Stomping Through A Medical Minefield

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  • Posted By: gemmahb @ 10/27/2008 11:52:53 AM

    okay i thought i would let you know about what happened in England in an area known as Kirklees i forfet the proper spelling but it is where my sister lives. in the year 1999 a new vaccine for measles mumps and rubella came on the market and kirklees was the first area to use it. that year my sisters son (1of 4 in the end) was one of the first to recieve it. that year autism rose over 300% for that area and the vaccine was imediatly removed from the market and that child 1 of 4 sons was the only one to get autism. it was removed due to the high levels of mercury.

  • Posted By: AApple @ 10/27/2008 11:23:34 AM

    Useyournoggin,
    Amen, regarding your comments on stress.

  • Posted By: AApple @ 10/27/2008 11:21:38 AM

    I'm absolutely certain the vaccines cause the autism. We are between a rock and a hard place. We want to do the right thing. We spend hours researching the literature, combing the internet, polling our friends and listening to our doctors. We want our children to be healthy, and the "experts" tell us we need the vaccine. Yet, vaccine has the opposite effect, and we are left with a child who doesn???t respond to the world around him in a normal way. It's a difficult situation. Hard for any of us to navigate safely. I understand many children with autism can be taught to function normally, but a great deal of effort is required. I applaud those parents who make the effort and help the child overcome the obsticles that life has put in his path.

  • Posted By: useyournoggin @ 10/27/2008 8:28:40 AM

    Get away from autism for a minute and look at the health of our kids in general. With all of the protection from disease that our kids are offered via vaccination AND considering the fact that we spend more money, per capita, on healthcare than any other country in the world, we should have the HEALTHIEST kids in the world. Would you expect anything less from our amazing doctors? Yet just this year we sank even further and the World Health Organization ranked the U.S. 29th in infant mortality. Therefore, if you want your newborn child to increase the chance they will survive past his/her first birthday you can choose 28 other countries to live in and have a greater chance. Amazing. We are doing something to our babies that is hurting them more than helping them. Wait, I know, it is putting them to sleep on their bellies. Dumb, dumb parent. If you want to improve cardiovascular function you need to STRESS the heart, if you want bones to be stronger you need to STRESS them with weight bearing exercise, if you want to improve respiratory function you need to STRESS the lungs to watch them improve. The same holds true for the immune system. If you want your kids to be healthier you need to stress the immune system and let them get sick. Unfortunately common sense in health care is not that common. Silly doctors, when you start keeping our kids healthy with your methods that is when I will subject my kids to your "treatments."

  • Posted By: colinml @ 10/26/2008 7:11:25 PM

    Two thoughts:

    1. Many parents who opt out of vaccines, or employ a modified schedule, refer to the risk to their own children, but ignore the risk this creates for pregnant women and infants who have not yet developed enough immunity and/or are still too young to recieve a particular vaccine. You do have the right to ignore ample evidence that there is no connection between vaccines and autism, but you don't have the right to place other people's children in danger.

    2. The anecdotal evidence seems to rely upon the observation that autism begins when vaccines begin. While this might seem compelling for those flailing about for answers, the fact that events occur together do not imply that they are cause/effect. People used to believe that sacrificing virgins contributed to nive weather for crops.

    While I sympathize with the horror of having a sick child, there is simply no reason to believe that vaccines are responsible. If there were even the slightest bit of repeatable evidence, I would whole-heartedly encourage immediate action. But there just isn't. And the benefit of vaccination is immense. The data is overwhelming Vaccines have saved millions of lives, and prevented suffering on a massive scale. Some of the diseases we vaccinate for in the US are still prevelant elsewhere in the world.

    • Posted By: sdtech @ 10/27/2008 3:49:44 AM

      read Geier and Geier, Response to Comments by JR Mann, Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine, 2003 at http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/reprint/228/9/993.pdf .omment

  • Posted By: abbygail825 @ 10/26/2008 8:32:38 PM

    I do not understand the argument that vaccines cause Autism, if vaccines caused Autism then why are we seeing a spike in the amount of children diagnosed? It's true that one reason it is being diagnosed more often is the advanced knowledge of the syndrome. However, why is it that we are seeing such a high rate over a few years ago? Many of these vaccines have been around for years and only recently has the rate of Autism spiked. If we do not vaccinate children we are opening ourselves up for the diseases that we irraticated to come back in full force and override the vaccinations that have been administered and open us up for a huge epidemic.

