce the people doing the study to change the results, which has been PROVEN to have been done with some studies)...... I'm not going to trust those studies, and no one else should either.

  • Posted By: Stargazer1973 @ 10/27/2008 2:03:13 AM

    And what of the children who delayed their shots until well after this "crucial time" of changes... say 2 or 3 and then had seizures, high temperatures, and were then diagnosed as autistic within 6 months of that first shot...they were normal before that. I have the proof on video of the before, and I live with the proof of the after.

    • Posted By: suziweav @ 10/28/2008 3:00:34 PM

      What is the evidence that the shots caused the seizures; versus epilepsy, febrile seizures, toxic ingestion, a cyst or tumor or lesion, etc etc. There are many seizure disorders, not all of them well known. I am sad about your child's condition but there is absolutely no proof it was connected to the shots. In fact you even admit it was months after the shots.

      • Posted By: Stargazer1973 @ 11/25/2008 3:25:17 AM

        diagnosis was months after, seizures and the changes began within three days. I think video proof is sufficient of exactly what happened. thank you very much.

  • Posted By: starwatcher777 @ 10/30/2008 2:11:39 PM

    I believe I have heard Mercury is a nuero-toxin, so seeing some studies to see if the small doses of mercury in certain vaccinations is harmful is probably worth looking at. That being said, the conditions you are being vaccinated against are proven threats that have killed tens of millions of people. Mercury free vaccination's would be preferable, but if that is not feasible, its just a chance we as a society will have to take.

    On another note, why is there a growing trend in America to not defer to the experts?

    Have you listened to that McCarthy women? All her arguments against vaccinations are full of illogical superstitions and heresay.

    Anyone that puts her on the same level as M.D.'s need their head examined.

    • Posted By: sonya1961 @ 10/30/2008 4:31:11 PM

      I have said it before, you do not "cure" Autism. You teach your child how to deal with situations that gives him anxeity. My son is 22 and in college. We take each day as it comes. If jenny M. thinks she has "cured" her son, I would guess he probably never had it to begin with. She is dong a disservice to parents of children with Autism. I always belive there is hope, but giving false hope is cruel. I am glad I have an Autisic child rather than a child that died from a disease that could have een prevented.

      • Posted By: Nicksmomtx @ 11/22/2008 4:32:16 PM

        More and more research is showing there are different forms of autism as well as different causes which is making it that much harder to study. There are common threads, but some children get better. For children who regressed and suffered health problems, there seems to be more anecdotal evidence that they can get better. The younger a child is treated, the better their long-term prognosis as well. I am not standing up for Jenny McCarthy. I hear stories from parents all the time. My son is far from losing his diagnosis but he has gotten better through biomedical intervention. He's improved enough that my regular "mainstream" pediatrician has taken notice. And we've only taken baby steps in treating him so far. He'll be four in January. For what it's worth, that's my experience. And there is no question that his autism diagnosis is accurate. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

    • Posted By: Nicksmomtx @ 11/22/2008 4:25:57 PM

      Doctors are admitting they know little to nothing about autism and not just causation. They are turning to parents for their education because the AAP provides them with little.

      Patients turn to public information because their doctors do not give them much whether due to lack of time, interest, or knowledge. There is a wealth of accurate information available online from medical institutions and journals. We are better educated consumers today in general. We also distrust certain medical professionals and organizations because this ease of information flow has brought it to our attention that they are sometimes intentionally deceitful and downright dishonest to protect what they deem most important (sometimes public health scares and sometimes $$$). Consumers and parents would rather have ALL of the information to make an informed decision rather than take the doctor's recommendation as gospel as we once did.

    • Posted By: mato4 @ 11/06/2008 7:27:28 PM

      Keep watching the stars, starwatcher-- newsflash-- there are no health experts anymore. The average med school spends less than 4 hours on nutrition. You want to tell me you trust your child's health to someone who puts chemicals over basic nutrients??

  • Posted By: TheDieHard @ 11/20/2008 10:42:56 AM

    Autism is genetic. If your "happy, healthy" baby started going downhill after a vaccination, it might have been the stress of taking the kid to get a shot that triggered the deterioration, but the kid got the bad genes from YOU.

    If you'd rather watch your kid choke to death from diphtheria, or swell up and die raving from a brain fever resulting from measles or chickenpox, or live in a powered wheelchair forever from polio, then be my guest, but your unvaccinated brat is NOT coming to play or be in school with MY children. My neighbor's 8-year-old gave everyone in his school chickenpox because his idiot parents "didn't believe" in vaccines. Fortunately, the idiots' brat was the only one who died.

    • Posted By: Nicksmomtx @ 11/22/2008 4:13:08 PM

      You think that autism is caused by one crying fit that ends when soothed in mother's arms? That doesn't sound very scientific and it's certainly not based on anything in reality. You obviously don't know anything about autism and it's far reaching affects on a child and family nor how real this epidemic is in our country. I am in favor of a safer vaccine schedule. I'd rather space them out and limit the toxins that have not been proven safe together than to do none at all. For a child to die of chickenpox, there are are probably underlying health issues - which was probably why they abstained from the vaccine in the first place. For the rest of the children to get the chickenpox, that's one more example of how vaccines do not all work as intended.

  • Posted By: Nicksmomtx @ 11/22/2008 4:03:20 PM

    Dr. Offit does selective research. That's what it comes down to. If I want to get a study with results that says the sky is red and the ocean is yellow, I can tweak a study that way. There is too much influence and bias in most of the studies because everyone sets out to prove that vaccines are indeed safe. I still have not seen a study that shows that the entire CDC vaccination schedule is safe for infants and toddlers. Why does the public not deserve at least that much instead of accusatory remarks for trying to protect the worlds' children? Some cases of autism are caused by vaccines and some are not. Let's figure this out already and stop hurting children as a result of our desire for easy, convenient solutions for everything in our modern lifestyles.