    I will vaccinate my children when I have them. I did not have a problem and neither did a majority of other children. It will take some really hard evidence over suspicion to convince me that vaccinations lead to Autism. The levels of Mercury and other components are well within the guidelines for normal levels of exposure. If you are this paranoid about Mercury and other components do not drink water whether it is bottled or tap water since the Bush administation upped the levels that are ok in water and food.

    • Posted By: sdtech @ 10/27/2008 3:47:03 AM

      Please read Geier and Geier, Response to Comments by JR Mann, Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine, 2003 at http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/reprint/228/9/993.pdf .

  • Posted By: Magnolialabelle @ 10/26/2008 7:02:32 PM

    I work with children. I have for nearly 30 years. I've seen children with genuine autistic behavior, however I am seeing a trend w/ some middle class to upper-class parents who are convinced their child suffers from autism when poor parenting skills seem to really be the blame (misplaced or seemingly non-existant rewards-and-punishments). Having your unruly child labeled as autistic seems to be the current nuevo-trend for the 2010 era just like having an unruly child labeled with ADHD was in the 1990's.

    • Posted By: miraidebbie @ 10/27/2008 2:59:43 AM

      I work in a pharmacy and while we see more of the ADHD kids whose parents pay no attention to them and gab on their cellphones while the kid sits there like a zombie, I do think that this accounts for some of the increase in incidence.

    • Posted By: rpearlston @ 10/26/2008 9:13:27 PM

      BRAVO!!!

    • Posted By: blogster99 @ 10/26/2008 8:28:09 PM

      Adventis, the French manufacturer who produces vaccines containing thimerosal for us, does not put mercury into the vaccines for French usage. It seems that French law forbids its use.

  • Posted By: Rserp1 @ 10/27/2008 2:11:42 AM

    Dr. Paul Offit, sounds like a man who has lived his life to helping children. Not hurting them. What I hear is frustration and lack of education from parents with children that have autism. I myself have 6 children. 1 confirmed case of Autism and 3 suspected. Do I believe that any of them got autism from vaccines? No.
    Do I think it has something to do with the enviroment? yes.
    Do I think it is something I could have passed onto my kids through my genes? yes.
    I can go into a lab and have my DNA checked and they can go through and tell me everything that has been introduced into my system from birth. Stuff that my Genes still carry with me to this day. Like when I was a kid and they sprayed neighborhoods for killing mosquitoes using DDT. They sprayed that stuff rolling through your neiborhood on trucks like they were trying to put out a fire. You couldn't help but breath it in or be soaked by it. It was later to be found out it is toxic and DDT is not used anymore. But you can still find traces of DDT in your system from the 60's and 70's even today. So what does that tell you? It tells me that anything that enters your body has a chance of still being there. Bill Clinton said he didn't inhale. Put it to the test pres. If he did it is still floating around in his genes. Alcohol. You bet. The thing is we did it to ourselves and now our children are paying for it. That is how I think Autism came about. It could be in the food we eat? The Air we breath? The Water we drink? I think it is all because the enviorment we made and it is catching up to us.
    Don't blame Dr. Offit. He may one day find a vaccine for it? You never know.

  • Posted By: rmar778 @ 10/27/2008 12:11:49 AM

    people who don't immunize their kids are f*ckin' RETARDED. What kind of junk shamanism are they practicing? They need to BAN all KIDS from any social setting for not getting vaccinations. Stupid parents putting their kids at risk should be jailed and fined. Stupid retards.

  • Posted By: gottaluvit58 @ 10/26/2008 11:42:23 PM

    I know a lot of providers routinely recommend acetaminophen after "shots". I wonder if this has ever been investigated. I think acetaminophen is probably overused. Really not recommended except for high fevers.

  • Posted By: gottaluvit58 @ 10/26/2008 10:12:39 PM

    I have given thousands of vaccines. There might actually be some vaccine connection to behavior disturbances. I have noticed a cultural difference in the way parents behave when their children are vaccinated. Hispanic parents seem to be very business-like about the whole affair, whereas Caucasian parents seem to very very emotional. Personally I think it's related to all of the caffeine consumed by the parents. My theory is that excessive caffeine consumption by the parents causes behavior problems in the parents, which the children react to by withdrawing. Just a theory.

    • Posted By: happykids @ 10/26/2008 10:52:01 PM

      That is one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read. It is clearly scientically based, however you slight far too many ethnicities to provide an adequate sampling. If you are in fact a physician, may I suggest you go ........sedate yourself.

  • Posted By: losaltos @ 10/26/2008 12:57:34 PM

    The Thimerosal autism debate has gone on for a long time. Dr. Offit keeps railing agianst those unfortunate mothers who know that their child was harmed by mercury. Dr. Offit would be in a unique position to stop the argument by findin a different preservative than the known neurotoxin Thimerosal. I find it incredible that he has not done anything about it. His scientific expertise could put the argument to rest. The fact that he has done nothing about truly getting rid of injected mercury, indicates to me that he must have a stake in retaining mercury in vaccine. What is his stake?