  • Posted By: nhokkanen @ 11/21/2008 1:33:15 PM

    Children injured by vaccines are left to twist slowly in the wind. The CDC offers no medical treatments, no research into vaccine injury prevention. No doctors come to your home and examine your child. Instead you're told that regression and illness after shots is a coincidence.

    So parents see their children hurting and start reading hours a day. They become educated about immunology, biochemistry, physiology, nutrition. They find some progressive physicians and try antivirals, nutritional supplements, anti-inflammatories, chelation -- and they watch their children get better. Again, they're told by mainstream medicine, i.e. vaccine sellers, that this is merely coincidence.

    The more that parents read, they learn that the CDC's highly vaunted epidemiology is tainted by skewed statistics ordered by people who've left an incriminating trail of FOIA documents (www dot PutChildrenFirst dot org). They see the financial intertwining of pharmaceuticals and physicians' trade organizations, such as the American Academy of Pediatrics.

    Ultimately, though, parents sadly see that the many good people networked in health care professions are not thinking outside the box. They hurriedly read the same CDC bullet points from press releases, and hope that someone further up the information chain is doing his or her job. If only they'd look... they'd see that no one is.

    It should not be so difficult to get good people to listen to parents' vaccine injury reports. People who administer vaccines must stop being mesmerized by the mantra "the risks outweigh the benefits." Each "risk" is equivalent to an injured child.

    The number of injured children is increasing. The myriad costs are rising exponentially. Our nation's economy cannot support this, much less individual families already stressed -- some to the breaking point (e.g. Ryan & Kyle Dutter).

    The problem is not that autism is a mystery -- the problem is that most people don't like the answer. A product intended to improve health is having the opposite effect in many children.

    Why won't the CDC listen to this reasonable statement, and learn why vaccine injury occurs so it can be prevented?

  • Posted By: jstepp590 @ 11/20/2008 6:06:23 PM

    Here is a wonderful article on theis topic.

    http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/thimerosal.php

  • Posted By: jstepp590 @ 11/20/2008 4:12:08 PM

    Oops, couple corrections. I did this from memory. The correct spelling is thimerosal and it is ethylmercury, not methylmercury. Sorry!

  • Posted By: jstepp590 @ 11/20/2008 3:48:42 PM

    Autism isn't genetic. There was never a case of it before the 1940's, after hundreds of years of medical science. If it were genetic it would have shown up before then. However, people???s reaction to mercury is and anyone who looks at the toxicity tables for symptoms to mercury poisoning will see that they are almost a perfect match for autism and to a smaller extent ADHD.

    Thimerasol is mercury. It was put in vaccines from the 1930's until 2002. There is a correlation in the abrupt increase in autism starting in the 1970's when the number of vaccines children receive was doubled by the government. There is nothing on the EPA website for toxicity levels for methyl mercury (Thimerasol) but for ethyl mercury it has been shown that children were receiving far higher levels than was safely recommended and that was before the EPA reduced their guidelines by half recently. When you tie that in to the levels of mercury already spewed into our environment by dirty coal plants (billions of tons every year, to the point where mercury warnings were implemented for fishermen and pregnant women) it is entirely possible that the chemicals used as preservatives in these multi dose vaccines did play a part. Statistical correlations put it high on the list of things to research.

    Besides, how do you test for this exactly? You test things in vitro and in utero, meaning in a petri dish and with animal studies. How do you tell if a mouse has ADHD? Like to see it. The point is that this is something that parents need to be aware of. There are alternative vaccines that do not contain Thimerasol and should be aware of them and ask for them. I personally do not believe it is the vaccine itself that causes the problem but the preservatives used in it to kill off any contaminating biological organisms.

    The truth is that there is no safe level of mercury to inject into a child???s bloodstream, period. Mercury has been known as a toxic and poisonous heavy metal for hundreds of years and parents should be aware of it when they get their government mandated shots. That way they are informed enough to ask for mercury free vaccines and flu shots. Ask your doctor.

  • Posted By: londoncalling @ 11/19/2008 12:02:28 PM

    Brianna88,

    Of course Offit means antigens but he deliberately uses the word vaccines. I believe he does this so parents will think giving 9 different vaccines in one visit is A-OK. Imagine, 10,000 x the aluminum, thimerosal, MSG and all the other ingredients in vaccines. My son could not withstand the onslaught of the DTaP, MMR, Hib and Polio that he had in one visit. 10,000 of anything? As if! And what exactly would Paul Offit know about treating children with autism? He should stick to what he knows.

  • Posted By: ASD/PDDMommy @ 11/19/2008 12:00:20 PM

    For pete's sake man, we don't threaten your life. I think your dung, but I don't want to kill you. I think your a liar, but I don't think you deserve to die. Now get it right. The Green Vaccine Movement is not about killing Dr. Paul Offit. Just shut your mouth, stop talking, we are not listening. The protesters are non violent. I have'nt heard of anyone taking a weapon to these protests. We are just concerned parents who want our voices heard. Stop calling us stupid. Stop saying we don't understand science. That we are mistaken. Well, if you had a child like thousands of us do, and you had to watch them, you would know the pain, and suffering of these children.You would understand the science of passion to find out whta is causing this reaction. We are not just pointing fingers at you to make your life miserable. We raelly believe there is something to what we are saying Instaed of tearing us down, help us build up our children. Stop. stop. stop, and think about what your doing before you continue to slander us.

  • Posted By: Childrenfirst @ 11/19/2008 11:20:26 AM

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18762240
    According to this study, and the package insert to Rotateq.
    Paul Offits vaccine should not even be used in autistic children!

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