    • Posted By: dls1975 @ 10/26/2008 6:28:47 PM

      Thiomerosal is no longer in vaccines and has not been present in them for quite some time. The argument that used to be made is no longer valid, so now the argument has changed that it is now the # of vaccines that is causing autism.
      As a pediatrician I am seeing more and more families choosing not to vaccinate their children. Unfortunately we are going to see major outbreaks of preventable diseases over the next 10 years. It is going to take the resurrgence of some these diseases in order to prove the importance of vaccinations. The down side of preventative medicine is that when it works well, like vaccines have, people become complacent.
      We all want the same thing for the next generation...to keep them safe and healthy. As a parent and a pediatrician I strongly feel that vaccines are the single most imporant thing we do to keep them safe from infection. I don't know one pediatrician who doesn't vaccinate their child, does anyone think that we would put our own children at risk if we didn't firmly believe in the benefits of vaccines?

      • Posted By: cdwiegand @ 10/26/2008 9:25:54 PM

        Wrong: Thimerosal is still in flu vaccines, including the one that they recommend to all children. And in my area (metro Denver) the thimerosal-free version is not available.

        • Posted By: dls1975 @ 10/26/2008 10:47:32 PM

          Try flumist, it's a better vaccine and no thiomerosal. You are correct, some of the flu vaccines do have thiomersal, but the standard vaccines for children no longer contain this preservative.

  • Posted By: sonya1961 @ 10/26/2008 10:12:28 PM

    As I read the comments I amazed the vennom of some commets. My son is 22 years old and was diagnosed at 2 years of age. At that time Autism was an unknown disease. I struggled on y own trying to figure out what to do. I could not tell yu if it was the shots or not. Parents that have been struggling alone for many years probably have different perspectives than most. I was told that my son would never be able to go to school and that he would be instutionalized before he wa an adult. He is now a senior in college and lives in the dorm during the week to feel like he has some independance. He still does not have any friends and only talks to people when it is absolutley has to. I would not change anything that I have done as a parent. I am not angry when people do not agree with me. I am too busy trying to get my son through college and making him a functioning citizen of society. I would rather have my son like he is than risk him dying from a preventable disease. Every parent mut read, research and make a educational choice about whether giving their child the shots or not.

  • Posted By: sonya1961 @ 10/26/2008 9:59:58 PM

    My son is 22 years old and was diagnosised when he was 2 years old. At that time Autism was an unknown disease. I do not know if the shots caused Autim or not. All I do now is when the celebrities are now comeing out and saying they have cured their child of Autism, which means your child never had Autism. You don't "cure" an Autistic child. You help him learn what to do in situations that causes him anxeity. My son is a Senior in college. He still does not have any friends but he lives in the dorm so he can feel independant. I love my child very much even with all the struggles we get through it one issue at a time. I would rather have my son like he is than risk him dying unnecessaryly from a diesease that could have been prevented by a vaccination.

  • Posted By: JimFromSD @ 10/26/2008 9:56:39 PM

    Vaccines are not 100% effective. Not everyone develops immunity. Vaccination creates a "herd immunity" which prevents the spread of disease through a population. By some not vaccinating their children, this population immunity is weakened and can result in others getting infected. As Amanda Peet stated, these people who do not get their children vaccinated are parasites. Vaccinate your children people.

  • Posted By: Teniel @ 10/26/2008 9:51:39 PM

    I do not think that parents fears about vacccines should be ignored. We need careful researc to look at all of the factors that might be linked to Autism. However it is difficult to imagine a world that did not have vaccines millions of children died from polio and diptheria and the scourge of small pox. Many of these disease have been eradicated because of vaccination. My own mother had polio and she had siblings that died from influenza. Good

  • Posted By: qtfoot @ 10/26/2008 6:36:04 PM

    Vaccines come from China and other foreign countries and as we all know , the FDA does no testing and testing is left up to the manufacturer. Merk is not a reliable company therefore I do not trust them/

    • Posted By: rpearlston @ 10/26/2008 9:12:46 PM

      How can anyone be so very poorly informed these days? Vaccines are manufactured in the US, in Canada and in much of western Europe, among other places, and they are manufacutrewd in more than sufficient quantities to meet the domestic needs in these countries and still allow for vaccines to be exported to third world countries or, as happened last year with the flu vaccine, to other vaccine producing companies that have had production line problems.

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